"Ophelia" wrote:
> cybercat wrote:
> > "Nancy2" wrote
>
> >> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
> >> securely fastened to something.
>
> > Okay, I get it. Tell me this: does it mess up the thing is it clamped
> > to?
>
> If you put something between the clamp and the table ie cloth or paper, it
> ought not not mess it up
>
> I guess it depends on how posh your table is)

With how modern tables and countertops are made there is really no way
to secure a manual grinder without it causing damage... especially a
grinder of that size... that thingie is almost as large as an
automatic transmission. If you used your kitchen table someone with
an obeastie butt would need to sit on the table lest it move across
the room... and most styles of today's kitchen counters really have no
place to clamp anything. To use such a grinder one would need to
invest in a large heavy table just for that use.... mostly such a
grinder is used by hunters outdoors in cold weather, likely clamped to
a heavy work bench in a garage or tool shed... the meat stays cold
this time of year naturally, the hunters stay warm by slugging down
hootch and jerking each other off with their tales of prowess stalking
Bambie's mom with laser guided gun sights.

Sheldon wrote:
> "Ophelia" wrote:
>> cybercat wrote:
>>> "Nancy2" wrote
>>
>>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>>> securely fastened to something.
>>
>>> Okay, I get it. Tell me this: does it mess up the thing is it
>>> clamped to?
>>
>> If you put something between the clamp and the table ie cloth or
>> paper, it ought not not mess it up
>>
>> I guess it depends on how posh your table is)
>
> With how modern tables and countertops are made there is really no way
> to secure a manual grinder without it causing damage... especially a
> grinder of that size... that thingie is almost as large as an
> automatic transmission. If you used your kitchen table someone with
> an obeastie butt would need to sit on the table lest it move across
> the room... and most styles of today's kitchen counters really have no
> place to clamp anything. To use such a grinder one would need to
> invest in a large heavy table just for that use.... mostly such a
> grinder is used by hunters outdoors in cold weather, likely clamped to
> a heavy work bench in a garage or tool shed... the meat stays cold
> this time of year naturally, the hunters stay warm by slugging down
> hootch and jerking each other off with their tales of prowess stalking
> Bambie's mom with laser guided gun sights.

Don't be silly Shellie!! I have a very large and solid pine table, made to
my specifiations, which can take anything clamped to it.

Wanna test it m'dear? How shall we clamp him girls?

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat wrote:
>> "Nancy2" > wrote
>>>>
>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>> securely fastened to something.
>>>
>>
>> Okay, I get it. Tell me this: does it mess up the thing is it clamped
>> to?
>
> If you put something between the clamp and the table ie cloth or paper, it
> ought not not mess it up
>
> I guess it depends on how posh your table is)
>
The counter and table are not posh, but they are early 60s, with little
Jetson stars in them and unfinished undersides. Very campy. I like
them. They don't look like they would hold up well to being clamped.

I need my entire kitchen gutted and redone, but it is not the time yet.

I want to keep from damaging what I have since I have to have it for
a while.

cybercat wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> cybercat wrote:
>>> "Nancy2" > wrote
>>>>>
>>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>>> securely fastened to something.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Okay, I get it. Tell me this: does it mess up the thing is it
>>> clamped to?
>>
>> If you put something between the clamp and the table ie cloth or
>> paper, it ought not not mess it up
>>
>> I guess it depends on how posh your table is)
>>
> The counter and table are not posh, but they are early 60s, with
> little Jetson stars in them and unfinished undersides. Very campy.
> I like them. They don't look like they would hold up well to being
> clamped.
> I need my entire kitchen gutted and redone, but it is not the time
> yet.
> I want to keep from damaging what I have since I have to have it for
> a while.

Ok. Perhaps you could find a solid wee table to use with that grinder?

On Nov 2, 1:39 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Nancy2" > wrote
>
>
>
> > What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
> > securely fastened to something.
>
> Okay, I get it. Tell me this: does it mess up the thing is it clamped to?


Of course it will - you will be screwing it down securely, and if you
remove it, there will be holes in the wood you fasten it to. Further,
if you screw it to a table top, then you'll need to make sure the
table won't move with heavy cranking action. If you have a permanent
wooden workbench suitable as a place to grind meat, go for it.
Otherwise, forget it.

I'm afraid that if you are choosing between this hand-cranked model
and an electric one, you should choose the electric one.

N.

On Nov 2, 1:39 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Nancy2" > wrote
>
>
>
> > What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
> > securely fastened to something.
>
> Okay, I get it. Tell me this: does it mess up the thing is it clamped to?


Oops, I thought you were asking about the heavy duty one you said you
liked that gets screwed down to a wooden surface. The ones that clamp
don't damage anything - they should come with a rubber gasket-type
thing that goes on the inside of the clamping mechanism to protect the
work surface.

N.

In article . com>,
says...
> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> > Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
> >
> > (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you flabby
> > old Queen.)
> >
> > This one looks good:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/29479d
> >
> >
> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
> securely fastened to something.
>
> N.
>
>

It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
to move that much.

But if you really had to, you could mount this to a large piece of
butcherblock and then secure that to a cheap cart.

I do note the gigantic "MADE IN CHINA" on the side though.

On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T > wrote:
> In article . com>,
> says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> > > Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>
> > > (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you flabby
> > > old Queen.)
>
> > > This one looks good:
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>
> > What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
> > securely fastened to something.
>
> > N.
>
> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
> to move that much.

You've obviously never used a hand grinder.

Sheldon wrote:
> On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T > wrote:
>> In article . com>,
>> says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you flabby
>>>> old Queen.)
>>>> This one looks good:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>> securely fastened to something.
>>> N.
>> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
>> to move that much.
>
> You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, asshole.

Really.

DumbDan wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> >>
> > You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>
> You should consider leaving this group for a long time, asshole.

What long time... will take me only about an hour to give your
sister's asshole a good grinding, honing, and lapping... they don't
call me asshole pro for nothing ya know... you got a daughter, if
she's got tits I'll toss her asshole reaming in for free.

Ahll be bach!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

Sheldon Arrrnold

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
...
> Sheldon wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T > wrote:
>>> In article . com>,
>>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>>>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you
>>>>> flabby
>>>>> old Queen.)
>>>>> This one looks good:
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>>> securely fastened to something.
>>>> N.
>>> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
>>> to move that much.
>>
>> You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>>
>
> You should consider leaving this group for a long time, asshole.
>
> Really.

Dan?

Sheldon is an asshole, for sure. But you are an asshole too.
Different style, same content. Really.

On Nov 1, 7:25?pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>
> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you flabby
> old Queen.)
>
> This one looks good:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>
> What I want it for is grinding 4-5 lbs of beef max for burgers and meatloaf,
> at least for now. I'm sure I will find other uses for it after it arrives.
>
> Yes, I am also googling the group.

Hay Cat, Sheldon knows a lot about the meat grinder, he is full of
really good information. He is the one who got me enthused about
grinding my own meat ...

Suck it up and ask him, he will help you.

Rosie

"rosie" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Nov 1, 7:25?pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>
>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you flabby
>> old Queen.)
>>
>> This one looks good:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>
>> What I want it for is grinding 4-5 lbs of beef max for burgers and
>> meatloaf,
>> at least for now. I'm sure I will find other uses for it after it
>> arrives.
>>
>> Yes, I am also googling the group.
>
> Hay Cat, Sheldon knows a lot about the meat grinder, he is full of
> really good information. He is the one who got me enthused about
> grinding my own meat ...
>
> Suck it up and ask him, he will help you.
>

Thanks. I don't want to grind my own meat that bad though. lol

I will admit to coming across his pearls of meat grinding wisdom in the
Google archives, though.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:25:49 -0700, rosie wrote:
>
>> Hay Cat, Sheldon knows a lot about the meat grinder,
>> he is full of...
>
> ...Gregory Morrow (the meat grinder).
>

eyyuuu.

Sqwertz squirts:

> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:25:49 -0700, rosie wrote:
>
> > Hay Cat, Sheldon knows a lot about the meat grinder,
> > he is full of...
>
> ...Gregory Morrow (the meat grinder).


"Steve U ignernt slut..."

--
Best
Greg

"I am smarter than you think I am"
- Maryanne "Loafhead" Kehoe to me
in alt.gossip.celebrities

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>
> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you flabby
> old Queen.)
>
> This one looks good:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>
> What I want it for is grinding 4-5 lbs of beef max for burgers and
> meatloaf, at least for now. I'm sure I will find other uses for it after
> it arrives.
>
> Yes, I am also googling the group.

I remember my family back to my great grandmother also used the cranked meat
grinder to grind potatoes and onions for potato latkas. (Watch your
fingers!)

Mitch

cybercat > wrote:

> What I want it for is grinding 4-5 lbs of beef max for burgers and meatloaf,
> at least for now. I'm sure I will find other uses for it after it arrives.

I'd look at electric grinders. In the USA, the choice is between those
operating at 110 V and those at 220-240 V. If you only have a 110 V
outlet to use for a grinder, you are screwed. Last I looked (a couple
of years ago), there was only one 110 V grinder (a Panasonic model with
no reverse function) that was not manufactured in China/Laogai. In the
220-240 V category, there was a choice of producing countries.

Here in Germany (where 220-240 V is standard), I have been using a
Moulinex model (Charlotte 4) for decades. It is a good mincer, but so
loud, in spite of its mere 150 W, it is shaking the house foundations.
I am now considering a very good Kenwood MG470 (or MG510, or MG520), or
Braun Power Plus 1300 (also labelled G1300K). In the USA, they can be
found for around $140 or less. These models are probably the best for
non-professional use.

Victor

"Victor Sack" > wrote in message
. ..
> cybercat > wrote:

> I'd look at electric grinders. In the USA, the choice is between those
> operating at 110 V and those at 220-240 V. If you only have a 110 V
> outlet to use for a grinder, you are screwed. Last I looked (a couple
> of years ago), there was only one 110 V grinder (a Panasonic model with
> no reverse function) that was not manufactured in China/Laogai. In the
> 220-240 V category, there was a choice of producing countries.
>
> Here in Germany (where 220-240 V is standard), I have been using a
> Moulinex model (Charlotte 4) for decades. It is a good mincer, but so
> loud, in spite of its mere 150 W, it is shaking the house foundations.
> I am now considering a very good Kenwood MG470 (or MG510, or MG520), or
> Braun Power Plus 1300 (also labelled G1300K). In the USA, they can be
> found for around $140 or less. These models are probably the best for
> non-professional use.
>

Very good information, Victor. I have a two three-prong outlets (I guess
that's 220-240 V) in my little kitchen. Anyone with a fridge should have
at least one. Given the fact that I know I will be using the grinder for
years,
you're probably right. I should just get a decent electric one. I had not
even thought about noise, and it is a worthy consideration, particularly
since I really hate scraping the cats off the ceiling.

Have you actually heard the Kenwood or Braun in action? Are they
quieter than the Moulinex?

Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 06:35:34a, cybercat meant to say...

>
> "Victor Sack" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> cybercat > wrote:
>
>> I'd look at electric grinders. In the USA, the choice is between those
>> operating at 110 V and those at 220-240 V. If you only have a 110 V
>> outlet to use for a grinder, you are screwed. Last I looked (a couple
>> of years ago), there was only one 110 V grinder (a Panasonic model with
>> no reverse function) that was not manufactured in China/Laogai. In the
>> 220-240 V category, there was a choice of producing countries.
>>
>> Here in Germany (where 220-240 V is standard), I have been using a
>> Moulinex model (Charlotte 4) for decades. It is a good mincer, but so
>> loud, in spite of its mere 150 W, it is shaking the house foundations.
>> I am now considering a very good Kenwood MG470 (or MG510, or MG520), or
>> Braun Power Plus 1300 (also labelled G1300K). In the USA, they can be
>> found for around $140 or less. These models are probably the best for
>> non-professional use.
>>
>
> Very good information, Victor. I have a two three-prong outlets (I guess
> that's 220-240 V) in my little kitchen. Anyone with a fridge should have
> at least one. Given the fact that I know I will be using the grinder for
> years,
> you're probably right. I should just get a decent electric one. I had not
> even thought about noise, and it is a worthy consideration, particularly
> since I really hate scraping the cats off the ceiling.
>
> Have you actually heard the Kenwood or Braun in action? Are they
> quieter than the Moulinex?
>
>
>

Your 3-pringed outlets are most likely 110-115 volt "grounded" outlets,
unless it's an outlet for an electric range. 220 volt current is not
typically installed in US homes except for major appliances like ranges,
electric dryers, etc. The typical household refrigerator uses 110-115 volt
power.

--
Wayne Boatwright

(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
__________________________________________________ ____________

It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
.184...
> Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 06:35:34a, cybercat meant to say...
>
>>
>>
>
> Your 3-pringed outlets are most likely 110-115 volt "grounded" outlets,
> unless it's an outlet for an electric range. 220 volt current is not
> typically installed in US homes except for major appliances like ranges,
> electric dryers, etc. The typical household refrigerator uses 110-115
> volt
> power.
>

Ahh, I see. Well, I could always grind the meat down in the utility room,
probably the best place for it. It's a kind of "mud room" off of the back
yard, with a huge old freezer and an extra refrigerator. There is also
one of the really big three-prong outlets upstairs in the master, where
someone apparently had a window AC unit.

The question is, do US distributors sell 220 volt meat grinders?

Others who use electric grinders, what do you think about all of this?

Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 06:48:09a, cybercat meant to say...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> .184...
>> Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 06:35:34a, cybercat meant to say...
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Your 3-pringed outlets are most likely 110-115 volt "grounded" outlets,
>> unless it's an outlet for an electric range. 220 volt current is not
>> typically installed in US homes except for major appliances like ranges,
>> electric dryers, etc. The typical household refrigerator uses 110-115
>> volt power.
>>
>
> Ahh, I see. Well, I could always grind the meat down in the utility room,
> probably the best place for it. It's a kind of "mud room" off of the back
> yard, with a huge old freezer and an extra refrigerator. There is also
> one of the really big three-prong outlets upstairs in the master, where
> someone apparently had a window AC unit.
>
> The question is, do US distributors sell 220 volt meat grinders?
>
> Others who use electric grinders, what do you think about all of this?
>
>
>

Take a look at this site, Cybercat. They carry both 110 and 220 volt
equipment. Honestly, though, I think you could do well with a good quality
110 volt unit, and some on this site are quite good.

You will sometimes see a prejudice against 110 volt appliances from folks
who live abroad.

--
Wayne Boatwright

(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
__________________________________________________ ____________

It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

"cybercat" > wrote in message
>
> The question is, do US distributors sell 220 volt meat grinders?
>
> Others who use electric grinders, what do you think about all of this?

220V is used for heavy duty stuff. If you are doing 100 or more pounds at a
time it would be useful because you can power a 3 HP motor. Not needed for
home use.

cybercat > wrote:

> The question is, do US distributors sell 220 volt meat grinders?

Yes, they do, for example
<http://www.newkunst.com/cat.asp?mCat=Small%20Appliance&sCat=Meat%20Grinder >.
This is just an example, not a personal recommendation, as I do not know
anything about this particular retailer.

Victor

"cybercat" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
>
> "Victor Sack" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> cybercat > wrote:
>
>> I'd look at electric grinders. In the USA, the choice is between those
>> operating at 110 V and those at 220-240 V. If you only have a 110 V
>> outlet to use for a grinder, you are screwed. Last I looked (a couple
>> of years ago), there was only one 110 V grinder (a Panasonic model with
>> no reverse function) that was not manufactured in China/Laogai. In the
>> 220-240 V category, there was a choice of producing countries.
>>
>> Here in Germany (where 220-240 V is standard), I have been using a
>> Moulinex model (Charlotte 4) for decades. It is a good mincer, but so
>> loud, in spite of its mere 150 W, it is shaking the house foundations.
>> I am now considering a very good Kenwood MG470 (or MG510, or MG520), or
>> Braun Power Plus 1300 (also labelled G1300K). In the USA, they can be
>> found for around $140 or less. These models are probably the best for
>> non-professional use.
>>
>
> Very good information, Victor. I have a two three-prong outlets (I guess
> that's 220-240 V) in my little kitchen. Anyone with a fridge should have
> at least one.

Unfortunately, that only means that they are grounded 110 outlets. The 220
is quite distinctive and impossible to plug a 110 appliance into. Look at
your dryer plug if you have one. That's almost always 220.


--
http://www.judithgreenwood.com

"Giusi" > wrote
> Unfortunately, that only means that they are grounded 110 outlets. The
> 220 is quite distinctive and impossible to plug a 110 appliance into.
> Look at your dryer plug if you have one. That's almost always 220.
>

Thanks, I really know nothing about such things. Obviously,

"Giusi" > wrote

> Unfortunately, that only means that they are grounded 110 outlets. The
> 220 is quite distinctive and impossible to plug a 110 appliance into.
> Look at your dryer plug if you have one. That's almost always 220.

Make that electric dryers.

nancy

In article >, "cybercat" >
wrote:

> "Victor Sack" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > cybercat > wrote:
>
> > I'd look at electric grinders. In the USA, the choice is between those
> > operating at 110 V and those at 220-240 V. If you only have a 110 V
> > outlet to use for a grinder, you are screwed. Last I looked (a couple
> > of years ago), there was only one 110 V grinder (a Panasonic model with
> > no reverse function) that was not manufactured in China/Laogai. In the
> > 220-240 V category, there was a choice of producing countries.
> >
> > Here in Germany (where 220-240 V is standard), I have been using a
> > Moulinex model (Charlotte 4) for decades. It is a good mincer, but so
> > loud, in spite of its mere 150 W, it is shaking the house foundations.
> > I am now considering a very good Kenwood MG470 (or MG510, or MG520), or
> > Braun Power Plus 1300 (also labelled G1300K). In the USA, they can be
> > found for around $140 or less. These models are probably the best for
> > non-professional use.
> >
>
> Very good information, Victor. I have a two three-prong outlets (I guess
> that's 220-240 V)

Huh?? I have at least one three-prong plug in my life -- e.g., the
power cord for my computer has three prongs. And the power strip that
it's plugged into has outlets that will accommodate three-prong plugs.
The power strip plugs into the wall outlet with a three-prong plug.

None are 220V, though; they're all 110V.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Notes about our meals in Tuscany have been posted to
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com; 10-16-2007

cybercat > wrote:

> Have you actually heard the Kenwood or Braun in action? Are they
> quieter than the Moulinex?

Yes, they are noticeably quieter than my ancient Moulinex, even though
they are rather more powerful. I do not know if they are quite enough
for your cats, though. :-)

Victor

"Victor Sack" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat > wrote:
>
>> Have you actually heard the Kenwood or Braun in action? Are they
>> quieter than the Moulinex?
>
> Yes, they are noticeably quieter than my ancient Moulinex, even though
> they are rather more powerful. I do not know if they are quite enough
> for your cats, though. :-)
>

haha, those little Nervous Nellies need to toughen up!

Victor Sack wrote:
> cybercheap wrote:
> > What I want it for is grinding 4-5 lbs of beef max for burgers and meatloaf,
> > at least for now. I'm sure I will find other uses for it after it arrives.
>
> I'd look at electric grinders. In the USA, the choice is between those
> operating at 110 V and those at 220-240 V. If you only have a 110 V
> outlet to use for a grinder, you are screwed. Last I looked (a couple
> of years ago), there was only one 110 V grinder (a Panasonic model with
> no reverse function) that was not manufactured in China/Laogai. In the
> 220-240 V category, there was a choice of producing countries.
>
> Here in Germany (where 220-240 V is standard), I have been using a
> Moulinex model (Charlotte 4) for decades. It is a good mincer, but so
> loud, in spite of its mere 150 W, it is shaking the house foundations.
> I am now considering a very good Kenwood MG470 (or MG510, or MG520), or
> Braun Power Plus 1300 (also labelled G1300K). In the USA, they can be
> found for around $140 or less. These models are probably the best for
> non-professional use.
>
> Victor

In Europe people are more concerned about energy consumption but less
concerned about appliance longevity, that's why the higher voltage/low
wattage motors... with higher voltage the small motor produces higher
torque while consuming less power, but strains which is why there's
more noise and the motor life it greatly reduced. Remember, wattage
is power *consumed*, NOT power produced... with energy use and power
production there is never anything for free, there are no bonuses.
Europe is also cheating it's energy consumers... it's much less
expensive to transmit higher voltage electric, but they save on not
using step down transformers but instead let the consumer pay in short
lived appliances. In the US there's a step down transformer feeding
nearly every residence, those pieces of equipment are expensive, to
manufacture, to install and maintain... and yes the consumer picks up
that tab in their utility bill but the appliances they buy last much
longer and also cost less to buy, they are also safer to operate, and
higher voltage is especially damaging to solid state electronic
equipment. The US power grid is far more modern than anything in
Europe... the Europeans really haven't upgraded much since before AC
(alternating current), essentially they are still using their ancient
DC (direct current) grid.

In the US only very large commercial grinders require 240V, they are
rated in horsepower (power produced/available), not watts...
commercial appliances use much higher quality motors (more/heavier
windings, etc), far quieter relative to power produced. With many
commercial appliances one can specify voltage when ordering and many
are produced with dual voltage capability (115V or 220V). But no one
needs a small commercial grinder (weighing some 40-80 pounds) for home
use... commercial grinders not only produce more shaft torque
(horsepower) they are designed to operate 24/7. At the very large
commercial meat grinding plants they use grinders as large as cement
trucks, I'd not be surprised were they operating at 440V and producing
50, 75, even 100 horsepower... but those are 10 cow/min machines.

For home use most any small electric grinder will be adequate (the
kitchen aid attachment is much too tiny to be considered a grnder, if
you don't already have one do not buy one). After much investigation
I think the Waring Pro is the best deal for the buck, has more than
adequate power, is large enough to produce a high quality grind, small
enough to store most anywhere, light enough for easy carrying, and
priced so it won't break the bank... plus it has a smooth sleek
stainless steel housing for easy cleaning and it looks nice. Caution:
with all grinding heads do NOT put in dishwasher, wash by hand only...
takes no longer to hand wash a grinder head than to hand wash two
dinner plates... the motor housing just needs a quick wipe with a damp
towel... if you're a normal neat worker (don't have that awful mental
illness of not being able to control themselves from constantly
touching everything with dirty hands) that part rarely needs any
cleaning, just occasional dusting.

A meat grinder will more than pay for itself the first year just in
that you will no longer be ordering burgers or any ground meat dish at
restaurant prices (you ate your last meata ball at at the dago-
teria).... and you'll much more often cook with ground meat instead of
more expensive cuts... I actually more enjoy a 12 ounce ground round
steak that cost like $3/lb than a $8-$10/lb porterhouse... ground beef
has no waste, is easy to cook, and easy to eat... no fat or bone to
deal with. And beef you grind yourself you can cook as rare as you
like... but most important you'll know exactly what/who is in it.

But if you buy some stoopid hand crank grinder regardless the low
price it will be a total waste of money because you will only use it
once, maybe, if you can even figure out where to set it up... and it's
best you can't figure it out becaues it's better you never use it...
just look at those things, they have no feed tube, just a wide mouthed
very shallow hopper, the fercocktah thing will frustrate and make you
irate to where you lose your concentration and attack that stoopid
thing with a vengence... odds are with the very first use you will
amputate a finger... you will probably become hysterical once you
realize you ground your **** finger into the bowl before you knew you
lopped it off, you won't even feel it... you won't realize you lopped
off your finger until you go to grab the next handful of meat and you
can't pick it up... you'll even wonder why those hunks of meat keep
slipping through your fingers until you realize there's a space there
that wasn't there before... your mind won't want to believe it, yolu
will go into shock, and only many hours later when you wake up in the
hospital and see your hand all bandaged will it sink in, and then the
doctor will say you're lucky it was only two fingers.. of course they
couldn't sew them back with micro surgery, you ground your own fingers
into hamburger.

Yoose still want to buy a hand grinder... they don't call it a "hand
grinder" for nuthin ya know.

Sheldon