I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.

Last week I made a bunch of brownies and other goodies to take to church
for a thing. I didn't put any nuts in the brownies because once upon a
time I made several hundred brownies to sell at a church rummage sale
and they didn't sell very well because they had walnuts in them, and the
hysterical mothers were afraid of them. Nevermind that walnuts are not
peanuts. Most of the other folks brought stuff with peanuts or peanut
butter in them. The kids ate everything, of course. I asked my teenage
daughter, DD, about this and she rolled her eyes and said, "Peanut
allergies are *so* 1990's, Dad" (then she laughed)

Last night we had a children's program at church, so I made peanut
butter cookies.

Afterwards I got to thinking about it. I told my theory to DD and she
thinks I might be onto something: The peanut allergy craze disappeared
in fall of 2001. When terrorists destroyed the World Trade Center and
gave people something new to be hysterical about.

DD still knows a couple of kids who really are allergic to peanuts.
They carry Epi-pens with them, and they take a benedryl beforehand if
they are going somewhere there might be a lot of peanuts. The school
even serves peanut butter sandwiches again.

What do you think?

Bob

On Dec 17, 10:50 am, zxcvbob > wrote:
> I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>
> Last week I made a bunch of brownies and other goodies to take to church
> for a thing. I didn't put any nuts in the brownies because once upon a
> time I made several hundred brownies to sell at a church rummage sale
> and they didn't sell very well because they had walnuts in them, and the
> hysterical mothers were afraid of them. Nevermind that walnuts are not
> peanuts. Most of the other folks brought stuff with peanuts or peanut
> butter in them. The kids ate everything, of course. I asked my teenage
> daughter, DD, about this and she rolled her eyes and said, "Peanut
> allergies are *so* 1990's, Dad" (then she laughed)
>
> Last night we had a children's program at church, so I made peanut
> butter cookies.
>
> Afterwards I got to thinking about it. I told my theory to DD and she
> thinks I might be onto something: The peanut allergy craze disappeared
> in fall of 2001. When terrorists destroyed the World Trade Center and
> gave people something new to be hysterical about.
>
> DD still knows a couple of kids who really are allergic to peanuts.
> They carry Epi-pens with them, and they take a benedryl beforehand if
> they are going somewhere there might be a lot of peanuts. The school
> even serves peanut butter sandwiches again.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Bob

I think because of modern media methods (all of them), there is much
more recognition of, and publicity about, what probably have been
common allergies than there used to be back in the day. In addition,
the population is growing world-wide, so that means statistically,
there are more allergic people than there used to be.

I have often wondered if all the hysteria of the 90s was based on any
scientific determination that all those supposedly allergic kids were
really allergic. And what happened to those allergies when the kids
grew up?

In my case, with an allergy to tree nuts, each episode has compounded
on top of previous ones, therefore making each reaction worse than the
one before. My parents discovered this allergy when I was 7 years
old, and that's almost 60 years ago.

And here's the big question about peanut allergies: are these kids
also allergic to other legumes? If not, the peanut allergy doesn't
make much sense, but I don't hear of schools not serving peas, beans
and lentils....

N.

In article
>,
Nancy2 > wrote:

> And here's the big question about peanut allergies: are these kids
> also allergic to other legumes? If not, the peanut allergy doesn't
> make much sense, but I don't hear of schools not serving peas, beans
> and lentils....

My husband is violently allergic to tomatoes, but does not have the same
reaction to other nightshades. I react badly to wheat, but not other
gluten-bearing grains.

Miche

--
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:09:50 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> wrote:

>And here's the big question about peanut allergies: are these kids
>also allergic to other legumes? If not, the peanut allergy doesn't
>make much sense, but I don't hear of schools not serving peas, beans
>and lentils....

There are schools that don't allow peanut products at all and there
are others that have a special table for kids who have peanut product,
like peanut butter, in their lunch that day.

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sf wrote:
>
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:09:50 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> > wrote:
>
> >And here's the big question about peanut allergies: are these kids
> >also allergic to other legumes? If not, the peanut allergy doesn't
> >make much sense, but I don't hear of schools not serving peas, beans
> >and lentils....
>
> There are schools that don't allow peanut products at all and there
> are others that have a special table for kids who have peanut product,
> like peanut butter, in their lunch that day.
>
> --
> See return address to reply by email
> remove the smiley face first

Aren't peanuts different than other legumes such as beans, lentils,
peas, etc.? Peanuts are actually an 'underground' part of its plant
(IIRC), whereas the other legumes grow and mature 'above' ground.

Anywho, the peanut-allergy furor exists in my area. At the beginning of
this current school year, local TV news and several articles in
newspapers reported how some elementary schools completely banned
peanuts in any form because one or two children were allergic to them.
Shouldn't the burden belong to the parents and the affected children
themselves -- not the schools' administrations and the entire student
populations? The schools' administrations definitely should be informed
of the child's particular allergies and medical condition(s) and be
prepared for any emergency, but those accommodations and restrictions
should not be at the unreasonable expense of all the other children.
Just because one child is allergic to peanuts shouldn't mean that other
non-allergic children can't have their PB&Js, PB cookies, or
PB-whatevers at school.

However, good hygeine practices such as students thoroughly washing
their hands very well after lunch, etc. ought to be practiced to
minimize potential exposure to those who are allergic (and they may also
help prevent illness). Schools can easily make _reasonable_
accommodations for these special children by designating a 'peanut-free
zone' in their cafeterias and classrooms. Luckily, the schools I
mentioned realized they had gone too overboard by entirely banning all
peanuts and did designate peanut-free zones instead.

Sky

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Oh pshaw, on Mon 17 Dec 2007 05:19:09p, Sky meant to say...

> sf wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:09:50 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >And here's the big question about peanut allergies: are these kids
>> >also allergic to other legumes? If not, the peanut allergy doesn't
>> >make much sense, but I don't hear of schools not serving peas, beans
>> >and lentils....
>>
>> There are schools that don't allow peanut products at all and there
>> are others that have a special table for kids who have peanut product,
>> like peanut butter, in their lunch that day.
>>
>> --
>> See return address to reply by email remove the smiley face first
>
> Aren't peanuts different than other legumes such as beans, lentils,
> peas, etc.? Peanuts are actually an 'underground' part of its plant
> (IIRC), whereas the other legumes grow and mature 'above' ground.
>
> Anywho, the peanut-allergy furor exists in my area. At the beginning of
> this current school year, local TV news and several articles in
> newspapers reported how some elementary schools completely banned
> peanuts in any form because one or two children were allergic to them.
> Shouldn't the burden belong to the parents and the affected children
> themselves -- not the schools' administrations and the entire student
> populations? The schools' administrations definitely should be informed
> of the child's particular allergies and medical condition(s) and be
> prepared for any emergency, but those accommodations and restrictions
> should not be at the unreasonable expense of all the other children.
> Just because one child is allergic to peanuts shouldn't mean that other
> non-allergic children can't have their PB&Js, PB cookies, or
> PB-whatevers at school.
>
> However, good hygeine practices such as students thoroughly washing
> their hands very well after lunch, etc. ought to be practiced to
> minimize potential exposure to those who are allergic (and they may also
> help prevent illness). Schools can easily make _reasonable_
> accommodations for these special children by designating a 'peanut-free
> zone' in their cafeterias and classrooms. Luckily, the schools I
> mentioned realized they had gone too overboard by entirely banning all
> peanuts and did designate peanut-free zones instead.
>
> Sky
>

Well said, and my feelings exactly.

--
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Date: Sunday, December(XII) 16th(XVI),2007(MMVII)

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:19:09 -0600, Sky >
wrote:

>sf wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:09:50 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >And here's the big question about peanut allergies: are these kids
>> >also allergic to other legumes? If not, the peanut allergy doesn't
>> >make much sense, but I don't hear of schools not serving peas, beans
>> >and lentils....
>>
>> There are schools that don't allow peanut products at all and there
>> are others that have a special table for kids who have peanut product,
>> like peanut butter, in their lunch that day.
>>
>> --
>> See return address to reply by email
>> remove the smiley face first
>
>Aren't peanuts different than other legumes such as beans, lentils,
>peas, etc.? Peanuts are actually an 'underground' part of its plant
>(IIRC), whereas the other legumes grow and mature 'above' ground.
>
>Anywho, the peanut-allergy furor exists in my area. At the beginning of
>this current school year, local TV news and several articles in
>newspapers reported how some elementary schools completely banned
>peanuts in any form because one or two children were allergic to them.
>Shouldn't the burden belong to the parents and the affected children
>themselves -- not the schools' administrations and the entire student
>populations? The schools' administrations definitely should be informed
>of the child's particular allergies and medical condition(s) and be
>prepared for any emergency, but those accommodations and restrictions
>should not be at the unreasonable expense of all the other children.
>Just because one child is allergic to peanuts shouldn't mean that other
>non-allergic children can't have their PB&Js, PB cookies, or
>PB-whatevers at school.
>
>However, good hygeine practices such as students thoroughly washing
>their hands very well after lunch, etc. ought to be practiced to
>minimize potential exposure to those who are allergic (and they may also
>help prevent illness). Schools can easily make _reasonable_
>accommodations for these special children by designating a 'peanut-free
>zone' in their cafeterias and classrooms. Luckily, the schools I
>mentioned realized they had gone too overboard by entirely banning all
>peanuts and did designate peanut-free zones instead.
>
>Sky

yeah, the kids today are such pussies. when i was a lad, i had to
walk miles through the snow to get my anaphylactic shock.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:09:50 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> wrote:

>And here's the big question about peanut allergies: are these kids
>also allergic to other legumes? If not, the peanut allergy doesn't
>make much sense, but I don't hear of schools not serving peas, beans
>and lentils....

No expert I, but...

Your logic eludes me:

The comment above would seem to be based upon the notion
that all legumes are the same, but quite obviously, they are
not. That's why you categorize some of 'em as "peas, beans,
and lentils."

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...

>
> I think because of modern media methods (all of them), there is much
> more recognition of, and publicity about, what probably have been
> common allergies than there used to be back in the day. In addition,
> the population is growing world-wide, so that means statistically,
> there are more allergic people than there used to be.
>
> I have often wondered if all the hysteria of the 90s was based on any
> scientific determination that all those supposedly allergic kids were
> really allergic. And what happened to those allergies when the kids
> grew up?
>
> In my case, with an allergy to tree nuts, each episode has compounded
> on top of previous ones, therefore making each reaction worse than the
> one before. My parents discovered this allergy when I was 7 years
> old, and that's almost 60 years ago.

I learned of my almond allergy at age 46. In my case, my allergies are not
life threatening and do not bring on an immediate reaction. Actually now
that I've cleaned them out of my system, my reactions are more severe and
happen a lot quicker than they used to. In the case of eggs, I would get
sick to my stomach about 16 hours after I ate them. This made it very
difficult for me to pin it to the eggs. I had a RAST test done to determine
what the allergens were.
>
> And here's the big question about peanut allergies: are these kids
> also allergic to other legumes? If not, the peanut allergy doesn't
> make much sense, but I don't hear of schools not serving peas, beans
> and lentils....

Daughter is allergic to peanuts but it's not a life threatening allergy.
She can eat all other legumes except for soy. She's also allergic to that.
She has a friend with a peanut allergy, also not life threatening. Her
friend can't have any form of legumes, but those allergies are also not life
threatening.

The one that gets me is tree nuts. It seems odd that one could be allergic
to ALL tree nuts. But apparently as you know, it happens.

Oh pshaw, on Mon 17 Dec 2007 09:50:17a, zxcvbob meant to say...

> I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>
> Last week I made a bunch of brownies and other goodies to take to church
> for a thing. I didn't put any nuts in the brownies because once upon a
> time I made several hundred brownies to sell at a church rummage sale
> and they didn't sell very well because they had walnuts in them, and the
> hysterical mothers were afraid of them. Nevermind that walnuts are not
> peanuts. Most of the other folks brought stuff with peanuts or peanut
> butter in them. The kids ate everything, of course. I asked my teenage
> daughter, DD, about this and she rolled her eyes and said, "Peanut
> allergies are *so* 1990's, Dad" (then she laughed)
>
> Last night we had a children's program at church, so I made peanut
> butter cookies.
>
> Afterwards I got to thinking about it. I told my theory to DD and she
> thinks I might be onto something: The peanut allergy craze disappeared
> in fall of 2001. When terrorists destroyed the World Trade Center and
> gave people something new to be hysterical about.
>
> DD still knows a couple of kids who really are allergic to peanuts.
> They carry Epi-pens with them, and they take a benedryl beforehand if
> they are going somewhere there might be a lot of peanuts. The school
> even serves peanut butter sandwiches again.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Bob
>

For the most part, I think they're all *nuts* <emphasis intended>. I'm not
denying there are those who are allergic to peanuts, but it's not in
epidemic proportions and never was.

As I posted earlier this month, there is a new employee where David works
who purportedly has a "deadly" allergy to strawberries, even if she's in
the same building with them. Come on now..........!

It's just something else for people to get excited and/or angry about.

--
Wayne Boatwright

Date: Sunday, December(XII) 16th(XVI),2007(MMVII)

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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
3.184...
> Oh pshaw, on Mon 17 Dec 2007 09:50:17a, zxcvbob meant to say...
>
>> I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>>
>> Last week I made a bunch of brownies and other goodies to take to church
>> for a thing. I didn't put any nuts in the brownies because once upon a
>> time I made several hundred brownies to sell at a church rummage sale
>> and they didn't sell very well because they had walnuts in them, and the
>> hysterical mothers were afraid of them. Nevermind that walnuts are not
>> peanuts. Most of the other folks brought stuff with peanuts or peanut
>> butter in them. The kids ate everything, of course. I asked my teenage
>> daughter, DD, about this and she rolled her eyes and said, "Peanut
>> allergies are *so* 1990's, Dad" (then she laughed)
>>
>> Last night we had a children's program at church, so I made peanut
>> butter cookies.
>>
>> Afterwards I got to thinking about it. I told my theory to DD and she
>> thinks I might be onto something: The peanut allergy craze disappeared
>> in fall of 2001. When terrorists destroyed the World Trade Center and
>> gave people something new to be hysterical about.
>>
>> DD still knows a couple of kids who really are allergic to peanuts.
>> They carry Epi-pens with them, and they take a benedryl beforehand if
>> they are going somewhere there might be a lot of peanuts. The school
>> even serves peanut butter sandwiches again.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
> For the most part, I think they're all *nuts* <emphasis intended>. I'm
> not
> denying there are those who are allergic to peanuts, but it's not in
> epidemic proportions and never was.
>
> As I posted earlier this month, there is a new employee where David works
> who purportedly has a "deadly" allergy to strawberries, even if she's in
> the same building with them. Come on now..........!
>
> It's just something else for people to get excited and/or angry about.

There was a local case here where some girls were going to be charged with
attempted murder. They had a test in school and didn't feel like taking it.
They knew their teacher had a life threatening strawberry allergy. They put
some strawberry extract on her lip balm, thinking it would make her sick
enough that she would have to leave school and there would be no test.
Alas, she wound up in the hospital. Very ill!

I am lucky in that my allergies are not life threatening. But for some
people, merely breathing in the allergen can kill them. This is why
strawberries in a building might possibly cause a problem. Perhaps small
particles of them would get into the ventilation system and be transported
from one spot to another? Just perhaps. I have heard cases where severely
allergic people can not go into certain sections of the grocery store
because it will make them ill.

Oh pshaw, on Mon 17 Dec 2007 05:38:15p, Julie Bove meant to say...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 3.184...
>> Oh pshaw, on Mon 17 Dec 2007 09:50:17a, zxcvbob meant to say...
>>
>>> I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>>>
>>> Last week I made a bunch of brownies and other goodies to take to
>>> church for a thing. I didn't put any nuts in the brownies because
>>> once upon a time I made several hundred brownies to sell at a church
>>> rummage sale and they didn't sell very well because they had walnuts
>>> in them, and the hysterical mothers were afraid of them. Nevermind
>>> that walnuts are not peanuts. Most of the other folks brought stuff
>>> with peanuts or peanut butter in them. The kids ate everything, of
>>> course. I asked my teenage daughter, DD, about this and she rolled
>>> her eyes and said, "Peanut allergies are *so* 1990's, Dad" (then she
>>> laughed)
>>>
>>> Last night we had a children's program at church, so I made peanut
>>> butter cookies.
>>>
>>> Afterwards I got to thinking about it. I told my theory to DD and she
>>> thinks I might be onto something: The peanut allergy craze
>>> disappeared in fall of 2001. When terrorists destroyed the World
>>> Trade Center and gave people something new to be hysterical about.
>>>
>>> DD still knows a couple of kids who really are allergic to peanuts.
>>> They carry Epi-pens with them, and they take a benedryl beforehand if
>>> they are going somewhere there might be a lot of peanuts. The school
>>> even serves peanut butter sandwiches again.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>
>> For the most part, I think they're all *nuts* <emphasis intended>. I'm
>> not denying there are those who are allergic to peanuts, but it's not
>> in epidemic proportions and never was.
>>
>> As I posted earlier this month, there is a new employee where David
>> works who purportedly has a "deadly" allergy to strawberries, even if
>> she's in the same building with them. Come on now..........!
>>
>> It's just something else for people to get excited and/or angry about.
>
> There was a local case here where some girls were going to be charged
> with attempted murder. They had a test in school and didn't feel like
> taking it. They knew their teacher had a life threatening strawberry
> allergy. They put some strawberry extract on her lip balm, thinking it
> would make her sick enough that she would have to leave school and there
> would be no test. Alas, she wound up in the hospital. Very ill!
>
> I am lucky in that my allergies are not life threatening. But for some
> people, merely breathing in the allergen can kill them. This is why
> strawberries in a building might possibly cause a problem. Perhaps
> small particles of them would get into the ventilation system and be
> transported from one spot to another? Just perhaps. I have heard cases
> where severely allergic people can not go into certain sections of the
> grocery store because it will make them ill.
>
>

Julie, that was a horrible and nearly deadly prank. I hope that the
parties involved received just punishment.

However, I think 99% of the responsibility should be that of the person who
is allergic to avoid places and situations that put them at risk.

I would never intentionally introduce something that would harm someone,
but requiring a multi-story building of several hundred workers to avoid
the slighest hint of strawberries is rediculous.

I honestly feel that someone who is so seriously afflicted should find
other circumstances that do not impact so many other people.

--
Wayne Boatwright

Date: Sunday, December(XII) 16th(XVI),2007(MMVII)

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"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>
> Last week I made a bunch of brownies and other goodies to take to church
> for a thing. I didn't put any nuts in the brownies because once upon a
> time I made several hundred brownies to sell at a church rummage sale and
> they didn't sell very well because they had walnuts in them, and the
> hysterical mothers were afraid of them. Nevermind that walnuts are not
> peanuts. Most of the other folks brought stuff with peanuts or peanut
> butter in them. The kids ate everything, of course. I asked my teenage
> daughter, DD, about this and she rolled her eyes and said, "Peanut
> allergies are *so* 1990's, Dad" (then she laughed)
>
> Last night we had a children's program at church, so I made peanut butter
> cookies.
>
> Afterwards I got to thinking about it. I told my theory to DD and she
> thinks I might be onto something: The peanut allergy craze disappeared in
> fall of 2001. When terrorists destroyed the World Trade Center and gave
> people something new to be hysterical about.
>
> DD still knows a couple of kids who really are allergic to peanuts. They
> carry Epi-pens with them, and they take a benedryl beforehand if they are
> going somewhere there might be a lot of peanuts. The school even serves
> peanut butter sandwiches again.
>
> What do you think?

My daughter has a peanut allergy. Hers isn't life threatening.

The problem with any nuts is cross contamination. I'm allergic to almonds.
I can eat peanut butter, but the only one I've found to be safe for me is
Adams. Other peanut butters are processed in a plant where almonds and
other nuts are processed. Daughter eats almond or cashew butter but there
is always a risk of cross contamination because I've yet to find a nut
butter other than peanut that is the only thing that company processes.

There is another girl in my daughter's grade at school. She has a life
threatening allergy. When I was working at the school, I had to make sure I
didn't eat any peanuts that day or I could send the girl to the hospital.

Daughter and I have a lot of food allergies between us. Add my mom in and
there's even more. I don't personally think peanut allergies have lessened.
But other allergies have gotten more and more diagnosed. I am not sure if
allergies are more common or if they are just better diagnosed.

I spent most of my life battling ear, nose and throat infections. Also very
sick to my stomach most of the time. Now that I'm no longer eating eggs,
dairy or almonds I do not have these problems.

On Dec 17, 7:28 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> >I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>
> > Last week I made a bunch of brownies and other goodies to take to church
> > for a thing. I didn't put any nuts in the brownies because once upon a
> > time I made several hundred brownies to sell at a church rummage sale and
> > they didn't sell very well because they had walnuts in them, and the
> > hysterical mothers were afraid of them. Nevermind that walnuts are not
> > peanuts. Most of the other folks brought stuff with peanuts or peanut
> > butter in them. The kids ate everything, of course. I asked my teenage
> > daughter, DD, about this and she rolled her eyes and said, "Peanut
> > allergies are *so* 1990's, Dad" (then she laughed)
>
> > Last night we had a children's program at church, so I made peanut butter
> > cookies.
>
> > Afterwards I got to thinking about it. I told my theory to DD and she
> > thinks I might be onto something: The peanut allergy craze disappeared in
> > fall of 2001. When terrorists destroyed the World Trade Center and gave
> > people something new to be hysterical about.
>
> > DD still knows a couple of kids who really are allergic to peanuts. They
> > carry Epi-pens with them, and they take a benedryl beforehand if they are
> > going somewhere there might be a lot of peanuts. The school even serves
> > peanut butter sandwiches again.
>
> > What do you think?
>
> My daughter has a peanut allergy. Hers isn't life threatening.
>
> The problem with any nuts is cross contamination. I'm allergic to almonds.
> I can eat peanut butter, but the only one I've found to be safe for me is
> Adams. Other peanut butters are processed in a plant where almonds and
> other nuts are processed. Daughter eats almond or cashew butter but there
> is always a risk of cross contamination because I've yet to find a nut
> butter other than peanut that is the only thing that company processes.
>
> - Show quoted text -

Julie,

Check out SunButter by Sungold. (http://www.sunbutter.com/) It's a
peanut butter alternative that is made in a dedicated peanut free
facility. It's made with sunflower seeds and is delicious! My
Wegmans carries it. I also found it at Shaw's when visiting my Mom.
I also believe that the Trader Joe's brand is made my Sungold. It
does have potential soy cross-contamination, however.

It's really frustrating that people don't understand the absolute fear
that a parent with a child with food allergies lives in. There are
certain foods that could KILL my child. Food that's fine for other
people and perhaps laying on a table could mean a trip to the
emergency room and the HOPE that I get the EPI into him in time.(it's
not always 100% folks) Does the responsibility to keep him safe fall
on me? You betcha. Can I be absolutely sure that I'm able to protect
him 100% of the time, no. That's frightening. Other parents have
described the feeling as if there were loaded guns laying everywhere
around the room. (Actually to me that's a bit less frightening, I can
SEE a gun...not so with food residue.)

Right now he's 2 and I don't have to worry about school. But, when
that time comes, he has a RIGHT to an education. That is not
something that I can just "find other circumstances that do not affect
so many other people." Thankfully right now his allergy is not
airborne. So, the peanut free table would work for us right now.
But, if being the the same room with peanuts becomes a problem for
him, the school has a responsibility to take care of it.

As far as peas and lentils go, there are some people to do cross-react
with other legumes and need to avoid them. But, they are different
proteins, so one can have an allergy to "just" peanuts. Same goes for
people with latex allergies, many of them cross react with bananas.

What would I give to not have to deal on a day by day basis with the
fact that my child could die right in front of me because someone
didn't have proper hygiene?
What would I give to not have to bring EVERY meal with us if we need
to travel? (he's not just allergic to peanuts, we're also dealing with
milk, eggs, wheat and tree nuts)
ANYTHING.
No, "special label", just a "normal" 2 year old.
ANYTHING.

Joanne

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:39:24 -0800 (PST), wrote:


>Right now he's 2 and I don't have to worry about school. But, when
>that time comes, he has a RIGHT to an education. That is not
>something that I can just "find other circumstances that do not affect
>so many other people." Thankfully right now his allergy is not
>airborne. So, the peanut free table would work for us right now.
>But, if being the the same room with peanuts becomes a problem for
>him, the school has a responsibility to take care of it.
>

it used to be that schools and other large institutions could just
ignore the mentally or physical handicapped or other people who
required something out of the mainstream. now they can't. i think
it's a positive development.

your pal,
blake

> wrote in message
...

> Julie,
>
> Check out SunButter by Sungold. (http://www.sunbutter.com/) It's a
> peanut butter alternative that is made in a dedicated peanut free
> facility. It's made with sunflower seeds and is delicious! My
> Wegmans carries it. I also found it at Shaw's when visiting my Mom.
> I also believe that the Trader Joe's brand is made my Sungold. It
> does have potential soy cross-contamination, however.

We get the SunButter sometimes. Daughter liked it for a while but then got
burned out on it.

I don't buy the stuff at Trader Joe's any more. Too much cross
contamination.
>
> It's really frustrating that people don't understand the absolute fear
> that a parent with a child with food allergies lives in. There are
> certain foods that could KILL my child. Food that's fine for other
> people and perhaps laying on a table could mean a trip to the
> emergency room and the HOPE that I get the EPI into him in time.(it's
> not always 100% folks) Does the responsibility to keep him safe fall
> on me? You betcha. Can I be absolutely sure that I'm able to protect
> him 100% of the time, no. That's frightening. Other parents have
> described the feeling as if there were loaded guns laying everywhere
> around the room. (Actually to me that's a bit less frightening, I can
> SEE a gun...not so with food residue.)

Yeah. I know I am lucky that our food allergies are not life threatening.
>
> Right now he's 2 and I don't have to worry about school. But, when
> that time comes, he has a RIGHT to an education. That is not
> something that I can just "find other circumstances that do not affect
> so many other people." Thankfully right now his allergy is not
> airborne. So, the peanut free table would work for us right now.
> But, if being the the same room with peanuts becomes a problem for
> him, the school has a responsibility to take care of it.

That makes it tough. I have to send my daughter's lunch every day. A
couple of times she forgot it and I had to drive it there, because otherwise
there would be nothing for her to eat.
>
> As far as peas and lentils go, there are some people to do cross-react
> with other legumes and need to avoid them. But, they are different
> proteins, so one can have an allergy to "just" peanuts. Same goes for
> people with latex allergies, many of them cross react with bananas.

Daughter is allergic to bananas, but AFAIK, not latex.
>
> What would I give to not have to deal on a day by day basis with the
> fact that my child could die right in front of me because someone
> didn't have proper hygiene?
> What would I give to not have to bring EVERY meal with us if we need
> to travel? (he's not just allergic to peanuts, we're also dealing with
> milk, eggs, wheat and tree nuts)
> ANYTHING.
> No, "special label", just a "normal" 2 year old.
> ANYTHING.

Agreed. We went to a local drive in tonight to get a milkshake for my
husband who is not feeling well. Daughter sighed that she could not eat
the food there. We tried to get plain burger patties and fries, but they
put the patties on buns. And I worry that the fries will be cross
contaminated. So we can no longer eat there.

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>
>
> What do you think?
>
> Bob

I think you're NUTS! Or maybe peanuts.

BOB

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:23:15 -0500, " BOB" > wrote:

>
>"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>>I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>>
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Bob
>
>I think you're NUTS! Or maybe peanuts.
>
>BOB
>

clearly, he's eating too many trans-fats.

your pal,
blake

On Dec 17, 11:50�am, zxcvbob > wrote:
> I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>
> Last week I made a bunch of brownies and other goodies to take to church
> for a thing. �I didn't put any nuts in the brownies because once upon a
> time I made several hundred brownies to sell at a church rummage sale
> and they didn't sell very well because they had walnuts in them, and the
> hysterical mothers were afraid of them. �Nevermind that walnuts are not
> peanuts. �Most of the other folks brought stuff with peanuts or peanut
> butter in them. �The kids ate everything, of course. �I asked my teenage
> daughter, DD, about this and she rolled her eyes and said, "Peanut
> allergies are *so* 1990's, Dad" �(then she laughed)
>
> Last night we had a children's program at church, so I made peanut
> butter cookies.
>
> Afterwards I got to thinking about it. �I told my theory to DD and she
> thinks I might be onto something: �The peanut allergy craze disappeared
> in fall of 2001. �When terrorists destroyed the World Trade Center and
> gave people something new to be hysterical about.
>
> DD still knows a couple of kids who really are allergic to peanuts.
> They carry Epi-pens with them, and they take a benedryl beforehand if
> they are going somewhere there might be a lot of peanuts. �The school
> even serves peanut butter sandwiches again.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Bob

I think a lot of parents like to put labels on their kids so people
think they're "special." "My child is allergic to peanuts." "My
child is is dyslexic." "My child is autistic."

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>,
" > wrote:

> I think a lot of parents like to put labels on their kids so people
> think they're "special." "My child is allergic to peanuts." "My
> child is is dyslexic." "My child is autistic."

You don't know anyone autistic, do you?

Miche

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:01:36 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>I think a lot of parents like to put labels on their kids so people
>think they're "special." "My child is allergic to peanuts." "My
>child is is dyslexic." "My child is autistic."

It's all me and if it's not all about me - it's all about my kid(s).

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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:01:36 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>>I think a lot of parents like to put labels on their kids so people
>>think they're "special." "My child is allergic to peanuts." "My
>>child is is dyslexic." "My child is autistic."
>
> It's all me and if it's not all about me - it's all about my kid(s).
>

Don't forget the grand-kids!
Dee Dee

wrote:
> On Dec 17, 11:50�am, zxcvbob > wrote:

>
> I think a lot of parents like to put labels on their kids so people
> think they're "special." "My child is allergic to peanuts." "My
> child is is dyslexic." "My child is autistic."



If you've ever known anyone with a special needs child, you'd know they
would do anything to be able to say "My child is NORMAL."

gloria p

In article
>,
Puester > wrote:

> wrote:
> > On Dec 17, 11:50?am, zxcvbob > wrote:
>
> >
> > I think a lot of parents like to put labels on their kids so people
> > think they're "special." "My child is allergic to peanuts." "My
> > child is is dyslexic." "My child is autistic."
>
>
>
> If you've ever known anyone with a special needs child, you'd know they
> would do anything to be able to say "My child is NORMAL."

Exactly. I have two friends with children who are autistic, and it was
a long, hard battle each time to actually get a diagnosis.

Miche

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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:16:38 +1300, Miche >
wrote:

>In article
>,
> Puester > wrote:
>>
>> If you've ever known anyone with a special needs child, you'd know they
>> would do anything to be able to say "My child is NORMAL."
>
>Exactly. I have two friends with children who are autistic, and it was
>a long, hard battle each time to actually get a diagnosis.
>
Unfortunately, they have to fit certain criteria to be labeled
autistic. Some kids are obviously "autistic" to me, but they are so
high up the spectrum with their ability maintain eye contact and
interact socially that they won't qualify.

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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:16:38 +1300, Miche >
wrote:

>In article
>,
> Puester > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>> > On Dec 17, 11:50?am, zxcvbob > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I think a lot of parents like to put labels on their kids so people
>> > think they're "special." "My child is allergic to peanuts." "My
>> > child is is dyslexic." "My child is autistic."
>>
>>
>>
>> If you've ever known anyone with a special needs child, you'd know they
>> would do anything to be able to say "My child is NORMAL."
>
>Exactly. I have two friends with children who are autistic, and it was
>a long, hard battle each time to actually get a diagnosis.
>
>Miche

i don't know about new zealand, but even in america, where schools are
supposedly required to deal with these things, sometimes it's no
picnic getting them on board.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:36:58 GMT, blake murphy >
wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:16:38 +1300, Miche >
>wrote:
>
>>In article
>,
>> Puester > wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Dec 17, 11:50?am, zxcvbob > wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > I think a lot of parents like to put labels on their kids so people
>>> > think they're "special." "My child is allergic to peanuts." "My
>>> > child is is dyslexic." "My child is autistic."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you've ever known anyone with a special needs child, you'd know they
>>> would do anything to be able to say "My child is NORMAL."
>>
>>Exactly. I have two friends with children who are autistic, and it was
>>a long, hard battle each time to actually get a diagnosis.
>>
>>Miche
>
>i don't know about new zealand, but even in america, where schools are
>supposedly required to deal with these things, sometimes it's no
>picnic getting them on board.
>
*Schools* don't diagnose, Blake.

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In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:16:38 +1300, Miche >
> wrote:
>
> >In article
> >,
> > Puester > wrote:
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Dec 17, 11:50?am, zxcvbob > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I think a lot of parents like to put labels on their kids so people
> >> > think they're "special." "My child is allergic to peanuts." "My
> >> > child is is dyslexic." "My child is autistic."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If you've ever known anyone with a special needs child, you'd know they
> >> would do anything to be able to say "My child is NORMAL."
> >
> >Exactly. I have two friends with children who are autistic, and it was
> >a long, hard battle each time to actually get a diagnosis.
>
> i don't know about new zealand, but even in america, where schools are
> supposedly required to deal with these things, sometimes it's no
> picnic getting them on board.

One of the friends I referenced lives in the USA.

Miche

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:01:36 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Dec 17, 11:50?am, zxcvbob > wrote:
>> I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>>
>> Last week I made a bunch of brownies and other goodies to take to church
>> for a thing. ?I didn't put any nuts in the brownies because once upon a
>> time I made several hundred brownies to sell at a church rummage sale
>> and they didn't sell very well because they had walnuts in them, and the
>> hysterical mothers were afraid of them. ?Nevermind that walnuts are not
>> peanuts. ?Most of the other folks brought stuff with peanuts or peanut
>> butter in them. ?The kids ate everything, of course. ?I asked my teenage
>> daughter, DD, about this and she rolled her eyes and said, "Peanut
>> allergies are *so* 1990's, Dad" ?(then she laughed)
>>
>> Last night we had a children's program at church, so I made peanut
>> butter cookies.
>>
>> Afterwards I got to thinking about it. ?I told my theory to DD and she
>> thinks I might be onto something: ?The peanut allergy craze disappeared
>> in fall of 2001. ?When terrorists destroyed the World Trade Center and
>> gave people something new to be hysterical about.
>>
>> DD still knows a couple of kids who really are allergic to peanuts.
>> They carry Epi-pens with them, and they take a benedryl beforehand if
>> they are going somewhere there might be a lot of peanuts. ?The school
>> even serves peanut butter sandwiches again.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Bob
>
>I think a lot of parents like to put labels on their kids so people
>think they're "special." "My child is allergic to peanuts." "My
>child is is dyslexic." "My child is autistic."

yeah, they're all doing it just to **** you off. at home, with the
shades drawn, the kids are eating bushels of peanuts while
simultaneously doing latin translations and updating 'how to win
friends and influence people,' and the parents are laughing up their
sleeves.

your pal,
blake

Oh pshaw, on Tue 18 Dec 2007 01:34:04p, blake murphy meant to say...

> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:01:36 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>>On Dec 17, 11:50?am, zxcvbob > wrote:
>>> I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>>>
>>> Last week I made a bunch of brownies and other goodies to take to
church
>>> for a thing. ?I didn't put any nuts in the brownies because once upon a
>>> time I made several hundred brownies to sell at a church rummage sale
>>> and they didn't sell very well because they had walnuts in them, and
the
>>> hysterical mothers were afraid of them. ?Nevermind that walnuts are not
>>> peanuts. ?Most of the other folks brought stuff with peanuts or peanut
>>> butter in them. ?The kids ate everything, of course. ?I asked my
teenage
>>> daughter, DD, about this and she rolled her eyes and said, "Peanut
>>> allergies are *so* 1990's, Dad" ?(then she laughed)
>>>
>>> Last night we had a children's program at church, so I made peanut
>>> butter cookies.
>>>
>>> Afterwards I got to thinking about it. ?I told my theory to DD and she
>>> thinks I might be onto something: ?The peanut allergy craze disappeared
>>> in fall of 2001. ?When terrorists destroyed the World Trade Center and
>>> gave people something new to be hysterical about.
>>>
>>> DD still knows a couple of kids who really are allergic to peanuts.
>>> They carry Epi-pens with them, and they take a benedryl beforehand if
>>> they are going somewhere there might be a lot of peanuts. ?The school
>>> even serves peanut butter sandwiches again.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>>I think a lot of parents like to put labels on their kids so people
>>think they're "special." "My child is allergic to peanuts." "My child
is
>>is dyslexic." "My child is autistic."
>
> yeah, they're all doing it just to **** you off. at home, with the
> shades drawn, the kids are eating bushels of peanuts while
> simultaneously doing latin translations and updating 'how to win
> friends and influence people,' and the parents are laughing up their
> sleeves.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

I just knew there was some kind of conspiracy behind all this! :-)

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:50:17 -0600, zxcvbob >
wrote:

>I remember not too long ago, everybody was skeered of peanuts.
>
>Last week I made a bunch of brownies and other goodies to take to church
>for a thing. I didn't put any nuts in the brownies because once upon a
>time I made several hundred brownies to sell at a church rummage sale
>and they didn't sell very well because they had walnuts in them, and the
>hysterical mothers were afraid of them. Nevermind that walnuts are not
>peanuts. Most of the other folks brought stuff with peanuts or peanut
>butter in them. The kids ate everything, of course. I asked my teenage
>daughter, DD, about this and she rolled her eyes and said, "Peanut
>allergies are *so* 1990's, Dad" (then she laughed)
>
>Last night we had a children's program at church, so I made peanut
>butter cookies.
>
>Afterwards I got to thinking about it. I told my theory to DD and she
>thinks I might be onto something: The peanut allergy craze disappeared
>in fall of 2001. When terrorists destroyed the World Trade Center and
>gave people something new to be hysterical about.
>
>DD still knows a couple of kids who really are allergic to peanuts.
>They carry Epi-pens with them, and they take a benedryl beforehand if
>they are going somewhere there might be a lot of peanuts. The school
>even serves peanut butter sandwiches again.
>
>What do you think?
>
>Bob

i think your theory is rubbish.

your pal,
blake