Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:27:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:17:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 10:14:19p, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>>
>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 02 Nov 2007 04:44:28p, Bobo Bonobo® meant to
>>>>>> say...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been in
>>>>>>> the trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had gotten
>>>>>>> hot enough in there to break down the aspartame, because it was
>>>>>>> completely not sweet. So I added some Splenda to it, and it was
>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>> In fact, it tasted better than usual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sad to say, perhaps, but I loathe all diet sodas. Unfortunate,
>>>>>> too, because it would be nice to drink a soda without the calories.
>>>>>> I just can't stand the taste, or even the smell and I can always
>>>>>> tell. Friends have tried to fool me, but they've never succeeded.
>>>>>> I drink the occasional "real" Coke, but mostly I drink unsweetened
>>>>>> iced tea or unsweetened iced coffee with cream.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I can't stand diet pop either. I occasionally will have a coke (not
>>>>> pepsi!) or a peach or redpop faygo, but that's only a few times a
>>>>> month. I used to go through a 2-liter a day with my ex husband. Yuk!
>>>>>
>>>> My choices almost exactly, but very rarely. Real Coca Cola, Nehi
>>>> Peach, but Vess Red Cream Soda, IMO far better than Red Pop. Also,
>>>> impossible to find these days.
>>>>
>>> Well Detroit is all about Vernors (amazing with vanilla ice cream!,
>>> even though it's not carbonated enough now) and Faygo. GOtta like
>>> something about this town :>
>>>
>>
>> Geez, I forgot all about Vernor's. I spent most of my life in
>> Cleveland and Vernor's was a staple there. I really liked it at one
>> time, but haven't had it in years.
>>
>
> It makes every ginger pop I've had (besides reed's, which is a totally
> different kind of thing) pale by comparison.
>

Indeed it does. When we first moved to Cleveland in 1957, and I had my
first taste of Vernor's, I though, "so this is ginger ale". Before that I
think I had only had Canada Dry and wasn't very impressed. I'm not
familiar with Reed's.

--
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:27:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:17:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>
>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 10:14:19p, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 02 Nov 2007 04:44:28p, Bobo Bonobo® meant to
>>>>>>> say...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been in
>>>>>>>> the trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had gotten
>>>>>>>> hot enough in there to break down the aspartame, because it was
>>>>>>>> completely not sweet. So I added some Splenda to it, and it was
>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>> In fact, it tasted better than usual.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sad to say, perhaps, but I loathe all diet sodas. Unfortunate,
>>>>>>> too, because it would be nice to drink a soda without the calories.
>>>>>>> I just can't stand the taste, or even the smell and I can always
>>>>>>> tell. Friends have tried to fool me, but they've never succeeded.
>>>>>>> I drink the occasional "real" Coke, but mostly I drink unsweetened
>>>>>>> iced tea or unsweetened iced coffee with cream.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't stand diet pop either. I occasionally will have a coke (not
>>>>>> pepsi!) or a peach or redpop faygo, but that's only a few times a
>>>>>> month. I used to go through a 2-liter a day with my ex husband. Yuk!
>>>>>>
>>>>> My choices almost exactly, but very rarely. Real Coca Cola, Nehi
>>>>> Peach, but Vess Red Cream Soda, IMO far better than Red Pop. Also,
>>>>> impossible to find these days.
>>>>>
>>>> Well Detroit is all about Vernors (amazing with vanilla ice cream!,
>>>> even though it's not carbonated enough now) and Faygo. GOtta like
>>>> something about this town :>
>>>>
>>> Geez, I forgot all about Vernor's. I spent most of my life in
>>> Cleveland and Vernor's was a staple there. I really liked it at one
>>> time, but haven't had it in years.
>>>
>> It makes every ginger pop I've had (besides reed's, which is a totally
>> different kind of thing) pale by comparison.
>>
>
> Indeed it does. When we first moved to Cleveland in 1957, and I had my
> first taste of Vernor's, I though, "so this is ginger ale". Before that I
> think I had only had Canada Dry and wasn't very impressed. I'm not
> familiar with Reed's.
>

http://www.reedsgingerbrew.com/

their ice cream is good, too.

--

Sarah Gray

Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:47:49a, Sarah Gray meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:27:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:17:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>>
>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 10:14:19p, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 02 Nov 2007 04:44:28p, Bobo Bonobo® meant to
>>>>>>>> say...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been in
>>>>>>>>> the trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had gotten
>>>>>>>>> hot enough in there to break down the aspartame, because it was
>>>>>>>>> completely not sweet. So I added some Splenda to it, and it was
>>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>> In fact, it tasted better than usual.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sad to say, perhaps, but I loathe all diet sodas. Unfortunate,
>>>>>>>> too, because it would be nice to drink a soda without the
>>>>>>>> calories.
>>>>>>>> I just can't stand the taste, or even the smell and I can always
>>>>>>>> tell. Friends have tried to fool me, but they've never succeeded.
>>>>>>>> I drink the occasional "real" Coke, but mostly I drink
>>>>>>>> unsweetened iced tea or unsweetened iced coffee with cream.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't stand diet pop either. I occasionally will have a coke
>>>>>>> (not pepsi!) or a peach or redpop faygo, but that's only a few
>>>>>>> times a month. I used to go through a 2-liter a day with my ex
>>>>>>> husband. Yuk!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My choices almost exactly, but very rarely. Real Coca Cola, Nehi
>>>>>> Peach, but Vess Red Cream Soda, IMO far better than Red Pop. Also,
>>>>>> impossible to find these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well Detroit is all about Vernors (amazing with vanilla ice cream!,
>>>>> even though it's not carbonated enough now) and Faygo. GOtta like
>>>>> something about this town :>
>>>>>
>>>> Geez, I forgot all about Vernor's. I spent most of my life in
>>>> Cleveland and Vernor's was a staple there. I really liked it at one
>>>> time, but haven't had it in years.
>>>>
>>> It makes every ginger pop I've had (besides reed's, which is a totally
>>> different kind of thing) pale by comparison.
>>>
>>
>> Indeed it does. When we first moved to Cleveland in 1957, and I had my
>> first taste of Vernor's, I though, "so this is ginger ale". Before
>> that I think I had only had Canada Dry and wasn't very impressed. I'm
>> not familiar with Reed's.
>>
>
> http://www.reedsgingerbrew.com/
>
> their ice cream is good, too.
>

Well, from the store locator, it's certainly available in my area
(Phoenix). Guess I've just never noticed it. Although I'm not a big soda
drinker anymore. I'll have to try it now just out of curiosity.

Thanks, Sarah.

--
Wayne Boatwright

(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
__________________________________________________ ____________

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:47:49a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:27:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>
>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:17:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 10:14:19p, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 02 Nov 2007 04:44:28p, Bobo Bonobo® meant to
>>>>>>>>> say...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been in
>>>>>>>>>> the trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had gotten
>>>>>>>>>> hot enough in there to break down the aspartame, because it was
>>>>>>>>>> completely not sweet. So I added some Splenda to it, and it was
>>>>>>>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>>>> In fact, it tasted better than usual.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sad to say, perhaps, but I loathe all diet sodas. Unfortunate,
>>>>>>>>> too, because it would be nice to drink a soda without the
>>>>>>>>> calories.
>>>>>>>>> I just can't stand the taste, or even the smell and I can always
>>>>>>>>> tell. Friends have tried to fool me, but they've never succeeded.
>>>>>>>>> I drink the occasional "real" Coke, but mostly I drink
>>>>>>>>> unsweetened iced tea or unsweetened iced coffee with cream.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't stand diet pop either. I occasionally will have a coke
>>>>>>>> (not pepsi!) or a peach or redpop faygo, but that's only a few
>>>>>>>> times a month. I used to go through a 2-liter a day with my ex
>>>>>>>> husband. Yuk!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My choices almost exactly, but very rarely. Real Coca Cola, Nehi
>>>>>>> Peach, but Vess Red Cream Soda, IMO far better than Red Pop. Also,
>>>>>>> impossible to find these days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well Detroit is all about Vernors (amazing with vanilla ice cream!,
>>>>>> even though it's not carbonated enough now) and Faygo. GOtta like
>>>>>> something about this town :>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Geez, I forgot all about Vernor's. I spent most of my life in
>>>>> Cleveland and Vernor's was a staple there. I really liked it at one
>>>>> time, but haven't had it in years.
>>>>>
>>>> It makes every ginger pop I've had (besides reed's, which is a totally
>>>> different kind of thing) pale by comparison.
>>>>
>>> Indeed it does. When we first moved to Cleveland in 1957, and I had my
>>> first taste of Vernor's, I though, "so this is ginger ale". Before
>>> that I think I had only had Canada Dry and wasn't very impressed. I'm
>>> not familiar with Reed's.
>>>
>> http://www.reedsgingerbrew.com/
>>
>> their ice cream is good, too.
>>
>
> Well, from the store locator, it's certainly available in my area
> (Phoenix). Guess I've just never noticed it. Although I'm not a big soda
> drinker anymore. I'll have to try it now just out of curiosity.
>
> Thanks, Sarah.
>

no problem. I checked to see if they had it in AZ before Iposted the link

--

Sarah Gray

On Nov 3, 1:40 pm, Tracy R. > wrote:

> Anecdotal evidence is a funny thing. For 40 years, my grandmother
> played canasta once a week with the same group of ladies; one of them,
> Paula, smoked like a chimney. All the other ladies fussed at her and
> told her the cigarettes were going to kill her; she kept smoking three
> packs a day despite their dire warnings. I saw her again a couple of
> years ago at Grandma's funeral. She was still a heavy smoker. She was
> also the only one of the "canasta girls" still alive

American cigarets put out more second-hand smoke than the smoker
inhales into their own lungs. Sitting around at a canasta table
with a smoker for 40 years is plenty of exposure.

S.

On Nov 3, 11:14 pm, Sarah Gray > wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:28 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> >> The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been in the
> >> trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had gotten hot
> >> enough in there to break down the aspartame, because it was completely
> >> not sweet. So I added some Splenda to it, and it was fine. In fact,
> >> it tasted better than usual.
>
> > I can't believe all the bitching you do about processed foods and
> > here you are loading up on aspartame and Splenda.
>
> > -sw
>
> twas what I was thinking
>
If anyone were to provide convincing evidence that aspartame and/or
sucralose were unhealthy, I wouldn't use them. My objection to
"processed foods" is aesthetic. There's nothing less healthful about
jarred mayo or onion soup mix than using fresh, it's just a matter of
crappiness. As far as the partially hydrogenated oils go, that is
beyond the doubt of almost any halfway knowledgable person.

Artificial sweeteners seem to be a pretty positive thing, health-
wise. I find most grapefruit pretty unappealing w/o sugar or Splenda,
and grapefruit is a good-for-you thing. Tell you what, provide
evidence that any particular sweetener is bad, and I'll embrace that
knowledge.
>
> Sarah Gray

--Bryan

Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:58:00a, Sarah Gray meant to say...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:47:49a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:27:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>>
>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:17:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 10:14:19p, Sarah Gray meant to
>>>>>>>> say...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 02 Nov 2007 04:44:28p, Bobo Bonobo® meant to
>>>>>>>>>> say...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been
>>>>>>>>>>> in the trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had
>>>>>>>>>>> gotten hot enough in there to break down the aspartame,
>>>>>>>>>>> because it was completely not sweet. So I added some Splenda
>>>>>>>>>>> to it, and it was fine.
>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, it tasted better than usual.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sad to say, perhaps, but I loathe all diet sodas. Unfortunate,
>>>>>>>>>> too, because it would be nice to drink a soda without the
>>>>>>>>>> calories.
>>>>>>>>>> I just can't stand the taste, or even the smell and I can
>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>> tell. Friends have tried to fool me, but they've never
>>>>>>>>>> succeeded. I drink the occasional "real" Coke, but mostly I
>>>>>>>>>> drink unsweetened iced tea or unsweetened iced coffee with
>>>>>>>>>> cream.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can't stand diet pop either. I occasionally will have a coke
>>>>>>>>> (not pepsi!) or a peach or redpop faygo, but that's only a few
>>>>>>>>> times a month. I used to go through a 2-liter a day with my ex
>>>>>>>>> husband. Yuk!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My choices almost exactly, but very rarely. Real Coca Cola, Nehi
>>>>>>>> Peach, but Vess Red Cream Soda, IMO far better than Red Pop.
>>>>>>>> Also, impossible to find these days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well Detroit is all about Vernors (amazing with vanilla ice
>>>>>>> cream!, even though it's not carbonated enough now) and Faygo.
>>>>>>> GOtta like something about this town :>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geez, I forgot all about Vernor's. I spent most of my life in
>>>>>> Cleveland and Vernor's was a staple there. I really liked it at
>>>>>> one time, but haven't had it in years.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It makes every ginger pop I've had (besides reed's, which is a
>>>>> totally different kind of thing) pale by comparison.
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed it does. When we first moved to Cleveland in 1957, and I had
>>>> my first taste of Vernor's, I though, "so this is ginger ale".
>>>> Before that I think I had only had Canada Dry and wasn't very
>>>> impressed. I'm not familiar with Reed's.
>>>>
>>> http://www.reedsgingerbrew.com/
>>>
>>> their ice cream is good, too.
>>>
>>
>> Well, from the store locator, it's certainly available in my area
>> (Phoenix). Guess I've just never noticed it. Although I'm not a big
>> soda drinker anymore. I'll have to try it now just out of curiosity.
>>
>> Thanks, Sarah.
>>
>
> no problem. I checked to see if they had it in AZ before Iposted the
> link
>

Thanks, Sarah. That was very thoughtful.

--
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(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
__________________________________________________ ____________

It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:39:28 GMT, in rec.food.cooking, Wayne Boatwright
wrote:

>Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:58:00a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:47:49a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>
>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:27:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 12:17:53a, Sarah Gray meant to say...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 10:14:19p, Sarah Gray meant to
>>>>>>>>> say...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh pshaw, on Fri 02 Nov 2007 04:44:28p, Bobo Bonobo® meant to
>>>>>>>>>>> say...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had
>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten hot enough in there to break down the aspartame,
>>>>>>>>>>>> because it was completely not sweet. So I added some Splenda
>>>>>>>>>>>> to it, and it was fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, it tasted better than usual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sad to say, perhaps, but I loathe all diet sodas. Unfortunate,
>>>>>>>>>>> too, because it would be nice to drink a soda without the
>>>>>>>>>>> calories.
>>>>>>>>>>> I just can't stand the taste, or even the smell and I can
>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>> tell. Friends have tried to fool me, but they've never
>>>>>>>>>>> succeeded. I drink the occasional "real" Coke, but mostly I
>>>>>>>>>>> drink unsweetened iced tea or unsweetened iced coffee with
>>>>>>>>>>> cream.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can't stand diet pop either. I occasionally will have a coke
>>>>>>>>>> (not pepsi!) or a peach or redpop faygo, but that's only a few
>>>>>>>>>> times a month. I used to go through a 2-liter a day with my ex
>>>>>>>>>> husband. Yuk!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My choices almost exactly, but very rarely. Real Coca Cola, Nehi
>>>>>>>>> Peach, but Vess Red Cream Soda, IMO far better than Red Pop.
>>>>>>>>> Also, impossible to find these days.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well Detroit is all about Vernors (amazing with vanilla ice
>>>>>>>> cream!, even though it's not carbonated enough now) and Faygo.
>>>>>>>> GOtta like something about this town :>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geez, I forgot all about Vernor's. I spent most of my life in
>>>>>>> Cleveland and Vernor's was a staple there. I really liked it at
>>>>>>> one time, but haven't had it in years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It makes every ginger pop I've had (besides reed's, which is a
>>>>>> totally different kind of thing) pale by comparison.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed it does. When we first moved to Cleveland in 1957, and I had
>>>>> my first taste of Vernor's, I though, "so this is ginger ale".
>>>>> Before that I think I had only had Canada Dry and wasn't very
>>>>> impressed. I'm not familiar with Reed's.
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.reedsgingerbrew.com/
>>>>
>>>> their ice cream is good, too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, from the store locator, it's certainly available in my area
>>> (Phoenix). Guess I've just never noticed it. Although I'm not a big
>>> soda drinker anymore. I'll have to try it now just out of curiosity.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Sarah.
>>>
>>
>> no problem. I checked to see if they had it in AZ before Iposted the
>> link
>>
>
>Thanks, Sarah. That was very thoughtful.

It's good with duck.
Duckling L' Vernors

1 (approximately 4-pound) duck
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon pepper
2 (12-ounce) bottles ginger ale
1 teaspoon gingerroot, sliced
1 cup orange juice
1/2 cup firmly packed brown sugar
1/2 cup orange marmalade
2 tablespoons prepared brown mustard
1 tablespoon green onion, chopped
2 tablespoons brandy
3 tablespoons brandy
1 orange, sliced

1. Rinse, trim and quarter duck; pat dry. Place skin side down on a
roasting pan, sprinkle with salt, and pepper. Bake in a 350 degree oven
for 50 minutes.
2. Meanwhile, in a saucepan combine together ginger ale with sliced
ginger root; bring to a boil, reduce heat and simmer until reduced to
about 1 cup. Add in orange juice, brown sugar, orange marmalade, prepared
brown mustard, chopped green onions, and 2 tablespoons brandy. Bring to a
boil, reduce the heat, and simmer until the mixture is a thin syrup, about
20 to 25 minutes. Remove the ginger.
3. Turn the duck skin side up, drain any fat, and baste thoroughly with
the sauce. Return to the oven and bake another 45 minutes, basting every
10 minutes. Add 3 tablespoon brandy to the remaining sauce and simmer
until thickened. Remove duck to a serving platter and pour on the sauce.
Garnish with sliced orange.

You can use chicken instead, but I've never done that. The duck version is
great. I have also seen this said: "If you can't get Vernor's Ginger ale,
use regular ginger ale but double the amount of fresh ginger to 4 slices,
and add a dash of vanilla to the orange juice."

Doug
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Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 05:45:44a, Doug Weller meant to say...

> It's good with duck.
> Duckling L' Vernors
>
> 1 (approximately 4-pound) duck
> 1/2 teaspoon salt
> 1/4 teaspoon pepper
> 2 (12-ounce) bottles ginger ale
> 1 teaspoon gingerroot, sliced
> 1 cup orange juice
> 1/2 cup firmly packed brown sugar
> 1/2 cup orange marmalade
> 2 tablespoons prepared brown mustard
> 1 tablespoon green onion, chopped
> 2 tablespoons brandy
> 3 tablespoons brandy
> 1 orange, sliced
>
> 1. Rinse, trim and quarter duck; pat dry. Place skin side down on a
> roasting pan, sprinkle with salt, and pepper. Bake in a 350 degree oven
> for 50 minutes.
> 2. Meanwhile, in a saucepan combine together ginger ale with sliced
> ginger root; bring to a boil, reduce heat and simmer until reduced to
> about 1 cup. Add in orange juice, brown sugar, orange marmalade, prepared
> brown mustard, chopped green onions, and 2 tablespoons brandy. Bring to a
> boil, reduce the heat, and simmer until the mixture is a thin syrup,
about
> 20 to 25 minutes. Remove the ginger.
> 3. Turn the duck skin side up, drain any fat, and baste thoroughly
with
> the sauce. Return to the oven and bake another 45 minutes, basting every
> 10 minutes. Add 3 tablespoon brandy to the remaining sauce and simmer
> until thickened. Remove duck to a serving platter and pour on the sauce.
> Garnish with sliced orange.
>
> You can use chicken instead, but I've never done that. The duck version
is
> great. I have also seen this said: "If you can't get Vernor's Ginger ale,
> use regular ginger ale but double the amount of fresh ginger to 4 slices,
> and add a dash of vanilla to the orange juice."
>
> Doug
>

I'd have never thought about it, but I bet it's delicious. Could probably
also be used with Cornish hens. Saved for future. Thanks, Doug.

--
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__________________________________________________ ____________

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Doug wrote about Vernor's:

> It's good with duck.
> Duckling L' Vernors
>
> 1 (approximately 4-pound) duck
> 1/2 teaspoon salt
> 1/4 teaspoon pepper
> 2 (12-ounce) bottles ginger ale
> 1 teaspoon gingerroot, sliced
> 1 cup orange juice
> 1/2 cup firmly packed brown sugar
> 1/2 cup orange marmalade
> 2 tablespoons prepared brown mustard
> 1 tablespoon green onion, chopped
> 2 tablespoons brandy
> 3 tablespoons brandy
> 1 orange, sliced
>
> 1. Rinse, trim and quarter duck; pat dry. Place skin side down on a
> roasting pan, sprinkle with salt, and pepper. Bake in a 350 degree oven
> for 50 minutes.
> 2. Meanwhile, in a saucepan combine together ginger ale with sliced
> ginger root; bring to a boil, reduce heat and simmer until reduced to
> about 1 cup. Add in orange juice, brown sugar, orange marmalade, prepared
> brown mustard, chopped green onions, and 2 tablespoons brandy. Bring to a
> boil, reduce the heat, and simmer until the mixture is a thin syrup, about
> 20 to 25 minutes. Remove the ginger.
> 3. Turn the duck skin side up, drain any fat, and baste thoroughly with
> the sauce. Return to the oven and bake another 45 minutes, basting every
> 10 minutes. Add 3 tablespoon brandy to the remaining sauce and simmer
> until thickened. Remove duck to a serving platter and pour on the sauce.
> Garnish with sliced orange.
>
> You can use chicken instead, but I've never done that. The duck version is
> great. I have also seen this said: "If you can't get Vernor's Ginger ale,
> use regular ginger ale but double the amount of fresh ginger to 4 slices,
> and add a dash of vanilla to the orange juice."


I've heard that many people use Vernor's to glaze hams. Looking at the
recipe above, I think I could just use ham or pork instead of duck, and it
would probably come out very well.

Bob

Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 05:58:19a, Bob Terwilliger meant to say...

> Doug wrote about Vernor's:
>
>> It's good with duck.
>> Duckling L' Vernors
>>
>> 1 (approximately 4-pound) duck
>> 1/2 teaspoon salt
>> 1/4 teaspoon pepper
>> 2 (12-ounce) bottles ginger ale
>> 1 teaspoon gingerroot, sliced
>> 1 cup orange juice
>> 1/2 cup firmly packed brown sugar
>> 1/2 cup orange marmalade
>> 2 tablespoons prepared brown mustard
>> 1 tablespoon green onion, chopped
>> 2 tablespoons brandy
>> 3 tablespoons brandy
>> 1 orange, sliced
>>
>> 1. Rinse, trim and quarter duck; pat dry. Place skin side down on a
>> roasting pan, sprinkle with salt, and pepper. Bake in a 350 degree oven
>> for 50 minutes.
>> 2. Meanwhile, in a saucepan combine together ginger ale with sliced
>> ginger root; bring to a boil, reduce heat and simmer until reduced to
>> about 1 cup. Add in orange juice, brown sugar, orange marmalade,
prepared
>> brown mustard, chopped green onions, and 2 tablespoons brandy. Bring to
a
>> boil, reduce the heat, and simmer until the mixture is a thin syrup,
about
>> 20 to 25 minutes. Remove the ginger.
>> 3. Turn the duck skin side up, drain any fat, and baste thoroughly
with
>> the sauce. Return to the oven and bake another 45 minutes, basting every
>> 10 minutes. Add 3 tablespoon brandy to the remaining sauce and simmer
>> until thickened. Remove duck to a serving platter and pour on the sauce.
>> Garnish with sliced orange.
>>
>> You can use chicken instead, but I've never done that. The duck version
is
>> great. I have also seen this said: "If you can't get Vernor's Ginger
ale,
>> use regular ginger ale but double the amount of fresh ginger to 4
slices,
>> and add a dash of vanilla to the orange juice."
>
>
> I've heard that many people use Vernor's to glaze hams. Looking at the
> recipe above, I think I could just use ham or pork instead of duck, and
it
> would probably come out very well.
>
> Bob
>
>

I've not done it myself, but a friend in Cleveland always glazed her ham
with Vernor's. It was delicious!

--
Wayne Boatwright

(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
__________________________________________________ ____________

It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

"Sarah Gray" > wrote
>
> well, hell, anything's better than diet *anything*, in my opinion.

See, this is just not the way some of us feel. I really don't like water.
I still drink it, but I am just not going to drink the amount of plain
water I need in order to be healthy.

Diet Rite Tangerine Soda, with splenda? Fresh iced tea? Those
I will guzzle.

Since the point seems to be to get more hydration into people,
I think it's best they have stuff they actually like to drink around.

However, I do acknowledge that the artificial sweeteners may
be problematic. Under the Weird Stuff in Large Quantities
heading.

Sarah Gray wrote:

> Default User wrote:

> > I've been drinking diet sodas for 30 years. Why waste empty
> > calories on a sugar (or these days HFCS) solution, when you can
> > spend them on far tastier things?

> you could always drink water

I do drink water, quite a bit. I also enjoy diet sodas. I have a
minifridge at work, so I have nice selection and can have them when I
like.




Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

Sarah Gray wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
> >"Sarah Gray" > wrote in message
> ...

> > > you could always drink water
> > >
> >
> > What if he doesn't like water?
>
> well, hell, anything's better than diet anything, in my opinion.

Not, however, in my opinion. I generally find diet soda to be quite
tasty. Of course, I've been drinking it 30 years.

Water is adequate, but without substantive flavor.




Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

Toss in some Mentos! :-)

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
> On Nov 3, 11:14 pm, Sarah Gray > wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:28 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>>>> The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been in the
>>>> trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had gotten hot
>>>> enough in there to break down the aspartame, because it was completely
>>>> not sweet. So I added some Splenda to it, and it was fine. In fact,
>>>> it tasted better than usual.
>>> I can't believe all the bitching you do about processed foods and
>>> here you are loading up on aspartame and Splenda.
>>> -sw
>> twas what I was thinking
>>
> If anyone were to provide convincing evidence that aspartame and/or
> sucralose were unhealthy, I wouldn't use them. My objection to
> "processed foods" is aesthetic. There's nothing less healthful about
> jarred mayo or onion soup mix than using fresh, it's just a matter of
> crappiness. As far as the partially hydrogenated oils go, that is
> beyond the doubt of almost any halfway knowledgable person.
>
> Artificial sweeteners seem to be a pretty positive thing, health-
> wise. I find most grapefruit pretty unappealing w/o sugar or Splenda,
> and grapefruit is a good-for-you thing. Tell you what, provide
> evidence that any particular sweetener is bad, and I'll embrace that
> knowledge.
>> Sarah Gray
>
> --Bryan
>

I just think artificial sweeteners are gross.

--

Sarah Gray

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:59:13 -0400, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:28 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been in the
>>>trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had gotten hot
>>>enough in there to break down the aspartame, because it was completely
>>>not sweet. So I added some Splenda to it, and it was fine. In fact,
>>>it tasted better than usual.
>>>
>>>--Bryan
>>
>> good thing white trash never use splenda.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>
>Are Splenda and aspartame both a white powder?
>
>Dee Dee
>

beats the shit out of me. i use sugar.

your pal,
nature boy

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:13:10 -0700, oregon024 >
wrote:

>On Nov 3, 1:40 pm, Tracy R. > wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:30:51 -0400, "Dee.Dee" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >"Default User" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Damaeus wrote:
>>
>> >>> God, why would you want to? I know there are diabetics out there who
>> >>> have to limit their intake of regular sodas, but I think drinking
>> >>> drinks with aspartame is not a good idea.
>>
>> >> I've been drinking diet sodas for 30 years. Why waste empty calories on
>> >> a sugar (or these days HFCS) solution, when you can spend them on far
>> >> tastier things?
>>
>> >> Brian
>>
>> >I have a 'very-close' relative who smoked unfiltered cigarettes from age 15
>> >to age 89. It finally got him.
>> >Cigarettes are good for you, too.
>> >Dee Dee
>>
>> Anecdotal evidence is a funny thing. For 40 years, my grandmother
>> played canasta once a week with the same group of ladies; one of them,
>> Paula, smoked like a chimney. All the other ladies fussed at her and
>> told her the cigarettes were going to kill her; she kept smoking three
>> packs a day despite their dire warnings. I saw her again a couple of
>> years ago at Grandma's funeral. She was still a heavy smoker. She was
>> also the only one of the "canasta girls" still alive and, what's more,
>> she was still spry and in full possession of her mental faculties,
>> which is more than one could have said of Grandma in her last few
>> years. Funny how those things turn out sometimes, isn't it?
>>
>> As for the aspartame, my ob-gyn convinced me years ago to avoid it.
>> She was very concerned about it's long term effects.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tracy R.
>
>What is unusual is that some people seem to be addicted to it.
>I know one person who carries a huge 2L bottle of diet coke with him
>all the time. Another one carries a BAG with diet coke cans.
>If I tell them it is bad, they start screaming: "No evidence, it was
>approved by FDA". Trans fats and lots of other nasty things were also
>approved by FDA.
>What I mean, I have not seen ANYBODY carrying a 2L bottle of REGULAR
>coke EVERY day.
>It looks like some people cannot leave without it. On message boards
>there are posts like: "I will never stop drinking my diet coke". This
>unusual addiction is very strange to me. Nobody writes: "I will never
>stop my drinking orange juice."
>---

i've known a few people (all women) who were hung up on diet coke. if
i were paranoid, i'd think that the coke people put something in it,
like mcdougal's does with big macs.

your pal,
dick

blake murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:13:10 -0700, oregon024 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 3, 1:40 pm, Tracy R. > wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:30:51 -0400, "Dee.Dee" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Default User" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Damaeus wrote:
>>>>>> God, why would you want to? I know there are diabetics out there who
>>>>>> have to limit their intake of regular sodas, but I think drinking
>>>>>> drinks with aspartame is not a good idea.
>>>>> I've been drinking diet sodas for 30 years. Why waste empty calories on
>>>>> a sugar (or these days HFCS) solution, when you can spend them on far
>>>>> tastier things?
>>>>> Brian
>>>> I have a 'very-close' relative who smoked unfiltered cigarettes from age 15
>>>> to age 89. It finally got him.
>>>> Cigarettes are good for you, too.
>>>> Dee Dee
>>> Anecdotal evidence is a funny thing. For 40 years, my grandmother
>>> played canasta once a week with the same group of ladies; one of them,
>>> Paula, smoked like a chimney. All the other ladies fussed at her and
>>> told her the cigarettes were going to kill her; she kept smoking three
>>> packs a day despite their dire warnings. I saw her again a couple of
>>> years ago at Grandma's funeral. She was still a heavy smoker. She was
>>> also the only one of the "canasta girls" still alive and, what's more,
>>> she was still spry and in full possession of her mental faculties,
>>> which is more than one could have said of Grandma in her last few
>>> years. Funny how those things turn out sometimes, isn't it?
>>>
>>> As for the aspartame, my ob-gyn convinced me years ago to avoid it.
>>> She was very concerned about it's long term effects.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tracy R.
>> What is unusual is that some people seem to be addicted to it.
>> I know one person who carries a huge 2L bottle of diet coke with him
>> all the time. Another one carries a BAG with diet coke cans.
>> If I tell them it is bad, they start screaming: "No evidence, it was
>> approved by FDA". Trans fats and lots of other nasty things were also
>> approved by FDA.
>> What I mean, I have not seen ANYBODY carrying a 2L bottle of REGULAR
>> coke EVERY day.
>> It looks like some people cannot leave without it. On message boards
>> there are posts like: "I will never stop drinking my diet coke". This
>> unusual addiction is very strange to me. Nobody writes: "I will never
>> stop my drinking orange juice."
>> ---
>
> i've known a few people (all women) who were hung up on diet coke. if
> i were paranoid, i'd think that the coke people put something in it,
> like mcdougal's does with big macs.
>
> your pal,
> dick

I don't think it's the big macs, I think they stick it in the "big mac
sauce". I ask for it on a double cheeseburger on the rare occasions I go
there with my daughter.

--

Sarah Gray

Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 09:51:40a, meant to say...

> Toss in some Mentos! :-)
>

The first practical suggestion I've heard yet!

--
Wayne Boatwright

(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
__________________________________________________ ____________

It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

Oh pshaw, on Sun 04 Nov 2007 09:54:11a, Sarah Gray meant to say...

> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 11:14 pm, Sarah Gray > wrote:
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:28 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>>>>> The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been in the
>>>>> trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had gotten hot
>>>>> enough in there to break down the aspartame, because it was
completely
>>>>> not sweet. So I added some Splenda to it, and it was fine. In fact,
>>>>> it tasted better than usual.
>>>> I can't believe all the bitching you do about processed foods and
>>>> here you are loading up on aspartame and Splenda. -sw
>>> twas what I was thinking
>>>
>> If anyone were to provide convincing evidence that aspartame and/or
>> sucralose were unhealthy, I wouldn't use them. My objection to
>> "processed foods" is aesthetic. There's nothing less healthful about
>> jarred mayo or onion soup mix than using fresh, it's just a matter of
>> crappiness. As far as the partially hydrogenated oils go, that is
>> beyond the doubt of almost any halfway knowledgable person.
>>
>> Artificial sweeteners seem to be a pretty positive thing, health-
>> wise. I find most grapefruit pretty unappealing w/o sugar or Splenda,
>> and grapefruit is a good-for-you thing. Tell you what, provide evidence
>> that any particular sweetener is bad, and I'll embrace that knowledge.
>>> Sarah Gray
>>
>> --Bryan
>>
>
> I just think artificial sweeteners are gross.
>

I do use sucralose (Splenda) in some cooking that I do where it really
cannot be detected for itself. I never use it in beverages or in large
amounts.

--
Wayne Boatwright

(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
__________________________________________________ ____________

It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 05:59:13p, Dee.Dee meant to say...

>
> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:28 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been in the
>>>trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had gotten hot
>>>enough in there to break down the aspartame, because it was completely
>>>not sweet. So I added some Splenda to it, and it was fine. In fact,
>>>it tasted better than usual.
>>>
>>>--Bryan
>>
>> good thing white trash never use splenda.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>
> Are Splenda and aspartame both a white powder?
>
> Dee Dee
>
>
>
>

Yes, Dee, as are most other artificial sweetners.

--
Wayne Boatwright

(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
__________________________________________________ ____________

It's lonely at the top, but you eat better.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
3.184...
> Oh pshaw, on Sat 03 Nov 2007 05:59:13p, Dee.Dee meant to say...
>
>>
>> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:44:28 -0700, Bobo Bonobo® >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The only cold sodapop was the 2L of Diet Pepsi that had been in the
>>>>trunk of the car for a few weeks. Apparently, it had gotten hot
>>>>enough in there to break down the aspartame, because it was completely
>>>>not sweet. So I added some Splenda to it, and it was fine. In fact,
>>>>it tasted better than usual.
>>>>
>>>>--Bryan
>>>
>>> good thing white trash never use splenda.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>
>>
>> Are Splenda and aspartame both a white powder?
>>
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Yes, Dee, as are most other artificial sweetners.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright


Stevia is being used a lot -- I've heard -- in Japanese products and now in
American products more and more.
I've bought it and used it -- it seems as though what I bought was in a
liquid form, although it is probably sold in all forms.

Aren't they now adding it -- or it is Pepsi or Coke -- to diet drinks? don't
know.

I use so little sugar (so I think), that I just use (organic) sugar.
Dee Dee

On 4 Nov 2007 16:50:25 GMT, "Default User" > wrote:

>Sarah Gray wrote:
>
>> cybercat wrote:
>> >"Sarah Gray" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>> > > you could always drink water
>> > >
>> >
>> > What if he doesn't like water?
>>
>> well, hell, anything's better than diet anything, in my opinion.
>
>Not, however, in my opinion. I generally find diet soda to be quite
>tasty. Of course, I've been drinking it 30 years.
>
>Water is adequate, but without substantive flavor.
>
>
>
>
>Brian

Do this:

In a 64 ounce jug, mix 10 packets of nutra-Sweet, 1 packet of Fruit Punch Kool-Aid and
1 packet of Strawberry kool-Aid. Shake well.

I guarantee substantial flavor.

And yes I make it all summer.

When I want a fizzy drink it's diet Mountain Dew. Been drinking Mountain Dew since it
came out . Diet since I was diagnosed as pre-diabetic.

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:05:08 -0500, Sarah Gray
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:13:10 -0700, oregon024 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 3, 1:40 pm, Tracy R. > wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:30:51 -0400, "Dee.Dee" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Default User" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Damaeus wrote:
>>>>>>> God, why would you want to? I know there are diabetics out there who
>>>>>>> have to limit their intake of regular sodas, but I think drinking
>>>>>>> drinks with aspartame is not a good idea.
>>>>>> I've been drinking diet sodas for 30 years. Why waste empty calories on
>>>>>> a sugar (or these days HFCS) solution, when you can spend them on far
>>>>>> tastier things?
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>> I have a 'very-close' relative who smoked unfiltered cigarettes from age 15
>>>>> to age 89. It finally got him.
>>>>> Cigarettes are good for you, too.
>>>>> Dee Dee
>>>> Anecdotal evidence is a funny thing. For 40 years, my grandmother
>>>> played canasta once a week with the same group of ladies; one of them,
>>>> Paula, smoked like a chimney. All the other ladies fussed at her and
>>>> told her the cigarettes were going to kill her; she kept smoking three
>>>> packs a day despite their dire warnings. I saw her again a couple of
>>>> years ago at Grandma's funeral. She was still a heavy smoker. She was
>>>> also the only one of the "canasta girls" still alive and, what's more,
>>>> she was still spry and in full possession of her mental faculties,
>>>> which is more than one could have said of Grandma in her last few
>>>> years. Funny how those things turn out sometimes, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> As for the aspartame, my ob-gyn convinced me years ago to avoid it.
>>>> She was very concerned about it's long term effects.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tracy R.
>>> What is unusual is that some people seem to be addicted to it.
>>> I know one person who carries a huge 2L bottle of diet coke with him
>>> all the time. Another one carries a BAG with diet coke cans.
>>> If I tell them it is bad, they start screaming: "No evidence, it was
>>> approved by FDA". Trans fats and lots of other nasty things were also
>>> approved by FDA.
>>> What I mean, I have not seen ANYBODY carrying a 2L bottle of REGULAR
>>> coke EVERY day.
>>> It looks like some people cannot leave without it. On message boards
>>> there are posts like: "I will never stop drinking my diet coke". This
>>> unusual addiction is very strange to me. Nobody writes: "I will never
>>> stop my drinking orange juice."
>>> ---
>>
>> i've known a few people (all women) who were hung up on diet coke. if
>> i were paranoid, i'd think that the coke people put something in it,
>> like mcdougal's does with big macs.
>>
>> your pal,
>> dick
>
>I don't think it's the big macs, I think they stick it in the "big mac
>sauce". I ask for it on a double cheeseburger on the rare occasions I go
>there with my daughter.

yes, exactly.

your pal,
blake

Larry LaMere wrote:

> On 4 Nov 2007 16:50:25 GMT, "Default User" >
> wrote:
>
> > Sarah Gray wrote:
> >
> >> cybercat wrote:
> >> >"Sarah Gray" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >
> >> > > you could always drink water
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > What if he doesn't like water?
> >>
> >> well, hell, anything's better than diet anything, in my opinion.
> >
> > Not, however, in my opinion. I generally find diet soda to be quite
> > tasty. Of course, I've been drinking it 30 years.
> >
> > Water is adequate, but without substantive flavor.

> In a 64 ounce jug, mix 10 packets of nutra-Sweet, 1 packet of Fruit
> Punch Kool-Aid and 1 packet of Strawberry kool-Aid. Shake well.

Why, when I could just drink the diet soda I prefer?




Brian


--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

On 2007-11-02 21:46:56 -0700, "Julie Bove" > said:


>
> Uh oh. I see me an Aspartame troll!

I believe the term is "aspertool."




--
What do the fish remind you of?
Other Fish.
And what do the other fish remind you of?
Other fish.

- joseph heller, catch 22

On 5 Nov 2007 16:54:15 GMT, "Default User" > wrote:

>Larry LaMere wrote:
>
>> On 4 Nov 2007 16:50:25 GMT, "Default User" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Sarah Gray wrote:
>> >
>> >> cybercat wrote:
>> >> >"Sarah Gray" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >
>> >> > > you could always drink water
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > What if he doesn't like water?
>> >>
>> >> well, hell, anything's better than diet anything, in my opinion.
>> >
>> > Not, however, in my opinion. I generally find diet soda to be quite
>> > tasty. Of course, I've been drinking it 30 years.
>> >
>> > Water is adequate, but without substantive flavor.
>
>> In a 64 ounce jug, mix 10 packets of nutra-Sweet, 1 packet of Fruit
>> Punch Kool-Aid and 1 packet of Strawberry kool-Aid. Shake well.
>
>Why, when I could just drink the diet soda I prefer?
>
>
Stronger flavor

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Same here Brian. I also use a lot of Splenda in my every day kitchen
> routine. I'm diabetic and drinking regular soda would really cramp my
> style, glucose wise. Besides, I've been drinking diet soda for so many
> years, regular soda tastes sickeningly sweet to me. My taste buds have
> been well trained

Most of the time I drink lemon water that is sweetened with just a
little Splenda, and I also cook with Splenda. There are diabetics on
both sides of my family, so I have avoided sugar since I was in high
school. On special occasions and during the holidays, I will have a
treat, other than that, I avoid consuming sugar.

Becca

"Becca" > wrote in message
...
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
>> Same here Brian. I also use a lot of Splenda in my every day kitchen
>> routine. I'm diabetic and drinking regular soda would really cramp my
>> style, glucose wise. Besides, I've been drinking diet soda for so many
>> years, regular soda tastes sickeningly sweet to me. My taste buds have
>> been well trained
>
> Most of the time I drink lemon water that is sweetened with just a little
> Splenda, and I also cook with Splenda. There are diabetics on both sides
> of my family, so I have avoided sugar since I was in high school. On
> special occasions and during the holidays, I will have a treat, other than
> that, I avoid consuming sugar.
>

This lemon water sounds good! I will try it. I make iced coffee with
splenda and vanilla and 2% milk that tastes like Starbucks Frappacino.
It's dangerous if you're sensitive to caffeine though--like chugging
speed! I love Splenda, for me it has no aftertaste. If it turns out to be
harmful I will be in trouble. I keep a canister of Splenda next to the one
with sugar on my kitchen counter, but nobody but guests use the sugar.
Like you, I have avoided sugar since adolescence. We do have diabetics
in our family, but worse (to a teen) we have FAT people in the family!
I was not so much worried about disease as getting fat.

On Nov 7, 12:49 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Becca" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
> >> Same here Brian. I also use a lot of Splenda in my every day kitchen
> >> routine. I'm diabetic and drinking regular soda would really cramp my
> >> style, glucose wise. Besides, I've been drinking diet soda for so many
> >> years, regular soda tastes sickeningly sweet to me. My taste buds have
> >> been well trained
>
> > Most of the time I drink lemon water that is sweetened with just a little
> > Splenda, and I also cook with Splenda. There are diabetics on both sides
> > of my family, so I have avoided sugar since I was in high school. On
> > special occasions and during the holidays, I will have a treat, other than
> > that, I avoid consuming sugar.
>
> This lemon water sounds good! I will try it. I make iced coffee with
> splenda and vanilla and 2% milk that tastes like Starbucks Frappacino.
> It's dangerous if you're sensitive to caffeine though--like chugging
> speed! I love Splenda, for me it has no aftertaste. If it turns out to be
> harmful I will be in trouble. I keep a canister of Splenda next to the one
> with sugar on my kitchen counter, but nobody but guests use the sugar.
> Like you, I have avoided sugar since adolescence. We do have diabetics
> in our family, but worse (to a teen) we have FAT people in the family!
> I was not so much worried about disease as getting fat.

Obesity IS a disease.
Today, I went back on the diet. I want to lose at least 20 pounds by
late Spring, hopefully more. So far today, 3 cups of coffee with
Splenda and a little half & half, 1 small can of mushrooms, about a
tablespoon of flax seeds, and two chicken breasts, fried unbreaded in
peanut oil. Tomorrow morning I'm going to go buy a huge amount of
lettuce. I can happily eat lettuce with a tiny bit of fresh-squeezed
lemon and a light sprinkle of grated Parmesan.
I'm also going to buy in-the-shell sunflower seeds. They are the best
diet food.

--Bryan

In news:rec.food.cooking, "Dee.Dee" > posted on Sat, 3
Nov 2007 10:30:51 -0400:

> I have a 'very-close' relative who smoked unfiltered cigarettes from age 15
> to age 89. It finally got him.
> Cigarettes are good for you, too.

Yeah, the biggest cause of death in the world is birth.

Damaeus

In news:rec.food.cooking, "Default User" > posted
on 3 Nov 2007 16:51:48 GMT:

> What the hell are babbling about? I didn't use my experience to say
> that it was safe. I said, "why waste calories on sugar solution".
> There's no credible medical evidence that aspartame is detrimental to
> health, unlike with smoking.

Personal experience is evidence enough for me. The mild headache and mild
sense of intermittent vertigo I experience after eating aspartame is more
than enough evidene that I should avoid it.

Damaeus

Oh pshaw, on Wed 07 Nov 2007 09:04:14p, Damaeus meant to say...

> In news:rec.food.cooking, "Default User" > posted
> on 3 Nov 2007 16:51:48 GMT:
>
>> What the hell are babbling about? I didn't use my experience to say
>> that it was safe. I said, "why waste calories on sugar solution".
>> There's no credible medical evidence that aspartame is detrimental to
>> health, unlike with smoking.
>
> Personal experience is evidence enough for me. The mild headache and
mild
> sense of intermittent vertigo I experience after eating aspartame is more
> than enough evidene that I should avoid it.
>
> Damaeus
>

Perhaps so, but that doesn't mean it's a death threat.

--
Wayne Boatwright

(to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
__________________________________________________ ____________

Modem: What landscapers do to dem lawns.

In news:rec.food.cooking, Wayne Boatwright > posted
on Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:21:08 GMT:

> I'm positive that David, my SO, is addicted to Diet Pepsi. He rarely
> drinks anything else, except for juice and coffee in the morning, and
> sometimes he even foregoes those in preference to the Pepsi.

The ONLY thing my roommate drinks is Diet Dr. Pepper or unsweetened tea
with Sweet'n'Low in it. I've never seen him drink water. He's also on a
prescription drug cocktail consisting of about 13 different medications. He
takes them all with Diet Dr. Pepper.

> I've given up trying to point him toward a healthier direction. Last
> Christmas I bought him a glass door beverage refrigerator for his home
> office and it stays stocked to the brim with Diet Pepsi. If he even gets
> the least bit low on stocking it, he practically goes into a panic attack.
> :-(

Diet Pepsi. Gross. I don't even like regular Pepsi. To me, regular Pepsi
tastes like Diet Coke.

Damaeus

In news:rec.food.cooking, (Steve Pope) posted on
Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:06:09 +0000 (UTC):

> American cigarets put out more second-hand smoke than the smoker
> inhales into their own lungs. Sitting around at a canasta table
> with a smoker for 40 years is plenty of exposure.

Um... The smoker herself is inhaling not only the cigarette smoke directly
from the cigarette, but the second-hand smoke, too.

Damaeus

In news:rec.food.cooking, Sarah Gray > posted on
Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:05:08 -0500:

> I don't think it's the big macs, I think they stick it in the "big mac
> sauce". I ask for it on a double cheeseburger on the rare occasions I go
> there with my daughter.

You can get Big Mac sauce in a jar near the mayonnaise. It's simply called
Sandwich Spread, I believe. Looks a lot like thousand island dressing, but
the taste, while similar, isn't exactly the same.

Damaeus

Oh pshaw, on Wed 07 Nov 2007 09:07:49p, Damaeus meant to say...

> In news:rec.food.cooking, Wayne Boatwright >
> posted on Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:21:08 GMT:
>
>> I'm positive that David, my SO, is addicted to Diet Pepsi. He rarely
>> drinks anything else, except for juice and coffee in the morning, and
>> sometimes he even foregoes those in preference to the Pepsi.
>
> The ONLY thing my roommate drinks is Diet Dr. Pepper or unsweetened tea
> with Sweet'n'Low in it. I've never seen him drink water. He's also on
> a prescription drug cocktail consisting of about 13 different
> medications. He takes them all with Diet Dr. Pepper.
>
>> I've given up trying to point him toward a healthier direction. Last
>> Christmas I bought him a glass door beverage refrigerator for his home
>> office and it stays stocked to the brim with Diet Pepsi. If he even
>> gets the least bit low on stocking it, he practically goes into a panic
>> attack.
>> :-(
>
> Diet Pepsi. Gross. I don't even like regular Pepsi. To me, regular
> Pepsi tastes like Diet Coke.
>
> Damaeus
>

The only cola I like is regular Coca Cola, preferably from a fountain, not
in a can or bottle.

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Wayne Boatwright

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In news:rec.food.cooking, "cybercat" > posted on Sun,
4 Nov 2007 11:18:42 -0500:

> Diet Rite Tangerine Soda, with splenda? Fresh iced tea? Those
> I will guzzle.

I see nothing wrong with tea, especially if it's decaffeinated. Plus, the
water from fruits and vegetables counts as water and consumption of those
items will prevent the thirst that urges folks to drink sodas and water.

But I don't like Caffeine-Free Coke. That lacks the slightly bitter
element that makes regular Coke Classic so great.

Damaeus

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
> On Nov 7, 12:49 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
>> "Becca" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>> Same here Brian. I also use a lot of Splenda in my every day kitchen
>>>> routine. I'm diabetic and drinking regular soda would really cramp my
>>>> style, glucose wise. Besides, I've been drinking diet soda for so many
>>>> years, regular soda tastes sickeningly sweet to me. My taste buds have
>>>> been well trained
>>> Most of the time I drink lemon water that is sweetened with just a little
>>> Splenda, and I also cook with Splenda. There are diabetics on both sides
>>> of my family, so I have avoided sugar since I was in high school. On
>>> special occasions and during the holidays, I will have a treat, other than
>>> that, I avoid consuming sugar.
>> This lemon water sounds good! I will try it. I make iced coffee with
>> splenda and vanilla and 2% milk that tastes like Starbucks Frappacino.
>> It's dangerous if you're sensitive to caffeine though--like chugging
>> speed! I love Splenda, for me it has no aftertaste. If it turns out to be
>> harmful I will be in trouble. I keep a canister of Splenda next to the one
>> with sugar on my kitchen counter, but nobody but guests use the sugar.
>> Like you, I have avoided sugar since adolescence. We do have diabetics
>> in our family, but worse (to a teen) we have FAT people in the family!
>> I was not so much worried about disease as getting fat.
>
> Obesity IS a disease.
> Today, I went back on the diet. I want to lose at least 20 pounds by
> late Spring, hopefully more. So far today, 3 cups of coffee with
> Splenda and a little half & half, 1 small can of mushrooms, about a
> tablespoon of flax seeds, and two chicken breasts, fried unbreaded in
> peanut oil. Tomorrow morning I'm going to go buy a huge amount of
> lettuce. I can happily eat lettuce with a tiny bit of fresh-squeezed
> lemon and a light sprinkle of grated Parmesan.
> I'm also going to buy in-the-shell sunflower seeds. They are the best
> diet food.
>
> --Bryan
>

obesity may be a disease, but dieting is not good for you, either.

--

Sarah Gray