"James Silverton" > wrote:>
> My experience of restaurants in North to Central Italy (and I've not been
> to Naples) was that pasta was, in American terms, usually an appetizer
> rather than an entree. Things may have changed since in Rome in 1963 I
> saw very simple small pizzas as snacks but nothing very complicated.
> Twenty or so years later, there were quite elaborate pizzas available in
> Verona that my kids enjoyed but the restaurants may have been catering to
> the tourists.
>
>

Pizza was served in the cities in Italy I visited a few years ago in the
few places that stayed open to cater to the Americans and Germans
who did not have the good sense to observe the Italian custom of
going home at lunch time for a few hours of ... whatever. I had pizza
in Venice. Domino's is much better, but I did enjoy the open air
dining room with the grape vines overhead and the lovely cat named
Luna walking over them, peering down at us as we ate.

It's my understanding that pizza is a southern Italian thing. Sicily,
Napoli,
Rome.

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "James Silverton" > wrote:>
>> My experience of restaurants in North to Central Italy (and I've not been
>> to Naples) was that pasta was, in American terms, usually an appetizer
>> rather than an entree. Things may have changed since in Rome in 1963 I
>> saw very simple small pizzas as snacks but nothing very complicated.
>> Twenty or so years later, there were quite elaborate pizzas available in
>> Verona that my kids enjoyed but the restaurants may have been catering to
>> the tourists.
>>
>>
>
> Pizza was served in the cities in Italy I visited a few years ago in the
> few places that stayed open to cater to the Americans and Germans
> who did not have the good sense to observe the Italian custom of
> going home at lunch time for a few hours of ... whatever. I had pizza
> in Venice. Domino's is much better, but I did enjoy the open air
> dining room with the grape vines overhead and the lovely cat named
> Luna walking over them, peering down at us as we ate.
>
> It's my understanding that pizza is a southern Italian thing. Sicily,
> Napoli,
> Rome.

A memorable experience for me after visiting the Vatican, walking down the
street to have pizza at a outside table, watching the robed men walking by
while I was eating a slice; the pizza was terrible. The ambience was
terrific. I'm sure this restaurant was designed for the likes of me, an
ignoble one.
Dee Dee

On 26/10/07 18:24, in article , "Dee
Dee" > wrote:

>
> "Sacha" > wrote in message
> . uk...
>> On 26/10/07 13:31, in article , "Alex
>> Cunningham" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Following up to "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> In US military post theaters it is at the beginning of the show, not
>>>>>> the end. Or it used to be? it's been a few years since I frequented a
>>>>>> movie on post.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought you USians often stood to attention for the flag? Apart
>>>>> from
>>>>> military I doubt if you could see anyone doing that here now.
>>>
>>>> "Mike..." > wrote
>>>> or find a flag :-)
>>>
>>> I still run the Union Flag up my flagpole at the cottage each weekend,
>>> and
>>> salute it.
>>
>> We fly the Union Jack, the Cross of St George, the Jersey flag, the Stars
>> &
>> Stripes, our 'house flag' and the 3 Para flag - not all at the same time.
>> ;-)
>>
>> --
>> Sacha
>>
>
> Good for you, Sacha. I like that.
>
> When I lived in Hawaii and walked the beach everyday, I always walked past a
> house that flew a different country's flag everyday. I never did see anyone
> who lived there.
>
> Dee Dee
>
>
Ours are flown for particular reasons on given days. The Union Jack and
Cross of St George are when we feel like it and at random and ditto the
'house flag'. The Jersey flag and the Stars & Stripes are flown when we
have family or friends visiting from one or t'other and the 3 Para flag is
flown on 11 November or at other appropriate times. We don't have a Devon
flag yet, so I must order one of those!

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On Oct 25, 4:01 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
> Dee Dee wrote:
>
> > We're all different what we'll find acceptable on TV. I don't mind
> > offensive words; but I can't stand watching someone being mean,
> > whether by words or physical.
>
> > BTW, if that is your beautiful home; it's a jewel -- but most of all,
> > that dog -- gotta have it!
>
> What dog????????
>
> Show me the dog please!!!!
>
> *O who loves dogs*

O, it was/is the Jack Russell. Oh I think those little doggies are so
cute, but what diggers! Did you get to the picture of him laying
there -- in wait!
Dee Dee

Oh pshaw, on Fri 26 Oct 2007 08:04:09p, Dee Dee meant to say...

> On Oct 25, 4:01 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>> Dee Dee wrote:
>>
>> > We're all different what we'll find acceptable on TV. I don't mind
>> > offensive words; but I can't stand watching someone being mean,
>> > whether by words or physical.
>>
>> > BTW, if that is your beautiful home; it's a jewel -- but most of all,
>> > that dog -- gotta have it!
>>
>> What dog????????
>>
>> Show me the dog please!!!!
>>
>> *O who loves dogs*
>
> O, it was/is the Jack Russell. Oh I think those little doggies are so
> cute, but what diggers! Did you get to the picture of him laying
> there -- in wait!
> Dee Dee
>
>

A good friend of mine from work is on vacation this week, but stopped by
the office to show me her two puppies. She and her husband recently
acquired an English Pug and a Shitzu. They are both adorable.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

The meek are getting ready.

Dee Dee wrote:
> On Oct 25, 4:01 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>> Dee Dee wrote:
>>
>>> We're all different what we'll find acceptable on TV. I don't
>>> mind offensive words; but I can't stand watching someone being mean,
>>> whether by words or physical.
>>
>>> BTW, if that is your beautiful home; it's a jewel -- but most of
>>> all, that dog -- gotta have it!
>>
>> What dog????????
>>
>> Show me the dog please!!!!
>>
>> *O who loves dogs*
>
> O, it was/is the Jack Russell. Oh I think those little doggies are so
> cute, but what diggers! Did you get to the picture of him laying
> there -- in wait!
> Dee Dee

No, I never saw any dogs

Following up to "Giusi" > wrote:

>Read "The Greatest Story Ever Sold" a

i think i will
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Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>> I don't know but it would be hard for me to finish all that, never mind a
>> main course (entree)!
>
>Not everyone eats that way in Italy either, from what I've seen there...

ive seen people just have a load of starters, but its the way the menu
is organised and the pasta isnt a meat heavy main course. Theres a
sensible restro in Venice that has a tourist menu with spag bol on it-
loads of meat and spag bol in the "real" menu with much less sauce!
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Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>> how many italian restros serve pasta as a seperate course before main
>> after starter?
>
>In the town centre here? The majority, I think.

none of my locals do.

>But, as is the case in
>Italy, you order what you want.

of course.
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Following up to Dave Smith > wrote:

>> how many italian restros serve pasta as a seperate course before main
>> after starter?
>
>To be perfectly honest, in most of the Italian restaurants around here, the
>main dishes are pasta.

thats the way it is here, the pastas are large main course "meaty"
dishes. My local also has a small spag bol as a starter so you get
them to bring it as a pasta course, which i did once after an Italy
trip and the waiter (luckily the one italain) said "ah, you want to
eat italian style!" which was quite amusing in an italian restro!
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Following up to "James Silverton" >
wrote:

> I saw very simple small pizzas as
>snacks but nothing very complicated. Twenty or so years later,
>there were quite elaborate pizzas available in Verona that my
>kids enjoyed but the restaurants may have been catering to the
>tourists.

i think authentic neoplitan pizza is simple
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Following up to (David Horne, _the_ chancellor
(*)) wrote:

>To have an antipasto, primo and secondo is
>quite a lot of food- or at least has seemed so when I've ordered all of
>that.

i find it OK in Italy, never too much, but we never have dessert.
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Following up to "cybercat" > wrote:

>It's my understanding that pizza is a southern Italian thing. Sicily,
>Napoli,
>Rome.

i think so. There are stories it got to Milan via New York :-)
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Following up to "Ophelia" > wrote:

>> i hate to think how you make steak fork tender.
>
>Behave yourself our Mike!!!!!!!!!! It means you can cut it with a fork)

thats what i thought!!!!
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Following up to Dave Smith > wrote:

> I can certainly stick a fork into my steaks,

obviously!

>and a nice rare
>filet can be cut with the edge of a fork.

i cant recollect a steak here that you could, including kobi.
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Mike... wrote on Sat, 27 Oct 2007 11:59:46 +0100:

??>> I saw very simple small pizzas as
??>> snacks but nothing very complicated. Twenty or so years
??>> later, there were quite elaborate pizzas available in
??>> Verona that my kids enjoyed but the restaurants may have
??>> been catering to the tourists.

M> i think authentic neoplitan pizza is simple

As I said, I haven't been to Naples but the ones I have heard of
were more complicated, like Pizza Margarita, than those I first
came across in Rome that were simply some sauce and cheese on a
thin crust. I would wonder if pizza in Italy has reached the
"baroque splendor" of some around here or the the pineapple,
artichoke and shrimp one I had in Canada (it was better than you
would expect!).

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"Mike..." > wrote
> loads of meat and spag bol in the "real" menu with much less sauce!

And the portions are so much smaller in many-course meals.

"Mike..." > wrote in message
...
> Following up to "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>>It's my understanding that pizza is a southern Italian thing. Sicily,
>>Napoli,
>>Rome.
>
> i think so. There are stories it got to Milan via New York :-)

That's funny. And believable.

"Mike..." > wrote in message
...
> Following up to Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> I can certainly stick a fork into my steaks,
>
> obviously!
>
>>and a nice rare
>>filet can be cut with the edge of a fork.
>
> i cant recollect a steak here that you could, including kobi.

I've never met a filet mignon that could not be cut with a fork. It's a hard
cut to ruin. It used to be the only beef I cooked at home.

cybercat > wrote:

> I've never met a filet mignon that could not be cut with a fork. It's a hard
> cut to ruin. It used to be the only beef I cooked at home.

Confusing: in France it's usually pork.
Oh well.


Greg
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> Dee Dee wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 4:01 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>> Dee Dee wrote:
>>>
>>>> We're all different what we'll find acceptable on TV. I don't
>>>> mind offensive words; but I can't stand watching someone being mean,
>>>> whether by words or physical.
>>>
>>>> BTW, if that is your beautiful home; it's a jewel -- but most of
>>>> all, that dog -- gotta have it!
>>>
>>> What dog????????
>>>
>>> Show me the dog please!!!!
>>>
>>> *O who loves dogs*
>>
>> O, it was/is the Jack Russell. Oh I think those little doggies are so
>> cute, but what diggers! Did you get to the picture of him laying
>> there -- in wait!
>> Dee Dee
>
> No, I never saw any dogs


Here is the Mr. Jack Russell.
I didn't see another dog - but here is the ornery one.
Dee Dee

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> Dee Dee wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 4:01 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>> Dee Dee wrote:
>>>
>>>> We're all different what we'll find acceptable on TV. I don't
>>>> mind offensive words; but I can't stand watching someone being mean,
>>>> whether by words or physical.
>>>
>>>> BTW, if that is your beautiful home; it's a jewel -- but most of
>>>> all, that dog -- gotta have it!
>>>
>>> What dog????????
>>>
>>> Show me the dog please!!!!
>>>
>>> *O who loves dogs*
>>
>> O, it was/is the Jack Russell. Oh I think those little doggies are so
>> cute, but what diggers! Did you get to the picture of him laying
>> there -- in wait!
>> Dee Dee
>
> No, I never saw any dogs

Did I show the link page?
Here it is
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk/plants01.html

D who loves dogs, too

Dee Dee

In article 4>,
says...
> Oh pshaw, on Fri 26 Oct 2007 08:04:09p, Dee Dee meant to say...
>
> > On Oct 25, 4:01 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
> >> Dee Dee wrote:
> >>
> >> > We're all different what we'll find acceptable on TV. I don't mind
> >> > offensive words; but I can't stand watching someone being mean,
> >> > whether by words or physical.
> >>
> >> > BTW, if that is your beautiful home; it's a jewel -- but most of all,
> >> > that dog -- gotta have it!
> >>
> >> What dog????????
> >>
> >> Show me the dog please!!!!
> >>
> >> *O who loves dogs*
> >
> > O, it was/is the Jack Russell. Oh I think those little doggies are so
> > cute, but what diggers! Did you get to the picture of him laying
> > there -- in wait!
> > Dee Dee
> >
> >
>
> A good friend of mine from work is on vacation this week, but stopped by
> the office to show me her two puppies. She and her husband recently
> acquired an English Pug and a Shitzu. They are both adorable.
>
>

Friends of ours inherited a cute little Chihuahua/Miniature Pinscher
mix. She's about 4 or 5 months old now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kd1s/1751757041/

Oh pshaw, on Sat 27 Oct 2007 08:22:58a, T meant to say...

> In article 4>,
> says...
>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 26 Oct 2007 08:04:09p, Dee Dee meant to say...
>>
>> > On Oct 25, 4:01 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>> >> Dee Dee wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > We're all different what we'll find acceptable on TV. I don't
mind
>> >> > offensive words; but I can't stand watching someone being mean,
>> >> > whether by words or physical.
>> >>
>> >> > BTW, if that is your beautiful home; it's a jewel -- but most of
all,
>> >> > that dog -- gotta have it!
>> >>
>> >> What dog????????
>> >>
>> >> Show me the dog please!!!!
>> >>
>> >> *O who loves dogs*
>> >
>> > O, it was/is the Jack Russell. Oh I think those little doggies are so
>> > cute, but what diggers! Did you get to the picture of him laying
>> > there -- in wait!
>> > Dee Dee
>> >
>> >
>>
>> A good friend of mine from work is on vacation this week, but stopped by
>> the office to show me her two puppies. She and her husband recently
>> acquired an English Pug and a Shitzu. They are both adorable.
>>
>>
>
> Friends of ours inherited a cute little Chihuahua/Miniature Pinscher
> mix. She's about 4 or 5 months old now.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kd1s/1751757041/
>
>

Very pretty little dog. Beautiful shiiny coat.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

I have a rock garden, but three of them died last week.

Dee.Dee wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dee Dee wrote:
>>> On Oct 25, 4:01 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>> Dee Dee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We're all different what we'll find acceptable on TV. I don't
>>>>> mind offensive words; but I can't stand watching someone being
>>>>> mean, whether by words or physical.
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, if that is your beautiful home; it's a jewel -- but most of
>>>>> all, that dog -- gotta have it!
>>>>
>>>> What dog????????
>>>>
>>>> Show me the dog please!!!!
>>>>
>>>> *O who loves dogs*
>>>
>>> O, it was/is the Jack Russell. Oh I think those little doggies are
>>> so cute, but what diggers! Did you get to the picture of him laying
>>> there -- in wait!
>>> Dee Dee
>>
>> No, I never saw any dogs
>
>
> Here is the Mr. Jack Russell.
> I didn't see another dog - but here is the ornery one.
> Dee Dee

where?

Dee.Dee wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dee Dee wrote:
>>> On Oct 25, 4:01 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>> Dee Dee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We're all different what we'll find acceptable on TV. I don't
>>>>> mind offensive words; but I can't stand watching someone being
>>>>> mean, whether by words or physical.
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, if that is your beautiful home; it's a jewel -- but most of
>>>>> all, that dog -- gotta have it!
>>>>
>>>> What dog????????
>>>>
>>>> Show me the dog please!!!!
>>>>
>>>> *O who loves dogs*
>>>
>>> O, it was/is the Jack Russell. Oh I think those little doggies are
>>> so cute, but what diggers! Did you get to the picture of him laying
>>> there -- in wait!
>>> Dee Dee
>>
>> No, I never saw any dogs
>
> Did I show the link page?
> Here it is
> http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk/plants01.html
>
> D who loves dogs, too

aww he is lovely

T wrote:
> In article 4>,
> says...
>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 26 Oct 2007 08:04:09p, Dee Dee meant to say...
>>
>>> On Oct 25, 4:01 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>> Dee Dee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We're all different what we'll find acceptable on TV. I don't
>>>>> mind offensive words; but I can't stand watching someone being
>>>>> mean, whether by words or physical.
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, if that is your beautiful home; it's a jewel -- but most of
>>>>> all, that dog -- gotta have it!
>>>>
>>>> What dog????????
>>>>
>>>> Show me the dog please!!!!
>>>>
>>>> *O who loves dogs*
>>>
>>> O, it was/is the Jack Russell. Oh I think those little doggies are
>>> so cute, but what diggers! Did you get to the picture of him laying
>>> there -- in wait!
>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>
>> A good friend of mine from work is on vacation this week, but
>> stopped by the office to show me her two puppies. She and her
>> husband recently acquired an English Pug and a Shitzu. They are
>> both adorable.
>>
>>
>
> Friends of ours inherited a cute little Chihuahua/Miniature Pinscher
> mix. She's about 4 or 5 months old now.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kd1s/1751757041/

She is cute))))

In article 4>,
says...
> Oh pshaw, on Sat 27 Oct 2007 08:22:58a, T meant to say...
>
> > In article 4>,
> > says...
> >> Oh pshaw, on Fri 26 Oct 2007 08:04:09p, Dee Dee meant to say...
> >>
> >> > On Oct 25, 4:01 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
> >> >> Dee Dee wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > We're all different what we'll find acceptable on TV. I don't
> mind
> >> >> > offensive words; but I can't stand watching someone being mean,
> >> >> > whether by words or physical.
> >> >>
> >> >> > BTW, if that is your beautiful home; it's a jewel -- but most of
> all,
> >> >> > that dog -- gotta have it!
> >> >>
> >> >> What dog????????
> >> >>
> >> >> Show me the dog please!!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> *O who loves dogs*
> >> >
> >> > O, it was/is the Jack Russell. Oh I think those little doggies are so
> >> > cute, but what diggers! Did you get to the picture of him laying
> >> > there -- in wait!
> >> > Dee Dee
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> A good friend of mine from work is on vacation this week, but stopped by
> >> the office to show me her two puppies. She and her husband recently
> >> acquired an English Pug and a Shitzu. They are both adorable.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Friends of ours inherited a cute little Chihuahua/Miniature Pinscher
> > mix. She's about 4 or 5 months old now.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/kd1s/1751757041/
> >
> >
>
> Very pretty little dog. Beautiful shiiny coat.
>
>

Yes, Chiqui definitely got the best characteristics of the two lines.
When she's old enough they want to breed her with another Miniatur
Pinscher. But that will only reinforce the Pinscher traits.

If she does have pups we're promised one. The nice thing about a small
dog is I can train it to use the litterbox.

It's funny, whenever they bring Chiqui over Angie has to investigate.
She goes close and closer every time. Chiqui of course is very curious
about Angie which has come to a little fisticuffs a time or two.

"James Silverton" > ha scritto nel messaggio
news:HIrUi.28$oy4.2@trnddc08...
> Steve wrote on Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:47:06 +0000 (UTC):
>
> ??>> To be perfectly honest, in most of the Italian restaurants
> ??>> around here, the main dishes are pasta.
> ??>> A typical menu would have a listing of soups and salads
> ??>> with basically the same items as any other local
> ??>> restaurant. Then they have a pizza section and a pasta
> ??>> section that includes spaghetti with a tomato sauce,
> ??>> spaghetti with a meat and tomato sauce rigatoni, penne,
> ??>> manicotti, ravioli, cannelloni.... all with meatballs as
> ??>> an option,
> >>>Snipped<<<
> ??>> Even the more expensive, "classy" Italian restaurants
> ??>> serve pasta entrees.
>
> SP> You're describing Italian-American restaurants, I would
> SP> guess.
>
> My experience of restaurants in North to Central Italy (and I've not been
> to Naples) was that pasta was, in American terms, usually an appetizer
> rather than an entree. Things may have changed since in Rome in 1963 I
> saw very simple small pizzas as snacks but nothing very complicated.
> Twenty or so years later, there were quite elaborate pizzas available in
> Verona that my kids enjoyed but the restaurants may have been catering to
> the tourists.
>
>
> James Silverton

The problem, James, is in trying to us Anmerican terms to describe an
Italian meal. The first course is pasta or risotto or soup, then comes a
second course of meat, fish or cheese/eggs, with what is called contorni.
All these are considered equal, not something to get you going, a main
course and sides. You plan the meal to have adequate carbs, proteins,
vitamins using the whole meal. Antipasto can be considered an appetiser.
While one certainly can order just a pasta and a glass of wine, as I did for
lunch today, it isn't a normal meal.

Nowadays we don't eat all those courses very often, but perhaps spread them
thoughout the day. There are not very many people riding horses to oversee
their land or hacking at the soil with a pick. At feasts, we force down all
of them. Arising fast is the piatto unico, or one dish meal, though.

My next door neighbors do eat all three courses for lunch, but very tiny
portions. She cooks three pork spareribs for three people.

"Mike..." > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> Following up to "cybercat" > wrote:
>
>>It's my understanding that pizza is a southern Italian thing. Sicily,
>>Napoli,
>>Rome.
>
> i think so. There are stories it got to Milan via New York :-)
> --
> Mike

Shoot the person who said that. Every area has something that was
indiginous and resembled pizza. Ours here is called torta al testo.
--
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"Dave Smith" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
on't get me wrong. I know enough about Italy and Italian cooking to
> realize that there is a lot more to offer than pasta and red sauce, but
> unfortunately, that's basically all they offer in the Italian restaurants
> here.

The first thing I have to do for foreign clients is acquaint them with what
IS Italian food. Unless they've been here before or have studied cooking
before, they list off the menu at Olive Garden. That is NOT Italian.

--
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:04:33 +0100, (Gregoire
Kretz) wrote:

>cybercat > wrote:
>
>> I've never met a filet mignon that could not be cut with a fork. It's a hard
>> cut to ruin. It used to be the only beef I cooked at home.
>
>Confusing: in France it's usually pork.
>Oh well.
>
it's the small part of the tenderloin. Both animals have one.

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"Giusi" > wrote in message
...
> "Dave Smith" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> ...
> on't get me wrong. I know enough about Italy and Italian cooking to
>> realize that there is a lot more to offer than pasta and red sauce, but
>> unfortunately, that's basically all they offer in the Italian restaurants
>> here.
>
> The first thing I have to do for foreign clients is acquaint them with
> what IS Italian food. Unless they've been here before or have studied
> cooking before, they list off the menu at Olive Garden. That is NOT
> Italian.
>
> --
> http://www.judithgreenwood.com

I've heard there is "no such thing" as "Italian food." It is all
regionally named.

Yes, everyone who comes to Italy is just plain ignorant. One has to educate
them. Well, 99% of them, anyway. But we all know about American food.
That's an easy one!

Dee Dee

In message >, Giusi
> writes
>"Dave Smith" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
>on't get me wrong. I know enough about Italy and Italian cooking to
>> realize that there is a lot more to offer than pasta and red sauce, but
>> unfortunately, that's basically all they offer in the Italian restaurants
>> here.
>
>The first thing I have to do for foreign clients is acquaint them with what
>IS Italian food. Unless they've been here before or have studied cooking
>before, they list off the menu at Olive Garden. That is NOT Italian.
>
Did you ever get around to reading 'Delizia!' by John Dickie, Judith?
It is a gem.
--
June Hughes

"June Hughes" > wrote in message
...
> In message >, Giusi
> > writes
>>"Dave Smith" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
>>on't get me wrong. I know enough about Italy and Italian cooking to
>>> realize that there is a lot more to offer than pasta and red sauce, but
>>> unfortunately, that's basically all they offer in the Italian
>>> restaurants
>>> here.
>>
>>The first thing I have to do for foreign clients is acquaint them with
>>what
>>IS Italian food. Unless they've been here before or have studied cooking
>>before, they list off the menu at Olive Garden. That is NOT Italian.
>>
> Did you ever get around to reading 'Delizia!' by John Dickie, Judith? It
> is a gem.
> --
> June Hughes


I was looking on amazon about that book -- it says it's not been released
yet. Wonder what that's all about; wonder if they got the date of release
incorrect - Jan 2008.
Dee Dee

Giusi > wrote:

> That's generally true, but not always, and I cannot eat a whole steak nor a
> whole pork chop anyway. The Fiorentina must be, according to some chefs .5
> kilo and others say .75 kilo. If you share it with a group, fine, but if no
> one else wants it and you do, or if you are alone, it only makes sense not
> to waste it.

If it is a steak - especially La Fiorentina - or a pork chop, I wouldn't
dream of eating it other than freshly grilled or pan-fried. No matter
how leftovers are prepared, cold or re-warmed, they do not taste good to
me. Feeding them to cats or dogs would be the only alternative to just
discarding them. In the case of specifically La Fiorentina, I did once
eat a 1 kg (2.2 lbs) specimen in Bergamo many years ago, at one of
Veronelli's favourite restaurants of the time. All by my lonesome,
too... and I wanted more!

Victor

Mike... wrote:
> Following up to "Alex Cunningham" > wrote:
>
>
>>>certainly wouldnt, there must be 1000 places in US id visit first
>>
>>But to get the true American experience you must visit Vegas at least once.
>>;-)
>
>
> well, i havent been to Blackpool yet.....


:-(

In message >, Dee.Dee
> writes
>
>"June Hughes" > wrote in message
...
>> In message >, Giusi
>> > writes
>>>"Dave Smith" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
>>>on't get me wrong. I know enough about Italy and Italian cooking to
>>>> realize that there is a lot more to offer than pasta and red sauce, but
>>>> unfortunately, that's basically all they offer in the Italian
>>>> restaurants
>>>> here.
>>>
>>>The first thing I have to do for foreign clients is acquaint them with
>>>what
>>>IS Italian food. Unless they've been here before or have studied cooking
>>>before, they list off the menu at Olive Garden. That is NOT Italian.
>>>
>> Did you ever get around to reading 'Delizia!' by John Dickie, Judith? It
>> is a gem.
>> --
>> June Hughes
>
>
>I was looking on amazon about that book -- it says it's not been released
>yet. Wonder what that's all about; wonder if they got the date of release
>incorrect - Jan 2008.
>Dee Dee
>
>
Mine came from Amazon a couple of months ago. Perhaps they mean the
release in the US?
--
June Hughes

"Dee.Dee" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
>
> "Giusi" > wrote in message
> ...
>> cooking before, they list off the menu at Olive Garden. That is NOT
>> Italian.
>>
>
> I've heard there is "no such thing" as "Italian food." It is all
> regionally named.
>
> Yes, everyone who comes to Italy is just plain ignorant. One has to
> educate them. Well, 99% of them, anyway. But we all know about American
> food. That's an easy one!
>
> Dee Dee

People hire me to teach them, DeeDee. The 99% is your figure and not mine.
People who have traveled or studied food do get the idea. The tone of
superiority is absolutely yours. I am a chef. I teach cooking. I know
more about the subject than my students and I love sharing the adventure
with them.

It's true that Italian food is regional, but there is an underlying
philosophy about food that is national. The regionality is important enough
that I go to regions to learn their food on the spot, because recipes don't
tell the whole story. But I find that true in the US, too. Although I know
a lot about American food, I haven't eaten or cooked everywhere so my gumbo
is good, but may not be good enough for a Cajun. I have never eaten a brat
that I know of. But yesterday when my hairdresser was telling me about his
trip to Mississippi and wanted to know why they eat insects, it didn't take
long to figure out he was talking about mudbugs and explain what general
category they fall in.
--
http://www.judithgreenwood.com

"Giusi" > wrote in message
...
> "Dee.Dee" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> ...
>>
>> "Giusi" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> cooking before, they list off the menu at Olive Garden. That is NOT
>>> Italian.
>>>
>>
>> I've heard there is "no such thing" as "Italian food." It is all
>> regionally named.

And as with everything else, the regions can be competitive! I loved
it when a Venetian I met sniffed and called the Florentines "bean eaters!"
I have since read that it is because much of the regional Florentine/Tuscan
cuisine is based on peasant fare--beans and such. I bistecca at a place on
one of the squares in Florence--and sensed I should have gone for a less
touristy place.

[...] I haven't eaten or cooked everywhere so my gumbo
> is good, but may not be good enough for a Cajun. I have never eaten a
> brat that I know of. But yesterday when my hairdresser was telling me
> about his trip to Mississippi and wanted to know why they eat insects, it
> didn't take long to figure out he was talking about mudbugs and explain
> what general category they fall in.

This reminds me of the time I sat down to a tray of steamed blue crabs
in Houston at a neighborhood seafood house that advertised "Maryland
Style Steamed Crabs" and halfway through ripping off their shells and
prying off their mouthparts I looked up and saw some ... I think hispanic?
but am not sure ... men staring at me in horror. It must have looked to them
like I was eating giant spiders.