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On Dec 2, 1:57Â*pm, Sheldon > wrote:
> Ted Campanelli > wrote: > > Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not > > so great) words of knowledge: > > > > Venison is disgusting. > > > �>snip > > > If venison is so "disgusting" why do high class, gourmet restaurants > > sell and serve it ? > > > Venison as well as Bison meat are among the MOST healthy red meats you > > can eat. �If you do not prepare it and cook it properly, then it will > > not be flavorful and tender. > > The venison, elk, bison, etc, served at restaurants is *farmed*... > tastes nothing like wild game... it's illegal to serve wild game at US > restaurants, and under current law no commercial hunting is permitted. > > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...BF930A15751C1A Correction: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C1A9649582 60 > When folks brag about how the venison and bison they ate at a > restaurant wasn't at all gamey, well duh, it was fed like prime beef. > > There are lots of game farms in the US, plenty right near where I live > raise elk and deer, many advertise they're organic. > > http://www.deerfarmer.com > > Sheldon |
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"Michael Kuettner" > wrote: > ChattyCathy schrieb : > > Sarah Gray wrote: > >> Miche wrote : > >> > >>> More for me, yum yum. > >>> > >> > >> My sentiments exactly! > > > > I'll third that. However, it does need to be marinated (IMHO) or it can be > > rather tough. > > > Yes, marinade ("Beize" in German) is important. > Dependant on the type of venison, there's cold marinade, boiled marinade > and buttermilk marinade. > What do you use ? Interesting. I don't think I've ever had marinated venison. And yes, that includes wild-caught (hunted). Miche -- Electricians do it in three phases |
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Miche wrote:
> > Interesting. I don't think I've ever had marinated venison. > > And yes, that includes wild-caught (hunted). Well, there are many types of venison. Most people think of "deer-type" meat, but that's not strictly true... http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...ary&va=venison I have had warthog chops cooked on the grill - which were (IMHO), much, much, better than pork chops any day - but you have to marinate them for several hours (preferably overnight) or they're as tough as the proverbial 'old boots'. And as for what to marinate it in - use a splosh of Coca Cola (tm) instead of red wine - seriously. Makes it very tender. I kid you not. -- Cheers Chatty Cathy Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible |
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On Dec 1, 11:14 am, Ted Campanelli > wrote:
> Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not > so great) words of knowledge: > > > Venison is disgusting. > > >snip > > If venison is so "disgusting" why do high class, gourmet restaurants > sell and serve it ? > > Venison as well as Bison meat are among the MOST healthy red meats you > can eat. If you do not prepare it and cook it properly, then it will > not be flavorful and tender. > > As for the "so called hunters" that just shoot a deer to mount on the > wall, I have no respect for them and neither do real hunters. A real > hunter (or fisherman) cleans and eat what they shoot (or catch ). > Unfortunately, there is no "catch and release" with hunting. I agree with all you say about hunters. Especially the bison hunters of Montana. Hunting a bison is about as much sport as killing a cow in the pasture. Trophy hunting is sick. But you can hunt and release with a CAMERA and enjoy the "trophy" forever in living color. |
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ChattyCathy > wrote: > Miche wrote: > > > > > Interesting. I don't think I've ever had marinated venison. > > > > And yes, that includes wild-caught (hunted). > > Well, there are many types of venison. Most people think of "deer-type" > meat, but that's not strictly true... > > http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...ary&va=venison > > I have had warthog chops cooked on the grill - which were (IMHO), much, > much, better than pork chops any day - but you have to marinate them for > several hours (preferably overnight) or they're as tough as the > proverbial 'old boots'. And as for what to marinate it in - use a splosh > of Coca Cola (tm) instead of red wine - seriously. Makes it very tender. > I kid you not. Well, there you go! I would never have thought of warthog as venison, I must say. Miche -- Electricians do it in three phases |
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Janet Baraclough > wrote: > The message > > from Miche > contains these words: > > > Well, there you go! I would never have thought of warthog as venison, I > > must say. > > The original meaning of venison, was any kind of hunted game. As the link Cathy posted said, yeah. Miche -- Electricians do it in three phases |
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:01:51 -0500, "Virginia Tadrzynski"
> wrote: > >"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message >> >> We call 'em rats on hooves over where I live. >> >> Boron > >The only thing that quasi-worked on keeping the deer out of the garden was >when Boy#2 took to piddling in the garden. He had overheard some older >gents talking in Home Depot about 'marking territory' and that deer >respected it. It ****ed off the neighbor who has three girls (all older >than his 5 years at the time) and she demanded I make him stop, to told her >to tell her girls not to look if it bothered them. The deer population >seemed to avoid the garden whenever he 'went' so I guess it worked, >somewhat. >-ginny > That might work for the deer, but my neighbors will be scandalized! Too bad the twins are 19. When there were 4-5, I discovered them and several other little neighborhood boys in the backyard having a contest. Come to think of it, we had no deer in that yard.... Boron |
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On Dec 2, 1:57 pm, Sheldon > wrote:
> Ted Campanelli > wrote: > > Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes not > > so great) words of knowledge: > > > > Venison is disgusting. > > > �>snip > > > If venison is so "disgusting" why do high class, gourmet restaurants > > sell and serve it ? > > > Venison as well as Bison meat are among the MOST healthy red meats you > > can eat. �If you do not prepare it and cook it properly, then it will > > not be flavorful and tender. > > The venison, elk, bison, etc, served at restaurants is *farmed*... > tastes nothing like wild game... it's illegal to serve wild game at US > restaurants, and under current law no commercial hunting is permitted. > > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...BF930A15751C1A > > When folks brag about how the venison and bison they ate at a > restaurant wasn't at all gamey, well duh, it was fed like prime beef. However if the deer live in the right area they can be 'corn-fed" even if wild. This does give a different taste to the meat. Domestic must be even more different. John Kane, Kingston ON Canada > > There are lots of game farms in the US, plenty right near where I live > raise elk and deer, many advertise they're organic. > > http://www.deerfarmer.com > > Sheldon |
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> Out of frustration and aggravation, I've made a game of all of this.
> Everytime I hear a shot, I yell out "I HOPE YOU SHOT YOUR MOTHER" "I > HOPE YOU SHOT YOUR FATHER" "I HOPE YOU SHOT YOUR BROTHER" "I HOPE YOU > SHOT YOUR UNCLE" "I HOPE YOU SHOT YOUR WIFE" and the list of people I > wish they would shoot goes on. Everytime it's different...... In You need to do something about that anger, dude....see someone; get some management therapy; take some drugs. You're yelling yourself into an early grave. N. |
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On Dec 1, 3:31 pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
> Ted Campanelli wrote: > > Ted shuffled out of his cave and grunted these great (and sometimes > > not so great) words of knowledge: > > >> Venison is disgusting. > >> snip > > > If venison is so "disgusting" why do high class, gourmet restaurants > > sell and serve it ? > > > Venison as well as Bison meat are among the MOST healthy red meats you > > can eat. If you do not prepare it and cook it properly, then it will > > not be flavorful and tender. > > > As for the "so called hunters" that just shoot a deer to mount on the > > wall, I have no respect for them and neither do real hunters. A real > > hunter (or fisherman) cleans and eat what they shoot (or catch ). > > Unfortunately, there is no "catch and release" with hunting. > > Agreed! Apart from the vermin, anything we shoot, we eat! Deer sausage....yummy! N. |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:32:29 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote: >On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:01:51 -0500, "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote: > >> >>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message > >>> >>> We call 'em rats on hooves over where I live. >>> >>> Boron >> >>The only thing that quasi-worked on keeping the deer out of the garden was >>when Boy#2 took to piddling in the garden. He had overheard some older >>gents talking in Home Depot about 'marking territory' and that deer >>respected it. It ****ed off the neighbor who has three girls (all older >>than his 5 years at the time) and she demanded I make him stop, to told her >>to tell her girls not to look if it bothered them. The deer population >>seemed to avoid the garden whenever he 'went' so I guess it worked, >>somewhat. >>-ginny >> > >That might work for the deer, but my neighbors will be scandalized! > >Too bad the twins are 19. When there were 4-5, I discovered them and >several other little neighborhood boys in the backyard having a >contest. Come to think of it, we had no deer in that yard.... In the winter little boys can write their names in the snow. The next day another group of little boys finds the names and they become pen pals. Lou |
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On Dec 2, 11:01 am, "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote:
> "Boron Elgar" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > > On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:16:22 GMT, "James Silverton" > > > wrote: > > > wrote in message > . .. > >>> Venison is disgusting. How can anyone eat that stuff. I can > >>> not > >>> stand it. And why is is called venison anyhow? I'd rather > >>> see the > >>> deer run in my fields, and even eat my corn than see them > >>> killed, > > >>Try using a dictionary for the etymology of venison. You've > >>obviously never had it cooked properly and it is a very low-fat > >>meat. > > >>As far as I am concerned, deer, while pretty animals that are > >>far too abundant and which can eat damn near anything vegetable. > >>If I knew a plant that reliably poisoned herbivores I would grow > >>it for the benefit of the deer. > > > We call 'em rats on hooves over where I live. > > > Boron > > The only thing that quasi-worked on keeping the deer out of the garden was > when Boy#2 took to piddling in the garden. He had overheard some older > gents talking in Home Depot about 'marking territory' and that deer > respected it. It ****ed off the neighbor who has three girls (all older > than his 5 years at the time) and she demanded I make him stop, to told her > to tell her girls not to look if it bothered them. The deer population > seemed to avoid the garden whenever he 'went' so I guess it worked, > somewhat. I don't understand exactly what kind of psychic damage people think that seeing human genitalia is going to do to people. If some guy was flashing his penis at her daughters in a provocative way, sure, but just seeing another person urinating is a non-event. As far as simple nudity goes, just ask nearly anyone who has ever been to a nude beach. Even if a person's motives were originally lascivious, or at least prurient, within a certain amount of time they become habituated, just like guys from countries where women wear freakin' bourkas get used to seeing women unveiled in jeans and t-shirts. There is nothing characteristic enough about the genitals of either sex or about the portions of female breasts covered by bikini tops that makes one person's more an object of lust--appropriate or inappropriate--than another's If I've ever been uncomfortable about nakedness, it was certainly never *others'* nudity, but my own, and for reasons that most folks can relate too that have to do with appearance (am I too fat? how does my skin look? stuff like that), rather than I'm worried that I'm being looked on as an object of lust. Social mores about sexuality don't cease to exist when the clothes get skimpier, and the Free Body Culture (Germany) movement was anything but highly sexualized, and the same goes for modern nudists worldwide these days. > The deer population > seemed to avoid the garden whenever he 'went' so I guess it worked, > somewhat. It doesn't work for squirrels. I didn't pee in the back yard, but did pee into a container and pour it around the tomato plants. It didn't help. > -ginny --Bryan |
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ChattyCathy wrote:
> I have had warthog chops cooked on the grill - which were (IMHO), much, > much, better than pork chops any day - but you have to marinate them for > several hours (preferably overnight) or they're as tough as the > proverbial 'old boots'. And as for what to marinate it in - use a splosh > of Coca Cola (tm) instead of red wine - seriously. Makes it very tender. > I kid you not. I often include Coca - Cola in marinades, BBQ sauces and the like...I baste ham with a mixture that includes Coca - Cola or Dr. Pepper. Just *don't* use Diet (Light) Coke, though... ;-) -- Best Greg |
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> "Ophelia" > wrote> Agreed! Apart from the vermin, anything we shoot, we eat! > > Oh, Ohphelia, you do *not* shoot things! OH, cyberPUSSY, are you *krushed*...??? [cue up: _Cry Me A River_ ] And PLEASE don't tell us that you think fishermen are "murderers" like that nutty "L" bitch pal of yers did that used to post here... -- Best Greg " I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that we are some kind of comedy team turns my stomach." - "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking |
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Gregory Morrow wrote:
> cybercat BANGED: > >> "Ophelia" > wrote> Agreed! Apart from the vermin, >> anything we shoot, we eat! >> >> Oh, Ohphelia, you do *not* shoot things! > > > OH, cyberPUSSY, are you *krushed*...??? > > [cue up: _Cry Me A River_ ] > > And PLEASE don't tell us that you think fishermen are "murderers" like > that nutty "L" bitch pal of yers did that used to post here... Hey cat! I think Greggy baby has a crush on you ![]() obsession ![]() |
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Gregory Morrow wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote: > >> I have had warthog chops cooked on the grill - which were (IMHO), much, >> much, better than pork chops any day - but you have to marinate them for >> several hours (preferably overnight) or they're as tough as the >> proverbial 'old boots'. And as for what to marinate it in - use a splosh >> of Coca Cola (tm) instead of red wine - seriously. Makes it very tender. >> I kid you not. > > > I often include Coca - Cola in marinades, BBQ sauces and the like...I > baste ham with a mixture that includes Coca - Cola or Dr. Pepper. > Just *don't* use Diet (Light) Coke, though... Not on your nelly! Blech - I don't drink the stuff so I certainly won't use it in a marinade. Learned the tip from a butcher friend - he used to rent out these big "spits" (rotisserie?) for doing a whole lamb. We got the 'spit' and a lamb from him for my DS's 21st birthday party and he volunteered to cook the lamb too ![]() and I asked him what he put in it... You could have knocked me over with a feather when he told me about adding the cola - but it does work. That lamb was delish! BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). -- Cheers Chatty Cathy Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible |
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:27:40 -0600, Lou Decruss >
wrote: >On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:32:29 -0500, Boron Elgar > wrote: > >>On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:01:51 -0500, "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote: >> >>> >>>"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message >> >>>> >>>> We call 'em rats on hooves over where I live. >>>> >>>> Boron >>> >>>The only thing that quasi-worked on keeping the deer out of the garden was >>>when Boy#2 took to piddling in the garden. He had overheard some older >>>gents talking in Home Depot about 'marking territory' and that deer >>>respected it. It ****ed off the neighbor who has three girls (all older >>>than his 5 years at the time) and she demanded I make him stop, to told her >>>to tell her girls not to look if it bothered them. The deer population >>>seemed to avoid the garden whenever he 'went' so I guess it worked, >>>somewhat. >>>-ginny >>> >> >>That might work for the deer, but my neighbors will be scandalized! >> >>Too bad the twins are 19. When there were 4-5, I discovered them and >>several other little neighborhood boys in the backyard having a >>contest. Come to think of it, we had no deer in that yard.... > >In the winter little boys can write their names in the snow. The next >day another group of little boys finds the names and they become pen >pals. > >Lou beautiful, lou. your pal, blake |
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ChattyCathy > wrote: > BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). You're not missing much. Miche -- Electricians do it in three phases |
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On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:37:13 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote: >Gregory Morrow wrote: >> ChattyCathy wrote: >> >>> I have had warthog chops cooked on the grill - which were (IMHO), much, >>> much, better than pork chops any day - but you have to marinate them for >>> several hours (preferably overnight) or they're as tough as the >>> proverbial 'old boots'. And as for what to marinate it in - use a splosh >>> of Coca Cola (tm) instead of red wine - seriously. Makes it very tender. >>> I kid you not. >> >> >> I often include Coca - Cola in marinades, BBQ sauces and the like...I >> baste ham with a mixture that includes Coca - Cola or Dr. Pepper. >> Just *don't* use Diet (Light) Coke, though... > >Not on your nelly! Blech - I don't drink the stuff so I certainly won't >use it in a marinade. Learned the tip from a butcher friend - he used to >rent out these big "spits" (rotisserie?) for doing a whole lamb. We got >the 'spit' and a lamb from him for my DS's 21st birthday party and he >volunteered to cook the lamb too ![]() >and I asked him what he put in it... You could have knocked me over with >a feather when he told me about adding the cola - but it does work. That >lamb was delish! > >BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). mr. pibb is quite similar (though i like dr. pepper better). i'm assuming the coca-cola company's global reach extends to south africa. if i had to describe it, i'd say a blend of cola and root beer. it's tasty. your pal, blake |
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blake murphy wrote:
> > mr. pibb is quite similar (though i like dr. pepper better). i'm > assuming the coca-cola company's global reach extends to south africa. > > if i had to describe it, i'd say a blend of cola and root beer. it's > tasty. Gawd, I remember root beet. Loved it when we were kids. But haven't seen that here for years and years either. Pity. -- Cheers Chatty Cathy Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible |
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ChattyCathy wrote:
> BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). What's that...Rural South America? ![]() -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org |
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On Dec 4, 12:38 pm, Miche > wrote:
> In article >, > > ChattyCathy > wrote: > > BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). > > You're not missing much. It is made with artificial flavors. Pretty crappy stuff. > > Miche --Bryan |
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Blinky the Shark wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote: > >> BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). > > What's that...Rural South America? ![]() > Republic of South Africa. |
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Goomba38 wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote: >> ChattyCathy wrote: >> >>> BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). >> >> What's that...Rural South America? ![]() >> > Republic of South Africa. Thanks. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org |
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>, "Bobo Bonobo(R)" > wrote: > On Dec 4, 12:38 pm, Miche > wrote: > > In article >, > > > > ChattyCathy > wrote: > > > BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). > > > > You're not missing much. > > It is made with artificial flavors. Pretty crappy stuff. I was under the impression that all soft drinks contain artificial flavours. Miche -- Electricians do it in three phases |
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Miche wrote:
> In article > >, > "Bobo Bonobo(R)" > wrote: > >> On Dec 4, 12:38 pm, Miche > wrote: >> > In article >, >> > >> > ChattyCathy > wrote: >> > > BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). >> > >> > You're not missing much. >> >> It is made with artificial flavors. Pretty crappy stuff. > > I was under the impression that all soft drinks contain artificial > flavours. I think if they do they have to list "artificial flavors" as an ingredient category. The only soda I have on hand is Sprite Zero. Sprite would seem to be as mainstream as you can get. Ingredients a "carbonated water, citric acid, natural flavors, potassium citrate, potassium benzoate (to protect taste), aspartame, acesulfame potassium." Nothing about artificial flavors, and I'd say the potassium benzoate is a preservative rather than a flavorant (protection isn't creation). -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org |
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Blinky the Shark > wrote: > Miche wrote: > > > In article > > >, > > "Bobo Bonobo(R)" > wrote: > > > >> On Dec 4, 12:38 pm, Miche > wrote: > >> > In article >, > >> > > >> > ChattyCathy > wrote: > >> > > BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). > >> > > >> > You're not missing much. > >> > >> It is made with artificial flavors. Pretty crappy stuff. > > > > I was under the impression that all soft drinks contain artificial > > flavours. > > I think if they do they have to list "artificial flavors" as an ingredient > category. The only soda I have on hand is Sprite Zero. Sprite would seem > to be as mainstream as you can get. Ingredients a "carbonated water, > citric acid, natural flavors, potassium citrate, potassium benzoate (to > protect taste), aspartame, acesulfame potassium." Nothing about > artificial flavors, and I'd say the potassium benzoate is a preservative > rather than a flavorant (protection isn't creation). I've always thought of Sprite as slightly lemon flavoured. Could just be all that sugar getting to me (I don't do "diet"soft drinks). Miche -- Electricians do it in three phases |
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Miche wrote:
> In article .net>, > Blinky the Shark > wrote: > >> Miche wrote: >> >> > In article >> > >, >> > "Bobo Bonobo(R)" > wrote: >> > >> >> On Dec 4, 12:38 pm, Miche > wrote: >> >> > In article >, >> >> > >> >> > ChattyCathy > wrote: >> >> > > BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). >> >> > >> >> > You're not missing much. >> >> >> >> It is made with artificial flavors. Pretty crappy stuff. >> > >> > I was under the impression that all soft drinks contain artificial >> > flavours. >> >> I think if they do they have to list "artificial flavors" as an ingredient >> category. The only soda I have on hand is Sprite Zero. Sprite would seem >> to be as mainstream as you can get. Ingredients a "carbonated water, >> citric acid, natural flavors, potassium citrate, potassium benzoate (to >> protect taste), aspartame, acesulfame potassium." Nothing about >> artificial flavors, and I'd say the potassium benzoate is a preservative >> rather than a flavorant (protection isn't creation). > > I've always thought of Sprite as slightly lemon flavoured. What would explain part of the "LEMON-LIME SODA" on the label, and account for some of the natural flavors. -- Blinky Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project - http://improve-usenet.org |
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Blinky the Shark > wrote: > Miche wrote: > > > In article .net>, > > Blinky the Shark > wrote: > > > >> Miche wrote: > >> > >> > In article > >> > >, > >> > "Bobo Bonobo(R)" > wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Dec 4, 12:38 pm, Miche > wrote: > >> >> > In article >, > >> >> > > >> >> > ChattyCathy > wrote: > >> >> > > BTW, never seen Dr. Pepper available here (RSA). > >> >> > > >> >> > You're not missing much. > >> >> > >> >> It is made with artificial flavors. Pretty crappy stuff. > >> > > >> > I was under the impression that all soft drinks contain artificial > >> > flavours. > >> > >> I think if they do they have to list "artificial flavors" as an ingredient > >> category. The only soda I have on hand is Sprite Zero. Sprite would seem > >> to be as mainstream as you can get. Ingredients a "carbonated water, > >> citric acid, natural flavors, potassium citrate, potassium benzoate (to > >> protect taste), aspartame, acesulfame potassium." Nothing about > >> artificial flavors, and I'd say the potassium benzoate is a preservative > >> rather than a flavorant (protection isn't creation). > > > > I've always thought of Sprite as slightly lemon flavoured. > > What would explain part of the "LEMON-LIME SODA" on the label, and account > for some of the natural flavors. I don't think the New Zealand labels say "LEMON-LIME SODA" but then it's been literally years since I looked. I don't drink a lot of soda. Miche -- Electricians do it in three phases |
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Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Miche wrote: > > I was under the impression that all soft drinks contain artificial > > flavours. > > I think if they do they have to list "artificial flavors" as an > ingredient category. The only soda I have on hand is Sprite Zero. > Sprite would seem to be as mainstream as you can get. Ingredients > a "carbonated water, citric acid, natural flavors, potassium > citrate, potassium benzoate (to protect taste), aspartame, acesulfame > potassium." Nothing about artificial flavors, and I'd say the > potassium benzoate is a preservative rather than a flavorant > (protection isn't creation). Diet Mountain Dew is pretty similar, except that it actually lists orange juice as an ingredient, right ahead of citric acid. It also has "bromiated vegetable oil". Brian -- If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) |
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