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Following up to Sacha > wrote:

>> and you cant tackle off the ball

>
>You can in soccer?


american football
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"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" > wrote in message
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> Sacha > wrote:
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>> On 26/10/07 11:56, in article ,
>> "Mike..." > wrote:
>>
>> > Following up to Sacha > wrote:
>> >
>> >> But I want to understand!!!! Why would you want to eat nearly 2lbs of
>> >> meat in one sitting? What is 'good' or 'attractive' about that? What
>> >> makes that something to feature on a menu?
>> >> --
>> > ive seen steak size mentioned on downmarket UK menus often enough, not
>> > that size though!

>>
>> Oh certainly we've probably all seen that. I have never, ever been
>> anywhere
>> that had a 2lb steak on the menu. I don't even recall seeing that in
>> USA.
>> Giusi is absolutely right about those huge bisteca alla fiorentina in
>> parts
>> of Italy, though. I think that's a Porterhouse steak and those are
>> around
>> 2lbs.

>
> I saw them a few weeks ago in a restaurant outside Dubrovnik. They were
> massive- I'm glad I didn't order them!
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Well, I guess I had better confess to another US oddity that has become more
prevalent in recent years. You will find eateries around the country that
advertise that if you can eat this 'X'-sized steak and all the side dishes
in 1 hour, the meal is free. This concept has also spread to pizza,
spaghetti, hamburgers and sundry others. If you manage to consume the meal
in the given time, you are immortalized by having your name and the date put
on a plaque on the restaurant wall.
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>>> In US military post theaters it is at the beginning of the show, not
>>> the end. Or it used to be? it's been a few years since I frequented a
>>> movie on post.

>>
>>I thought you USians often stood to attention for the flag? Apart from
>>military I doubt if you could see anyone doing that here now.


>"Mike..." > wrote
> or find a flag :-)


I still run the Union Flag up my flagpole at the cottage each weekend, and
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"Mike..." > wrote in message
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>>>>But please continue, you may be able to instill
>>>>some cultural values in us eventually.
>>>
>>> Well, if you insist :-)
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>>snork!!! o.k., I'm ready. . .

>
> well lesson 1 will be wear your pants *inside* your trousering, thats
> obviously where superman got confused!
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> We could do how to use a knife and fork..............ohhhh
> controversial but on topic :-)
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Oh, goody. You mean the upside-down fork trick?
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> Following up to "Dee Dee" > wrote:
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>>> There are twelve million sheep in Ontario.
>>> Problem is nine million of them think they are people.


>>Prime rib cut of sheep?


>"Mike..." > wrote:
> Umm, why not?


Would that not be, Frenched rack?

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Dee Dee wrote:

> Wondering by whom have you been named that? Just curious because I've only
> been to Toronto once and Quebec City once, but Montreal several times. But
> that's been a few years ago now. Maybe 5.
> Dee Dee



A number of cities try to make that claim, but he is correct about the city
having incredible cultural diversity. You can eat in restaurants of just
about every ethnicity imaginable. I don't mean just the bigness like
Indian, Chinese, Thai, Italian, Greek and French, but Sri Lankan, Mollacan,
Moroccan, Nepalese,

I had a funny experience there a few weeks ago. A friend and I were in the
old China town and went into a food court of a small mall full of Chinese
store lunch. There are a half dozen restaurants... all Chinese.... offering
competitive prices... $3.50 for 5 items. the woman waiting on me did not
speak much English, and what she did know was barely understandable. I just
had to point to the items I wanted. I think it was a big joke to here
because she she just piled on whatever she felt like. One of them was
deep fried pork chop, which was surprisingly good. There was a mountain
of food on that plate and it was delicious.
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>> Following up to "Dee Dee" > wrote:
>>You certainly wouldn't want to go to Vegas


>"Mike..." > wrote
> certainly wouldnt, there must be 1000 places in US id visit first


But to get the true American experience you must visit Vegas at least once.
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Following up to Mike... > wrote:

>We could do how to use a knife and fork..............ohhhh
>controversial but on topic :-)


gave it more thought while cleaning:-

Well, one cant consider anybody cultured who thinks a stretch limo is
sophisticated, Havent they *seen* a Rolls Royce? The poor dears! But
then being isolated from the cradle of civilsation between two oceans
I suppose one cant expect better? And has one seen the way they eat? I
would have thought they could at least have learned to use a knife and
fork both at once, but then they elect people to high office who can't
chew gum (whatever that is) and walk at the same time i'm told so
perhaps its a neccessity for them? Are they still wearing those
unmatched checked suits? And as for calling them "pants", how
distasteful, one doesnt like to think of such areas in polite company,
if at all. And why do they name thier children with identical names
and call them "Jr" or Herbie Flatstacker the forth or something? I
mean, its alright for Royalty, but really? Now, wheres my copy of the
Sun? Blimey Anastasia, look at the tits on that, you dont get many of
those to the kilo!
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Following up to "Alex Cunningham" > wrote:

>>>I thought you USians often stood to attention for the flag? Apart from
>>>military I doubt if you could see anyone doing that here now.

>
>>"Mike..." > wrote
>> or find a flag :-)

>
>I still run the Union Flag up my flagpole at the cottage each weekend, and
>salute it.


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Dave Smith > wrote:

> Dee Dee wrote:
>
> > Wondering by whom have you been named that? Just curious because I've only
> > been to Toronto once and Quebec City once, but Montreal several times. But
> > that's been a few years ago now. Maybe 5.
> > Dee Dee

>
>
> A number of cities try to make that claim, but he is correct about the city
> having incredible cultural diversity. You can eat in restaurants of just
> about every ethnicity imaginable. I don't mean just the bigness like
> Indian, Chinese, Thai, Italian, Greek and French, but Sri Lankan, Mollacan,
> Moroccan, Nepalese,


In that respect, I'd have thought London would do very well. I can't
offhand think of Mollucan restaurant there though...

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Following up to "Alex Cunningham" > wrote:

>>>Prime rib cut of sheep?

>
>>"Mike..." > wrote:
>> Umm, why not?

>
>Would that not be, Frenched rack?


not here. "Rack of lamb" or "guard of honour". Mutton is making a big
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Following up to "Alex Cunningham" > wrote:

>> certainly wouldnt, there must be 1000 places in US id visit first

>
>But to get the true American experience you must visit Vegas at least once.
>;-)


well, i havent been to Blackpool yet.....
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>> Following up to "Alex Cunningham" > wrote:
>>Rugby is similar to American football in that the hands are used more than
>>the feet to move the ball about the field. They also use a similar shaped
>>ball. The rugby players however wear a minimum of padding whereas the
>>Americans are like knights in medieval armour.

>
>"Mike..." > wrote:
> and you cant tackle off the ball.


Not quite. You can only block a player. You can not grab them. That is a
holding penalty and you will be penalised ten yards. You can tackle the
quarterback however until the moment he releases the ball.
Also it is legal to make a forward pass with the ball.

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Following up to "Janet B." > wrote:

> I do enjoy watching all
>those lovely, sweaty bodies flying through the air


isnt that jelly wrestling?
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Following up to Mike... > wrote:

>maybe we should do it in cups......
>>
>><sigh>

>
>oh come on that was a good one! :-)


anyone for a DDD steak? <leer>
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Mike... > wrote:

> Following up to "Alex Cunningham" > wrote:
>
> >>>Prime rib cut of sheep?

> >
> >>"Mike..." > wrote:
> >> Umm, why not?

> >
> >Would that not be, Frenched rack?

>
> not here. "Rack of lamb" or "guard of honour". Mutton is making a big
> comeback here BTW.


Indeed- a lot of the finer english-style restaurants here serve it-
Simply Heathcoates is one example local to me.

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Following up to "Janet B." > wrote:

>> We could do how to use a knife and fork..............ohhhh
>> controversial but on topic :-)
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>Oh, goody. You mean the upside-down fork trick?


you mean curved down not up to make it harder?
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>>>>Janet B." > wrote:
>>>> I didn't know how to properly
>>>> address your team sports people as I get confused between 'football'
>>>> and
>>>> 'football' but I was going to suggest that UK sports players didn't eat
>>>> a
>>>> 3 ounce portion of meat. ;o}


>>>Alex Cunningham" > wrote:
>>> American football is known as, Gridiron in UK.
>>> British (and many other countries) version of football is known as
>>> soccer
>>> in N. America.
>>> Rugby is similar to American football in that the hands are used more
>>> than
>>> the feet to move the ball about the field. They also use a similar
>>> shaped
>>> ball. The rugby players however wear a minimum of padding whereas the
>>> Americans are like knights in medieval armour.
>>> And no! None of them would be happy with a 3oz. steak. ;-)


>>Janet B." wrote:
>> Thank you for the sports explanation. ;o} I think I've got it!


>"Sacha" > wrote:
> Ah. But he hasn't told you about Australian Rules Football.....


That's very simple. There are no rules. ;-)

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Mike... wrote:
> Following up to "Alex Cunningham" > wrote:
>
>>>> I thought you USians often stood to attention for the flag?
>>>> Apart from military I doubt if you could see anyone doing that
>>>> here now.

>>
>>> "Mike..." > wrote
>>> or find a flag :-)

>>
>> I still run the Union Flag up my flagpole at the cottage each
>> weekend, and salute it.

>
> sorry, my irony isnt working, you are joking?


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>>"Sacha" wrote: Ah. But he hasn't told you about Australian Rules
>>Football.....


>"Janet B." > wrote Sigh. . .you mean there's more
>'football?' wink;o} I do enjoy watching all those lovely, sweaty bodies
>flying through the air -- much better than US football where everyone is
>padded like medieval knights.
> Janet


American football is so rugged that in spite of the heavy padding many
players still suffer some quite horrendous injuries.

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Following up to Dave Smith > wrote:

>> Wondering by whom have you been named that? Just curious because I've only
>> been to Toronto once and Quebec City once, but Montreal several times. But
>> that's been a few years ago now. Maybe 5.
>> Dee Dee

>
>
>A number of cities try to make that claim, but he is correct about the city
>having incredible cultural diversity. You can eat in restaurants of just
>about every ethnicity imaginable. I don't mean just the bigness like
>Indian, Chinese, Thai, Italian, Greek and French, but Sri Lankan, Mollacan,
>Moroccan, Nepalese,


probably applies to London and other places too. Personally i tend to
think the best restros are those that dont hide behind an ethnicity.
But I realise that wasnt your point.
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Following up to "Alex Cunningham" > wrote:

>You can only block a player. You can not grab them


not even by the balls? Nancy game I reckon :-)
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Following up to "Alex Cunningham" > wrote:

>American football is so rugged that in spite of the heavy padding many
>players still suffer some quite horrendous injuries.


i dont see how its more rugged than rugger, are you sure the helmets
dont cause a lot of the injuries?
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>>Sacha > wrote:
>>But I want to understand!!!! Why would you want to eat nearly 2lbs of

meat
>>in one sitting? What is 'good' or 'attractive' about that? What makes
>>that
>>something to feature on a menu?


>"Mike..." > wrote:
> ive seen steak size mentioned on downmarket UK menus often enough, not
> that size though!


It is mainly due to the Vegas mentality I think where everything has to be
the biggest, brashest, and best. ;-)
I am sure if you went looking for it you would find a steak even larger than
22 ounces somewhere in Vegas.
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Mike... > wrote:

> Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
> (*)) wrote:
>
> >> You only get it for steak except for seafood by weight. If its useful
> >> why not for everything, or maybe we should do it in cups......

> >
> ><sigh>

>
> oh come on that was a good one! :-)


I'm still catching up from the tears of laughter.

It makes sense for a steakhouse to offer and list different sizes of
steak- not least because there's quite a range of difference in what
someone considers a good size for them. Also, there's something
aesthetically unpleasant about leaving a large part of a steak just
because it was too big- maybe that's just me. It's generally not
necessary in my opinion to list weights for many other things in the UK,
not least because sizes do tend to be reasonable. In a decent
restaurant, the staff will answer questions about size of portions
anyway, and I sometimes ask- especially if I'm thinking of a starter or
something. Happened last night at a local Spanish place. We ordered
bread, which was £2, and when I wondered if that was enough for two, the
waitress said it was. And she was right!

On the subject of huge portions, the record for me might very well not
be the US at all, but Krakow. A few years ago, we dined at a jewish
restaurant in the Kazimierz area, and I ordered duck. Given it was quite
cheap, I assumed it would be a reasonable portion. It was a whole duck,
and not a small one. It was delicious, but I left half of it, and my
partner couldn't assist! I apologised to the waiter, who didn't seem at
all suprised!

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Mike... > wrote:

> Following up to Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> >> Wondering by whom have you been named that? Just curious because I've only
> >> been to Toronto once and Quebec City once, but Montreal several times. But
> >> that's been a few years ago now. Maybe 5.
> >> Dee Dee

> >
> >
> >A number of cities try to make that claim, but he is correct about the city
> >having incredible cultural diversity. You can eat in restaurants of just
> >about every ethnicity imaginable. I don't mean just the bigness like
> >Indian, Chinese, Thai, Italian, Greek and French, but Sri Lankan, Mollacan,
> >Moroccan, Nepalese,

>
> probably applies to London and other places too. Personally i tend to
> think the best restros are those that dont hide behind an ethnicity.


On the subject of that, we went to a restaurant here on Saturday night
which we'd tried once before- the first time, I liked it but my partner
wasn't impressed. This time, we both liked it. The menu, however, looks
like a mess, the kind of thing that doesn't know what it wants to be.
Fajitas, creole, burgers, seafood, also thai and malaysian curries!
Sounds like a nightmare, but it's not too expensive, and that's second
time lucky for me... It's called Panama Hattys.

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>>>"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" > wrote
>>> I can't make a comparison with Canada, as I've only been there briefly
>>> by accident. There certainly seem to be plenty of restaurants in the UK-
>>> both in towns and cities. I live in central Manchester, so there are
>>> naturally a lot of restaurants here, but the scene is definitely
>>> booming, with many restaurants opening up in recent years, and all very
>>> busy. There's not the ethnic variety you'll get in big American cities,
>>> but still pretty diverse. Within 10 minutes walk from where I live,
>>> traditional english, gastro pubs, seafood, italian, chinese (fairly big
>>> chinatown, lots of different regional chinese cuisines), japanese,
>>> french, indian, thai, west african, spanish, portuguese, korean,
>>> malaysian, mexican, mongolian, carribean, lebanese, turkish, greek,
>>> armenian. These are ones I've been to- I may have missed out various
>>> other cuisines entirely. With the exception of chinatown, much of the
>>> centre of Manchester was pretty dead a decade ago in terms of dining. Of
>>> course, the numbers of diners going up reflects the number of people
>>> living in the centre going up...


>>"Alex Cunningham" > wrote If you are looking for
>>diversity in dining you should come to Toronto. We have been named the
>>most culturally diverse city on the planet.


>"Dee Dee" > wrote Wondering by whom have you been
>named that? Just curious because I've only been to Toronto once and Quebec
>City once, but Montreal several times. But that's been a few years ago
>now. Maybe 5.
> Dee Dee


I believe it came about from a UN survey.
Montreal was a very diverse city up until a few years ago when the PQ came
to power and introduced racial language laws. People left in droves for
other parts of Canada.
Mainly Toronto.

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"Mike..." wrote:
>
> >A number of cities try to make that claim, but he is correct about the city
> >having incredible cultural diversity. You can eat in restaurants of just
> >about every ethnicity imaginable. I don't mean just the bigness like
> >Indian, Chinese, Thai, Italian, Greek and French, but Sri Lankan, Mollacan,
> >Moroccan, Nepalese,

>
> probably applies to London and other places too. Personally i tend to
> think the best restros are those that dont hide behind an ethnicity.
> But I realise that wasnt your point.



I am not sure that I am reading your comment right. There are restaurants
that are run by people of one culture who operate restaurant s of other
ethnicity. For example, there is a Chinese restaurant in town (owned and
operated by Chinese) that now offers Thai food. Their Thai food is
basically their Chinese dishes with a bit of curry powder. There are also a
lot of Italian restaurants around that are run by Greeks. Then there are a
lot of Italian a restaurants around that might fit the bill of what I think
you are referring to by hiding behind ethnicity. There have a lot of the
red, white and green motive, some rat pack pictures on the wall, and their
menu is mostly various types of pasta with tomato sauce and the meat
choices are meatballs or veal Parmesan.

People from various cultures come to the large western cities and tend to
end up in communities with their own kind. They open restaurants that cater
to their own culture. I live in a an area that is almost all white. When I
go into a Chinese restaurant here the staff are Chinese but the customers
are white Europeans. When I go into a Chinese restaurant in Toronto, the
customers are mostly Chinese.
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On Oct 25, 3:54 pm, Sacha > wrote:
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> And food is cheaper in USA than here. Is that the equation - the
> attraction? Tomorrow I'm going to the butcher. He knows every farmer that
> supplies him with meat and it's killed at a small, local abbatoir. I almost
> never buy meat from a supermarket because I don't know enough about its
> provenance. So I'm going to ask him what a fillet steak costs, on average
> and what a T bone costs, on average. Beef here is expensive but in the case
> of our local butcher, it's outstandingly good so it's a worthwhile treat.


Most Americans, me included, would rather eat mediocre meat
frequently.
Of course, I've never had one of your butcher's steaks so I can't say
whether it's better than what I get in the grocery store. I do know
that
a few months ago I tried a fancy grass-fed beef steak, and I hated it.
The taste was too strong, the meat was too tough. It made me really
understand why veal has always been so prized.

And, like most Americans, I don't care where the meat comes from. If
it looks pretty good at the grocery store and the newspaper isn't
filled
with reports of people dying from eating it, that's enough for me. I
believe
USDA Choice fillet steak is around US$8.99 per pound and T bone about
the same
at the grocery store where I customarily shop. Occasionally they have
the entire tenderloin on sale for $5.99 per pound, and I buy one and
portion it myself. This grocery store is a pretty fancy one. There
are
other stores hereabouts that carry USDA Select beef, but I don't shop
at
them. I guess I do care, some, but it's based on aesthetics. (Are
you
familiar at all with the beef grading system over here? Choice is the
second-highest in terms of marbling, tenderness, flavor, etc. I
imagine
there's info on the Web if you're interested.)

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> People from various cultures come to the large western cities and tend to
> end up in communities with their own kind. They open restaurants that cater
> to their own culture. I live in a an area that is almost all white. When I
> go into a Chinese restaurant here the staff are Chinese but the customers
> are white Europeans. When I go into a Chinese restaurant in Toronto, the
> customers are mostly Chinese.


In chinatown here, that depends on the day. If you go on a weeknight, it
will be mostly non-Chinese diners. Go on a weekend, especially
lunchtime, and you'll be lucky to get a seat, and if you do, you will be
in the minority among local Chinese diners. Also depends on the time of
day- weeknights, a lot of the chinatown restaurants here are full of
(mostly younger) asian looking crowd- local, but I suspect a lot of
students from abroad. If you go to a Chinese restaurant in the suburbs,
I think it will be mostly non-Chinese, as is your experience.

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Mike... > wrote:

> well lesson 1 will be wear your pants *inside* your trousering, thats
> obviously where superman got confused!


Saves on the shopping, as Eddie Izzard famously said.


> We could do how to use a knife and fork..............ohhhh
> controversial but on topic :-)


In that case you'll have to start here as well: the number of people you
see eating fries stuck perpendicularly to the fork which is of course
clenched in the fist up in the air, with the elbow pressed resolutely to
the table... I'm always hopeful but they never poke themselves in the
eye - when that happens I want to be at A&E and hear the explanation to
the consultant. <eg>



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Janet B. > wrote:

> "Gregoire Kretz" > wrote in message
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> >
> > Grief: concise wit and humour - it's so nice to have your stereotypes
> > repudiated with elegance!
> >
> >

> What a nice reply -- you understood and were not hateful about it.


Of course not, bash the Brits all you want!
<g>


> Thank you.


Any time.



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Janet B. > wrote:

> I was going to suggest that
> UK sports players didn't eat a 3 ounce portion of meat. ;o}


You haven't seen their croquet teams: hordes of big brutes that
devastate the grounds the moment they start, blood flowing everywhere
and the lot. Just before the match, woe is the poor waitress at the pub
who says they have run out of meat or beer: hopefully there will be
enough left of her to justify a burrying. If they're in a good mood.


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> You only get it for steak except for seafood by weight. If its useful
> why not for everything, or maybe we should do it in cups......


The French always sell in grams, except for mussels which are sold in
litres. Always puzzles me.


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in message ...
> Mike... > wrote:
>
>> Following up to Dave Smith > wrote:
>>
>> >> Wondering by whom have you been named that? Just curious because I've
>> >> only
>> >> been to Toronto once and Quebec City once, but Montreal several times.
>> >> But
>> >> that's been a few years ago now. Maybe 5.
>> >> Dee Dee
>> >
>> >
>> >A number of cities try to make that claim, but he is correct about the
>> >city
>> >having incredible cultural diversity. You can eat in restaurants of just
>> >about every ethnicity imaginable. I don't mean just the bigness like
>> >Indian, Chinese, Thai, Italian, Greek and French, but Sri Lankan,
>> >Mollacan,
>> >Moroccan, Nepalese,

>>
>> probably applies to London and other places too. Personally i tend to
>> think the best restros are those that dont hide behind an ethnicity.


>"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" > wrote
> On the subject of that, we went to a restaurant here on Saturday night
> which we'd tried once before- the first time, I liked it but my partner
> wasn't impressed. This time, we both liked it. The menu, however, looks
> like a mess, the kind of thing that doesn't know what it wants to be.
> Fajitas, creole, burgers, seafood, also thai and malaysian curries!
> Sounds like a nightmare, but it's not too expensive, and that's second
> time lucky for me... It's called Panama Hattys.


I believe I drove by there in August. Is it on the A49 a little north of
Tarporley? I was on my way to Shrewsbury at the time. It was early in the
day so it was closed. In the same area there was a rather nice pub on the
A49 called, The Fox and they had a notice painted on the door that faced the
highway that said "Find the front door at the back." I noticed that it was
being gutted and a sign said, "Coming soon. Fine Indian cuisine.

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