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Having a Gig of online hard drive space would be very useful.
http://askwiki.blogspot.com/2007/11/...om-google.html The first use for me would be to store "My Documents". Use Winrar and password the file then upload. No more backing up data. |
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Sqwertz > wrote in
: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:52:58 -0500, Terry wrote: > >> Having a Gig of online hard drive space would be very useful. >> {snip} >> The first use for me would be to store "My Documents". Use Winrar and >> password the file then upload. No more backing up data. > > You may as well send your penis there too. > > What will people *not* part with in this online age? > > -sw > > I think you already mentioned it ![]() |
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Terry wrote:
> > Having a Gig of online hard drive space would be very useful. > URL snipped > > The first use for me would be to store "My Documents". Use Winrar and > password the file then upload. No more backing up data. Beware the data harvesters! No matter what, I'd never purposely store any of my personal data 'online' if I can help it. Give me good old floppies, CDs, DVDs, USB hard drives, whatever, but I won't store my data online on any storage location I can't put my fingers on! Beware, 'big brother' watches! Sky, who says call me paranoid (NOT!) - only cautious! -- Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer! Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice |
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"Terry" > wrote in message
... > Having a Gig of online hard drive space would be very useful. > > http://askwiki.blogspot.com/2007/11/...om-google.html > > The first use for me would be to store "My Documents". Use Winrar and > password the file then upload. No more backing up data. > As long as the data isn't important to you, this is a great idea. But, if it is important, and especially if it comes from a computer which is used to generate income, you need total control of your backup media. With online backups, you have no such control. |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:41:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote: >As long as the data isn't important to you, this is a great idea. But, if it >is important, and especially if it comes from a computer which is used to >generate income, you need total control of your backup media. With online >backups, you have no such control. I agree. I'd be very careful with business materials, but I just want to store family photos and my recipes. -- See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first |
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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:41:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" > > wrote: > >>As long as the data isn't important to you, this is a great idea. But, if >>it >>is important, and especially if it comes from a computer which is used to >>generate income, you need total control of your backup media. With online >>backups, you have no such control. > > I agree. I'd be very careful with business materials, but I just want > to store family photos and my recipes. "Just" family photos? Do you have a safe deposit box at your bank? That and a good backup routine at home, and you're golden. |
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Lets see. If you make a RAR file, and then pass word protect it and upload
it to an offsite storage. Isn't that the very act of backing up data? Oops, no more backing up data! Cancell that order! Don't do that! -- Christopher A. Young; .. .. "Terry" > wrote in message ... Having a Gig of online hard drive space would be very useful. http://askwiki.blogspot.com/2007/11/...om-google.html The first use for me would be to store "My Documents". Use Winrar and password the file then upload. No more backing up data. |
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Considering that a CD costs far less than a dollar, why would anyone want to
risk losing his (her) privacy by storing data offsite? I might store a couple disks at my parents house, for example. But not at some remote website. -- Christopher A. Young; .. .. "Sky" > wrote in message ... Beware the data harvesters! No matter what, I'd never purposely store any of my personal data 'online' if I can help it. Give me good old floppies, CDs, DVDs, USB hard drives, whatever, but I won't store my data online on any storage location I can't put my fingers on! Beware, 'big brother' watches! Sky, who says call me paranoid (NOT!) - only cautious! |
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![]() <sf> wrote in message ... > On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:41:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" > > wrote: > >>As long as the data isn't important to you, this is a great idea. But, if >>it >>is important, and especially if it comes from a computer which is used to >>generate income, you need total control of your backup media. With online >>backups, you have no such control. > > I agree. I'd be very careful with business materials, but I just want > to store family photos and my recipes. > Then what happens when that site where you've got them stored one day just disappears? I've read that this happens. Dee Dee |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:15:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote: ><sf> wrote in message ... >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:41:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" >> > wrote: >> >>>As long as the data isn't important to you, this is a great idea. But, if >>>it >>>is important, and especially if it comes from a computer which is used to >>>generate income, you need total control of your backup media. With online >>>backups, you have no such control. >> >> I agree. I'd be very careful with business materials, but I just want >> to store family photos and my recipes. > > >"Just" family photos? Do you have a safe deposit box at your bank? That and >a good backup routine at home, and you're golden. > Yes, "just" family photos. There is nothing interesting about them to anyone else. I am not a professional photographer, nor am I even very good. I am not a paranoid, so I don't think some bad guy is going through each and every archived photo - for a reason that alludes me at this point. -- See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:50:55 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote: > ><sf> wrote in message ... >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:41:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" >> > wrote: >> >>>As long as the data isn't important to you, this is a great idea. But, if >>>it >>>is important, and especially if it comes from a computer which is used to >>>generate income, you need total control of your backup media. With online >>>backups, you have no such control. >> >> I agree. I'd be very careful with business materials, but I just want >> to store family photos and my recipes. >> > > >Then what happens when that site where you've got them stored one day just >disappears? It's a back up, Dee.... not the main place to store. Sh*t happens. -- See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first |
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<sf> wrote in message news
![]() > On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:15:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" > > wrote: > >><sf> wrote in message ... >>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:41:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>>As long as the data isn't important to you, this is a great idea. But, >>>>if >>>>it >>>>is important, and especially if it comes from a computer which is used >>>>to >>>>generate income, you need total control of your backup media. With >>>>online >>>>backups, you have no such control. >>> >>> I agree. I'd be very careful with business materials, but I just want >>> to store family photos and my recipes. >> >> >>"Just" family photos? Do you have a safe deposit box at your bank? That >>and >>a good backup routine at home, and you're golden. >> > Yes, "just" family photos. There is nothing interesting about them to > anyone else. I am not a professional photographer, nor am I even very > good. I am not a paranoid, so I don't think some bad guy is going > through each and every archived photo - for a reason that alludes me > at this point. That's "eludes". And, I'm not talking about someone looking at the photos. The risk is losing them completely, forever. If that idea doesn't bother you, than do it your way. This isn't paranoia. This is reality. Corporations spend millions per year for effective backup procedures and it's got nothing to do with paranoia. |
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![]() <sf> wrote in message ... > It's a back up, Dee.... not the main place to store. Sh*t happens. > O.K. :-)) Dee Dee |
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:40:04 -0600, Sky >
wrote: >Terry wrote: >> >> Having a Gig of online hard drive space would be very useful. >> > URL snipped >> >> The first use for me would be to store "My Documents". Use Winrar and >> password the file then upload. No more backing up data. > >Beware the data harvesters! No matter what, I'd never purposely store >any of my personal data 'online' if I can help it. Give me good old >floppies, CDs, DVDs, USB hard drives, whatever, but I won't store my >data online on any storage location I can't put my fingers on! > >Beware, 'big brother' watches! > >Sky, who says call me paranoid (NOT!) - only cautious! I fully agree. I wont even use my real name and personal info on those forms that seem all too common on many websites these days. I dont see why it's all that hard to backup at home. I have not yet bought one of those USB Harddrives, but I have several old hard drives that cost me under $10. About every 3 months I just plug them in to one of the spare ide cables and copy my whole computer to it. In between, I copy important stuff to memory sticks or floppies. I also tried CDs, but thats far too much work since the software I have is not capable of chaining from disk to disk. |
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sf wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:50:55 -0500, "Dee.Dee" > > wrote: > >> <sf> wrote in message ... >>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:41:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> As long as the data isn't important to you, this is a great idea. But, if >>>> it >>>> is important, and especially if it comes from a computer which is used to >>>> generate income, you need total control of your backup media. With online >>>> backups, you have no such control. >>> I agree. I'd be very careful with business materials, but I just want >>> to store family photos and my recipes. >>> >> >> Then what happens when that site where you've got them stored one day just >> disappears? > > It's a back up, Dee.... not the main place to store. Sh*t happens. > Sure, but often all at one time. Suppose the "free" backup site disappears the same day your hard drive toasts? |
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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:03:14 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: > >> Lets see. If you make a RAR file, and then pass word protect it and upload >> it to an offsite storage. Isn't that the very act of backing up data? Oops, >> no more backing up data! Cancell that order! Don't do that! > > And then after they get millions of users, they decide to start > charging for downloads. > > -sw > Or just disappears because they aren't making money from popups or whatever it is that pays for their hosting cost. |
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"George" > wrote in message
. .. > sf wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:50:55 -0500, "Dee.Dee" > >> wrote: >> >>> <sf> wrote in message ... >>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:41:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> As long as the data isn't important to you, this is a great idea. But, >>>>> if it >>>>> is important, and especially if it comes from a computer which is used >>>>> to >>>>> generate income, you need total control of your backup media. With >>>>> online >>>>> backups, you have no such control. >>>> I agree. I'd be very careful with business materials, but I just want >>>> to store family photos and my recipes. >>>> >>> >>> Then what happens when that site where you've got them stored one day >>> just disappears? >> >> It's a back up, Dee.... not the main place to store. Sh*t happens. >> > Sure, but often all at one time. Suppose the "free" backup site disappears > the same day your hard drive toasts? .....which WILL happen, because that's how computers are. |
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:52:58 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Terry >: >Having a Gig of online hard drive space would be very useful. > >http://askwiki.blogspot.com/2007/11/...om-google.html > >The first use for me would be to store "My Documents". Use Winrar and >password the file then upload. No more backing up data. What a *marvelous* idea! Tell you what, I'll provide you with enough space on my hard drive for you to store all your important stuff: Credit card numbers, bank account info, etc. Just email me the info, and I'll encrypt it for free, so you can rest easy that no hackers can get it from me. How's that sound? -- Bob C. "Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." - McNameless |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:23:53 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by George >: >Sqwertz wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:03:14 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: >> >>> Lets see. If you make a RAR file, and then pass word protect it and upload >>> it to an offsite storage. Isn't that the very act of backing up data? Oops, >>> no more backing up data! Cancell that order! Don't do that! >> >> And then after they get millions of users, they decide to start >> charging for downloads. >> >> -sw >> >Or just disappears because they aren't making money from popups or >whatever it is that pays for their hosting cost. *And* they have essentially unlimited time to take a close look at those passwords. What a deal! -- Bob C. "Evidence confirming an observation is evidence that the observation is wrong." - McNameless |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:17:15 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote: >That's "eludes". Thanks, I'm the eternal spelling dud. >And, I'm not talking about someone looking at the photos. >The risk is losing them completely, forever. If that idea doesn't bother >you, than do it your way. It's "then" not "than". >This isn't paranoia. This is reality. Corporations >spend millions per year for effective backup procedures and it's got nothing >to do with paranoia. They will probably not fail if/when my HD does, so I'm not worried. If I stored everything solely on a website off my computer, I'd be worried.... but I don't, so I'm not. -- See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:51:19 GMT, Janet Baraclough
> wrote: > A picture storage website may attract attention from hackers who >collect innocent family snaps of children, digitally manipulate them as >porn, and sell them. Let's put it this way... the odds of anything like that happening are very low. I'm not concerned. -- See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:22:29 -0500, George >
wrote: >Sure, but often all at one time. Suppose the "free" backup site >disappears the same day your hard drive toasts? I have a million dollars that says it won't happen to me in my lifetime. Wanna bet? -- See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:18:27 -0700, Bob Casanova >
wrote: >On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:23:53 -0500, the following appeared >in talk.origins, posted by George >: > >>Sqwertz wrote: >>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:03:14 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: >>> >>>> Lets see. If you make a RAR file, and then pass word protect it and upload >>>> it to an offsite storage. Isn't that the very act of backing up data? Oops, >>>> no more backing up data! Cancell that order! Don't do that! >>> >>> And then after they get millions of users, they decide to start >>> charging for downloads. >>> >>> -sw >>> >>Or just disappears because they aren't making money from popups or >>whatever it is that pays for their hosting cost. > >*And* they have essentially unlimited time to take a close >look at those passwords. What a deal! You guys are so paranoid. So, what porn or gammers sites have harvested your personal password? Get real. -- See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first |
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:16:17 -0700, Bob Casanova >
wrote: > >What a *marvelous* idea! Tell you what, I'll provide you >with enough space on my hard drive for you to store all your >important stuff: Credit card numbers, bank account info, >etc. Just email me the info, and I'll encrypt it for free, >so you can rest easy that no hackers can get it from me. > >How's that sound? do you take pictures and recipes? -- See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first |
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sf wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:18:27 -0700, Bob Casanova > > wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:23:53 -0500, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by George >: >> >>> Sqwertz wrote: >>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:03:14 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lets see. If you make a RAR file, and then pass word protect it and upload >>>>> it to an offsite storage. Isn't that the very act of backing up data? Oops, >>>>> no more backing up data! Cancell that order! Don't do that! >>>> And then after they get millions of users, they decide to start >>>> charging for downloads. >>>> >>>> -sw >>>> >>> Or just disappears because they aren't making money from popups or >>> whatever it is that pays for their hosting cost. >> *And* they have essentially unlimited time to take a close >> look at those passwords. What a deal! > > You guys are so paranoid. So, what porn or gammers sites have > harvested your personal password? Get real. > No paranoia. You just may not have considered the value of personal information and how hard others work to get it. |
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![]() "George" > wrote > sf wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:18:27 -0700, Bob Casanova > >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:23:53 -0500, the following appeared >>> in talk.origins, posted by George >: >>> >>>> Sqwertz wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:03:14 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Lets see. If you make a RAR file, and then pass word protect it and >>>>>> upload >>>>>> it to an offsite storage. Isn't that the very act of backing up data? >>>>>> Oops, >>>>>> no more backing up data! Cancell that order! Don't do that! >>>>> And then after they get millions of users, they decide to start >>>>> charging for downloads. >>>> Or just disappears because they aren't making money from popups or >>>> whatever it is that pays for their hosting cost. >>> *And* they have essentially unlimited time to take a close >>> look at those passwords. What a deal! >> >> You guys are so paranoid. So, what porn or gammers sites have >> harvested your personal password? Get real. > No paranoia. You just may not have considered the value of personal > information and how hard others work to get it. I doubt too many if any of us have backed up our computers to some 'free' site to have our stuff hacked. I'd be worried about it if I did do that. nancy |
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Nancy Young wrote:
> I doubt too many if any of us have backed up our computers to > some 'free' site to have our stuff hacked. I'd be worried about it > if I did do that. I do create over-the-net backups on occaision. The entire archive get properly encrypted first, though. Makes the whole thing a useless bag-o-bits to anyone but me. -- Reg |
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
... > > "George" > wrote > >> sf wrote: >>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:18:27 -0700, Bob Casanova > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:23:53 -0500, the following appeared >>>> in talk.origins, posted by George >: >>>> >>>>> Sqwertz wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:03:14 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Lets see. If you make a RAR file, and then pass word protect it and >>>>>>> upload >>>>>>> it to an offsite storage. Isn't that the very act of backing up >>>>>>> data? Oops, >>>>>>> no more backing up data! Cancell that order! Don't do that! >>>>>> And then after they get millions of users, they decide to start >>>>>> charging for downloads. > >>>>> Or just disappears because they aren't making money from popups or >>>>> whatever it is that pays for their hosting cost. >>>> *And* they have essentially unlimited time to take a close >>>> look at those passwords. What a deal! >>> >>> You guys are so paranoid. So, what porn or gammers sites have >>> harvested your personal password? Get real. > >> No paranoia. You just may not have considered the value of personal >> information and how hard others work to get it. > > I doubt too many if any of us have backed up our computers to > some 'free' site to have our stuff hacked. I'd be worried about it > if I did do that. > > nancy > Considering how cheap and simple it is to make CD backups (which aren't perfect, but better than nothing) and find a way to store them off site (another home, or a safe deposit box, or even in a fire safe in the basement), it makes very little sense to do online backups. |
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![]() "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote > "Nancy Young" > wrote >> I doubt too many if any of us have backed up our computers to >> some 'free' site to have our stuff hacked. I'd be worried about it >> if I did do that. > Considering how cheap and simple it is to make CD backups (which aren't > perfect, but better than nothing) and find a way to store them off site > (another home, or a safe deposit box, or even in a fire safe in the > basement), it makes very little sense to do online backups. That's for me. The only thing irreplaceable on my pc are my pictures anyway. Those I could back up to my ISP if the software wasn't such a pain in the butt. nancy |
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sf wrote:
> > >On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:40:04 -0600, Sky > > >wrote: > > > >>Beware, 'big brother' watches! > >> > >>Sky, who says call me paranoid (NOT!) - only cautious! > > Big Brother is not watching unless you're doing something > "interesting". Actually, folks might find it rather surprising (and perhaps disturbing?) as to what "Big Brother" (USA) is doing clandestinely. Reference this website from the PBS show "Frontline" (part 3) titled, "The NSA's Eavesdropping at AT&T" at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/view/ -- it's truly interesting. This particular episode can be watched online. If convenient, check these out. Sky, who is _not_ paranoid <VBG> -- only cautious and hopefully informed P.S. The five parts of the aforementioned Frontline episode are titled: Part 1: A Pre-Emption Operation in Vegas Part 2: The New Era of Pre-Emption/Prevention Part 3: The NSA's Eavesdropping at AT&T Part 4: National Security Letters and Data Mining Part 5: Pre-Emption vs. the Fourth Amendment -- Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer! Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice |
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![]() "Sky" > wrote in message ... > sf wrote: >> >> >On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:40:04 -0600, Sky > >> >wrote: >> > >> >>Beware, 'big brother' watches! >> >> >> >>Sky, who says call me paranoid (NOT!) - only cautious! >> >> Big Brother is not watching unless you're doing something >> "interesting". > > Actually, folks might find it rather surprising (and perhaps > disturbing?) as to what "Big Brother" (USA) is doing clandestinely. > Reference this website from the PBS show "Frontline" (part 3) titled, > "The NSA's Eavesdropping at AT&T" at > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/view/ -- it's truly > interesting. This particular episode can be watched online. If > convenient, check these out. > > Sky, who is _not_ paranoid <VBG> -- only cautious and hopefully informed > > P.S. The five parts of the aforementioned Frontline episode are titled: > Part 1: A Pre-Emption Operation in Vegas > Part 2: The New Era of Pre-Emption/Prevention > Part 3: The NSA's Eavesdropping at AT&T > Part 4: National Security Letters and Data Mining > Part 5: Pre-Emption vs. the Fourth Amendment > > -- > Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer! > Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice Gee, I thought they were all one and the same. Just trying to confuse. ;-)) |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:53:40 GMT, Reg > wrote:
>Nancy Young wrote: > >> I doubt too many if any of us have backed up our computers to >> some 'free' site to have our stuff hacked. I'd be worried about it >> if I did do that. > >I do create over-the-net backups on occaision. The entire >archive get properly encrypted first, though. Makes the whole >thing a useless bag-o-bits to anyone but me. I'm appointing you to be my personal computer guru. ![]() -- See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first |
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:04:41 -0500, "Nancy Young" >
wrote: >That's for me. The only thing irreplaceable on my pc are my pictures >anyway. Those I could back up to my ISP if the software wasn't such >a pain in the butt. Raising hand... me too. -- See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first |
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![]() <sf> wrote in message news ![]() > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:04:41 -0500, "Nancy Young" > > wrote: > >>That's for me. The only thing irreplaceable on my pc are my pictures >>anyway. Those I could back up to my ISP if the software wasn't such >>a pain in the butt. > > Raising hand... me too. > My isp doesn't give enough room to do diddly. A few pictures; then if you go over, it's charge, charge, charge. Everything is connected to the phone company -- remember Lilly Thompson? You got it! Dee Dee |
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"Dee.Dee" > wrote in message
... > > <sf> wrote in message news ![]() >> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:04:41 -0500, "Nancy Young" > >> wrote: >> >>>That's for me. The only thing irreplaceable on my pc are my pictures >>>anyway. Those I could back up to my ISP if the software wasn't such >>>a pain in the butt. >> >> Raising hand... me too. >> > > My isp doesn't give enough room to do diddly. A few pictures; then if you > go over, it's charge, charge, charge. > Everything is connected to the phone company -- remember Lilly Thompson? > You got it! > > Dee Dee > You mean Lily Thomlin, the funniest lady on earth. :-) |
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sf wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:53:40 GMT, Reg > wrote: > > >>Nancy Young wrote: >> >> >>>I doubt too many if any of us have backed up our computers to >>>some 'free' site to have our stuff hacked. I'd be worried about it >>>if I did do that. >> >>I do create over-the-net backups on occaision. The entire >>archive get properly encrypted first, though. Makes the whole >>thing a useless bag-o-bits to anyone but me. > > > I'm appointing you to be my personal computer guru. ![]() > Anytime, sister! You got my number. -- Reg |
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Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:28:09 -0600, Sky wrote: > > > Actually, folks might find it rather surprising (and perhaps > > disturbing?) as to what "Big Brother" (USA) is doing clandestinely. > > Reference this website from the PBS show "Frontline" (part 3) titled, > > "The NSA's Eavesdropping at AT&T" at > > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/view/ -- it's truly > > interesting. This particular episode can be watched online. > > Oh right - like I'm going to watch that ONLINE, so I can be > labeled a radical subversive! And they'll know where I live, > too! > > -sw Want to bet they already know??? <VBEG> Sky -- Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer! Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice |
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