sf wrote:
>
> >more...... brownies, chocolate and cheese. She eventually ate herself sick.
> >That surprised me. I thought she had a bottomless pit.
>
> Well, now you know that at least one person is capable of being
> embarrassed by her actions and she does have a food limit. Isn't it
> nice to not feel like you're going to blow a gasket after a family
> party? Maybe the secret to family parties at your house is to have
> your SIL pay for the food, so you can make enough to satisfy your
> niece.

That could be the secret, though it took a lot of food and drink to reach
that limit. However, I also had to request that my wife to be on guard and
not let the niece into the kitchen unguarded. It really bothers me that I
have to be so wary of her rooting around in my pantry and helping herself
to things in there, even opening sealed boxes when there is a buffet on the
table. For the life of me I cannot understand any normal guest at a party
sneaking off to the kitchen and opening a new box of something and cramming
into her maw when the same thing or similar items are already on the table.

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:43:32 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> For the life of me I cannot understand any normal guest at a party
>sneaking off to the kitchen and opening a new box of something and cramming
>into her maw when the same thing or similar items are already on the table.

She has poor social skills, zero social judgment and probably some
sort of disorder or syndrome as a cause.

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sf wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:43:32 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> For the life of me I cannot understand any normal guest at a party
>> sneaking off to the kitchen and opening a new box of something and cramming
>> into her maw when the same thing or similar items are already on the table.
>
> She has poor social skills, zero social judgment and probably some
> sort of disorder or syndrome as a cause.
>
I've always been shocked when reading Dave's description of this niece
and her habits. Anytime he writes about family parties I know she'll
shock me again! She sounded pretty tame this time actually?
I wonder if she'd be embarrassed or shamed into behaving better if she
had any idea of how people (or at least Dave and wife) saw her?

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:43:32 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> For the life of me I cannot understand any normal guest at a party
> >> sneaking off to the kitchen and opening a new box of something and cramming
> >> into her maw when the same thing or similar items are already on the table.
> >
> > She has poor social skills, zero social judgment and probably some
> > sort of disorder or syndrome as a cause.
> >
> I've always been shocked when reading Dave's description of this niece
> and her habits. Anytime he writes about family parties I know she'll
> shock me again! She sounded pretty tame this time actually?
> I wonder if she'd be embarrassed or shamed into behaving better if she
> had any idea of how people (or at least Dave and wife) saw her?

I wonder how accurate his description is.
Remember, we're only getting one view, and
it's Dave's view. When I recollect the saga
of the woman in front of him in line, I tend
to think that we should not accept his description
at face value.

I'd suggest the niece has grounds for a lawsuit.

Mark Thorson wrote:
>

> I wonder how accurate his description is.
> Remember, we're only getting one view, and
> it's Dave's view. When I recollect the saga
> of the woman in front of him in line, I tend
> to think that we should not accept his description
> at face value.

You think I am exaggerating? Send me your address and I will extend an
invitation to her for dinner at your house.
:-)



> I'd suggest the niece has grounds for a lawsuit.

She'd settle out of court for a dozen donuts.

On Oct 7, 3:58 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:

> She'd settle out of court for a dozen donuts.


LOL

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote:
>>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:43:32 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> For the life of me I cannot understand any normal guest at a party
>>>> sneaking off to the kitchen and opening a new box of something and
>>>> cramming into her maw when the same thing or similar items are
>>>> already on the table.
>>>
>>> She has poor social skills, zero social judgment and probably some
>>> sort of disorder or syndrome as a cause.
>>>
>> I've always been shocked when reading Dave's description of this
>> niece and her habits. Anytime he writes about family parties I know
>> she'll shock me again! She sounded pretty tame this time actually?
>> I wonder if she'd be embarrassed or shamed into behaving better if
>> she had any idea of how people (or at least Dave and wife) saw her?
>
> I wonder how accurate his description is.
> Remember, we're only getting one view, and
> it's Dave's view. When I recollect the saga
> of the woman in front of him in line, I tend
> to think that we should not accept his description
> at face value.
>
I have been reading about her "exploits" for a number of years. I don't
think Dave exaggerates.

> I'd suggest the niece has grounds for a lawsuit.

What grounds? That he won't allow her unlimited grazing through his pantry?
That's just silly!

Jill

On Oct 7, 3:32 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote:
>
> > sf wrote:
> > > On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:43:32 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > wrote:
>
> > >> For the life of me I cannot understand any normal guest at a party
> > >> sneaking off to the kitchen and opening a new box of something and cramming
> > >> into her maw when the same thing or similar items are already on the table.
>
> > > She has poor social skills, zero social judgment and probably some
> > > sort of disorder or syndrome as a cause.
>
> > I've always been shocked when reading Dave's description of this niece
> > and her habits. Anytime he writes about family parties I know she'll
> > shock me again! She sounded pretty tame this time actually?
> > I wonder if she'd be embarrassed or shamed into behaving better if she
> > had any idea of how people (or at least Dave and wife) saw her?
>
> I wonder how accurate his description is.
> Remember, we're only getting one view, and
> it's Dave's view. When I recollect the saga
> of the woman in front of him in line, I tend
> to think that we should not accept his description
> at face value.
>
> I'd suggest the niece has grounds for a lawsuit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Mark - You and I know, that is a gawd awful thought! Unfortunately
the internet is in it's Wild Wild West days, with newsgroups being the
most wild of all. However, Dave should preface his statements with a
comment like, "One of our neighbors who had dropped by, told me such
and such about my neice, but I don't really remember who that neighbor
was, because I was drinking too." Afterall, it appears third party
libel is protected on the internet, and if you claim to be too drunk
to remember what neighbor told you, then the neighbor is protected
too!

Alas, the internet - it will be awhile, before it is tamed and
civilized like the rest of society - if it ever is at all;-)

Myrl Jeffcoat > wrote in
oups.com:


>
>
> Mark - You and I know, that is a gawd awful thought! Unfortunately
> the internet is in it's Wild Wild West days, with newsgroups being the
> most wild of all. However, Dave should preface his statements with a
> comment like, "One of our neighbors who had dropped by, told me such
> and such about my neice, but I don't really remember who that neighbor
> was, because I was drinking too." Afterall, it appears third party
> libel is protected on the internet, and if you claim to be too drunk
> to remember what neighbor told you, then the neighbor is protected
> too!
>
> Alas, the internet - it will be awhile, before it is tamed and
> civilized like the rest of society - if it ever is at all;-)
>
>



Methinks that "David Smiths" 'story'......... is just that.


But he's probably very happy that he's sucked quite a few people into his
little fantasy.

On Oct 8, 9:03 am, PeterLucas > wrote:

> Methinks that "David Smiths" 'story'......... is just that.
>
> But he's probably very happy that he's sucked quite a few people into his
> little fantasy.-



A good story teller is a rare commodity indeed. When you stop to
think about it, all of life is only a fantasy, a version, or a
"reality" - as filtered through someone's perceptions. If you don't
believe it, place several artists in front of an Oak tree, and watch
how different each canvas will end as filtered through the artists'
view.

Some in life are dealing with only an 8 pack of Crayolas - others are
gifted with a full 64 pack. I hope to spend as much time as possible
with those folks possessing the 64 packs.

Myrl Jeffcoat

PeterLucas wrote:
>
>
>
> Methinks that "David Smiths" 'story'......... is just that.

If only that were true.

> But he's probably very happy that he's sucked quite a few people into his
> little fantasy.

I probably just need to vent about the occasionally stress of having to
deal with person because once every few years I have to allow the sticky
fingered human garburator into my house and then watch her devour
everything in sight, and things that she snoops around for. I doubt that
her immediate family would appreciate my comments even though they have
made similar observations.

Myrl Jeffcoat wrote:
> On Oct 7, 3:32 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>
>> I wonder how accurate his description is.
>> Remember, we're only getting one view, and
>> it's Dave's view. When I recollect the saga
>> of the woman in front of him in line, I tend
>> to think that we should not accept his description
>> at face value.
>>
>> I'd suggest the niece has grounds for a lawsuit.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> Mark - You and I know, that is a gawd awful thought! Unfortunately
> the internet is in it's Wild Wild West days, with newsgroups being the
> most wild of all.

This isn't the Internet. If you expect Usenet and newsgroups to change
anytime soon you're in for a very long wait.

However, Dave should preface his statements with a
> comment like, "One of our neighbors who had dropped by, told me such
> and such about my neice, but I don't really remember who that neighbor
> was, because I was drinking too."

Where did he ever say a neighbor told him anything about his niece? He's
been writing about her poor dinner party ettiquette in the first person for
years now. I also don't recall him saying he was drunk. Everyone here is
so quick to jump on the "you must have been drunk" bandwagon they don't read
for comprehension. Yes, there was liquor served. So? She was there with
her husband. With her mother. He didn't mention they were shitfaced drunk,
just the niece.
Afterall, it appears third party
> libel is protected on the internet, and if you claim to be too drunk
> to remember what neighbor told you, then the neighbor is protected
> too!
>
WHAT neighbor?! You don't know WTF you're talking about.

> Alas, the internet - it will be awhile, before it is tamed and
> civilized like the rest of society - if it ever is at all;-)

Again, if you're waiting for *Usenet* newsgroups to calm down you'll be
waiting for another 40 years (at least)

Jill

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:14:42 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote:

>I've always been shocked when reading Dave's description of this niece
>and her habits. Anytime he writes about family parties I know she'll
>shock me again! She sounded pretty tame this time actually?
>I wonder if she'd be embarrassed or shamed into behaving better if she
>had any idea of how people (or at least Dave and wife) saw her?

Only momentarily. People like that aren't sorry until they are caught
and repremanded.

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Goomba38 wrote:
>
>
> > She has poor social skills, zero social judgment and probably some
> > sort of disorder or syndrome as a cause.
> >
> I've always been shocked when reading Dave's description of this niece
> and her habits. Anytime he writes about family parties I know she'll
> shock me again! She sounded pretty tame this time actually?


You're right. She was pretty tame this time. Her mother paid for the food,
so I prepared lots, and they brought the wine. The only thing that I was
worried about was the pantry raids, and I told my wife to make sure that
she was responsible for keeping her niece out of the kitchen, with a very
firm warning that if I caught her raiding the pantry I was definitely going
to confront her.


> I wonder if she'd be embarrassed or shamed into behaving better if she
> had any idea of how people (or at least Dave and wife) saw her?

I have to wonder about her embarrassment. I don't know if she sneaks food
because she is embarrassed to let people know how much she eats or if it is
some sort of game she plays, sort of like shoplifting for cheap thrills.
And I am not talking about helping herself to a glass of milk or an piece
of fruit. I am talking about opening boxes of cookies and crackers in the
pantry, even when there is already ample food laid out on the table. This
is the girl who showed up unexpected at the home of her step sister who was
expecting guests for dinner and ate all the food before the invited guests
arrived.

Dave Smith wrote:
> sf wrote:
>>> more...... brownies, chocolate and cheese. She eventually ate herself sick.
>>> That surprised me. I thought she had a bottomless pit.
>> Well, now you know that at least one person is capable of being
>> embarrassed by her actions and she does have a food limit. Isn't it
>> nice to not feel like you're going to blow a gasket after a family
>> party? Maybe the secret to family parties at your house is to have
>> your SIL pay for the food, so you can make enough to satisfy your
>> niece.
>
> That could be the secret, though it took a lot of food and drink to reach
> that limit. However, I also had to request that my wife to be on guard and
> not let the niece into the kitchen unguarded. It really bothers me that I
> have to be so wary of her rooting around in my pantry and helping herself
> to things in there, even opening sealed boxes when there is a buffet on the
> table. For the life of me I cannot understand any normal guest at a party
> sneaking off to the kitchen and opening a new box of something and cramming
> into her maw when the same thing or similar items are already on the table.


Wow, is she still at that?

She has an eating disorder and in her muddled mind if other people don't
see her eating the food, it doesn't count. I used to have a very obese
friend (clinically labeled "morbidly obese"). Every time she went to
town to the grocery store she would buy an "extra" package of Oreos or
dozen doughnuts and eat them by herself on the way home. This was a six
mile trip, not a trek into the wilderness. It's a mental illness.

gloria p

Dave Smith wrote:
> sf wrote:
>>
>>> more...... brownies, chocolate and cheese. She eventually ate
>>> herself sick. That surprised me. I thought she had a bottomless pit.
>>
>> Well, now you know that at least one person is capable of being
>> embarrassed by her actions and she does have a food limit. Isn't it
>> nice to not feel like you're going to blow a gasket after a family
>> party? Maybe the secret to family parties at your house is to have
>> your SIL pay for the food, so you can make enough to satisfy your
>> niece.
>
> That could be the secret, though it took a lot of food and drink to
> reach that limit. However, I also had to request that my wife to be
> on guard and not let the niece into the kitchen unguarded. It really
> bothers me that I have to be so wary of her rooting around in my
> pantry and helping herself to things in there, even opening sealed
> boxes when there is a buffet on the table. For the life of me I
> cannot understand any normal guest at a party sneaking off to the
> kitchen and opening a new box of something and cramming into her maw
> when the same thing or similar items are already on the table.

It's just plain rude, Dave, but then you know that already. She obviously
doesn't care what you think or how you feel. I would suggest installing a
keyed lock on the pantry door. When the neice is going to be in attendance,
lock it the door and hide the key in your bedroom. Then be prepared to snap
a photo of the look of surprise on her face when the door won't open.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> It's just plain rude, Dave, but then you know that already. She obviously
> doesn't care what you think or how you feel. I would suggest installing a
> keyed lock on the pantry door. When the neice is going to be in attendance,
> lock it the door and hide the key in your bedroom. Then be prepared to snap
> a photo of the look of surprise on her face when the door won't open.

I think that the sad thing is that she really doesn't care. I had to zip
my lip the other day when she was telling me how much she admires me
because of my interest in cooking and my culinary skills and how it is her
passion. Obsession would be more accurate.

Putting a lock on the panty would be difficult because it is a long shallow
closet with a set of bifold doors and it would lead me to explain why I
lock it. I should be able to just confront the woman and tell her to stay
the hell of of my pantry and out of my fridge..... and while she is at
it..... park her fat ass away from the buffet so that someone else can get
to the table and find some food. It is a pain in the ass to spend hours
preparing for a family gathering and then have her show up early and
proceed to eat up everything there before the others arrive. I don't want
to have to put things out a bit at a time. I would prefer to spend time
with the rest of the guests. I don't have an extra fridge and room to keep
the stuff, and I should not have to.

This past event was organized a little differently. She and her husband
showed up a little earlier than others. We kept them outside talking until
the others showed up. Then I herded everyone out to the patio and escorted
her to the seat in the corner so that it would be too much effort for her
to get out and past everyone else. After our walk in the back I brought
out one thing at a time, made sure that she got some and then placed it at
the less crowded end of the table, passing it to her whenever she asked,
but not leaving anything close enough that she could scarf it back before
the others had some.

Personally, I would prefer not to have her in my house, but it was a family
party, and in honour of her mother's birthday. We never invite her and her
husband on their own, have excuses prepared in case they try to invite
themselves. We no longer have family Christmas parties here because my
stand was that if we had to invite her we weren't having it.

I know that she has a problem. It is not my problem. her mother knows she
has a problem. She is 48 <?>. She thinks of herself as a BBW, not the FFS
the rest of us see her as.

Dave Smith > wrote in
:


>
> I know that she has a problem. It is not my problem. her mother knows
> she has a problem. She is 48 <?>. She thinks of herself as a BBW, not
> the FFS the rest of us see her as.
>



Pic???

On Oct 8, 10:05 am, PeterLucas > wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote :
>
>
>
> > I know that she has a problem. It is not my problem. her mother knows
> > she has a problem. She is 48 <?>. She thinks of herself as a BBW, not
> > the FFS the rest of us see her as.
>
> Pic???

There are binary groups for those types of pix

--Bryan

Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in
ps.com:

> On Oct 8, 10:05 am, PeterLucas > wrote:
>> Dave Smith > wrote
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > I know that she has a problem. It is not my problem. her mother
>> > knows she has a problem. She is 48 <?>. She thinks of herself as a
>> > BBW, not the FFS the rest of us see her as.
>>
>> Pic???
>
> There are binary groups for those types of pix
>
> --Bryan
>
>


LOL!! Should have thought of that angle......... but a pic would add some
'weight' (truth) to the story. (No pun intended!!)

On Oct 8, 5:12 pm, PeterLucas > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote oups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 8, 10:05 am, PeterLucas > wrote:
> >> Dave Smith > wrote
> >> :
>
> >> > I know that she has a problem. It is not my problem. her mother
> >> > knows she has a problem. She is 48 <?>. She thinks of herself as a
> >> > BBW, not the FFS the rest of us see her as.
>
> >> Pic???
>
> > There are binary groups for those types of pix
>
> > --Bryan
>
> LOL!! Should have thought of that angle......... but a pic would add some
> 'weight' (truth) to the story. (No pun intended!!)

Looking through the list, it's obvious that any conceivable sexual
deviance that one can even imagine, there's not only someone out there
who that's their thing, but there's a NG dedicated to it. There's a
group called, alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.plumpers. It's right
between a.b.p.e.plumbers and a.b.p.e.plushies, whatever a plushie is.
Someone(s) has a fetish for plumbers.
Perhaps it's how they wear their trousers.

--Bryan

PeterLucas wrote:
>
> LOL!! Should have thought of that angle......... but a pic would add some
> 'weight' (truth) to the story. (No pun intended!!)

I am not allowed to take pictures of her anymore. I used to take pictures
of her along with the rest of the family at family functions but my wife
accused me of taking pictures only when she was eating. Our son pointed out
that she is always eating.
She is not as enormous as you might expect, and the issue is not her
size.... until she sat on her husband's knee while he was seated in an
expensive leather swivel chair. It just ain't built for close to 700 lb.
My issue with her is that she eats so much. She can clear a buffet single
handed and still sneak through the pantry when she thinks no one is looking
and open up boxes.... even boxes of crackers when there are already some of
the same crackers on the buffet. YOu don't need to steal food when it is
being offered for free.

Dave Smith wrote:

> I think that the sad thing is that she really doesn't care. I had to zip
> my lip the other day when she was telling me how much she admires me
> because of my interest in cooking and my culinary skills and how it is her
> passion. Obsession would be more accurate.

<clipped>

> I know that she has a problem. It is not my problem. her mother knows she
> has a problem. She is 48 <?>. She thinks of herself as a BBW, not the FFS
> the rest of us see her as.

Does she cook or entertain? Does she actually know good food or just
know where to find food (*at your house)?

What does FFS mean? LOL

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
. ..
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> I think that the sad thing is that she really doesn't care. I had to zip
>> my lip the other day when she was telling me how much she admires me
>> because of my interest in cooking and my culinary skills and how it is
>> her
>> passion. Obsession would be more accurate.
>
> <clipped>
>
>> I know that she has a problem. It is not my problem. her mother knows she
>> has a problem. She is 48 <?>. She thinks of herself as a BBW, not the FFS
>> the rest of us see her as.
>
> Does she cook or entertain? Does she actually know good food or just know
> where to find food (*at your house)?
>
> What does FFS mean? LOL

****ing Fat Ass? (Just guessing here...)

What does BBW stand for?

How much does this woman weigh (roughly)?

Mary

MareCat wrote:
>
>
> >
> >> I know that she has a problem. It is not my problem. her mother knows she
> >> has a problem. She is 48 <?>. She thinks of herself as a BBW, not the FFS
> >> the rest of us see her as.
> >
> > Does she cook or entertain? Does she actually know good food or just know
> > where to find food (*at your house)?
> >
> > What does FFS mean? LOL
>
> ****ing Fat Ass? (Just guessing here...)

Good guess .... Fat ****ing Sow
>
> What does BBW stand for?

Big Beautiful Woman


> How much does this woman weigh (roughly)?

I would guesstimate about 350.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> MareCat wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> I know that she has a problem. It is not my problem. her mother knows
>> >> she
>> >> has a problem. She is 48 <?>. She thinks of herself as a BBW, not the
>> >> FFS
>> >> the rest of us see her as.
>> >
>> > Does she cook or entertain? Does she actually know good food or just
>> > know
>> > where to find food (*at your house)?
>> >
>> > What does FFS mean? LOL
>>
>> ****ing Fat Ass? (Just guessing here...)
>
> Good guess

Not really. You said FFS, not FFA. Duh. (Can you tell I only got about four
hours of sleep last night?


.... Fat ****ing Sow
>>
>> What does BBW stand for?
>
> Big Beautiful Woman
>
>
>> How much does this woman weigh (roughly)?
>
> I would guesstimate about 350.

Yikes (not that surprising, though).

Mary

Goomba38 wrote:

> > I know that she has a problem. It is not my problem. her mother knows she
> > has a problem. She is 48 <?>. She thinks of herself as a BBW, not the FFS
> > the rest of us see her as.
>
> Does she cook or entertain? Does she actually know good food or just
> know where to find food (*at your house)?

Of course she cooks. It is her hobby/obsession. She volunteers at a local
historical building and does period cooking.


> What does FFS mean? LOL

Fat Fu*%ing Sow

Dave Smith wrote:

> Of course she cooks. It is her hobby/obsession. She volunteers at a local
> historical building and does period cooking.
>

Ooooh.. now that sounds interesting! Is she good at it? Accurate? Which
period does she "do" ??

>
>> What does FFS mean? LOL
>
> Fat Fu*%ing Sow

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh! <slaps head> Gotcha. LOL

Goomba38 wrote:
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > Of course she cooks. It is her hobby/obsession. She volunteers at a local
> > historical building and does period cooking.
> >
>
> Ooooh.. now that sounds interesting! Is she good at it? Accurate? Which
> period does she "do" ??


Yes, it does sound interesting, but she has this obsession with food and it
would probably be in her best interests to come to grips with the problem
and to avoid temptation.

She made a go of a jam and jelly business. Some of them were pretty good
but she was selling them for $6.95 and we were getting pressure to buy some
to help her out. That was about 10 years ago when I could buy jams at local
fruit stands for $3-4 if I needed it. But I didn't need to buy any because
I make my own jam and usually make enough that I end up giving it away. I
didn't see any benefit to me giving away more of my jam to make room for
her overpriced product.

> >> What does FFS mean? LOL
> >
> > Fat Fu*%ing Sow