http://tinyurl.com/2umjze

Janet B. said...

> http://tinyurl.com/2umjze


A lot of finger pointing going on.

Some BS as well...


"The CDC estimates 76 million of the roughly 300 million people who live in
the United States get sick each year. More than 300,000 of those are
hospitalized, and about 5,000 people die from food-borne illnesses each
year."

Friggin' Kreatives!!!

Let's skip the CDC's useless grasp of math and just say:

"The CDC estimates about 5,000 people of roughly 300,000,000 in the US die
of food-borne illness each year."

That's such a minuscule percentage! Let's throw more money at meat and less
on curing HIV/AIDS, cancer, MS, Sickle Cell Anemia, Parkinson, etc.???

You have a friend at the CDC. NOT!!!

Imho,

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> Janet B. said...
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2umjze
>
>
> A lot of finger pointing going on.
>
> Some BS as well...
>
>
> "The CDC estimates 76 million of the roughly 300 million people who live
> in
> the United States get sick each year. More than 300,000 of those are
> hospitalized, and about 5,000 people die from food-borne illnesses each
> year."
>
> Friggin' Kreatives!!!
>
> Let's skip the CDC's useless grasp of math and just say:
>
> "The CDC estimates about 5,000 people of roughly 300,000,000 in the US die
> of food-borne illness each year."
>
> That's such a minuscule percentage! Let's throw more money at meat and
> less
> on curing HIV/AIDS, cancer, MS, Sickle Cell Anemia, Parkinson, etc.???
>
> You have a friend at the CDC. NOT!!!
>
> Imho,
>
> Andy

Hon, we're throwing money everywhere except where it is needed. I posted
the link because it demonstrates again that ultimately here is another
aspect of our government that has no one responsible entity. Our
government is so screwed up and piece-mealed that we need to scrap the whole
thing and start over from scratch.
Janet

"Janet B." wrote:
> "Andy" wrote:
> > Janet B. said...
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/2umjze
>
> > A lot of finger pointing going on.
>
> > Some BS as well...
>
> > "The CDC estimates 76 million of the roughly 300 million people who live
> > in
> > the United States get sick each year. More than 300,000 of those are
> > hospitalized, and about 5,000 people die from food-borne illnesses each
> > year."
>
> > Friggin' Kreatives!!!
>
> > Let's skip the CDC's useless grasp of math and just say:
>
> > "The CDC estimates about 5,000 people of roughly 300,000,000 in the US die
> > of food-borne illness each year."
>
> > That's such a minuscule percentage! Let's throw more money at meat and
> > less
> > on curing HIV/AIDS, cancer, MS, Sickle Cell Anemia, Parkinson, etc.???
>
> > You have a friend at the CDC. NOT!!!
>
> > Imho,
>
> > Andy
>
> Hon, we're throwing money everywhere except where it is needed. I posted
> the link because it demonstrates again that ultimately here is another
> aspect of our government that has no one responsible entity.

Have you ever considered the concept of being responsible for oneself.

> Our government is so screwed up and piece-mealed that we need to > scrap the whole thing and start over from scratch.

Wouldn't it be so much more efficient if yoose entitlement types
departed for greener pastures.

"Janet B." > wrote in message
...
> http://tinyurl.com/2umjze
>

I get into my email bi-weekly this newsletter as to what is going on in the
food world that one would want to be informed about. Everything is
documented AFAICT. It is not a newsletter pushing organics.

Here is the place to subscribe, if anyone is interested. I recommend it.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/organicbytes.cfm

Dee Dee

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
oups.com...
snip
>> Hon, we're throwing money everywhere except where it is needed. I posted
>> the link because it demonstrates again that ultimately here is another
>> aspect of our government that has no one responsible entity.
>
> Have you ever considered the concept of being responsible for oneself.
>
>> Our government is so screwed up and piece-mealed that we need to > scrap
>> the whole thing and start over from scratch.
>
> Wouldn't it be so much more efficient if yoose entitlement types
> departed for greener pastures.
>
Who's looking for entitlement? This horse of yours is getting tired. I
just think that if we are paying for it we should get intelligent value for
our money.
Janet

"Janet B." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>> Janet B. said...
>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2umjze
>>
>>
>> A lot of finger pointing going on.
>>
>> Some BS as well...
>>
>>
>> "The CDC estimates 76 million of the roughly 300 million people who live
>> in
>> the United States get sick each year. More than 300,000 of those are
>> hospitalized, and about 5,000 people die from food-borne illnesses each
>> year."
>>
>> Friggin' Kreatives!!!
>>
>> Let's skip the CDC's useless grasp of math and just say:
>>
>> "The CDC estimates about 5,000 people of roughly 300,000,000 in the US
>> die
>> of food-borne illness each year."
>>
>> That's such a minuscule percentage! Let's throw more money at meat and
>> less
>> on curing HIV/AIDS, cancer, MS, Sickle Cell Anemia, Parkinson, etc.???
>>
>> You have a friend at the CDC. NOT!!!
>>
>> Imho,
>>
>> Andy
>
> Hon, we're throwing money everywhere except where it is needed. I posted
> the link because it demonstrates again that ultimately here is another
> aspect of our government that has no one responsible entity. Our
> government is so screwed up and piece-mealed that we need to scrap the
> whole thing and start over from scratch.
> Janet

The argument that spending money for one thing, excludes spending for
another, is pretty naive. We have proved that there really is enough money
for everything; print some more. Get your politician to spend more for
'your' cause. It's that simple.
Dee Dee

In article >,
"Janet B." > wrote:


> Hon, we're throwing money everywhere except where it is needed. I posted
> the link because it demonstrates again that ultimately here is another
> aspect of our government that has no one responsible entity. Our
> government is so screwed up and piece-mealed that we need to scrap the whole
> thing and start over from scratch.

Good idea, but do you really think we'd end up with anything different?
I used to work for the feds. They came up with ZBB (zero based
budgeting). Start from scratch. That's right, throw away all of your
experience and knowledge! Start from scratch! Ok, how do you do that?
Well, first you take last year's budget, and then...

"Janet B." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> snip
>>> Hon, we're throwing money everywhere except where it is needed. I
>>> posted
>>> the link because it demonstrates again that ultimately here is another
>>> aspect of our government that has no one responsible entity.
>>
>> Have you ever considered the concept of being responsible for oneself.
>>
>>> Our government is so screwed up and piece-mealed that we need to > scrap
>>> the whole thing and start over from scratch.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be so much more efficient if yoose entitlement types
>> departed for greener pastures.
>>
> Who's looking for entitlement? This horse of yours is getting tired. I
> just think that if we are paying for it we should get intelligent value
> for our money.
> Janet

At noon today, it was announced (by President Bush - in person) that there
is going to be inspections in the country of origins -- the Govt is settting
up a PLAN to try to catch the problem foodstuffs at origin; I guess the FDA
is going to be involved.

Dee Dee

"Dee.Dee" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Janet B." > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> snip
>>>> Hon, we're throwing money everywhere except where it is needed. I
>>>> posted
>>>> the link because it demonstrates again that ultimately here is another
>>>> aspect of our government that has no one responsible entity.
>>>
>>> Have you ever considered the concept of being responsible for oneself.
>>>
>>>> Our government is so screwed up and piece-mealed that we need to >
>>>> scrap the whole thing and start over from scratch.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be so much more efficient if yoose entitlement types
>>> departed for greener pastures.
>>>
>> Who's looking for entitlement? This horse of yours is getting tired. I
>> just think that if we are paying for it we should get intelligent value
>> for our money.
>> Janet
>
> At noon today, it was announced (by President Bush - in person) that there
> is going to be inspections in the country of origins -- the Govt is
> settting up a PLAN to try to catch the problem foodstuffs at origin; I
> guess the FDA is going to be involved.
>
> Dee Dee
>
And how does he plan to do that with the 400 current inspectors? More trips
around the world for the untrained?
Janet

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Janet B." > wrote:
>
>
>> Hon, we're throwing money everywhere except where it is needed. I posted
>> the link because it demonstrates again that ultimately here is another
>> aspect of our government that has no one responsible entity. Our
>> government is so screwed up and piece-mealed that we need to scrap the
>> whole
>> thing and start over from scratch.
>
> Good idea, but do you really think we'd end up with anything different?
> I used to work for the feds. They came up with ZBB (zero based
> budgeting). Start from scratch. That's right, throw away all of your
> experience and knowledge! Start from scratch! Ok, how do you do that?
> Well, first you take last year's budget, and then...

Just another version of the corporate 5-year-plan. First you centralize
everything to make it more efficient and then 5 years later you decentralize
everything to make it more efficient. You're probably right, we're doomed,
there is no way out of this morass. But seriously, doesn't anyone in
government see anything strange about the fact that we have half as many
inspectors today as when the program was started in the '70's? And that our
imports and consumption has increased exponentially since then? Well, sure
they do, but there are these special interests that have to be taken care of
first.
Janet

Dee.Dee said...

> At noon today, it was announced (by President Bush - in person) that
> there is going to be inspections in the country of origins -- the Govt
> is settting up a PLAN to try to catch the problem foodstuffs at origin;
> I guess the FDA is going to be involved.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6VxWUz6BpU

"Janet B." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dee.Dee" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Janet B." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>> snip
>>>>> Hon, we're throwing money everywhere except where it is needed. I
>>>>> posted
>>>>> the link because it demonstrates again that ultimately here is another
>>>>> aspect of our government that has no one responsible entity.
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever considered the concept of being responsible for oneself.
>>>>
>>>>> Our government is so screwed up and piece-mealed that we need to >
>>>>> scrap the whole thing and start over from scratch.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be so much more efficient if yoose entitlement types
>>>> departed for greener pastures.
>>>>
>>> Who's looking for entitlement? This horse of yours is getting tired. I
>>> just think that if we are paying for it we should get intelligent value
>>> for our money.
>>> Janet
>>
>> At noon today, it was announced (by President Bush - in person) that
>> there is going to be inspections in the country of origins -- the Govt is
>> settting up a PLAN to try to catch the problem foodstuffs at origin; I
>> guess the FDA is going to be involved.
>>
>> Dee Dee
>>
> And how does he plan to do that with the 400 current inspectors? More
> trips around the world for the untrained?
> Janet


Sorry, you should not ask those questions.
Dee Dee

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> Dee.Dee said...
>
>> At noon today, it was announced (by President Bush - in person) that
>> there is going to be inspections in the country of origins -- the Govt
>> is settting up a PLAN to try to catch the problem foodstuffs at origin;
>> I guess the FDA is going to be involved.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6VxWUz6BpU
>


Whoever put this together missed the most important face of all. AFAIC.
Not tellin'.
Dee Dee

Dee.Dee said...

> Whoever put this together missed the most important face of all. AFAIC.
> Not tellin'.


Good ol' Donny Boy of course.

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> Dee.Dee said...
>
>> Whoever put this together missed the most important face of all. AFAIC.
>> Not tellin'.
>
>
> Good ol' Donny Boy of course.
>
> Andy

I'm afraid to ask, but here goes:
Who is "Donny Boy"?
Dee Dee

"Janet B." > wrote in message
...
>
> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> > Janet B. said...
> >
> >> http://tinyurl.com/2umjze
> >
> >
> > A lot of finger pointing going on.
> >
> > Some BS as well...
> >
> >
> > "The CDC estimates 76 million of the roughly 300 million people who live
> > in
> > the United States get sick each year. More than 300,000 of those are
> > hospitalized, and about 5,000 people die from food-borne illnesses each
> > year."
> >
> > Friggin' Kreatives!!!
> >
> > Let's skip the CDC's useless grasp of math and just say:
> >
> > "The CDC estimates about 5,000 people of roughly 300,000,000 in the US
die
> > of food-borne illness each year."
> >
> > That's such a minuscule percentage! Let's throw more money at meat and
> > less
> > on curing HIV/AIDS, cancer, MS, Sickle Cell Anemia, Parkinson, etc.???
> >
> > You have a friend at the CDC. NOT!!!
> >
> > Imho,
> >
> > Andy
>
> Hon, we're throwing money everywhere except where it is needed. I posted
> the link because it demonstrates again that ultimately here is another
> aspect of our government that has no one responsible entity. Our
> government is so screwed up and piece-mealed that we need to scrap the
whole
> thing and start over from scratch.
> Janet

I've been trying to tell people for years that the FDA is now being run for
the benefit of the industries they are supposed to regulate. They have
completely reversed their mission. The USDA absolutely does not exist as
any meaningful agency anymore. It is done and gone. They do *not* inspect
meat or meat packing houses. It is a thing of the past. They are now a PR
agency for the meat industry. When a meat company wants to advertise "USDA
inspected" they have to pay the agency to come and do a sham inspection,
after which the packer gets to use the label. But the USDA does not inspect
but 1 cow in 100,000 now and that includes almost no poultry.

Which is why we see a huge spike in the number of "reported" recalls. Not
all recalls are reported because the packers managed to delay the recall for
so long that none of the affected products existed anymore. They all had
been eaten. This latest recall was announced a couple days ago but the
contamination was discovered on October 2nd.

As for 5000 people dying needlessly from poisoned food, well I'll remind
dear Andy of that statement if the day comes when he is bleeding to death
through his anus while some mutant e-coli bacteria eats him alive and all
because he didn't send his hamburger off to a lab for tests before cooking
it.

This country used to be the world's leader in things like public health.
Now we're fast becoming the likes of China where life is cheaper than dirt
and saving a buck any way possible even illegally means more than the lives
of thousands of people.

Europe has extremely stringent standards for meat production and I don't see
them goose-stepping to the leftie hordes out to destroy good old fashioned
capitalism.

Paul

Dee.Dee said...

>
> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>> Dee.Dee said...
>>
>>> Whoever put this together missed the most important face of all.
AFAIC.
>>> Not tellin'.
>>
>>
>> Good ol' Donny Boy of course.
>>
>> Andy
>
> I'm afraid to ask, but here goes:
> Who is "Donny Boy"?
> Dee Dee


Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> Dee.Dee said...
>
>>
>> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>>> Dee.Dee said...
>>>
>>>> Whoever put this together missed the most important face of all.
> AFAIC.
>>>> Not tellin'.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good ol' Donny Boy of course.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> I'm afraid to ask, but here goes:
>> Who is "Donny Boy"?
>> Dee Dee
>
>
> Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.


I'd never heard that name for him.
Dee Dee

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:29:19 GMT, "Paul M. Cook"
> wrote:

>
>I've been trying to tell people for years that the FDA is now being run for
>the benefit of the industries they are supposed to regulate. They have
>completely reversed their mission. The USDA absolutely does not exist as
>any meaningful agency anymore. It is done and gone. They do *not* inspect
>meat or meat packing houses. It is a thing of the past. They are now a PR
>agency for the meat industry. When a meat company wants to advertise "USDA
>inspected" they have to pay the agency to come and do a sham inspection,
>after which the packer gets to use the label. But the USDA does not inspect
>but 1 cow in 100,000 now and that includes almost no poultry.
>

even the most incompetent u.s.d.a. inspector can tell a cow from a
chicken.

your pal,
blake

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
news:3q9Yi.4490$3j7.1482@trnddc02...


>Europe has extremely stringent standards for meat production and I don't
>see them """"""""goose-stepping to the leftie hordes out to destroy good
>old fashioned capitalism"""""

Damn, ya just gotta get a program to keep up with the Internet political
mind these days. I always thought it was the lefties screaming for
increased protection and the Capitalists screaming for self inspections.

"Gunner" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
> news:3q9Yi.4490$3j7.1482@trnddc02...
>
>
> >Europe has extremely stringent standards for meat production and I don't
> >see them """"""""goose-stepping to the leftie hordes out to destroy good
> >old fashioned capitalism"""""
>
> Damn, ya just gotta get a program to keep up with the Internet political
> mind these days. I always thought it was the lefties screaming for
> increased protection and the Capitalists screaming for self inspections.

The left screams for protections because they work. They have a history of
working and simultaneously not bringing the country to it's knees as the
capitalists always decry. When those protections are removed, industry goes
right back to what it always does. It tries to cut corners and get around
pesky things like food cleanliness any way they can and it is all so the CEO
can pocket millions of dollars. The fox can never be trusted to guard the
henhouse and the people that cause the problem in the first place cannot be
trusted to do the right thing.

Paul