Michael \"Dog3\" wrote:
>
> Arri London > dropped this news:473745BA.DABE3182
> @ic.ac.uk: in rec.food.cooking
>
> >
> >
> > Michael \"Dog3\" wrote:
> >>
> >> Sky > dropped this
> >> : in rec.food.cooking
> >>
> >> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh pshaw, on Sun 11 Nov 2007 12:16:56a, PeterLucas meant to say...
> >> >>
> >> >> > ravenlynne > wrote in news:fh697h1526
> >> >> > @news1.newsguy.com:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> There are some lovely salamis sold in the area..they don't seem
> to
> >> >> >> be refrigerated. I'd like to send one to my grandfather in the
> >> >> >> states as part of his christmas package...mail should take 1 to
> 2
> >> >> >> weeks to get there...is the feasible or should I look for
> >> >> >> something else? Any other edibles that can be shipped?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Salami would be great!! They last virtually forever.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wrap it in plastic and then foil, chuck it in with any other
> >> >> > goodies and away you go :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (And hope that the customs dogs don't get a whiff!!)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> That would have been my question... What are the customs
> >> >> regulations?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Wayne Boatwright
> >> >>
> >> >> (to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
> >> >
> >> > I recently checked with both the USPS (postal service) and US
> Customs
> >> > within in the past couple months - no meat products are allowed to
> be
> >> > shipped by individuals from other countries to persons in the US.
> >> >
> >> > Sky, who will someday try to make biltong at home with local meat(s)
> >>
> >> Hmmm... I read George's post too. Do you know when they began to
> enforce
> >> it? If that is the case then ordering sausages and cheese online from
> >> another country would be forbidden.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >
> > It *is* forbidden. Some things that were bought at 'duty free' shops
> are
> > allowed; those manufacturers are checked etc. Have relatives in several
> > countries and the problem is ongoing.
>
> Well, this is good information to have. I'll have to check it out
> further. I don't order a lot of sausage or cheese online from overseas
> but at least I know not to try it, for now.
>
> Michael
>
Most reputable overseas suppliers will tell customers what is or isn't
allowed in the country to which the products are meant to be shipped.
Same within the US...those people who ship out citrus fruits will tell
customers they cannot be shipped to Arizona and presumably California
and Florida.

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> PeterLucas > dropped this
> .25: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> I thought about it for a split second, but decided no........ you're too
>> much of a bitch :-)
>
> ROFL...
>
>>
>> Besides, you smoke enough...... you should be able to smoke your own
>> sausage.
>
> Seriously though, I make my own sausage sometimes. When I have the time to
> really concentrate on it the sausage is really very good.
>
> Michael
>

We went to the Euronics store in the nearby mall today and I saw the
meat grinder aisle and thought of this NG..there was a few rather
inexpensive ones (or at least I thought so...40-50 euro...)

--
-Gina in Italy

http://www.myspace.com/ravenlynne1975
I'm a blogger: http://ravenwolflodge.blogspot.com

ravenlynne wrote:
>
> Arri London wrote:
> >
> > Michael \"Dog3\" wrote:
> >> Sky > dropped this
> >> : in rec.food.cooking
> >>
> >>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>>> Oh pshaw, on Sun 11 Nov 2007 12:16:56a, PeterLucas meant to say...
> >>>>
> >>>>> ravenlynne > wrote in news:fh697h1526
> >>>>> @news1.newsguy.com:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> There are some lovely salamis sold in the area..they don't seem to
> >>>>>> be refrigerated. I'd like to send one to my grandfather in the
> >>>>>> states as part of his christmas package...mail should take 1 to 2
> >>>>>> weeks to get there...is the feasible or should I look for
> >>>>>> something else? Any other edibles that can be shipped?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Salami would be great!! They last virtually forever.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wrap it in plastic and then foil, chuck it in with any other
> >>>>> goodies and away you go :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (And hope that the customs dogs don't get a whiff!!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> That would have been my question... What are the customs
> >>>> regulations?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Wayne Boatwright
> >>>>
> >>>> (to e-mail me direct, replace cox dot net with gmail dot com)
> >>> I recently checked with both the USPS (postal service) and US Customs
> >>> within in the past couple months - no meat products are allowed to be
> >>> shipped by individuals from other countries to persons in the US.
> >>>
> >>> Sky, who will someday try to make biltong at home with local meat(s)
> >> Hmmm... I read George's post too. Do you know when they began to enforce
> >> it? If that is the case then ordering sausages and cheese online from
> >> another country would be forbidden.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >
> > It *is* forbidden. Some things that were bought at 'duty free' shops are
> > allowed; those manufacturers are checked etc. Have relatives in several
> > countries and the problem is ongoing.
>
> When we move from here, we are allowed to bring, in our household goods,
> cheeses, salamis etc...wonder why we can do that... but not mail....
>
> --
> -Gina in Italy

Military rules are always different in any country LOL! My Chinese
friends returning to Beijing were allowed to bring into China all sorts
of things through the government shipping agency. They would not have
been allowed to bring those things themselves.

Arri London wrote:
>
> Military rules are always different in any country LOL! My Chinese
> friends returning to Beijing were allowed to bring into China all sorts
> of things through the government shipping agency. They would not have
> been allowed to bring those things themselves.

The only thing we can't bring back are the local Nativity sets...there's
a moss that is on the sets that isn't allowed in the states. It's a
shame too...some of the sets are breathtaking.

--
-Gina in Italy

http://www.myspace.com/ravenlynne1975
I'm a blogger: http://ravenwolflodge.blogspot.com

Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> Arri London wrote:
>
> > ravenlynne wrote:
> >
> > > There are some lovely salamis sold in the area..they don't seem to be
> > > refrigerated. I'd like to send one to my grandfather in the states as
> > > part of his christmas package...mail should take 1 to 2 weeks to get
> > > there...is the feasible or should I look for something else? Any other
> > > edibles that can be shipped?
> >
> > > --
> > > -Gina in Italy
> >
> > Skip the salame! Customs will seize it since pork products aren't
> > allowed in, cooked or not. My elder bro had some taken away he tried to
> > bring back from Italy. Never mind the fact that such things don't cause
> > diseases in their places of origin.
>
> Trying to sneak in forbidden food products is a pretty shitty thing to
> do in any case, the regulations are in place for a good reason, they
> weren't dreamed up just to cause travelers problems.

That's hard to say of course LOL!

>
> Someone's smug little "victory" in evading the agricultural import
> regulations just might result in *many* millions of dollars being lost
> due to disease, livelehoods being ruined, etc....

It might but very rarely does. Keep in mind that airline staff aren't
usually subject to the same search-and-seize as the rest of us... The
agricultural 'pests' usually come as stowaways on planes and ships and
Customs isn't really so good at catching those.

>
> It's the sort of thing that ignorant <snip stupid insult> Worlders routinely try to
> do...

Ah but the usual commute I used to take between Europe and the US didn't
typically include anyone but Americans and some Europeans (depending on
direction). It was mostly the Americans who were having stuff taken away
upon entry into US Customs ports. Quite amusing to see them hastily
eating fruit/veg and processed meat products to prevent confiscation.
>
> Wasn't Australian poster Rhonda Anderson IIRC an agricultural
> inspector for Australian Customs? She had some pretty good - and
> scary - stories to tell about people trying to send forbidden
> foodstuffs in to Oz via the mails...

Yes indeed.
>
> > Send jams, pasta, tomato paste in a tube (yes it can be bought in the US
> > for extortionate prices), chocolates etc. Skip the meat products.
>
> Yep, there's PLENTY of great stuff besides meat products to send as a
> gift...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

Absolutely. I did send chocolates to some American friends. US Customs
had opened the main box (clearly labelled as to contents) and then
opened all the individual boxes inside as well as having snapped each
chocolate bar into pieces. The stuff was clean and allowable when it
left Europe but who knows with what it was infected after that sort of
mishandling? <LOL>

ravenlynne wrote:
>
> Arri London wrote:
> >
> > ravenlynne wrote:
> >> There are some lovely salamis sold in the area..they don't seem to be
> >> refrigerated. I'd like to send one to my grandfather in the states as
> >> part of his christmas package...mail should take 1 to 2 weeks to get
> >> there...is the feasible or should I look for something else? Any other
> >> edibles that can be shipped?
> >>
> >> --
> >> -Gina in Italy
> >>
> > Skip the salame! Customs will seize it since pork products aren't
> > allowed in, cooked or not. My elder bro had some taken away he tried to
> > bring back from Italy. Never mind the fact that such things don't cause
> > diseases in their places of origin.
> >
> > Send jams, pasta, tomato paste in a tube (yes it can be bought in the US
> > for extortionate prices), chocolates etc. Skip the meat products.
>
> I think that I've decided to do that anyway. Just to save on stress.
> Sweet stuff is always appreciated.
>
> --
> -Gina in Italy

A Singaporean friend of mine was asked if she had any food products in
her baggage at a US Customs port. Innocently she replied that she had
and showed a container of dried shredded pork she was bringing for a
friend. Of course it was seized immediately and she was dismissed. They
didn't take the other dried/smoked pork products in her bags; apparently
the single seizure made their quota for the day and they didn't search
for more! It seems stupid given that Singapore food regulations seem as
stringent as any.

ravenlynne > wrote in
:

> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> PeterLucas > dropped this
>> .25: in
>> rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> I thought about it for a split second, but decided no........ you're
>>> too much of a bitch :-)
>>
>> ROFL...
>>
>>>
>>> Besides, you smoke enough...... you should be able to smoke your own
>>> sausage.
>>
>> Seriously though, I make my own sausage sometimes. When I have the
>> time to really concentrate on it the sausage is really very good.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
> We went to the Euronics store in the nearby mall today and I saw the
> meat grinder aisle and thought of this NG..




Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, is that for making sausages, or body disposal? ;-)

margaret suran > wrote:

> Bubba, It was delicious, even if it took me a year or so to have enough
> courage to eat it! Thank you.

Ha! You ate it "as is", which was okay, but you should have sliced it,
fried the slices in a pan and served them with sauerkraut and mashed
potatoes.

That Saumagen was produced by Hambel, probably the best known butcher
specialising in such Palatinate delicacies. They are purveyors to
Helmut Kohl, among others. Kohl was the one who made Saumagen world
famous by serving it to everybody, from Margaret Thatcher to King of
Spain. See <http://www.metzgerei-hambel.de/>.

> Schaller & Weber has some, once in a while. I bought some, once. It is
> very different from the canned one, much fattier, but very good.

Yes, indeed, it is a whole 'nother thing. Hambel produces several
Saumagen varieties, big and small, too.

Bubba

ravenlynne wrote:
>
> Arri London wrote:
> >
> > Military rules are always different in any country LOL! My Chinese
> > friends returning to Beijing were allowed to bring into China all sorts
> > of things through the government shipping agency. They would not have
> > been allowed to bring those things themselves.
>
> The only thing we can't bring back are the local Nativity sets...there's
> a moss that is on the sets that isn't allowed in the states. It's a
> shame too...some of the sets are breathtaking.
>
> --
> -Gina in Italy

Can you take that moss off without ruining the set? Plenty of moss in
craft shops in the US.

PeterLucas wrote:
>> We went to the Euronics store in the nearby mall today and I saw the
>> meat grinder aisle and thought of this NG..
>
>
>
>
> Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, is that for making sausages, or body disposal? ;-)

Is there a difference?

--
-Gina in Italy

http://www.myspace.com/ravenlynne1975
I'm a blogger: http://ravenwolflodge.blogspot.com

Arri London wrote:
>
> ravenlynne wrote:
>> Arri London wrote:
>>> Military rules are always different in any country LOL! My Chinese
>>> friends returning to Beijing were allowed to bring into China all sorts
>>> of things through the government shipping agency. They would not have
>>> been allowed to bring those things themselves.
>> The only thing we can't bring back are the local Nativity sets...there's
>> a moss that is on the sets that isn't allowed in the states. It's a
>> shame too...some of the sets are breathtaking.
>>
>> --
>> -Gina in Italy
>
> Can you take that moss off without ruining the set? Plenty of moss in
> craft shops in the US.

I don't know, I didn't buy one since I couldn't keep it.

--
-Gina in Italy

http://www.myspace.com/ravenlynne1975
I'm a blogger: http://ravenwolflodge.blogspot.com

ravenlynne > wrote in
:

> PeterLucas wrote:
>>> We went to the Euronics store in the nearby mall today and I saw the
>>> meat grinder aisle and thought of this NG..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, is that for making sausages, or body disposal? ;-)
>
> Is there a difference?
>



All depends what sort of 'body' you're getting rid of :-)

It's like looking at an industrial wood chipper and thinking of certain
people ;-)

ravenlynne wrote:
>
> Arri London wrote:
> >
> > ravenlynne wrote:
> >> Arri London wrote:
> >>> Military rules are always different in any country LOL! My Chinese
> >>> friends returning to Beijing were allowed to bring into China all sorts
> >>> of things through the government shipping agency. They would not have
> >>> been allowed to bring those things themselves.
> >> The only thing we can't bring back are the local Nativity sets...there's
> >> a moss that is on the sets that isn't allowed in the states. It's a
> >> shame too...some of the sets are breathtaking.
> >>
> >> --
> >> -Gina in Italy
> >
> > Can you take that moss off without ruining the set? Plenty of moss in
> > craft shops in the US.
>
> I don't know, I didn't buy one since I couldn't keep it.
>
> --
> -Gina in Italy


Have a look and see how the moss is attached. Usually it's just glued on
and can be removed without damaging anything.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:05:43 -0700, Arri London >
wrote:

>
>
>Michael \"Dog3\" wrote:
>>

>>
>> Well, this is good information to have. I'll have to check it out
>> further. I don't order a lot of sausage or cheese online from overseas
>> but at least I know not to try it, for now.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>Most reputable overseas suppliers will tell customers what is or isn't
>allowed in the country to which the products are meant to be shipped.
>Same within the US...those people who ship out citrus fruits will tell
>customers they cannot be shipped to Arizona and presumably California
>and Florida.

this was my thought as well...otherwise nothing but headaches for
them.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:20:36 -0700, Arri London >
wrote:

>
>
>ravenlynne wrote:
>>
>> Arri London wrote:
>> >
>> > ravenlynne wrote:
>> >> There are some lovely salamis sold in the area..they don't seem to be
>> >> refrigerated. I'd like to send one to my grandfather in the states as
>> >> part of his christmas package...mail should take 1 to 2 weeks to get
>> >> there...is the feasible or should I look for something else? Any other
>> >> edibles that can be shipped?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> -Gina in Italy
>> >>
>> > Skip the salame! Customs will seize it since pork products aren't
>> > allowed in, cooked or not. My elder bro had some taken away he tried to
>> > bring back from Italy. Never mind the fact that such things don't cause
>> > diseases in their places of origin.
>> >
>> > Send jams, pasta, tomato paste in a tube (yes it can be bought in the US
>> > for extortionate prices), chocolates etc. Skip the meat products.
>>
>> I think that I've decided to do that anyway. Just to save on stress.
>> Sweet stuff is always appreciated.
>>
>> --
>> -Gina in Italy
>
>A Singaporean friend of mine was asked if she had any food products in
>her baggage at a US Customs port. Innocently she replied that she had
>and showed a container of dried shredded pork she was bringing for a
>friend. Of course it was seized immediately and she was dismissed. They
>didn't take the other dried/smoked pork products in her bags; apparently
>the single seizure made their quota for the day and they didn't search
>for more! It seems stupid given that Singapore food regulations seem as
>stringent as any.

i was thinking along those lines as well. one container of shredded
pork and a false bottom full of heroin.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:20:36 -0700, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >ravenlynne wrote:
> >>
> >> Arri London wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ravenlynne wrote:
> >> >> There are some lovely salamis sold in the area..they don't seem to be
> >> >> refrigerated. I'd like to send one to my grandfather in the states as
> >> >> part of his christmas package...mail should take 1 to 2 weeks to get
> >> >> there...is the feasible or should I look for something else? Any other
> >> >> edibles that can be shipped?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> -Gina in Italy
> >> >>
> >> > Skip the salame! Customs will seize it since pork products aren't
> >> > allowed in, cooked or not. My elder bro had some taken away he tried to
> >> > bring back from Italy. Never mind the fact that such things don't cause
> >> > diseases in their places of origin.
> >> >
> >> > Send jams, pasta, tomato paste in a tube (yes it can be bought in the US
> >> > for extortionate prices), chocolates etc. Skip the meat products.
> >>
> >> I think that I've decided to do that anyway. Just to save on stress.
> >> Sweet stuff is always appreciated.
> >>
> >> --
> >> -Gina in Italy
> >
> >A Singaporean friend of mine was asked if she had any food products in
> >her baggage at a US Customs port. Innocently she replied that she had
> >and showed a container of dried shredded pork she was bringing for a
> >friend. Of course it was seized immediately and she was dismissed. They
> >didn't take the other dried/smoked pork products in her bags; apparently
> >the single seizure made their quota for the day and they didn't search
> >for more! It seems stupid given that Singapore food regulations seem as
> >stringent as any.
>
> i was thinking along those lines as well. one container of shredded
> pork and a false bottom full of heroin.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Hey she wasn't the type. Think the punishment in Singapore for that sort
of thing is death anyway.

Arri London wrote:
>> i was thinking along those lines as well. one container of shredded
>> pork and a false bottom full of heroin.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Hey she wasn't the type. Think the punishment in Singapore for that sort
> of thing is death anyway.

I saw Brokedown Palace. I'm not even bringing aspirin to that country.

--
-Gina in Italy

http://www.myspace.com/ravenlynne1975
I'm a blogger: http://ravenwolflodge.blogspot.com

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 07:59:05 +0200, ravenlynne >
wrote:

>There are some lovely salamis sold in the area..they don't seem to be
>refrigerated. I'd like to send one to my grandfather in the states as
>part of his christmas package...mail should take 1 to 2 weeks to get
>there...is the feasible or should I look for something else? Any other
>edibles that can be shipped?

Two years ago, a friend of ours from Texas spent Christmas with us.
For his return trip (he was driving), we packed him a lunch which
included some roast turkey sandwiches, apple pie, etc. US Customs at
the Windsor/Detroit border crossing would not allow the turkey
sandwiches across the border and they were confiscated. Our friend was
told no meat products were allowed. Maybe the Customs guys were just
hungry.

Ross.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:41:42 -0700, Arri London >
wrote:

>
>
>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:20:36 -0700, Arri London >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >ravenlynne wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Arri London wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > ravenlynne wrote:
>> >> >> There are some lovely salamis sold in the area..they don't seem to be
>> >> >> refrigerated. I'd like to send one to my grandfather in the states as
>> >> >> part of his christmas package...mail should take 1 to 2 weeks to get
>> >> >> there...is the feasible or should I look for something else? Any other
>> >> >> edibles that can be shipped?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> -Gina in Italy
>> >> >>
>> >> > Skip the salame! Customs will seize it since pork products aren't
>> >> > allowed in, cooked or not. My elder bro had some taken away he tried to
>> >> > bring back from Italy. Never mind the fact that such things don't cause
>> >> > diseases in their places of origin.
>> >> >
>> >> > Send jams, pasta, tomato paste in a tube (yes it can be bought in the US
>> >> > for extortionate prices), chocolates etc. Skip the meat products.
>> >>
>> >> I think that I've decided to do that anyway. Just to save on stress.
>> >> Sweet stuff is always appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> -Gina in Italy
>> >
>> >A Singaporean friend of mine was asked if she had any food products in
>> >her baggage at a US Customs port. Innocently she replied that she had
>> >and showed a container of dried shredded pork she was bringing for a
>> >friend. Of course it was seized immediately and she was dismissed. They
>> >didn't take the other dried/smoked pork products in her bags; apparently
>> >the single seizure made their quota for the day and they didn't search
>> >for more! It seems stupid given that Singapore food regulations seem as
>> >stringent as any.
>>
>> i was thinking along those lines as well. one container of shredded
>> pork and a false bottom full of heroin.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>Hey she wasn't the type. Think the punishment in Singapore for that sort
>of thing is death anyway.

i thought that was for chewing gum. fine people, the singaporeans.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
"Giusi" > wrote:

> "Edwin Pawlowski" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> . ..
> >
> > "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> Trying to sneak in forbidden food products is a pretty shitty thing to
> >> do in any case, the regulations are in place for a good reason, they
> >> weren't dreamed up just to cause travelers problems.
> >>
> >> Someone's smug little "victory" in evading the agricultural import
> >> regulations just might result in *many* millions of dollars being lost
> >> due to disease, livelehoods being ruined, etc....
> >
> > Partly true. The regulations forbid the import of prosciutto because it
> > does not meet the USDA standards for meat curing. Even though it has been
> > made in Italy for a couple of thousands years, it is not good enough for
> > us.
> It can be imported, just not by the traveler.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._2/ai_61352853

It was banned in 1977. The ban was lifted a few years ago.

In article > ,
PeterLucas > wrote:


> There are *soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo* many loopholes and
> discrepencies in your importation laws, it's just not funny!!

Speaking of stupid, let's talk about airport security. I don't fly that
often, so I can't keep up. The rules are constantly changing. I and
relatives have had things confiscated. More often it's just the threat.
Nobody seems to understand that we are closing the barn door after the
animals have escaped. The terrorists are ten times smarter than airport
security. They aren't going to do that again. They will blow up a
bridge, or an office building.

Dan Abel > wrote in
:

> In article > ,
> PeterLucas > wrote:
>
>
>> There are *soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo* many loopholes and
>> discrepencies in your importation laws, it's just not funny!!
>
> Speaking of stupid, let's talk about airport security. I don't fly
> that often, so I can't keep up. The rules are constantly changing. I
> and relatives have had things confiscated. More often it's just the
> threat. Nobody seems to understand that we are closing the barn door
> after the animals have escaped. The terrorists are ten times smarter
> than airport security. They aren't going to do that again. They will
> blow up a bridge, or an office building.
>



You're not telling me anything new........ I've had my bestest 'wine
waiters friend' (wine bottle corkscrew) confiscated at one airport
(Canberra...... so it's probably being used in Parliament House as we
speak!!) and shortly thereafter, was able to go through *two* airports
security (Launceston and Melbourne) whilst carrying 2 very sharp knives in
my backpack!! (I had completely forgotten that I had put them in my daypak)

"Giusi" > wrote in message
>> Partly true. The regulations forbid the import of prosciutto because it
>> does not meet the USDA standards for meat curing. Even though it has
>> been made in Italy for a couple of thousands years, it is not good enough
>> for us.

> It can be imported, just not by the traveler.
>

Now it can be. It was forbidden completely for many years.

On Nov 12, 7:48 am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo(R) > dropped groups.com:in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>
>
> > Ever go to the Volpi store on The Hill?
>
> Oh Gawd yes! I try to avoid it when I'm on The Hill. I spend way too
> much money. For the life of me I can't remember the name of the grocery
> store on The Hill. I can take you there but I can't remember the name of
> it or the street it's on. They have a huge selection of... well...
> everything. I haven't been to The Hill shopping in a long time, over a
> year. I go to Giovanni's for dinner and sometimes Zia's. Steven likes
> Bartolino's for a casual dinner now and then. I need to get over there
> and mosey around on a Saturday afternoon.

Are you talking about Urzi's? Right next to Urzi's is a little
Italian restaurant, Lou Boccardi's (not Joe). It's tiny, so when
folks are smoking in the bar, you can smell it in the dining area, so
it's an 11:30am place, but the food is really good. My wife thinks
it's too much of a dive, but she agrees that the food has always been A
+.
I shouldn't be thinking carby Italian right now.
>
> Michael
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> > --Bryan

--Bryan

margaret suran > wrote:

> The Schweinemagen at Schaller & Weber looks almost like bacon, but has a
> different taste. It is very salty and fatty.

It sounds wrong. Slices of Saumagen somewhat resemble Leberkäse in
appearance, except they are by far not as smooth, with small pieces of
pork and potatoes. It is usually not all that fatty and certainly isn't
supposed to be salty. Schaller or Weber, or both, must be in love.

> During the Cold Months, Schaller & Weber features Heissen Leberkaese,
> another meat I like and am not supposed to eat.

Do they serve it in situ, then? Cold Leberkäse is of course easy enough
to fry in a pan, perhaps with some onions.

> Erich and I used to eat
> it with boiled potatoes and sauerkraut.

Sacrilege. Potatoes are supposed to be mashed.

> Marcel does not even consider
> it to be food. (

Let him eat Wiener Schnitzel.

Bubba