On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:15:26 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I can usually have things chopped up by hand in less time than it
>takes to get the machine out of the cupboard and assembled.

First mistake: not having it on the counter (assembled)...

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:37:49 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
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>As well, most people many times prefer the texture of the cut-by-hand
>vegetable; i.e., bell peppers, onions, carrots, etc. to the f.p., which I am
>sure you do, too.

Some people even like lumpy mashed potatoes with skin. I don't.
YUCK!

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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:12:16 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
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>http://coconutlime.blogspot.com/2006...own-betty.html

How did it turn out? Did you serve it plain?

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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:12:16 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
> wrote:
>
>>http://coconutlime.blogspot.com/2006...own-betty.html
>
> How did it turn out? Did you serve it plain?
>

It turned out badly. I've been threatening to not buy mangoes anymore. I
always do. NO MORE MANGOES!
They are just too stringy. I made ice cream from this same batch, but I
put them in the Vita-Mix. They just aren't edible otherwise.

I will not buy anymore until I can buy the less-stringy ones, the yellow
ones.

Otherwise the taste of the brown betty with the substituted bread was very
good. But I threw it out.

Thanks for asking.
Dee Dee

On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:26:00 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote:
>
>I will not buy anymore until I can buy the less-stringy ones, the yellow
>ones.
>
>Otherwise the taste of the brown betty with the substituted bread was very
>good. But I threw it out.
>
Sorry to hear that! I'm not familiar with the concept of stringy
mangoes.... were they ripe?

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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:26:00 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
> wrote:
>>
>>I will not buy anymore until I can buy the less-stringy ones, the yellow
>>ones.
>>
>>Otherwise the taste of the brown betty with the substituted bread was very
>>good. But I threw it out.
>>
> Sorry to hear that! I'm not familiar with the concept of stringy
> mangoes.... were they ripe?
>


Yes. I had let them ripen as I usually do.

In the Asian stores, they sell the yellow ones (not always) , and as I like
to talk to people of different ethnicity in food stores to get new ideas and
communicate with other people, they always confirm that they are buying the
yellow ones because of the stringy-ness. Whether they do it by gesture or
can speak English well, I always enjoy the conversation and learn something
everytime.

I have bought at Costco a few times when they've had the yellow mangoes,
which they put in the bubble wraps, 1 to each bubble, and they are not
stringy. So -- there I go! NO MORE 'REGULAR' MANGOES!

Dee Dee

margaret suran schrieb :
> Dee.Dee wrote:
>> margaret suran wrote :
>>> I spent most of my childhood in Vienna and left when I was eleven years old.
>>> In 1938, which makes me rather old. (
>>
According to my math, you're a bit above 35 ;-)

>>
>>
>> I know not your circumstances then, but I'm thinking 'How wonderful to have
>> known Vienna so well.'
>
> My circumstances then? We were Jews and Hitler had just annexed Austria.
> That my Father and his three brothers had fought as officers in the
> Austro-Hungarian army during the First World War, meant nothing. After taking
> all our possessions, the Nazis wanted our lives, too.
>
Sorry to hear that.
Those vile Nazi scum drove many of the best Austrians out or killed them.
They went through my family, too. Not half of them survived the war; some
were killed as soldiers, some as opponents.

> We were among the lucky ones. We were able to leave. My Parents, my Sister
> and I each carried a small overnight bag, as if we were going away for a week
> end.
>>
>> Years ago DH and I spent 10 wonderful days there, walking, eating, taking in
>> all the historical site, buildings and museums and parks, the opera (La
>> Traviata, of course) -- (Sigh!)
>
> I should probably be ashamed, but when my husband and I went to Vienna in
> 1965, we went to hear Puccini (Tosca) and Lehar (Zarewitsch).
>
Why be ashamed of Puccini and Lehar ? Good music.

> We also went to all the restaurants my husband, nine years my senior,
> remembered from his youth and had some memorable meals.
>>
>> At the time we were going there, there was a book that I relished about
>> Vienna that put me in the mood for it, too. I've never seen that book since,
>> nor know what it is. It was then in paperback - a semi-serious well-written
>> book.
>
> Do you remember anything at all about it? Was the story about the pre-war
> years or about what time? Don't you remember anything at all about it?
>>
>> 1983 Vienna - Dee Dee
>> http://i18.tinypic.com/6o5v9yd.jpg
>
> Where was the picture taken? Kaertnerstrasse?

Yes, that's Kaerntnerstrasse. (I've worked in Vienna for some years).

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

"Dave Bugg" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>
>> That reminds of some USAns ordering "Salzburger Nockerln".
>> When asked how many they wanted, they said 5 per person.
>> The look on their faces when the casseroles arrived was priceless ;-)
>
> LOL!! I know that look from when I had a group of EURans each wanting to order
> a couple of slabs of ribs each, in addition to a bisket sandwich each with
> some sides. I tried -- in vain -- to explain to the 4 of 'em just how big a
> slab of our spare ribs are. They were polite, but insistant. Needless to say,
> when the ribs actually arrived, the look they gave was absolutely precious. We
> all had a laugh, and I gave them a big discount on the ribs.
>
> They ended up glad that they had ordered so much because they liked the bbq
> ribs so well that they were happy to take a big doggy bag full for later. They
> had rented a big ol' RV and were touring the American west coast, so they had
> refrigerator space and a microwave.
>
> Good folks.
>
I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to, tell me.
So I never had that look on my face.
But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

margaret suran schrieb :
> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I am looking forward to the recipes you will post.
>>
>> Any favourires ?
>>
> No favorites. I never liked Warme Mehlspeisen.

Not even Scheiterhaufen ?

> The only exception is buttered Homemade broad egg noodles with ground walnuts
> and Staubzucker.

Sounds like Mannheimer Auflauf.

> I just want to see how you make those dishes. I like to read recipes, but
> that does not necessarily mean that I would like to make or eat them.
>
Ah, then I could post the "garum" (liquamen) recipe from Apicius ;-)

> I spent most of my childhood in Vienna and left when I was eleven years old.

Ah, eine Oesterreicherin ! Kuess die Hand !

> In 1938, which makes me rather old. (

A little above 35 isn't old ;-)

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

margaret suran schrieb :
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>>
>> Nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't believe it. You come over as a very
>> energetic and sassy lady)
>>
>> Anyway, please do what you can to squeeze as many recipes that you can out
>> of Michael)))))))))))
>
> Ophelia! That should not be too difficult. If you address him as Sehr
> Geehrter Herr Kuettner, he should turn to putty in your hands. Or not, as the
> case may be.
>
"Euer Gnaden" and large amounts of money could do the trick (hint,hint) ;-)

> One of the few dumplings that I will eat is a Leberknoedel, the small kind,
> made with chicken livers and served in a good chicken soup. Perhaps you can
> prevail upon him to share this recipe with rfc.
>
Baked or normal Leberknoederl ?

> Both Knoedel recipes Michael Kuettner posted today look quite good as side
> dishes for certain meats. The Semmelknoedeln are very good with Roasted Duck
> or roasted pork, the fowl made the Austrian way with gravy.
>
And the potato Knoedel goes well with beef, sauerbraten, e.g.

> Let's see how far you will get. Start the request with Gruess Gott, the
> preferred Austrian greeting (G-d's Greeting) and end it with Servus (at your
> service). Well, that is the way it used to be.

Ah, no ! "Gschamsta Diena" at the start and "Kuess Handerl, kuess Fusserl" at
the end (and huge amounts of cash) ;-)

Servus,

Michael Kuettner

On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:59:53 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote:

>1983 Vienna - Dee Dee
>http://i18.tinypic.com/6o5v9yd.jpg

Is that you in the picture, DeeDee? Man, you were one HOT mama!

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Michael Kuettner wrote:
> "Dave Bugg" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> ...
>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>
>>> That reminds of some USAns ordering "Salzburger Nockerln".
>>> When asked how many they wanted, they said 5 per person.
>>> The look on their faces when the casseroles arrived was priceless
>>> ;-)
>>
>> LOL!! I know that look from when I had a group of EURans each
>> wanting to order a couple of slabs of ribs each, in addition to a
>> bisket sandwich each with some sides. I tried -- in vain -- to
>> explain to the 4 of 'em just how big a slab of our spare ribs are.
>> They were polite, but insistant. Needless to say, when the ribs
>> actually arrived, the look they gave was absolutely precious. We all
>> had a laugh, and I gave them a big discount on the ribs. They ended up
>> glad that they had ordered so much because they liked
>> the bbq ribs so well that they were happy to take a big doggy bag
>> full for later. They had rented a big ol' RV and were touring the
>> American west coast, so they had refrigerator space and a microwave.
>>
>> Good folks.
>>
> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).

I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude. It fits
so perfectly with what it describes :-)
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Dave Bugg wrote:
> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>> "Dave Bugg" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> ...
>>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>
>>>> That reminds of some USAns ordering "Salzburger Nockerln".
>>>> When asked how many they wanted, they said 5 per person.
>>>> The look on their faces when the casseroles arrived was priceless
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> LOL!! I know that look from when I had a group of EURans each
>>> wanting to order a couple of slabs of ribs each, in addition to a
>>> bisket sandwich each with some sides. I tried -- in vain -- to
>>> explain to the 4 of 'em just how big a slab of our spare ribs are.
>>> They were polite, but insistant. Needless to say, when the ribs
>>> actually arrived, the look they gave was absolutely precious. We all
>>> had a laugh, and I gave them a big discount on the ribs. They ended
>>> up glad that they had ordered so much because they liked
>>> the bbq ribs so well that they were happy to take a big doggy bag
>>> full for later. They had rented a big ol' RV and were touring the
>>> American west coast, so they had refrigerator space and a microwave.
>>>
>>> Good folks.
>>>
>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>
> I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude.
> It fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)

Taking pleasure in someones misfortune?

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> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:59:53 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
> wrote:
>
>>1983 Vienna - Dee Dee
>>http://i18.tinypic.com/6o5v9yd.jpg
>
> Is that you in the picture, DeeDee? Man, you were one HOT mama!
>
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Yes, that's me. Those were my 'salad days.'
Dee Dee

"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
...
> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>> "Dave Bugg" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> ...
>>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>
>>>> That reminds of some USAns ordering "Salzburger Nockerln".
>>>> When asked how many they wanted, they said 5 per person.
>>>> The look on their faces when the casseroles arrived was priceless
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> LOL!! I know that look from when I had a group of EURans each
>>> wanting to order a couple of slabs of ribs each, in addition to a
>>> bisket sandwich each with some sides. I tried -- in vain -- to
>>> explain to the 4 of 'em just how big a slab of our spare ribs are.
>>> They were polite, but insistant. Needless to say, when the ribs
>>> actually arrived, the look they gave was absolutely precious. We all
>>> had a laugh, and I gave them a big discount on the ribs. They ended up
>>> glad that they had ordered so much because they liked
>>> the bbq ribs so well that they were happy to take a big doggy bag
>>> full for later. They had rented a big ol' RV and were touring the
>>> American west coast, so they had refrigerator space and a microwave.
>>>
>>> Good folks.
>>>
>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>
> I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude. It
> fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)
> --
> Dave
> www.davebbq.com

I find it interesting that the word is a combination of "freude." You know,
Sigmon? I don't know what the schaden means, but maybe something like:
shades of Freud -- IOW Shades of Hell? ha ha!

I've read that there is no comparable word in any other language for that
particular thought. Wonder if that is true.
Dee Dee

Ophelia wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote:
>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>> "Dave Bugg" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>> ...
>>>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That reminds of some USAns ordering "Salzburger Nockerln".
>>>>> When asked how many they wanted, they said 5 per person.
>>>>> The look on their faces when the casseroles arrived was priceless
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> LOL!! I know that look from when I had a group of EURans each
>>>> wanting to order a couple of slabs of ribs each, in addition to a
>>>> bisket sandwich each with some sides. I tried -- in vain -- to
>>>> explain to the 4 of 'em just how big a slab of our spare ribs are.
>>>> They were polite, but insistant. Needless to say, when the ribs
>>>> actually arrived, the look they gave was absolutely precious. We
>>>> all had a laugh, and I gave them a big discount on the ribs. They
>>>> ended up glad that they had ordered so much because they liked
>>>> the bbq ribs so well that they were happy to take a big doggy bag
>>>> full for later. They had rented a big ol' RV and were touring the
>>>> American west coast, so they had refrigerator space and a
>>>> microwave. Good folks.
>>>>
>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>
>> I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude.
>> It fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>
> Taking pleasure in someones misfortune?

Yup. The English language doesn't have a similar word-meaning.

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www.davebbq.com

Michael Kuettner wrote:
> Ophelia schrieb :
>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>>>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>>
>>> I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude.
>>> It fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>>
>> Taking pleasure in someones misfortune?
> No, not exactly.
> Schadenfreude comes into play if something happens to a person who
> should have known better and could have prevented it.
> An example : If a formula I race-driver totals his car during a race -
> no schadenfreude.
> If he wraps his car around a tree while on normal streets -
> schadenfreude.

Ok I think I understand thanks Michael, but does it not refer to the
feelings of the person seeing this?

On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:30:30 -0800, "Dave Bugg" >
wrote:

>Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>
>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>
>I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude. It fits
>so perfectly with what it describes :-)

but now it does!

whenever english meets a foreign word she likes, she takes it down a
dark alley, knocks it over the head, and steals it for her own.

(does anyone know the exact quote? felice?)

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:05:26 +0100, "Michael Kuettner"
> wrote:

>
>Ophelia schrieb :
>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>>>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>>
>>> I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude.
>>> It fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>>
>> Taking pleasure in someones misfortune?
>No, not exactly.
>Schadenfreude comes into play if something happens to a person who should
>have known better and could have prevented it.
>An example : If a formula I race-driver totals his car during a race -
>no schadenfreude.
>If he wraps his car around a tree while on normal streets - schadenfreude.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Michael Kuettner
>

no, i think ophelia is right, at least as used by english speakers.
no requirement that they 'should have known better.'

my favorite comment on the word was by a commenter on some political
blog, referring to the unseemly glee at larry craig's misfortunes:

'it's not schadenfreude if the *******s deserve it.'

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:32:56 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote:

>Michael Kuettner wrote:
>> Ophelia schrieb :
>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>>>>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>>>
>>>> I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude.
>>>> It fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>>>
>>> Taking pleasure in someones misfortune?
>> No, not exactly.
>> Schadenfreude comes into play if something happens to a person who
>> should have known better and could have prevented it.
>> An example : If a formula I race-driver totals his car during a race -
>> no schadenfreude.
>> If he wraps his car around a tree while on normal streets -
>> schadenfreude.
>
>Ok I think I understand thanks Michael, but does it not refer to the
>feelings of the person seeing this?
>

my dictionary marks it as german, 'glee at another's misfortune.' mel
brooks touched on it obliquely when he said 'tragedy is when i cut my
finger. comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.'

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:59:47 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote:

>
>"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
...
>> Michael Kuettner wrote:

>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>
>> I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude. It
>> fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>> --
>> Dave
>> www.davebbq.com
>
>I find it interesting that the word is a combination of "freude." You know,
>Sigmon? I don't know what the schaden means, but maybe something like:
>shades of Freud -- IOW Shades of Hell? ha ha!
>
merriam-webster online gives this etymology:

German, from *Schaden* damage + *Freude* joy

>I've read that there is no comparable word in any other language for that
>particular thought. Wonder if that is true.
>Dee Dee
>

i would doubt that, given the lovely people humans are. english
speakers would just rather steal a word than make one up.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:05:26 +0100, "Michael Kuettner"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Ophelia schrieb :
>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>>>>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>>>
>>>> I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude.
>>>> It fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>>>
>>> Taking pleasure in someones misfortune?
>> No, not exactly.
>> Schadenfreude comes into play if something happens to a person who
>> should have known better and could have prevented it.
>> An example : If a formula I race-driver totals his car during a race
>> -
>> no schadenfreude.
>> If he wraps his car around a tree while on normal streets -
>> schadenfreude.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Michael Kuettner
>>
>
> no, i think ophelia is right, at least as used by english speakers.
> no requirement that they 'should have known better.'
>
> my favorite comment on the word was by a commenter on some political
> blog, referring to the unseemly glee at larry craig's misfortunes:
>
> 'it's not schadenfreude if the *******s deserve it.'

LOL

blake murphy wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:32:56 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>> Ophelia schrieb :
>>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go
>>>>>> to, tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>>>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish the English language had a comparable word to
>>>>> schadenfreude. It fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>>>>
>>>> Taking pleasure in someones misfortune?
>>> No, not exactly.
>>> Schadenfreude comes into play if something happens to a person who
>>> should have known better and could have prevented it.
>>> An example : If a formula I race-driver totals his car during a
>>> race - no schadenfreude.
>>> If he wraps his car around a tree while on normal streets -
>>> schadenfreude.
>>
>> Ok I think I understand thanks Michael, but does it not refer to the
>> feelings of the person seeing this?
>>
>
> my dictionary marks it as german, 'glee at another's misfortune.' mel
> brooks touched on it obliquely when he said 'tragedy is when i cut my
> finger. comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.'


'glee at another's misfortune', yes, that is how I have always seen it.

On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:04:28 -0800, sf wrote:

>On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:59:53 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
>wrote:
>
>>1983 Vienna - Dee Dee
>>http://i18.tinypic.com/6o5v9yd.jpg
>
>Is that you in the picture, DeeDee? Man, you were one HOT mama!

i wondered that myself, but was too circumspect to ask.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:30:30 -0800, "Dave Bugg" >
> wrote:
>
>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>>
>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>
>> I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude.
>> It fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>
> but now it does!
>
> whenever english meets a foreign word she likes, she takes it down a
> dark alley, knocks it over the head, and steals it for her own.
>
> (does anyone know the exact quote? felice?)

:-) Heck, that's been the case as far back as hominid history. Linguists
are still looking for the original mother language.
--
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"blake murphy" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:30:30 -0800, "Dave Bugg" >
> wrote:
>
>>Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>>
>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>
>>I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude. It fits
>>so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>
> but now it does!
>
> whenever english meets a foreign word she likes, she takes it down a
> dark alley, knocks it over the head, and steals it for her own.
>
> (does anyone know the exact quote? felice?)
>
AFAIR, it went : "While every language borrows words, the English
language is the only one to lure the victim into a dark alley, knocks
it over the head and goes through the pockets for vocabulary."

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

"Ophelia" schrieb :
> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>> Ophelia schrieb :
>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>>>>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>>>
>>>> I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude.
>>>> It fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>>>
>>> Taking pleasure in someones misfortune?
>> No, not exactly.
>> Schadenfreude comes into play if something happens to a person who
>> should have known better and could have prevented it.
>> An example : If a formula I race-driver totals his car during a race -
>> no schadenfreude.
>> If he wraps his car around a tree while on normal streets -
>> schadenfreude.
>
> Ok I think I understand thanks Michael, but does it not refer to the feelings
> of the person seeing this?
>
Of course. Or hearing or reading about it.
Schadenfreude is never felt by the victim (unless he's a masochist ;-))

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

blake murphy schrieb :
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:05:26 +0100, "Michael Kuettner"wrote:
<snip>
>>Schadenfreude comes into play if something happens to a person who should
>>have known better and could have prevented it.
>>An example : If a formula I race-driver totals his car during a race -
>>no schadenfreude.
>>If he wraps his car around a tree while on normal streets - schadenfreude.
>>
>
> no, i think ophelia is right, at least as used by english speakers.
> no requirement that they 'should have known better.'
>
It's that way for the original word.
I forgot to mention : "or you can't stand the victim".

> my favorite comment on the word was by a commenter on some political
> blog, referring to the unseemly glee at larry craig's misfortunes:
>
> 'it's not schadenfreude if the *******s deserve it.'
>
It's never schadenfreude because the *******s always deserve it.
So there's no such word ;-)

Cheers,

Michael "schadenfreude lightens my weltschmerz" Kuettner

Dave Bugg wrote:
>
> :-) Heck, that's been the case as far back as hominid history. Linguists
> are still looking for the original mother language.


John McWhorter, in _The Story of Human Language_ has a cool theory
(well, it's not his alone) that the original language might have been a
Bushman language with its clicks and tsks, a language so old that it was
in use before humans evolved their present day vocal cords that can make
our consonant and vowel sounds.


--Lia

Michael Kuettner wrote:
>
> AFAIR, it went : "While every language borrows words, the English
> language is the only one to lure the victim into a dark alley, knocks
> it over the head and goes through the pockets for vocabulary."


I love the quote! Any idea who said it and in what? A quick google
check didn't yield it.


--Lia

"Julia Altshuler" schrieb :
> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>> AFAIR, it went : "While every language borrows words, the English
>> language is the only one to lure the victim into a dark alley, knocks
>> it over the head and goes through the pockets for vocabulary."
>
>
> I love the quote! Any idea who said it and in what? A quick google check
> didn't yield it.
>
My money would be on Mark Twain; but I don't know.
Another quote (from Twain) : "I went to a German theater play the other
day. It was so boring that I left before the verb."

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

"Julia Altshuler" schrieb :
> Dave Bugg wrote:
>> :-) Heck, that's been the case as far back as hominid history. Linguists
>> are still looking for the original mother language.
>
>
> John McWhorter, in _The Story of Human Language_ has a cool theory (well, it's
> not his alone) that the original language might have been a Bushman language
> with its clicks and tsks, a language so old that it was in use before humans
> evolved their present day vocal cords that can make our consonant and vowel
> sounds.
>
>
McWhorter's "theory" isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
If you want to have some fun, post this paragraph in sci.lang (yes, it's
been discussed there before) ;-P

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

Michael Kuettner wrote:
>
> McWhorter's "theory" isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
> If you want to have some fun, post this paragraph in sci.lang (yes, it's
> been discussed there before) ;-P


Funny, I listened to Teaching Company tapes, so, no paper! I won't post
the paragraph, but I will check out sci.lang. I love this stuff.


--Lia

Julia Altshuler wrote:

> Michael Kuettner wrote:
> > AFAIR, it went : "While every language borrows words, the English
> > language is the only one to lure the victim into a dark alley,
> > knocks it over the head and goes through the pockets for
> > vocabulary."
>
>
> I love the quote! Any idea who said it and in what? A quick google
> check didn't yield it.

rec.arts.sf.written regular James Nicholl.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Nicoll>




Brian

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Michael Kuettner wrote:
> "Julia Altshuler" schrieb :
>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>> AFAIR, it went : "While every language borrows words, the English
>>> language is the only one to lure the victim into a dark alley,
>>> knocks it over the head and goes through the pockets for
>>> vocabulary."
>>
>>
>> I love the quote! Any idea who said it and in what? A quick google
>> check didn't yield it.
>>
> My money would be on Mark Twain; but I don't know.
> Another quote (from Twain) : "I went to a German theater play the
> other day. It was so boring that I left before the verb."

LOL

Default User wrote:
>
> rec.arts.sf.written regular James Nicholl.
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Nicoll>


Cool! Thanks. In addition to its being a good quote, I love the urban
myth that accompanies it, the way something said in usenet starts
getting attributed to writers from a hundred years ago.


(I've now subscribed to sci.lang. My undergraduate course in
linguistics 25 years ago means they're all way out of my league, but
it's such an interesting subject that I'll hang around even if I'm too
outclassed to post much.)


--Lia

"Julia Altshuler" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. ..
> Default User wrote:
>> rec.arts.sf.written regular James Nicholl.
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Nicoll>
>
>
> Cool! Thanks. In addition to its being a good quote, I love the urban myth
> that accompanies it, the way something said in usenet starts getting
> attributed to writers from a hundred years ago.
>
Eh ! I said my cash would be on Twain.
It would have been his style.

>
> (I've now subscribed to sci.lang. My undergraduate course in linguistics 25
> years ago means they're all way out of my league, but it's such an interesting
> subject that I'll hang around even if I'm too outclassed to post much.)
>
Be prepared to clean house in sci.lang. It's under a splurge attack
from some sci.crypt - reject.

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:55:40 -0500, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

>
>
>(I've now subscribed to sci.lang. My undergraduate course in
>linguistics 25 years ago means they're all way out of my league, but
>it's such an interesting subject that I'll hang around even if I'm too
>outclassed to post much.)

After you've read the anti-click type theories, get back to me. I
can't imagine why they would think tonal consonants and vowels came
first (if that's really the theory).

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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:55:31 -0800, "Dave Bugg" >
wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:30:30 -0800, "Dave Bugg" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>>>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>>
>>> I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude.
>>> It fits so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>>
>> but now it does!
>>
>> whenever english meets a foreign word she likes, she takes it down a
>> dark alley, knocks it over the head, and steals it for her own.
>>
>> (does anyone know the exact quote? felice?)
>
>:-) Heck, that's been the case as far back as hominid history. Linguists
>are still looking for the original mother language.

yeah, but i think english embraces it far more than other languages.
look at L'Académie française having fits over 'le weekend' or 'le
walkman' and the like. i don't speak german, either, but i don't
think there is any widespread adoption of english words there, either.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:56:00 +0100, "Michael Kuettner"
> wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .
>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:30:30 -0800, "Dave Bugg" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> I always listen carefully what people born in the country I go to,
>>>> tell me. So I never had that look on my face.
>>>> But it's priceless to watch (schadenfreude ;-)).
>>>
>>>I wish the English language had a comparable word to schadenfreude. It fits
>>>so perfectly with what it describes :-)
>>
>> but now it does!
>>
>> whenever english meets a foreign word she likes, she takes it down a
>> dark alley, knocks it over the head, and steals it for her own.
>>
>> (does anyone know the exact quote? felice?)
>>
>AFAIR, it went : "While every language borrows words, the English
>language is the only one to lure the victim into a dark alley, knocks
>it over the head and goes through the pockets for vocabulary."
>
>Cheers,
>
>Michael Kuettner
>

ah yes, i think that's it. a much more elegant formulation than mine.
thanks, michael.

your pal,
blake