Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Parts of the U.S. Some states have no sales tax, IIRC.

The only place I shopped where they had no sales tax, was Delaware. The
other no-sales-tax states are Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon.
This may have changed.

Becca

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:49:58 -0500, Becca > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Parts of the U.S. Some states have no sales tax, IIRC.
>
>The only place I shopped where they had no sales tax, was Delaware. The
>other no-sales-tax states are Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon.
>This may have changed.
>
>Becca

There is no sales tax on food in California and New Mexico, I know.
Everything else is has a sales tax attached..

Not sure of other states.

Christine

"Christine Dabney" > wrote

> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:49:58 -0500, Becca > wrote:
>
>>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> Parts of the U.S. Some states have no sales tax, IIRC.
>>
>>The only place I shopped where they had no sales tax, was Delaware. The
>>other no-sales-tax states are Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon.
>>This may have changed.

> There is no sales tax on food in California and New Mexico, I know.

Nor in New Jersey. As it should be, in my opinion. Also no sales
tax on clothing.

nancy

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:49:58 -0500, Becca > wrote:
>
>>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> Parts of the U.S. Some states have no sales tax, IIRC.
>>
>>The only place I shopped where they had no sales tax, was Delaware. The
>>other no-sales-tax states are Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon.
>>This may have changed.
>>
>>Becca
>
> There is no sales tax on food in California and New Mexico, I know.
> Everything else is has a sales tax attached..
>
> Not sure of other states.

Florida doesn't have sales tax on food, except prepared foods (restaurants,
etc.)

BOB

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Nor in New Jersey. As it should be, in my opinion. Also no sales
> tax on clothing.


That's the way it is in Massachusetts as well. Also, fabric and
supplies for making clothing aren't taxed, nor are seeds for growing
food. If I buy beautiful colored fabric and tell the cashier that I
plan to use it to make a quilt, it is taxed. If I tell the cashier that
I plan to make a skirt, it isn't taxed. Fancy buttons and beads can run
pretty expensive. If I say they're for an evening gown, no tax. If I
say they're for a fabric art creation to go on the wall, tax. I make an
effort towards honesty, but I don't always know what I'm using the
sewing supplies for when I buy them. I certainly can't promise that
every bit of thread on the spool will go in a shirt rather than a quilt.
When I buy seeds in the spring, they have to go in 2 stacks. The
beans aren't taxed. The zinnia seeds are.


--Lia

Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:49:58 -0500, Becca > wrote:
>
> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> Parts of the U.S. Some states have no sales tax, IIRC.
> >
> >The only place I shopped where they had no sales tax, was Delaware. The
> >other no-sales-tax states are Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon.
> >This may have changed.
> >
> >Becca
>
> There is no sales tax on food in California and New Mexico, I know.
> Everything else is has a sales tax attached..
>
> Not sure of other states.
>
> Christine

Illinois has a 1% sales tax for (most) food items, but then that just
all depends, I think. There are various levels of sales taxes (in
Illinois). The sales tax on liquor, wine, and beer, not to mention
cigarettes, is typically a lot higher than non-food stuff like laundry
detergent, celophane wrap, and other consumer goods.

And on top of that, even some townships add their own sales taxes, etc.
Plus the restaurants might also have additional an additional tax on top
of regular sales tax too! Go figure. What's that saying - only two
things are certain in life - death and taxes - only too true.

Sky

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In article >,
Becca > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > We picked some Muscadine grapes off of our vines over the weekend.
> >
> > They are ready to pick normally around the first of August. I was
> > letting the birds have them but dad wanted to juice a few.
> >
> > I saw ripe grapes the 3rd week in July this year.
> >
> > If it was not for all the rain, they'd have long been raisins by now.
>
> My mother would make muscadine jelly, so I would climb trees to pick the
> muscadines. When I was a kid, I could hang on the vines, they were so
> strong. I was also a small kid.
>
> Becca

Heh! Some of my Muscadine vines on the fence are up to 3" in diameter.
My mom used to make Muscadine Jelly too. If Jelly were something that I
ate on a regular basis any more, I might make it too.

I have considered juicing them and trying to make wine with them tho'.
They would need some added sugar.

I planted the vines for fence cover. Now they are trying to take over
the world! They have grown up into some of the back trees but I like the
way that looks.

We prune the ones on the fence every year or as needed.
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In article >,
Christine Dabney > wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:49:58 -0500, Becca > wrote:
>
> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >> Parts of the U.S. Some states have no sales tax, IIRC.
> >
> >The only place I shopped where they had no sales tax, was Delaware. The
> >other no-sales-tax states are Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon.
> >This may have changed.
> >
> >Becca
>
> There is no sales tax on food in California and New Mexico, I know.
> Everything else is has a sales tax attached..
>
> Not sure of other states.
>
> Christine

Same in Texas.
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"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:49:58 -0500, Becca > wrote:
>
>>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> Parts of the U.S. Some states have no sales tax, IIRC.
>>
>>The only place I shopped where they had no sales tax, was Delaware. The
>>other no-sales-tax states are Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon.
>>This may have changed.
>>
>>Becca
>
> There is no sales tax on food in California and New Mexico, I know.
> Everything else is has a sales tax attached..
>
> Not sure of other states.
>
> Christine

http://www.taxadmin.org/FTA/rate/sales.html
is a list of the states' sales taxes and their food sales taxes.
Dee Dee

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:44:25 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
>Vote now! (or not)
>
>Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>
>p.s. you may need this link to answer one of his questions:
>
>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/cvtcurrency.html

I'm amazed at how many people say they spend less than $200 a month on
groceries... did they misread the question and think it was per WEEK?!
We're doing incredibly well if we spend $100 a week for two people...

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:19:15 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>Julia Altshuler wrote:
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>
>>
>> This is an interesting question because it forces me to think about an
>> entire food budget. Normally, I think of the money spent at the
>> supermarket as the normal food budget, the money spent at restaurants as
>> coming from the entertainment budget, and the money spent at farmer's
>> markets and organic shops as coming from the luxuries budget.
>>
>
>I must admit I didn't think about money spent at restaurants - Terry did
>say 'grocery shopping' so I didn't 'calculate' that into my vote - but
>you may have a point. I don't consider money spent at specialty stores
>as a "luxury"; but then, I am a sucker when it comes to buying
>food-stuffs - if it's good, I'll buy it. I'd rather do without something
>else

If we buy it at the grocery store, I counted it in the total... if you
left out the cleaning products etc it would take a whack off the
total, but you still have to buy them somewhere!

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:50:38 -0400, Karen AKA Kajikit
> wrote:


>I'm amazed at how many people say they spend less than $200 a month on
>groceries... did they misread the question and think it was per WEEK?!
>We're doing incredibly well if we spend $100 a week for two people...

I spend less than $200/month on groceries. I budget carefully, and
shop sales, buying many things only when they are on sale. I buy
produce only in season, and again, read the circulars carefully. I
don't buy many processed foods and I make almost everything from
scratch myself.

I budget about $40/week on groceries. That doesn't include wine
though..I have a separate budget for that.

Christine

"Karen AKA Kajikit" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:44:25 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>
>>Vote now! (or not)
>>
>>Thanks go to Terry (P'rfesser) for sending in this survey.
>>
>>p.s. you may need this link to answer one of his questions:
>>
>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/cvtcurrency.html
>
> I'm amazed at how many people say they spend less than $200 a month on
> groceries... did they misread the question and think it was per WEEK?!
> We're doing incredibly well if we spend $100 a week for two people...

I don't think I've ever spent that much for just one weeks groceries for the
two of us. That much in groceries lasts at least a week and a half and
usually at least two. Even when Rainier cherries were 7 bucks a pound I
didn't spend more than 75 bucks for a week's groceries.

Ms P

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
news
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:50:38 -0400, Karen AKA Kajikit
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I'm amazed at how many people say they spend less than $200 a month on
>>groceries... did they misread the question and think it was per WEEK?!
>>We're doing incredibly well if we spend $100 a week for two people...
>
> I spend less than $200/month on groceries. I budget carefully, and
> shop sales, buying many things only when they are on sale. I buy
> produce only in season, and again, read the circulars carefully. I
> don't buy many processed foods and I make almost everything from
> scratch myself.
>
> I budget about $40/week on groceries. That doesn't include wine
> though..I have a separate budget for that.
>
> Christine

My grocery/supermarket budget gets separated into all sorts of things; but
one of those categories is wine. Another is candy. Another is beer.
Another is coffee, now that I am going back to coffee in a short while.

These to me aren't essential for growth and maintenance.
Dee Dee

On Sep 11, 11:59?am, Julia Altshuler > wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
> > What non-food items would someone buy in a grocery store? I can't think of
> > anything. May I ask what your observations have been?
>
> The non-food items that I regularly buy at the supermarket/grocery store
> include:
>
> aluminum foil
> dish soap
> dishwasher detergent
> dog biscuits
> dog food- dry kibble
> kleenex
> laundry detergent
> newspaper
> paper towels
> plastic garbage bags
> plastic wrap
> sanitary supplies
> shampoo
> soap
> sponges
> toilet paper.
>
> I suppose, if you want to get technical, the dog food is still a food
> product. There are probably a dozen more, but those came to mind.
>
> --Lia

I wouldn't even entertain such an ignoranus request as a list of non
food items sold at and folks regularly purchase from stupidmarkets.
Most full carts of what appears to be a weekly shopping that I peer
into contains a far greater dollar amount in non foods than foods.
The average stupidmarket has two full aisles just for things sold at
the drugstore, from asperin, to hair dye, to nail enamel, to shoe
inserts, to panty hose, to shaving stuff, and a ton of vitamin and
herbal snake oils, you name it... things just for teeth is an amazing
array My stupidmarket has both sides of a full aisle just for
greeting cards, another aisle for car products, another for housewares
of every sort from stirring spoons to full sets of pots and
dinnerware, another just for disposable paper and plastic products,
another for laundry products, another for hardware, and another huge
aisleful of just room deodorisers of every imaginable configuration
and scent, from delicately scented candles, to lovely light sented
undies drawer pomanders, to industrial aroma killer dago terlit
spritzers. Folks buy all the seasonals too, from plants, seeds, to
decorations for every holiday.... they sell x-mas trees, real and
fake... all summer they sell patio/lawn funiture, hammocks, wind
chimes, bird houses, even grills (with briquettes, lump, and propane
refills)... and an entire aisle just for small electrical appliances,
from toasters to mixers, to TVs. I've seen folks drop over $100 at
the checkout just in scratch n' sniffle lottery thingies... and in NY
they don't (just beer) but in many states stupidmarkets sell wine and
hard licker... is $50/liter scotch considered food... I think in TN
they call it the moonshine aisle.

Actually there's relatively very little food sold at stupidmarkets...
most profits by far come from non food items.

Sheldon

On Sep 11, 12:15?pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article . com>,
>
> Sheldon > wrote:
> > >From my observation I think the typical stupidmarket shopping cart
> > contains a higher dollar amount of non food items. And many
> > households spend a significan't amount on pet food and pet supplies.
>
> > Sheldon
>
> We spend a lot more on the pets than we do ourselves. ;-)

I'm pretty sure I do too.. just last night I decided I'm not cooking
so I slapped together a quick tuna salad... always gotta open three
cans, two for the greedy six and just one for me... and don't think
they're not after mine either... if Dyson can build a vacuum cleaner
that sucks better than six cats can inhale tuna they'd really have
something.

Sheldon Kist

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:54:58 -0600, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:49:58 -0500, Becca > wrote:
>
>>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> Parts of the U.S. Some states have no sales tax, IIRC.
>>
>>The only place I shopped where they had no sales tax, was Delaware. The
>>other no-sales-tax states are Alaska, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon.
>>This may have changed.
>>
>>Becca
>
>There is no sales tax on food in California and New Mexico, I know.
>Everything else is has a sales tax attached..
>
>Not sure of other states.
>
>Christine

in maryland, food items are not taxed, except for prepared foods
(rotisserie chicken and the like).

your pal,
blake

Sheldon said...

> On Sep 11, 12:15?pm, Omelet > wrote:
>> In article . com>,
>>
>> Sheldon > wrote:
>> > >From my observation I think the typical stupidmarket shopping cart
>> > contains a higher dollar amount of non food items. And many
>> > households spend a significan't amount on pet food and pet supplies.
>>
>> > Sheldon
>>
>> We spend a lot more on the pets than we do ourselves. ;-)
>
> I'm pretty sure I do too.. just last night I decided I'm not cooking
> so I slapped together a quick tuna salad... always gotta open three
> cans, two for the greedy six and just one for me... and don't think
> they're not after mine either... if Dyson can build a vacuum cleaner
> that sucks better than six cats can inhale tuna they'd really have
> something.
>
> Sheldon Kist


You should know better than giving your cats real tuna!!!

http://www.lenhumanesoc.org/Tips/ASPCA-Tuna.htm

Andy

Sheldon wrote:
> On Sep 11, 11:59?am, Julia Altshuler > wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> What non-food items would someone buy in a grocery store? I can't
>>> think of anything. May I ask what your observations have been?
>>
>> The non-food items that I regularly buy at the supermarket/grocery
>> store include:
>>
>> aluminum foil
>> dish soap
>> dishwasher detergent
(snip)

I buy those things and most other non-food items at the dollar store, not
the grocery store.

> I wouldn't even entertain such an ignoranus request as a list of non
> food items sold at and folks regularly purchase from stupidmarkets.

But you are entertaining it, aren't you?

> in many states stupidmarkets sell wine and
> hard licker... is $50/liter scotch considered food... I think in TN
> they call it the moonshine aisle.
>
Heh. It's illegal to sell anything other than beer in a grocery store in
TN. They cannot get a liquor license which is required to sell wine and
liquor. And you can't buy beer at a liquor store. And there are still dry
counties in TN. Lynchburg, TN, where they distill Jack Daniel's whiskey is
in a dry county. They can make it, but you can't legally buy it in that
county. Go figure.

Jill

Sheldon wrote:
> On Sep 11, 12:15?pm, Omelet > wrote:
>> In article . com>,
>>
>> Sheldon > wrote:
>>>> From my observation I think the typical stupidmarket shopping cart
>>> contains a higher dollar amount of non food items. And many
>>> households spend a significan't amount on pet food and pet supplies.
>>
>>> Sheldon
>>
>> We spend a lot more on the pets than we do ourselves. ;-)
>
> I'm pretty sure I do too.. just last night I decided I'm not cooking
> so I slapped together a quick tuna salad... always gotta open three
> cans, two for the greedy six and just one for me... and don't think
> they're not after mine either... if Dyson can build a vacuum cleaner
> that sucks better than six cats can inhale tuna they'd really have
> something.
>
> Sheldon Kist

LOL My cat hates tuna! When she first acquired me the vet wanted me to
give her worm medication "just in case", since we didn't know how long she'd
been wandering around outside. He told me to tuck the pill in some canned
tuna (water packed). She sniffed the tuna then turned her nose up at it.
Canned salmon is a totally different story

Jill

In article .com>,
Sheldon > wrote:

> On Sep 11, 12:15?pm, Omelet > wrote:
> > In article . com>,
> >
> > Sheldon > wrote:
> > > >From my observation I think the typical stupidmarket shopping cart
> > > contains a higher dollar amount of non food items. And many
> > > households spend a significan't amount on pet food and pet supplies.
> >
> > > Sheldon
> >
> > We spend a lot more on the pets than we do ourselves. ;-)
>
> I'm pretty sure I do too.. just last night I decided I'm not cooking
> so I slapped together a quick tuna salad... always gotta open three
> cans, two for the greedy six and just one for me... and don't think
> they're not after mine either... if Dyson can build a vacuum cleaner
> that sucks better than six cats can inhale tuna they'd really have
> something.
>
> Sheldon Kist

<rofl> I know exactly what you mean!
Mine go nuts when I open cans of tuna for salad. I always have to
share...
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In article >, Andy <q> wrote:

> You should know better than giving your cats real tuna!!!
>
> http://www.lenhumanesoc.org/Tips/ASPCA-Tuna.htm
>
> Andy

If it's not a regular part of their diet, it's ok as an occasional treat
in normal, healthy cats.

Give them too much and you will give them diarrhea. Anyone who's ever
made that mistake learns from it. ;-)

Our kitties main diet is canned and dry cat food, but since they are
healthy, they get a little people food now and then as a treat.

If nothing else, they get the tuna juice in a bowl.
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In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> > Sheldon Kist
>
> LOL My cat hates tuna! When she first acquired me the vet wanted me to
> give her worm medication "just in case", since we didn't know how long she'd
> been wandering around outside. He told me to tuck the pill in some canned
> tuna (water packed). She sniffed the tuna then turned her nose up at it.
> Canned salmon is a totally different story
>
> Jill

Your kitty has expensive tastes.

Too funny. ;-)
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Andy wrote:

> Kate Connally said...
>
>
>>Julia Altshuler wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On the subject of farmer's markets-- For the past month, we've been
>>>going out of our way to buy peaches at a local orchard, sometimes making
>>>3 trips / week to make sure we get them at the perfect ripeness. Now
>>>they're saying peach season has only another week at the most. But the
>>>Bartletts are coming in. <insert Snoopy happy dance here>
>>
>>Speaking of seasonal fruit, I just called my favorite
>>farm market to find out if the Concord grapes are in yet.
>>Well, I guess I'm a little late. Apparently the season is
>>almost over! I was hoping they would have them this weekend
>>when I could make the 40 mile round trip (costs me at least
>>$5 to go there over and above the cost of what I buy!!!)
>>at my leisure, but they told me that the season is almost
>>over and that they may well all be gone by the weekend.
>>So now I have to drive out there tonight after work. Bummer.
>>
>>I wanted to make a grape pie and maybe some grape freezer
>>jam. I'm hoping to freeze the pie and have it next month
>>when my sister is here. Also the freezer jam is awesome -
>>I made it a couple of years ago. It's really easy, especially
>>since they now have seedless Concords! I hate seedless water-
>>melons and seedless cucumbers - taste and texture not the same
>>as seeded varieties - but being seedless does not seem to
>>affect the grapes at all, except for make it about 100 times
>>easier to make a grape pie!
>>
>>Kate
>
>
>
> I LOVE grapes! But I've never seen concord grapes for sale, ever.
>
> There was an interesting food TV program about them. Some section of New
> York (near or around Buffalo?) where they only grow, the farmers formed a
> co-op that makes up the Welches concord grape jelly company.
>
> Andy

I bet if you tried you could find a local farmer who
would have some. Ask around at the farmers markets.
That is if you're in an area where they will grow.

I'm in Pittsburgh. We used to have them on our property
when I was a kid. And I have a friend now about an hour
away who has them, but she always lets the birds get them
and I can never seem to get any from her. I have gone
many years without seeing any concord grapes - especially
the 13 years in So. Calif. It's nice now that I can get
them at a local farm market.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

jmcquown wrote:

> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
>>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What non-food items would someone buy in a grocery store? I can't
>>>think of anything. May I ask what your observations have been?
>>
>>
>>The non-food items that I regularly buy at the supermarket/grocery
>>store include:
>>
>>
>>aluminum foil
>>dish soap
>>dishwasher detergent
>
> (snippety dog food/kibble )
>
>>kleenex
>>laundry detergent
>>newspaper
>>paper towels
>>plastic garbage bags
>>plastic wrap
>>sanitary supplies
>>shampoo
>>soap
>>sponges
>>toilet paper.
>>
>>
>>I suppose, if you want to get technical, the dog food is still a food
>>product. There are probably a dozen more, but those came to mind.
>>
>>
>>--Lia
>
>
> Ah! I buy those non-food items at the dollar store, as well. Much cheaper!

I do, too, now, but I didn't always. And some things
that I prefer they don't have at the dollar store - like
Puffs Plus in the large boxes, or the right kind of Bounty
Paper Towels. I started going to the Dollar General about
5 years ago. I get a lot of stuff there that I used to
get at the supermarket.

Kate


--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Andy wrote:
>
> >
> I LOVE grapes! But I've never seen concord grapes for sale, ever.
>
> There was an interesting food TV program about them. Some section of New
> York (near or around Buffalo?) where they only grow, the farmers formed a
> co-op that makes up the Welches concord grape jelly company.

They were very common around here. I don't know if there will be any this
year. There used to be a Welches plant in a city near here and it process a
lot of concord grapes for juice and jelly, but it was shut down... don't
you love the global economy and free trade. There was a government relief
program that paid the grape farmers to rip out the concord vines and roots.
There is one farm that has facilities to make juice so there are probably
still some concords around. Personally, I never liked concord grapes.
Eating them is too much like sucking on eye balls. You bite through the
skin to get at the juicy, chewy inside and then have to spit out the skin.
I'll take Thompson seedless over concord any day.

Kate Connally wrote:

> I do, too, now, but I didn't always. And some things
> that I prefer they don't have at the dollar store - like
> Puffs Plus in the large boxes, or the right kind of Bounty
> Paper Towels. I started going to the Dollar General about
> 5 years ago. I get a lot of stuff there that I used to
> get at the supermarket.
>
> Kate

They built a Dollar Store behind my office, a few years ago. When we
rain out of toilet paper at work, I discovered dollar stores. I buy a
few things there, like the foamy bathroom cleaner for 99 cents.

At the supermarket, I noticed that I buy fruit, vegetables and meat, for
the most part. I study the weekly circulars and I will buy meat that is
on sale, right now my freezer is almost full (this week, chickens at
Kroger are .69 per pound). If I want something, I cook it. I do not buy
items like Kraft Macaroni & Cheese, if I want mac & cheese, I will make
it. Still, I spend about $200 per week on groceries, for 2 people. That
seems high, when I compare it to everyone else spends. BTW, I do not
separate food items from wine and ziploc bags, etc. so that money covers
everything.

Becca

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:40:39 -0400, "Dee Dee" >
wrote:

>
>"Nathalie Chiva" > wrote in message
> > We spend a lot on food, but then, there are 4 of us, and 2 are growing
>> boys (you wouldn't believe how much my 12 yo son eats!), I love
>> cooking, we love eating, and have no money problems. Most of our food
>> comes from the farmer's market.
>>
>> Nathalie in switzerland
>
>The past couple of day I spent a lot of time using up what I hastily bought
>at the farmers' market Saturday(open 1 day a week).
>I'm going to be depressed not being able to go when they are there no
>longer. Only one stand left open until the end of September.
>
>How many months do your markets stay open? Are these housed markets or
>outside?

Outside market (the Lausanne market, huge on Saturday mornings,
smaller on Wednesday mornings), open all year long. It's not 100% a
farmer's market, some stands are real farmers, others are resellers,
but what they resell is much better and fresher stuff than the
stupidmarkets. You can find vegetables and fruit, of course, but also
meat (my favorite butcher is there) and poultry, cheese (exceptional
quality), good Italian cured meat products, even fish from the Lake of
Geneva, good olives, honey, stuff like that.

Nathalie in Switzerland

"Nathalie Chiva" > wrote in message
>


Outside market (the Lausanne market, huge on Saturday mornings,
> smaller on Wednesday mornings), open all year long. It's not 100% a
> farmer's market, some stands are real farmers, others are resellers,
> but what they resell is much better and fresher stuff than the
> stupidmarkets. You can find vegetables and fruit, of course, but also
> meat (my favorite butcher is there) and poultry, cheese (exceptional
> quality), good Italian cured meat products, even fish from the Lake of
> Geneva, good olives, honey, stuff like that.
>
> Nathalie in Switzerland


Ahh, when it comes to food, I was born with the wrong passport.
I can bank there, but not shop weekly there :-(

I had to go this morning to Lowe's (huge U.S. hardware store) to re-do a
contract for kitchen flooring, so I had a business card of a woman nearby
that sold apples (on the honor system) you just put your money in a box.
All around the apple trees are lots for sale. The man owning the apples
must've been in his late 80's, so I feel that these small fields of apples
will no longer be available in a few short years.

Of course, if one has to pick up anything like eggs, milk, the only place
closeby is Walmart. Then there is another market (chain) which I haven't
shopped at in 10 years at least.

You must really appreciate what is available where you live. I can tell.
Dee Dee








Dee Dee




Dee Dee

Nathalie Chiva > wrote:

> Outside market (the Lausanne market, huge on Saturday mornings,
> smaller on Wednesday mornings), open all year long. It's not 100% a
> farmer's market, some stands are real farmers, others are resellers,
> but what they resell is much better and fresher stuff than the
> stupidmarkets. You can find vegetables and fruit, of course, but also
> meat (my favorite butcher is there) and poultry, cheese (exceptional
> quality), good Italian cured meat products, even fish from the Lake of
> Geneva, good olives, honey, stuff like that.

That is exactly the kind of markets we have here and in nearby towns.
On Carlsplatz in Düsseldorf, some exotic stuff is sold and the prices
are high on the whole - often quite as high as in high-end food halls
and supermarkets - and sometimes as high as anywhere (including
speciality and "gourmet" groceries), one of the butchers and a couple of
other stalls being examples (what they sell *is* truly high-quality
stuff, though). There are also stalls selling stuff not generally found
elsewhere, like horse meat or goose eggs - or some prepared,
ready-to-eat foods, like porchetta. In smaller town markets, there is
usually no exotic stuff and produce is often rather cheaper and
sometimes better quality.

Victor

Omelet wrote:
> In article >, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>
>>You should know better than giving your cats real tuna!!!
>>
>>http://www.lenhumanesoc.org/Tips/ASPCA-Tuna.htm
>>
>>Andy
>
>
> If it's not a regular part of their diet, it's ok as an occasional treat
> in normal, healthy cats.
>
> Give them too much and you will give them diarrhea.

That's not the real reason, although that may happen also,
but a diet high in tuna can result in a vitamin E deficiency
and lead to steatitis, not to mention not getting a balanced
diet. This, of course, refers to human tuna (fresh or canned)
and not to tuna cat food to which the appropriate vitamins,
etc., have been added.

The occasional treat won't hurt at all, only a steady
diet of the stuff.

Kate

--
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“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Sky wrote:


> Illinois has a 1% sales tax for (most) food items, but then that just
> all depends, I think. There are various levels of sales taxes (in
> Illinois). The sales tax on liquor, wine, and beer, not to mention
> cigarettes, is typically a lot higher than non-food stuff like laundry
> detergent, celophane wrap, and other consumer goods.


Lotsa smokers that I know go to Indiana to get their cigs, they are
about 60% cheaper than here in Chicawgo...


> And on top of that, even some townships add their own sales taxes, etc.
> Plus the restaurants might also have additional an additional tax on top
> of regular sales tax too! Go figure. What's that saying - only two
> things are certain in life - death and taxes - only too true.
>


IIRC the sales tax here in Cook County (Chicago) on most consumer
items (excepting food and drugs) is 8.75%...and that may rise soon,
what with the budget crisis.


--
Best
Greg

Sheldon wrote:

if Dyson can build a vacuum cleaner
> that sucks better than six cats can inhale tuna they'd really have
> something.



IIRC Oreck has a "CyberTWOT Suck - Ease" model...

;-)


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Best
Greg

In article >,
Kate Connally > wrote:

> > If it's not a regular part of their diet, it's ok as an occasional treat
> > in normal, healthy cats.
> >
> > Give them too much and you will give them diarrhea.
>
> That's not the real reason, although that may happen also,
> but a diet high in tuna can result in a vitamin E deficiency
> and lead to steatitis, not to mention not getting a balanced
> diet. This, of course, refers to human tuna (fresh or canned)
> and not to tuna cat food to which the appropriate vitamins,
> etc., have been added.
>
> The occasional treat won't hurt at all, only a steady
> diet of the stuff.
>
> Kate

Yeah.

Pets need a balanced diet.

Our cats get mostly cat food and the dogs get mostly dog food.
People food treats are just "treats".

The only pet that gets regular "people" food in her diet is the
Cocaktoo. She has a balanced, vitamin enriched bird food in her dish at
all times, but a varied diet is recommended for birds. She also gets a
little dry cat food, corn on the cob, fresh fruit, fresh and fresh
frozen veggies, fresh greens, fresh organic chili peppers from the
garden, and little bites of whatever I happen to be eating at the moment
if she is on my shoulder.

She is a worse MOOCH than any pet I've ever cared for! ;-)
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Omelet said...

> She is a worse MOOCH than any pet I've ever cared for! ;-)


She's trained you well. <VBG>

Andy
Stupid Human

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:36:21 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Andy wrote:
>>
>> >
>> I LOVE grapes! But I've never seen concord grapes for sale, ever.
>>
>> There was an interesting food TV program about them. Some section of New
>> York (near or around Buffalo?) where they only grow, the farmers formed a
>> co-op that makes up the Welches concord grape jelly company.
>
>They were very common around here. I don't know if there will be any this
>year. There used to be a Welches plant in a city near here and it process a
>lot of concord grapes for juice and jelly, but it was shut down... don't
>you love the global economy and free trade. There was a government relief
>program that paid the grape farmers to rip out the concord vines and roots.
>There is one farm that has facilities to make juice so there are probably
>still some concords around. Personally, I never liked concord grapes.
>Eating them is too much like sucking on eye balls. You bite through the
>skin to get at the juicy, chewy inside and then have to spit out the skin.
>I'll take Thompson seedless over concord any day.

if you're good at it you can pop the little buggers out of the skin
into your mouth. just try to think of something other than eyeballs,
like testicles.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy said...

> if you're good at it you can pop the little buggers out of the skin
> into your mouth. just try to think of something other than eyeballs,
> like testicles.
>
> your pal,
> blake


It figured that it was only a matter of time before your perceived sense of
humor would go too far.

Ya BITCH!!!

Andy

In article >, Andy <q> wrote:

> Omelet said...
>
> > She is a worse MOOCH than any pet I've ever cared for! ;-)
>
>
> She's trained you well. <VBG>
>
> Andy
> Stupid Human

Indeed. ;-)

Do you have a pet bird Andy?
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Omelet said...

> In article >, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>> Omelet said...
>>
>> > She is a worse MOOCH than any pet I've ever cared for! ;-)
>>
>>
>> She's trained you well. <VBG>
>>
>> Andy
>> Stupid Human
>
> Indeed. ;-)
>
> Do you have a pet bird Andy?


Yes. I have about 200,000 pet bird skins representing 7,000 species and
growing!

Andy

In article >, Andy <q> wrote:

> Omelet said...
>
> > In article >, Andy <q> wrote:
> >
> >> Omelet said...
> >>
> >> > She is a worse MOOCH than any pet I've ever cared for! ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >> She's trained you well. <VBG>
> >>
> >> Andy
> >> Stupid Human
> >
> > Indeed. ;-)
> >
> > Do you have a pet bird Andy?
>
>
> Yes. I have about 200,000 pet bird skins representing 7,000 species and
> growing!
>
> Andy

Ok.
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