"Kswck" > wrote in message
...
> Yes and for grinding pork for sausage.
>

How much beef, say, do you grind at a time?

"Victor Sack" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat > wrote:
>
>> Have you actually heard the Kenwood or Braun in action? Are they
>> quieter than the Moulinex?
>
> Yes, they are noticeably quieter than my ancient Moulinex, even though
> they are rather more powerful. I do not know if they are quite enough
> for your cats, though. :-)
>

haha, those little Nervous Nellies need to toughen up!

Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:

> "Victor Sack" > wrote in message
> >
> > It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
> > home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced.
>
> No, it is about the practicality and sensibility of using 220V in a typical
> USA home kitchen. It is just not needed and is very rare to find a 220V
> circuit in a home kitchen..

You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
older ones. There are three wires coming into the house: two 110/120V
ones and the middle "common" which is attached to the cold water pipe
(but there is also a fourth, "ground" wire). The two 110/120V wires put
together can always be used to run 220/240V appliances - that is how you
can run electric dryers, ranges, or central air-conditioning. It is the
actual outlets/breakers combining those two 110/240V wires that may be
lacking. However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
seen them myself. The question here is solely whether they are already
availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

Victor

Sheldon wrote:
> On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T > wrote:
>> In article . com>,
>> says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you flabby
>>>> old Queen.)
>>>> This one looks good:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>> securely fastened to something.
>>> N.
>> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
>> to move that much.
>
> You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>

You should consider leaving this group for a long time, asshole.

Really.

"Victor Sack" > wrote in message
...
> Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> "Victor Sack" > wrote in message
>> >
>> > It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
>> > home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced.

>
> You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.

Thanks, but I don't need your pity.



>
> Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
> possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
> rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
> Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.

Your choice.

>
> As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
> default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
> older ones.

No shit. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.
Commercial, yes. You can get all the power you need from a typical 110V
grinder.


> There are three wires coming into the house: two 110/120V
> ones and the middle "common" which is attached to the cold water pipe
> (but there is also a fourth, "ground" wire).

Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
more.


> However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
> seen them myself.

Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.

>The question here is solely whether they are already
> availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
> grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.

As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Victor Sack" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> "Victor Sack" > wrote in message
>>>> It is not about the power at all. There is nothing wrong with 110V for
>>>> home use. It is about where and by whom 110V-grinders are produced.
>
>> You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.
>
> Thanks, but I don't need your pity.
>
>
>
>> Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
>> possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
>> rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
>> Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.
>
> Your choice.
>
>> As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
>> default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
>> older ones.
>
> No shit. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
> kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.
> Commercial, yes. You can get all the power you need from a typical 110V
> grinder.
>
>
>> There are three wires coming into the house: two 110/120V
>> ones and the middle "common" which is attached to the cold water pipe
>> (but there is also a fourth, "ground" wire).
>
> Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
> more.
>
>
>> However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
>> seen them myself.
>
> Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.
>
>> The question here is solely whether they are already
>> availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
>> grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.
>
> As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
> reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.
>
>


I would *love* to have a 220V outlet in my kitchen, and one of those
British 3500+ watt electric kettles that will boil a liter of water in
20 seconds. But i can't find one of the kettles, and it doesn't make
sense to wire the new outlet until I can actually use it.

Bob

DumbDan wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> >>
> > You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>
> You should consider leaving this group for a long time, asshole.

What long time... will take me only about an hour to give your
sister's asshole a good grinding, honing, and lapping... they don't
call me asshole pro for nothing ya know... you got a daughter, if
she's got tits I'll toss her asshole reaming in for free.

Ahll be bach!

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

Sheldon Arrrnold

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
...
> Sheldon wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T > wrote:
>>> In article . com>,
>>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>>>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you
>>>>> flabby
>>>>> old Queen.)
>>>>> This one looks good:
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>>> securely fastened to something.
>>>> N.
>>> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
>>> to move that much.
>>
>> You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>>
>
> You should consider leaving this group for a long time, asshole.
>
> Really.

Dan?

Sheldon is an asshole, for sure. But you are an asshole too.
Different style, same content. Really.

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> DumbDan wrote:
>> Sheldon wrote:
>> >>
>> > You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>>
>> You should consider leaving this group for a long time, asshole.
>
> What long time... will take me only about an hour to give your
> sister's asshole a good grinding, honing, and lapping... they don't
> call me asshole pro for nothing ya know... you got a daughter, if
> she's got tits I'll toss her asshole reaming in for free.
>
> Ahll be bach!
>
> Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .
>
> Sheldon Arrrnold
>

Sheldon. Someone may take you out of this world if you are not careful.
You're just a chewed little bone of a no-dick old guy, after all.

Just looking out for you.

Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:

> "Victor Sack" > wrote
> >
> > You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.
>
> Thanks, but I don't need your pity.

Here it is anyway, no need to thank me.

> > Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
> > possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
> > rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
> > Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.
>
> Your choice.

Your reply says rather a lot about *your* choice.

> > As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
> > default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
> > older ones.
>
> No shit. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
> kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.

So, if you used to wire houses, it should be obvious to you that most
every US kitchen does have a 220V line. Those two 110V wires add up to
220V. And a lot of those typical kitchens even have at least one
ready-to-use 220V outlet. Into what do you think all those electric
ranges and ovens are plugged.... the owner's derrière?

> Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
> more.

Back to hauling buckets of water from the village well? :-)

> > However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
> > seen them myself.
>
> Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.

And those ranges, as well as ovens, are usually installed in the
kitchen.

> >The question here is solely whether they are already
> > availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
> > grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.
>
> As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
> reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.

This subthread alone proves you wrong. If one wants to avoid buying a
meat grinder possibly manufactured in the Laogai, one's only real choice
is a 220V grinder. And there is no need to install a 220V line, just an
extra outlet.

Victor

zxcvbob > wrote:

> I would *love* to have a 220V outlet in my kitchen, and one of those
> British 3500+ watt electric kettles that will boil a liter of water in
> 20 seconds.

I am not aware of any 3500+ Watt kettles. Who produces them?

I have a Russell Hobbs 3000 Watt kettle here. It does boil water
amazingly fast, but not in 20 seconds.

Victor

Victor Sack wrote:
> zxcvbob > wrote:
>
>> I would *love* to have a 220V outlet in my kitchen, and one of those
>> British 3500+ watt electric kettles that will boil a liter of water in
>> 20 seconds.
>
> I am not aware of any 3500+ Watt kettles. Who produces them?
>
> I have a Russell Hobbs 3000 Watt kettle here. It does boil water
> amazingly fast, but not in 20 seconds.
>
> Victor


I was exaggerating just a little. 3kw is probably about right.

Bob

cybercat wrote:
> "Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
> ...
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T > wrote:
>>>> In article . com>,
>>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>>>>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>>>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you
>>>>>> flabby
>>>>>> old Queen.)
>>>>>> This one looks good:
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>>>> securely fastened to something.
>>>>> N.
>>>> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is going
>>>> to move that much.
>>> You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>>>
>> You should consider leaving this group for a long time, asshole.
>>
>> Really.
>
> Dan?
>
> Sheldon is an asshole, for sure. But you are an asshole too.
> Different style, same content. Really.
>
>

No, my style is MUCH different.

Really.

"Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
...
> cybercat wrote:
>> "Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T > wrote:
>>>>> In article . com>,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>>>>>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>>>>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you
>>>>>>> flabby
>>>>>>> old Queen.)
>>>>>>> This one looks good:
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>>>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>>>>> securely fastened to something.
>>>>>> N.
>>>>> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is
>>>>> going
>>>>> to move that much.
>>>> You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>>>>
>>> You should consider leaving this group for a long time, asshole.
>>>
>>> Really.
>>
>> Dan?
>>
>> Sheldon is an asshole, for sure. But you are an asshole too.
>> Different style, same content. Really.
>
> No, my style is MUCH different.
>
> Really.

That's what I said.

Really.

In article >,
says...
> Edwin Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > "Victor Sack" > wrote
> > >
> > > You didn't get it. Pity, in more sense than one.
> >
> > Thanks, but I don't need your pity.
>
> Here it is anyway, no need to thank me.
>
> > > Personally, I would never even consider buying anything that was
> > > possibly manufactured in China/Laogai. If faced with no choice, I would
> > > rather buy that reverseless Panasonic, or else a German-, Czech-, or
> > > Polish-made manual grinder. Or do without.
> >
> > Your choice.
>
> Your reply says rather a lot about *your* choice.
>
> > > As to 220/240V circuits in US homes, they are actually there quasi by
> > > default - 220/240 volts is the basic service into most US houses, except
> > > older ones.
> >
> > No shit. I've wired a few houses in my day. My point is, the typical US
> > kitchen does not have a 22V line and there is realy no need for one.
>
> So, if you used to wire houses, it should be obvious to you that most
> every US kitchen does have a 220V line. Those two 110V wires add up to
> 220V. And a lot of those typical kitchens even have at least one
> ready-to-use 220V outlet. Into what do you think all those electric
> ranges and ovens are plugged.... the owner's derrière?
>
> > Victor, you really should learn the code. We don't use water pipes any
> > more.
>
> Back to hauling buckets of water from the village well? :-)
>
> > > However, the outlets *are* available in many houses and I have
> > > seen them myself.
> >
> > Yes, for dryers, ranges, large air conditioners.
>
> And those ranges, as well as ovens, are usually installed in the
> kitchen.
>
> > >The question here is solely whether they are already
> > > availalble or can be easily installed in a particular house where a meat
> > > grinder or another 220/240V appliance is desired.
> >
> > As I stated, the question is one of practicality. There is no logical
> > reason to install a 220 line in a US kitchen for appliance use.
>
> This subthread alone proves you wrong. If one wants to avoid buying a
> meat grinder possibly manufactured in the Laogai, one's only real choice
> is a 220V grinder. And there is no need to install a 220V line, just an
> extra outlet.
>
> Victor
>

Victor, usually they use two phases of the power line to create a 220V
circuit. I believe most U.S. power is distributed as 3 phase Y.

The reason you split across phases is so that all the current isn't off
one particular leg of the circuit.

T > wrote:
:>

:Victor, usually they use two phases of the power line to create a 220V
:circuit. I believe most U.S. power is distributed as 3 phase Y.

No. They don't. Unless you've got three-phase power, you've got a
single phase. In the US and Canada, it's distributed as 240V three
wires. The two hot wires are 120 V from ground, the third is earthed.

:The reason you split across phases is so that all the current isn't off
ne particular leg of the circuit.

The power company does this roughly be giving every fourth house the
same phase.

cybercat wrote:
> "Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
> ...
>> cybercat wrote:
>>> "Dan" <intrceptor@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 3, 4:45?pm, T > wrote:
>>>>>> In article . com>,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 7:25 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>>>>>>>> Some input would be nice, from those of you who may be so inclined.
>>>>>>>> (Except you, Sheldon, you stupid old dickhead. And you Morrow, you
>>>>>>>> flabby
>>>>>>>> old Queen.)
>>>>>>>> This one looks good:
>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29479d
>>>>>>> What are you going to fasten it to? You can't use it unless it's
>>>>>>> securely fastened to something.
>>>>>>> N.
>>>>>> It's cast iron, I doubt if you plunk it down somewhere that it is
>>>>>> going
>>>>>> to move that much.
>>>>> You've obviously never used a hand grinder.
>>>>>
>>>> You should consider leaving this group for a long time, asshole.
>>>>
>>>> Really.
>>> Dan?
>>>
>>> Sheldon is an asshole, for sure. But you are an asshole too.
>>> Different style, same content. Really.
>> No, my style is MUCH different.
>>
>> Really.
>
> That's what I said.
>
> Really.
>
>

Really?