"HeyBub" > wrote

> > Again, that has nothing to do with my original assertion, that
> > Iran would be better country to get a foothold in democracy than
> > Iraq. Hell, they're half way there.
> >
>
> I disagree. Iraq has had a democracy within living memory,

Dictator democracy. An interesting concept.

> it has a
> well-educated population, a higher standard of living than most of its
> neighbors, a secularized society, and the intrinsic wealth to make it work.

You sure you aren't talking about Iran?!

--Tedward

"Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" > wrote

> >> > > > > >> Forgetting the polital motives of this post, I must say that I
> >> > > > > >> was quite
> >> > > > > >> surprised at those images, isn't it funny how you get an
> >> > > > > >> impression in
> >> > > > > >> your
> >> > > > > >> mind of what a place is like after watching years of TV. That
> >> > > > > >> was nothing
> >> >
> >> > > > > >> like how I thought Iran would look, especially the snow.
> >> >
> >> > > > > > If you have DTV, try watching "Bridge to Iran" on Link.
> >> > > > > > It's the crazy leaders that need to go.
> >> > > > > Correct. But that problem certainly is not limited to Iran.
> >> > > > > Allen
> >> >
> >> > > > In Teheran, there were candlelight vigils after 9-11[1].
> >> > > > The Iranian populace is largely pro-Western and secular,
> >> > > > the extremist Islamic revolution (largely due to the
> >> > > > Shah's corruption) notwithstanding.
> >> >
> >> > > > Our foreign policy regarding Iran is counterproductive.
> >> > > > You want a foothold for democracy in the Middle East?
> >> > > > Try diplomacy with a potentially friendly country, not
> >> > > > war in a hornet nest.
> >> >
> >> > > > Idots.
> >> >
> >> > > > 1. Even though we shot down a civilian Airbus flight
> >> > > > and tried to cover it up[2].
> >> >
> >> > > > 2. Somebody invade Washington, D.C.
> >> >
> >> > > > --Tedward
> >> >
> >> > > I think it's pretty clear America is a rogue nation. All you have to
> >> > > do is listen to their leader. To say that most of the American
> >> > > populace
> >> > > is not conservative pro-lifers is simply wishful thinking. If that
> >> > > were
> >> > > the case, they would not have elected that lunatic as their
> >> > > president.
> >> >
> >> > IFYPFY.
> >> >
> >> > I mean, it's simply impossible the conservative got elected because
> >> > the liberal was *too* liberal.
> >> >
> >> > --Tedward- Hide quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >>
> >> Umm, you don't mean to say that Iranian politics is like American
> >> politics where somebody votes for somebody else because of taxes or
> >> school busing, do you? We are talking about institutionalized
> >> religious hate that is bound and determined to wipe out another
> >> religion by force. That is hardly a "liberal vs. conservative"
> >> political argument.
> >
> > Again, that has nothing to do with my original assertion, that
> > Iran would be better country to get a foothold in democracy than
> > Iraq. Hell, they're half way there.
>
> So on the flip side wouldn't that mean that Iraq was a bigger threat that
> had to be dealt with first?

China's a bigger threat. Oh, wait, never mind.

--Tedward
> --
> We sent the oppressed to the polls and the oppressors to the holes. - Rusty
> Humphries
>

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:43:22 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> wrote:

>
>"Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:20:18 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" >
>> wrote:
>
>> Paul are you saying that Trijcomm is misquoting the Koran?
>
>The word here is context. You can quote the Bible all day long and get it
>wrong. Same with the Kuran. Neither of us are religious scholars and I for
>one would love to hear from one regarding those alleged passages.
>Especially I would like to hear from an Arabic speaking scholar who speaks
>fluent English. The right wing has flaunted those passages whenever it
>needs a boogey man. Its always the same passages, and I want to know who is
>saying what to whom in those passages. For all we know it may be a fable
>being recounted and not a directive to kill Jews.
>
>Context is the key.
>
>Paul
>
Here is another quote "there is none so blind as those who will not
see" I know, that it is out of context.

On Sep 19, 6:08 pm, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:
> "trijcomm" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 19, 1:43 pm, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > wrote:
> > > "Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
>
> > .. .
>
> > > > On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:20:18 GMT, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >"trijcomm" > wrote in message
> > > > roups.com...
> > > > >> On Sep 19, 12:53 am, "Paul M. Cook" >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>> Thank you for posting that excerpt from one of many hard right
> > > websites.
> > > > >>> If
> > > > >>> Rush Limbaugh says that Iran wants to destroy Israel, who are we
> to
> > > > >>> argue?
>
> > > > >>> Paul
>
> > > > >> I notice you did not cite what website you are talking about.
>
> > > > >That's your job. It's your source. But hat you posted is common
> fodder
> > > in
> > > > >all of them.
>
> > > > >Paul
>
> > > > Paul are you saying that Trijcomm is misquoting the Koran?
>
> > > The word here is context. You can quote the Bible all day long and get
> it
> > > wrong. Same with the Kuran. Neither of us are religious scholars and I
> for
> > > one would love to hear from one regarding those alleged passages.
> > > Especially I would like to hear from an Arabic speaking scholar who
> speaks
> > > fluent English. The right wing has flaunted those passages whenever it
> > > needs a boogey man. Its always the same passages, and I want to know
> who is
> > > saying what to whom in those passages. For all we know it may be a
> fable
> > > being recounted and not a directive to kill Jews.
>
> > > Context is the key.
>
> > > Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > You asked for the quotes, you got the quotes. Now for some reason you
> > are calling them "boogeyman" quotes that folks point to. Hmm ... do
> > you think that it just may be possible that the Jew haters use these
> > quotes to justify their despising of the Jews? Naw, not possible
> > because it doesn't fit in with your fantasy.
>
> You're probably a Jew hater for all I know. Anti-Semitism is quite strong
> in right-wing fundamentalist Christians who believe their ticket to heaven
> is a war waged by the Jews in the Middle East. Seems pretty self-serving to
> me. So Iran gets attacked, Israel jumps in, Syria and Saudi Arabia join in,
> China and Russia can't sit it out, Pakistan is taken over by radicals who
> unleash the nukes - we get Armageddon and you get raptured.
>
> What's your beef?
>
> BTW, do you have a nice car? If so, leave the keys in it when you go will
> ya?
>
> Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah, and you're probably a right-wing Christian fundamentalist in
real life. You remind me of the idiomatic expression, "Never argue
with a fool, because he will drag you down to his level and beat you
with experieince."

In rec.sport.football.college Paul M. Cook > sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:

> "trijcomm" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
>> On Sep 18, 3:08 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote:
>> > "trijcomm" > wrote
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > > > >> Forgetting the polital motives of this post, I must say that I
> was quite
>> > > > > >> surprised at those images, isn't it funny how you get an
> impression in
>> > > > > >> your
>> > > > > >> mind of what a place is like after watching years of TV. That
> was nothing
>> >
>> > > > > >> like how I thought Iran would look, especially the snow.
>> >
>> > > > > > If you have DTV, try watching "Bridge to Iran" on Link.
>> > > > > > It's the crazy leaders that need to go.
>> > > > > Correct. But that problem certainly is not limited to Iran.
>> > > > > Allen
>> >
>> > > > In Teheran, there were candlelight vigils after 9-11[1].
>> > > > The Iranian populace is largely pro-Western and secular,
>> > > > the extremist Islamic revolution (largely due to the
>> > > > Shah's corruption) notwithstanding.
>> >
>> > > > Our foreign policy regarding Iran is counterproductive.
>> > > > You want a foothold for democracy in the Middle East?
>> > > > Try diplomacy with a potentially friendly country, not
>> > > > war in a hornet nest.
>> >
>> > > > Idots.
>> >
>> > > > 1. Even though we shot down a civilian Airbus flight
>> > > > and tried to cover it up[2].
>> >
>> > > > 2. Somebody invade Washington, D.C.
>> >
>> > > > --Tedward
>> >
>> > > I think it's pretty clear America is a rogue nation. All you have to
>> > > do is listen to their leader. To say that most of the American
> populace
>> > > is not conservative pro-lifers is simply wishful thinking. If that
> were
>> > > the case, they would not have elected that lunatic as their president.
>> >
>> > IFYPFY.
>> >
>> > I mean, it's simply impossible the conservative got elected because
>> > the liberal was *too* liberal.
>> >
>> > --Tedward- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Umm, you don't mean to say that Iranian politics is like American
>> politics where somebody votes for somebody else because of taxes or
>> school busing, do you? We are talking about institutionalized
>> religious hate that is bound and determined to wipe out another
>> religion by force. That is hardly a "liberal vs. conservative"
>> political argument.
>>

> In this country it most surely is and I mean that quite seriously.
> Republican run on hate to win elections. "Vote for me and I'll ban ***
> marriage!" That was their platform in the last election. Last I looked
> marriage was in a lot of trouble but probably due more to the selfishness of
> most people and their unbridled personal ambitions and narcissism than
> anything coming from the *** quarter. And let's not forget what the likes
> of Falwell, Robertson et al had to say about 9-11 and Hurricane Katrina.
> Now that is hate.

> I'll repeat, Iran does not hate Jews. Iran hates Israel and Israel's
> genocidal policies toward the Palestinians. It is not a religious thing at
> all. Israel just happens to be full of Jews. They hate the US too,
> politically, but that is not because we are Jews or Christians it is because
> we support what they see as an immoral and destructive country bent on
> exterminating an entire ethnic Arab nation.

Interestingly, Iran has not launched the same hatred against Arab
countries who actually treat their Arab population far worse than
Israel treats either its Arab citizens or the Arab territorial
Palestinians.

You need to take this lame bate somewhere else. Compared to any
country in its near neighborhood, Israel is a paragon of moral
virtue. Actually, probably compared to any country in the world.

The US wasn't sending Arab suspects to Israel for them to be tortured,
but to Syria and Egypt.

You are clearly a moran. Oh, and I LIKE Iran.

rich
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"rich hammett" > wrote in message
...
> In rec.sport.football.college Paul M. Cook >
sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
>
> > "trijcomm" > wrote in message
> > ps.com...
> >> On Sep 18, 3:08 pm, "Edward M. Kennedy" > wrote:
> >> > "trijcomm" > wrote
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > > > >> Forgetting the polital motives of this post, I must say that
I
> > was quite
> >> > > > > >> surprised at those images, isn't it funny how you get an
> > impression in
> >> > > > > >> your
> >> > > > > >> mind of what a place is like after watching years of TV.
That
> > was nothing
> >> >
> >> > > > > >> like how I thought Iran would look, especially the snow.
> >> >
> >> > > > > > If you have DTV, try watching "Bridge to Iran" on Link.
> >> > > > > > It's the crazy leaders that need to go.
> >> > > > > Correct. But that problem certainly is not limited to Iran.
> >> > > > > Allen
> >> >
> >> > > > In Teheran, there were candlelight vigils after 9-11[1].
> >> > > > The Iranian populace is largely pro-Western and secular,
> >> > > > the extremist Islamic revolution (largely due to the
> >> > > > Shah's corruption) notwithstanding.
> >> >
> >> > > > Our foreign policy regarding Iran is counterproductive.
> >> > > > You want a foothold for democracy in the Middle East?
> >> > > > Try diplomacy with a potentially friendly country, not
> >> > > > war in a hornet nest.
> >> >
> >> > > > Idots.
> >> >
> >> > > > 1. Even though we shot down a civilian Airbus flight
> >> > > > and tried to cover it up[2].
> >> >
> >> > > > 2. Somebody invade Washington, D.C.
> >> >
> >> > > > --Tedward
> >> >
> >> > > I think it's pretty clear America is a rogue nation. All you have
to
> >> > > do is listen to their leader. To say that most of the American
> > populace
> >> > > is not conservative pro-lifers is simply wishful thinking. If that
> > were
> >> > > the case, they would not have elected that lunatic as their
president.
> >> >
> >> > IFYPFY.
> >> >
> >> > I mean, it's simply impossible the conservative got elected because
> >> > the liberal was *too* liberal.
> >> >
> >> > --Tedward- Hide quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >>
> >> Umm, you don't mean to say that Iranian politics is like American
> >> politics where somebody votes for somebody else because of taxes or
> >> school busing, do you? We are talking about institutionalized
> >> religious hate that is bound and determined to wipe out another
> >> religion by force. That is hardly a "liberal vs. conservative"
> >> political argument.
> >>
>
> > In this country it most surely is and I mean that quite seriously.
> > Republican run on hate to win elections. "Vote for me and I'll ban ***
> > marriage!" That was their platform in the last election. Last I looked
> > marriage was in a lot of trouble but probably due more to the
selfishness of
> > most people and their unbridled personal ambitions and narcissism than
> > anything coming from the *** quarter. And let's not forget what the
likes
> > of Falwell, Robertson et al had to say about 9-11 and Hurricane Katrina.
> > Now that is hate.
>
> > I'll repeat, Iran does not hate Jews. Iran hates Israel and Israel's
> > genocidal policies toward the Palestinians. It is not a religious thing
at
> > all. Israel just happens to be full of Jews. They hate the US too,
> > politically, but that is not because we are Jews or Christians it is
because
> > we support what they see as an immoral and destructive country bent on
> > exterminating an entire ethnic Arab nation.
>
> Interestingly, Iran has not launched the same hatred against Arab
> countries who actually treat their Arab population far worse than
> Israel treats either its Arab citizens or the Arab territorial
> Palestinians.
>
> You need to take this lame bate somewhere else. Compared to any
> country in its near neighborhood, Israel is a paragon of moral
> virtue. Actually, probably compared to any country in the world.

Your opinion.

> The US wasn't sending Arab suspects to Israel for them to be tortured,
> but to Syria and Egypt.

Bless our hearts.

> You are clearly a moran. Oh, and I LIKE Iran.


A moran? What's a moran?

What you are saying is absolute crap. It's all or nothing with you. Level
one criticism, a fully valid one, and next thing a person is a Jew hater.
Israelis record with the Palestinians is fully recorded. They slaughter
them, they violate international law with impunity and they break every
promise they have ever made regarding the Palestinians.

Want some moral virtue?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html

Israel's hands are covered in blood and your moral relativism doesn't make
them any cleaner. That is the same excuse about the Iraq war - we may be
doing something bad but they must have been so much worse. And calling them
on their own actions, including the Lebanon shelling last year, does not
make me a Jew hater. I've got no reason to hate. I don't practice a
religious superstition that demands I hate. I can look at a situation and
see it for what it is. To me it would;t matter if Israel was populated by
space alien worshippers, I'd have the same criticisms.

They are judged by what they do and sometimes what they do is an atrocity
and the US has blocked EVERY UN resolution meant to sanction Israel for
their illegal actions. And that is one reason why WE are hated over there.

Paul