"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:21:48 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>none wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Municipal water contains an irreducible small number of bacteria.
>>> Therefore, the water in the ice machine contains bacteria, but it stays
>>> in the ice machine long enough for the chlorine to evaporate, so the
>>> bacteria can begin to multiply.
>>> The water in the toilet is flushed often, so the chlorine doesn't have
>>> time to evaporate. The bacteria level stays fairly low.
>>> There are bacteria growing on your teeth RIGHT NOW.
>>
>>
>>I suppose that you mean that the chlorine sublimates, but it can only do
>>that if it is at the surface area of the ice, which is so cold that it is
>>not conducive for the bacteria to reproduce.
>>
>>The water in the flush reservoir tank has a large surface area for the
>>chlorine to escape. Best that you can hope is that the tank is flushed
>>often enough that there is a fairly downward flow of heavily chlorinated
>>water. I get my water from a well. It is not chlorinated except the odd
>>time that I toss some bleach into it. I don't see myself drinking from
>>the
>>toilet tank. I don't assume that it is automatically full of shit just
>>because it is attached to the toilet bowl, which sometimes is, but you'll
>>have a hard time convincing me that it is not unsafe to drink.
>
> could millions of dogs be wrong?
>
> your pal,
> blake

This could have something to do with the fact that their mouths are
practically sterile.
Dee Dee

Cuthbert Thistlethwaite wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> I don't understand this. Ice in a restaurant is is made by a
>> machine. Ice is place into glasses via an ice scoop. While I
>> certainly believe too many people don't wash their hands, I
>> sincerely doubt they are grabbing ice with their bare hands to fill
>> glasses.
>
> Sure, they could -- they might be using the glass itself as the scoop,
> for instance, dragging their dirty hand through the ice in the
> process.
>
If I had an employee in a restaurant (assuming I had a restaurant, which I
don't, but I've worked in a few) who was seen doing that they'd be out the
door, no excuses. If I *saw* an employee doing something like that I'd be
reporting them to the manager ASAP.

Jill

none wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>> Now THIS will make ya hurl, kids...:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/h...ice02.article#
>>>
>>> Hold the ice: What's in your glass might surprise you
>>>
>>> COLD TRUTH | 'Someone's not washing their hands properly': 1 in 5
>>> samples from restaurants, bars found to have high levels of bacteria
>>>
>> I don't understand this. Ice in a restaurant is is made by a
>> machine. Ice is place into glasses via an ice scoop. While I
>> certainly believe too many people don't wash their hands, I
>> sincerely doubt they are grabbing ice with their bare hands to fill
>> glasses.
>>
>>
> Municipal water contains an irreducible small number of bacteria.
> Therefore, the water in the ice machine contains bacteria, but it
> stays in the ice machine long enough for the chlorine to evaporate,
> so the bacteria can begin to multiply.

Yeah, but the article was about washing hands, not about municipal drinking
water. And if the restaurant is any kind of restaurant you'd want to
frequent, they regularly drain and scrub out the ice machines.

> The water in the toilet is flushed often, so the chlorine doesn't have
> time to evaporate. The bacteria level stays fairly low.

No one is using toilet water to make ice cubes... at least, no one I know!

> There are bacteria growing on your teeth RIGHT NOW.
>
> I added that last part just for fun...

That's why I brush mine 3-4 times a day

Jill

Dave Smith wrote:
> none wrote:
>>
>>
>> Municipal water contains an irreducible small number of bacteria.
>> Therefore, the water in the ice machine contains bacteria, but it
>> stays in the ice machine long enough for the chlorine to evaporate,
>> so the bacteria can begin to multiply.
>> The water in the toilet is flushed often, so the chlorine doesn't
>> have time to evaporate. The bacteria level stays fairly low.
>> There are bacteria growing on your teeth RIGHT NOW.
>
>
> I suppose that you mean that the chlorine sublimates, but it can only
> do that if it is at the surface area of the ice, which is so cold
> that it is not conducive for the bacteria to reproduce.
>
> The water in the flush reservoir tank has a large surface area for the
> chlorine to escape. Best that you can hope is that the tank is
> flushed often enough that there is a fairly downward flow of heavily
> chlorinated water. I get my water from a well. It is not chlorinated
> except the odd time that I toss some bleach into it. I don't see
> myself drinking from the toilet tank. I don't assume that it is
> automatically full of shit just because it is attached to the toilet
> bowl, which sometimes is, but you'll have a hard time convincing me
> that it is not unsafe to drink.

Emergency preparedness plans often point to the fact that the water in the
toilet TANK (not the bowl heheh) is perfectly safe to drink if you have no
other source. It may not be a person's first choice, but it's an option

Jill

Dave Smith wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>>
>
>>> Municipal water contains an irreducible small number of bacteria.
>>> Therefore, the water in the ice machine contains bacteria, but it
>>> stays in the ice machine long enough for the chlorine to evaporate,
>>> so the bacteria can begin to multiply.
>>> The water in the toilet is flushed often, so the chlorine doesn't
>>> have time to evaporate. The bacteria level stays fairly low.
>>> There are bacteria growing on your teeth RIGHT NOW.
>>>
>>> I added that last part just for fun
>>
>> Not all bacteria are hamful, in fact there are many we need to
>> live... the human body contains bacteria at all times, if it didn't
>> we'd be dead. That's one of the reasons that determine the type and
>> dosage of antibiotics prescribed by your doctor.
>
>
> That's true. That is why it is a good idea to eat some real yoghurt
> after a course of antibiotics. Keffir is even better for restoring
> that bacteria garden in your guts. Never the less, you won't catch
> me drinking water from the toilet tank. You are more likely to get
> bad bacteria than good from it.

Acidophilus milk (aka "sweet acidipholus") accomplishes the same thing as
yoghurt. I can't stand yoghurt

Jill

In article <kenji-9A7384.10020703122007@localhost>,
kenji > wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Sheldon > wrote:
>
> > On Dec 2, 11:46?pm, Gregory Morrow >
> > wrote:
> > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:13:09 -0600, Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > > > > Now THIS will make ya hurl, kids...:
> > >
> > > > Everything about Chicago makes me wanna hurl.
> > >
> > > Yer just a fragile pansy - ass, Steve...we've got *rats* bigger than
> > > those wussy jackalopes you have down in Tejas...
> >
> > .
> > NY rats carry switchblades and steal yer cheese.
>
> CHI rats own the cheese distribution, create small LLC's and funnel the
> overcharging of cheese sales to trusted friends and relatives.

<golf clap>

..max

--
The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

In article >,
Cydrome Leader > wrote:

> In chi.eats jmcquown > wrote:
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >> Now THIS will make ya hurl, kids...:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/h...ice02.article#
> >>
> >> Hold the ice: What's in your glass might surprise you
> >>
> >> COLD TRUTH | 'Someone's not washing their hands properly': 1 in 5
> >> samples from restaurants, bars found to have high levels of bacteria
> >>
> > I don't understand this. Ice in a restaurant is is made by a machine. Ice
> > is place into glasses via an ice scoop. While I certainly believe too many
> > people don't wash their hands, I sincerely doubt they are grabbing ice with
> > their bare hands to fill glasses.
>
> concept 1
>
> ice machines are inherently filthy. They circulate water forever across a
> plate or tray that's chilled.
>
> Imagine a fish tank, but colder and with more hands going into it, and
> less people cleaning it.
>
> concept 2
>
> a cup is the ice scoop is most situations. Even if there is an ice scoop,
> the handle gets touched with a "hand" and then that gets tossed back onto
> the bin.
>
> And people are lazy and never clean stuff. Even those k-cup coffee
> machines get ****ing rank unless you strip them down. Soda fountains are
> really bad.
>
> Still, if you have an immune system, you should be good.

Y'know, if we don't get our MDA of FCB with our ice, we're going to
have to get it some other way...

.... like tamales.


ice is nice.

--
The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

Sheldon wrote:
> On Dec 3, 11:40?am, Cydrome Leader > wrote:
>> In chi.eats jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>> Now THIS will make ya hurl, kids...:
>>
>>>> http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/h...ice02.article#
>>
>>>> Hold the ice: What's in your glass might surprise you
>>
>>>> COLD TRUTH | 'Someone's not washing their hands properly': 1 in 5
>>>> samples from restaurants, bars found to have high levels of
>>>> bacteria
>>
>>> I don't understand this. ?Ice in a restaurant is is made by a
>>> machine. ?Ice is place into glasses via an ice scoop. ?While I
>>> certainly believe too many people don't wash their hands, I
>>> sincerely doubt they are grabbing ice with their bare hands to fill
>>> glasses.
>>
>> concept 1
>>
>> ice machines are inherently filthy.
>
> Then what do folks do about the through the door chilled water and ice
> maker on their home fridge.
>
Good point. I've never heard of anyone disassembling their fridge
dispensers to give them a thorough cleaning. I fact, I doubt they *could*
even if they wanted to.

> I've never seen beverage glasses at fast food restaurants, they all
> use paper disposables and they all have ice "dispensers"... in fact
> most restaurants of all types nowadays use ice dispensers for drinks,
> even booze bars. The most dangerous thing a bartender can do is to
> scoop ice with the beverage glass, not germs, a bit of glass can chip
> off... in fact a bar tender scooping ice with a glass is grounds for
> instant dismissal... and most professional kitchens do not permit
> glass in any form... it's only on foodtv where you see cutesy glass
> items... many kitchens do not permit wine bottles.

I've never worked in a fast food joint. But yes, there were racks of
glasses by the ice machine in the kitchen and also (obviously) at the bar.
And there were metal *ice scoops* in the ice machine bins. Maybe we were
just a lot smarter than the average bear back then It wouldn't have
occurred to me (nor did I ever see a co-worker do so) to scoop ice using the
glass itself.

Jill

writes:
>On Dec 3, 7:58 am, kenji > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> tert in seattle > wrote:
>>
>> > I worked one day at a restaurant
>>
>> quit or fired?
>
>Could be Rent-a-Temp, too.

or none of the above

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Now THIS will make ya hurl, kids...:

Just like the 'peppermints' they used to serve in bowls in
restaurants... So what's next? Ice cubes wrapped in individual
cellophane wrappers??
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Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Cuthbert Thistlethwaite wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> I don't understand this. Ice in a restaurant is is made by a
>>> machine. Ice is place into glasses via an ice scoop. While I
>>> certainly believe too many people don't wash their hands, I
>>> sincerely doubt they are grabbing ice with their bare hands to fill
>>> glasses.
>>
>> Sure, they could -- they might be using the glass itself as the scoop,
>> for instance, dragging their dirty hand through the ice in the
>> process.
>>
> If I had an employee in a restaurant (assuming I had a restaurant, which I
> don't, but I've worked in a few) who was seen doing that they'd be out the
> door, no excuses. If I *saw* an employee doing something like that I'd be
> reporting them to the manager ASAP.
>
> Jill
>

Unnoticeable poop on knuckles. Knuckles drags across the ice. Ice becomes
contaminated.

Or just plain unnoticeable dirty hands. One cannot see every hand.
I suppose this goes for all touched food in a restaurant.

I really go nuts when I see people working there putting their hands up to
their nose holes and mouths and scratching their scalp.

Another thing I go nuts about is seeing the wait person picking up someone
elses food with her thumb in the remaining scraps; running back to the
kitchen, coming out with your own food, thumb sticking on the side of the
plate.

One cannot police the world -- fix thy own food!
Dee Dee

jmcquown wrote:
>
> > That's true. That is why it is a good idea to eat some real yoghurt
> > after a course of antibiotics. Keffir is even better for restoring
> > that bacteria garden in your guts. Never the less, you won't catch
> > me drinking water from the toilet tank. You are more likely to get
> > bad bacteria than good from it.
>
> Acidophilus milk (aka "sweet acidipholus") accomplishes the same thing as
> yoghurt. I can't stand yoghurt


I have developed a taste for it over the years. It took a bit of getting
used to plain yoghurt but it is pretty good with a bit of honey in it, or
some nice sweet fruit. If you don't like yoghurt you probably wouldn't
like Keffir either. There is some efferevensence to it, the result of the
milk fermenting. It is a little rough on the aroma but if you can get it
past your nose it tasted better than it smells, sort of like yoghurt mixed
with soda water. I find it to be like a tonic.

Dee.Dee wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Cuthbert Thistlethwaite wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't understand this. Ice in a restaurant is is made by a
>>>> machine. Ice is place into glasses via an ice scoop. While I
>>>> certainly believe too many people don't wash their hands, I
>>>> sincerely doubt they are grabbing ice with their bare hands to fill
>>>> glasses.
>>> Sure, they could -- they might be using the glass itself as the scoop,
>>> for instance, dragging their dirty hand through the ice in the
>>> process.
>>>
>> If I had an employee in a restaurant (assuming I had a restaurant, which I
>> don't, but I've worked in a few) who was seen doing that they'd be out the
>> door, no excuses. If I *saw* an employee doing something like that I'd be
>> reporting them to the manager ASAP.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> Unnoticeable poop on knuckles. Knuckles drags across the ice. Ice becomes
> contaminated.
>
> Or just plain unnoticeable dirty hands. One cannot see every hand.
> I suppose this goes for all touched food in a restaurant.
>
> I really go nuts when I see people working there putting their hands up to
> their nose holes and mouths and scratching their scalp.
>
> Another thing I go nuts about is seeing the wait person picking up someone
> elses food with her thumb in the remaining scraps; running back to the
> kitchen, coming out with your own food, thumb sticking on the side of the
> plate.
>
> One cannot police the world -- fix thy own food!

Ahem, so I suppose "Doggy bags" are out?
--
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Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> > That's true. That is why it is a good idea to eat some real yoghurt
>> > after a course of antibiotics. Keffir is even better for restoring
>> > that bacteria garden in your guts. Never the less, you won't catch
>> > me drinking water from the toilet tank. You are more likely to get
>> > bad bacteria than good from it.
>>
>> Acidophilus milk (aka "sweet acidipholus") accomplishes the same thing as
>> yoghurt. I can't stand yoghurt
>
>
> I have developed a taste for it over the years. It took a bit of getting
> used to plain yoghurt but it is pretty good with a bit of honey in it, or
> some nice sweet fruit. If you don't like yoghurt you probably wouldn't
> like Keffir either. There is some efferevensence to it, the result of the
> milk fermenting. It is a little rough on the aroma but if you can get it
> past your nose it tasted better than it smells, sort of like yoghurt mixed
> with soda water. I find it to be like a tonic.


I've bought keffir and liked it a lot. The last two-three bottles have just
sit there; the dates were good, but the taste wasn't as usual. Good brand,
too.
I like yogurt, so they can keep the keffir for a long while now.

Dee Dee

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:14:31 GMT, Janet Baraclough
> wrote:

>The message
>
>from Sheldon > contains these words:
>
>
>> Everyone should install a UV treatment system for their home, the cost
>> is negligible, certainly less than a year's supply of bottled water...
>> and it continously treats all water used in the home at the same low
>> price, energy costs the price of using a 60w bulb, especially
>> important to treat is water used for bathing, hand washing, tooth
>> brushing, and of course drinking.
>
>The message
>
>from Sheldon > contains these words:
>
>> It's a dirty world, everything contains germs... but normal healthy
>> beings have properly functioning immune systems. It's only the very
>> young, the very old, and those with compromised immune systems who
>> need to take extra precautions. If we made sure to live in a sterile
>> environment then we'd all have extremely compromised immune systems,
>> in fact we'd have no immunity whatsoever.
>
> Sheldon has got lost in his head, again.

You mean he found it for awhile?

In article >,
tert in seattle > wrote:

> writes:
> >On Dec 3, 7:58 am, kenji > wrote:
> >> In article >,
> >> tert in seattle > wrote:
> >>
> >> > I worked one day at a restaurant
> >>
> >> quit or fired?
> >
> >Could be Rent-a-Temp, too.
>
> or none of the above

you lied to us for comedic purposes?

Sheldon > wrote:
> These days ice dispensers are used to fill glasses... very few
> businesses are still scooping drink ice. And there is nothing new
> about the concept... cold drink vending machines have contained ice
> dispensers for nigh on fifty years now... often the ice, the syrup,
> and the carbonated water was dispensed perfectly but the machine would
> forget the cup, so I suppose you can say it was so automated that it
> drank it for you too.

you live in the suburbs or in some place where everything is new.

Sheldon > wrote:
> And anyway water from a tap is not all that pure... if from a
> municipal source that treats with chlorine (most municipalities do
> not) it was pretty much bacteria free (live bacteria free that is)
> when it left the plant but before it gets halfway to your tap it's
> loaded with bacteria from the old underground piping, not to mention
> the encrusted interior of most home plumbing. There are very few
> water treatment facilities at homes or business.

Utter nonsense. The EPA enforces water quality standards across
the country and the large majority of municipal water systems use
chlorine, chlorinates, or chloramines to disinfect their water
and because they can control residual levels in the water supply
to keep the water disinfected.

http://www.epa.gov/safewater/wot/pdf...ontap_full.pdf

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 15:13:11 -0800 (PST), Gregory Morrow
> wrote:

>Dan Abel wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
>>
>> > Now THIS will make ya hurl, kids...:
>> > . . Ice from 11 restaurants or bars had high levels of
>> > "total coliform bacteria" -- more than 200 bacteria colonies per milliliter
>> > "It means that obviously someone's not washing their hands properly, and
>> > there's fecal mater," Guichard said. "If there's enough, it can make someone
>> > sick."
>>
>> My sister has 6 dogs. They all lick their butts and genitals. They
>> don't get sick. All cats do this also.
>
>
>That's why I don't have any pets, Dan...

And all this time I thought Sheldon was your pet.

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:39:42 -0600, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

> I can't stand yoghurt
>
>Jill

Is there anything you do like except bitching?

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:45:26 +0000 (UTC), Geoff Gass >
wrote:

>Sheldon > wrote:
>> These days ice dispensers are used to fill glasses... very few
>> businesses are still scooping drink ice. And there is nothing new
>> about the concept... cold drink vending machines have contained ice
>> dispensers for nigh on fifty years now... often the ice, the syrup,
>> and the carbonated water was dispensed perfectly but the machine would
>> forget the cup, so I suppose you can say it was so automated that it
>> drank it for you too.
>
>you live in the suburbs or in some place where everything is new.

Yep. He lives in Pleasantview.

kenji - yob wrote:

> In article >,
> tert in seattle > wrote:
>
> > writes:
> > >On Dec 3, 7:58 am, kenji > wrote:
> > >> In article >,
> > >> tert in seattle > wrote:
>
> > >> > I worked one day at a restaurant
>
> > >> quit or fired?
>
> > >Could be Rent-a-Temp, too.
>
> > or none of the above
>
> you lied to us for comedic purposes?


Don't be doing yer "J'accuse!" shtick to TART, asshat...


--
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Greg

Janet Baraclough wrote:

> The message
> >
> from Sheldon > contains these words:
>
>> It's a dirty world, everything contains germs... but normal healthy
>> beings have properly functioning immune systems. It's only the very
>> young, the very old, and those with compromised immune systems who
>> need to take extra precautions. If we made sure to live in a sterile
>> environment then we'd all have extremely compromised immune systems,
>> in fact we'd have no immunity whatsoever.
>
> Sheldon has got lost in his head, again.
>
> Janet
>
Except what you quote of his post above is absolutely correct.

Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 15:13:11 -0800 (PST), Gregory Morrow
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >Dan Abel wrote:
>
> >> In article >,
> >> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
>
> >> > Now THIS will make ya hurl, kids...:
> >> > . . Ice from 11 restaurants or bars had high levels of
> >> > "total coliform bacteria" -- more than 200 bacteria colonies per milliliter
> >> > "It means that obviously someone's not washing their hands properly, and
> >> > there's fecal mater," Guichard said. "If there's enough, it can make someone
> >> > sick."
>
> >> My sister has 6 dogs. They all lick their butts and genitals. They
> >> don't get sick. All cats do this also.
>
> >That's why I don't have any pets, Dan...
>
> And all this time I thought Sheldon was your pet.


Naw, that'd be "cybercat"...

Getting back to pets, cats are okay, but I really CANNOT abide dogs,
they are generally filthy animals. And they are generally filthy
because of the neglectful owners...

My nabe is AWASH in the beasts, I'm CONSTANTLY dodging dogshit on the
sidewalks, in danger of getting entangled in dog leashes, etc...

Despite the leash laws, many idjits let their dogs off the lease...

The WORST offenders are airheaded young wimmin and *** men, they have
a propensity for irritating lil' yip - yap dogs, not just one, but two
are three...I guess they consider them fashion accessories.

People should NOT be allowed to have dogs unless they have a yard to
let them run in, in fact I'd ban dogs from the city proper entirely...

Anyways, that's my rant 'o the day...my next one will be "Morons
riding bicycles on the sidewalk"...


:-)


--
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Greg

Goomba38 wrote:

> Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
>> The message
>> >
>> from Sheldon > contains these words:
>>
>>> It's a dirty world, everything contains germs... but normal healthy
>>> beings have properly functioning immune systems. It's only the very
>>> young, the very old, and those with compromised immune systems who
>>> need to take extra precautions. If we made sure to live in a sterile
>>> environment then we'd all have extremely compromised immune systems,
>>> in fact we'd have no immunity whatsoever.
>>
>> Sheldon has got lost in his head, again.
>>
>> Janet
>>
> Except what you quote of his post above is absolutely correct.

I think I'll go eat worms.

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Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message >
> from Goomba38 > contains these words:
>
>> Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
>>> The message
>>> >
>>> from Sheldon > contains these words:
>>>
>>>> It's a dirty world, everything contains germs... but normal healthy
>>>> beings have properly functioning immune systems. It's only the very
>>>> young, the very old, and those with compromised immune systems who
>>>> need to take extra precautions. If we made sure to live in a sterile
>>>> environment then we'd all have extremely compromised immune systems,
>>>> in fact we'd have no immunity whatsoever.
>>> Sheldon has got lost in his head, again.
>>>
>>> Janet
>>>
>> Except what you quote of his post above is absolutely correct.
> Duh; the point was, in one thread he made two entirely contradictory
> posts; the one above, and the one you edited out, climing it's necessary
> to sterilise everything .
>
> Janet
>
> Janet

I didn't read that other comment, honestly. I'll have to check the
archives and see what you're talking about.

On Dec 3, 10:46 am, tert in seattle > wrote:
> writes:
> >On Dec 3, 7:58 am, kenji > wrote:
> >> In article >,
> >> tert in seattle > wrote:
>
> >> > I worked one day at a restaurant
>
> >> quit or fired?
>
> >Could be Rent-a-Temp, too.
>
> or none of the above

To be sure. The world is not binary.

On Dec 3, 1:45 pm, Geoff Gass > wrote:
> Sheldon > wrote:
> > These days ice dispensers are used to fill glasses... very few
> > businesses are still scooping drink ice. And there is nothing new
> > about the concept... cold drink vending machines have contained ice
> > dispensers for nigh on fifty years now... often the ice, the syrup,
> > and the carbonated water was dispensed perfectly but the machine would
> > forget the cup, so I suppose you can say it was so automated that it
> > drank it for you too.
>
> you live in the suburbs or in some place where everything is new.

The people who work at my suburban taqueria fill the coke dispenser
from a bucket full of ice.

writes:
>In article >,
> tert in seattle > wrote:
>
>> writes:
>> >On Dec 3, 7:58 am, kenji > wrote:
>> >> In article >,
>> >> tert in seattle > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I worked one day at a restaurant
>> >>
>> >> quit or fired?
>> >
>> >Could be Rent-a-Temp, too.
>>
>> or none of the above
>
>you lied to us for comedic purposes?

no sir

> wrote in message ...
> Sheldon > wrote:
> > And anyway water from a tap is not all that pure... if from a
> > municipal source that treats with chlorine (most municipalities do
> > not) it was pretty much bacteria free (live bacteria free that is)
> > when it left the plant but before it gets halfway to your tap it's
> > loaded with bacteria from the old underground piping, not to mention
> > the encrusted interior of most home plumbing. There are very few
> > water treatment facilities at homes or business.
>
> Utter nonsense. The EPA enforces water quality standards across
> the country and the large majority of municipal water systems use
> chlorine, chlorinates, or chloramines to disinfect their water
> and because they can control residual levels in the water supply
> to keep the water disinfected.
>
> http://www.epa.gov/safewater/wot/pdf...ontap_full.pdf
>
It isn't actually utter nonsense. As mentioned above, there is also the
plumbing before it gets dispensed out of the faucet. Here are some simple
tests:

How clean is the faucet itself? Remove the aerator and stick a finger or a
cotton swab into the opening. Is there any residue inside that faucet
outlet?

Also keep in mind that over time, that rubber O-ring for the aerator starts
to soften and deteriorate. That's also being mixed with the water before it
comes out of the tap, no matter how pure the water may be from the water
treatment plant.

Or, wash a load of clothes in the washing machine and leave it overnight. Do
the clothes start to smell like mildew? Those mildew spores are in the
water, and they got there somewhere between the treatment plant and the
faucets that fill the washing machine.

Or else, how frequently does one have to clean their toilet bowl or bathtub
for mildew? Again, those spores are in the water, they got there somewhere
between the treatment plant and the pipes that fill the toilet tank or the
faucet that fills the bathtub (and re-routed pipe for the shower above the
bathtub faucet outlet where it exists). Red color usually shows up before
the mildew starts to turn a black color.

That's why I at least use a carbon filter (e.g, Brita) before drinking any
water that comes from the tap. The water quality levels generally apply for
the water tested at the treatment plants, not at the tap that is ultimately
dispensing that water. Water quality varies at the tap that is dispensing
the water.

Daniel W. Rouse Jr. > wrote:
> > wrote in message ...
> > Sheldon > wrote:
> > > And anyway water from a tap is not all that pure... if from a
> > > municipal source that treats with chlorine (most municipalities do
> > > not) it was pretty much bacteria free (live bacteria free that is)
> > > when it left the plant but before it gets halfway to your tap it's
> > > loaded with bacteria from the old underground piping, not to mention
> > > the encrusted interior of most home plumbing. There are very few
> > > water treatment facilities at homes or business.
> >
> > Utter nonsense. The EPA enforces water quality standards across
> > the country and the large majority of municipal water systems use
> > chlorine, chlorinates, or chloramines to disinfect their water
> > and because they can control residual levels in the water supply
> > to keep the water disinfected.
> >
> > http://www.epa.gov/safewater/wot/pdf...ontap_full.pdf
> >
> It isn't actually utter nonsense. As mentioned above, there is also the
> plumbing before it gets dispensed out of the faucet. Here are some simple
> tests:

The utter nonsense part was Sheldon saying that most municipalities
don't treat their water. They pretty much all do treat their water, and
the most common treatment is chlorine because it is cheap, and also
because they can ensure some residual chlorine level to help slow
bateria growth in the piping and water mains. Also, testing is done
not only at the water treatment plant, but also at various locations
throughout the system. New York City has test points located on
the streets throughout the city. Other municipalites test water
closer to the consumer also. Some test at fire hydrants.

> How clean is the faucet itself? Remove the aerator and stick a finger or a
> cotton swab into the opening. Is there any residue inside that faucet
> outlet?

Of course, the municipality doesn't routinely test your house's plumbing,
though most will check your water at your faucet if you ask them.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

> wrote in message ...
> Daniel W. Rouse Jr. > wrote:
>> > wrote in message ...
>> > Sheldon > wrote:
>> > > And anyway water from a tap is not all that pure... if from a
>> > > municipal source that treats with chlorine (most municipalities do
>> > > not) it was pretty much bacteria free (live bacteria free that is)
>> > > when it left the plant but before it gets halfway to your tap it's
>> > > loaded with bacteria from the old underground piping, not to mention
>> > > the encrusted interior of most home plumbing. There are very few
>> > > water treatment facilities at homes or business.
>> >
>> > Utter nonsense. The EPA enforces water quality standards across
>> > the country and the large majority of municipal water systems use
>> > chlorine, chlorinates, or chloramines to disinfect their water
>> > and because they can control residual levels in the water supply
>> > to keep the water disinfected.
>> >
>> > http://www.epa.gov/safewater/wot/pdf...ontap_full.pdf
>> >
>> It isn't actually utter nonsense. As mentioned above, there is also the
>> plumbing before it gets dispensed out of the faucet. Here are some simple
>> tests:
>
> The utter nonsense part was Sheldon saying that most municipalities
> don't treat their water. They pretty much all do treat their water, and
> the most common treatment is chlorine because it is cheap, and also
> because they can ensure some residual chlorine level to help slow
> bateria growth in the piping and water mains. Also, testing is done
> not only at the water treatment plant, but also at various locations
> throughout the system. New York City has test points located on
> the streets throughout the city. Other municipalites test water
> closer to the consumer also. Some test at fire hydrants.
>
>> How clean is the faucet itself? Remove the aerator and stick a finger or
>> a
>> cotton swab into the opening. Is there any residue inside that faucet
>> outlet?
>
> Of course, the municipality doesn't routinely test your house's plumbing,
> though most will check your water at your faucet if you ask them.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, Va.


I'd rather have it done on my own; 'but that's just meeee.'
However, other places like the water softeners home sales will do some kind
of testing for free.
Some pool places will send it off for free also.

Dee Dee

On Dec 4, 11:45�am, wrote:
> Daniel W. Rouse Jr. > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > wrote in ...
> > > Sheldon > wrote:
> > > > And anyway water from a tap is not all that pure... if from a
> > > > municipal source that treats with chlorine (most municipalities do
> > > > not) it was pretty much bacteria free (live bacteria free that is)
> > > > when it left the plant but before it gets halfway to your tap it's
> > > > loaded with bacteria from the old underground piping, not to mention
> > > > the encrusted interior of most home plumbing. �There are very few
> > > > water treatment facilities at homes or business.
>
> > > Utter nonsense. �The EPA enforces water quality standards across
> > > the country and the large majority of municipal water systems use
> > > chlorine, chlorinates, or chloramines to disinfect their water
> > > and because they can control residual levels in the water supply
> > > to keep the water disinfected.
>
> > >http://www.epa.gov/safewater/wot/pdf...ontap_full.pdf
>
> > It isn't actually utter nonsense. As mentioned above, there is also the
> > plumbing before it gets dispensed out of the faucet. Here are some simple
> > tests:
>
> The utter nonsense part was Sheldon saying that most municipalities
> don't treat their water. �

Most, the vast, vast majority, do not chlorinate... they filter for
particulates and odors, but they do very little for hardness and they
do not chlorinate, or fluoridate... mostly it's only very large cities
with very old distribution systems that chlorinate. Suffolk County,
Long Island, population about 3 million adds no chlorine, doesn't need
to, its water comes from its own aquafer, it contains extremely low
levels of microbes. Municipalities monitor for organics, like petro
chemicals, insecticides, fertilizer, heavy metals, radioactivity and
such because living organisms are mostly generated in distribution
piping and storage facilities, mostly inside the end users
facilities. In order to add enough chloine to deal with private
distribution the water would not be potable... what good is bacteria
free water if you can't drink it... were there a high enough
concentration of chlorine to kill the microbes inside your house
plumbing it would kill you too. If one checks municipal water company
web sites they'll discover that most do not chlorinate, why, because
it isn't needed... water is chloinated only where absolutely necessary
and only to the minimally necessary degree. The odor of chloine is no
indicaion of quantity... even swimming pools reeking of chloine still
need testing and in most cases need a boost. If one happens to live
in a local where water is chloinated just becaue you smell it at the
tap doesn't mean it's doing a thing to kill harmful bacteria in your
pipes... only enough was added to treat the main distribution
system... many large old cities still use wooden aquaducts to
transport water from reservoirs many miles away... NYC is such a case,
even though one can smell the chlorine at the tap it is not very
strong. But most municipalities use deep well water, it almost always
contains so low a bacteria level it needs no treatment.

Sheldon

wrote:
>>
> Of course, the municipality doesn't routinely test your house's plumbing,
> though most will check your water at your faucet if you ask them.


Absolutely not... that would be illegal... in every case they will
tell you to have your water tested by an independant laboratory of
your choice.

Municipal water companies monitor water at their faciilities
constantly, they publish the results periodically, usually monthly...
those results are public record and extremely accurate. Any testing
on private property needs to be conducted by the property owner... any
pinhead should be able to comprehend why... you haven't a clue what
your talking about, you didn't the last time you invaded rfc, Rank.
And I notice you're still stealing the Internet services of your
employer.

Sheldon

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:28:42 -0800 (PST), Gregory Morrow
> wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote:

>> And all this time I thought Sheldon was your pet.
>
>
>Naw, that'd be "cybercat"...

Oh

>Getting back to pets, cats are okay, but I really CANNOT abide dogs,
>they are generally filthy animals. And they are generally filthy
>because of the neglectful owners...

Cat's are ok as long as they're not living with me. I try to avoid
going places that have dogs. We had the one Louise had until last
July. He's with the oldest daughter now. She and her boyfriend got a
place in beautiful Berwyn. They actually do need a dog in the
neighborhood, but dog has known the boyfriend for 5 years but he bit
him the first week, along with one of the neighbors. Now that oldest
daughter is an adult she's not real happy about him scooting his ass
on the nice rugs she bought. I wanted to put him down and they all
thought I was horrible. I just laugh when I hear the weekly problems
she has with him.
>
>My nabe is AWASH in the beasts, I'm CONSTANTLY dodging dogshit on the
>sidewalks, in danger of getting entangled in dog leashes, etc...
>
>Despite the leash laws, many idjits let their dogs off the lease...
>
>The WORST offenders are airheaded young wimmin and *** men, they have
>a propensity for irritating lil' yip - yap dogs, not just one, but two
>are three...I guess they consider them fashion accessories.

And they expect everyone else to think they're as cute as they think
they are. Kinda like babies.

>People should NOT be allowed to have dogs unless they have a yard to
>let them run in, in fact I'd ban dogs from the city proper entirely...

We had a double lot so he had lots of room, but I still hated the
mess.

>Anyways, that's my rant 'o the day...my next one will be "Morons
>riding bicycles on the sidewalk"...

I saw a kid riding very fast hit a leash as a woman came out on to the
sidewalk. The force brought the lady, the dog and the kid all
together. She was hurt but she still beat the crap out of the
asshole. By the time she was done he was bleeding too.

Lou