In article >,
"Dee.Dee" > wrote:

> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> ...
> > BTW, I loved NZ.
> >
> > --
> > Janet Wilder
> > Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> > Good Friends. Good Life
>
>
> I'll bet it was a wonderful and beautiful trip.

Speaking as a New Zealander, I'm glad Janet loved NZ and hope she'll
come back (and that you come too, Dee Dee!).

Miche

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"Miche" > wrote

> "Dee.Dee" > wrote:
>
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote

>> > BTW, I loved NZ.

>> I'll bet it was a wonderful and beautiful trip.
>
> Speaking as a New Zealander, I'm glad Janet loved NZ and hope she'll
> come back (and that you come too, Dee Dee!).

This has been a very long week for me. Bear with me when I
ask ... wasn't NZ rocked by an earthquake a couple days ago
or did I dream that?

nancy

"Miche" > wrote in message
...
> Speaking as a New Zealander, I'm glad Janet loved NZ and hope she'll
> come back (and that you come too, Dee Dee!).
>
> Miche


If there's a next lifetime -- I'll be there!
Thanks for the invite.
Dee Dee

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:04:52 -0500, Julia Altshuler
> wrote:

>Now I
>have to wonder what I think of plain, unsalted butter, without natural
>flavoring. I'd like to see for myself if it does give the butter "a
>distinctive, pleasing taste."

You mean that it tastes like "butter"?

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Janet Wilder wrote:
> Miche wrote:
> > �Janet Wilder wrote:
> >> Miche wrote:
>
> >>> "Gluten free" when butter shouldn't contain gluten anyway? �Clever
> >>> marketing, if very very cynical.
> >> When we were in New Zealand, we visited a farmers market one Saturday. I
> >> took a picture of a stand selling bacon and ham that boasted a huge sign
> >> saying: "non-gluten". �When we show the pix it gets laughs.
>
> > That'll be the Otago Farmer's Market. �I've seen the sign.
>
> > It's not that big a laughing matter -- some cheap bacon and ham here
> > (stuff I wouldn't buy, I'm not that desperate for protein) is
> > "stretched" by having gluten added to it.
>
>
> I am curious as to how they could get gluten into ham and bacon.

The same way peanuts can get into foods with which you'd not associate
peanuts... many food processing plants prepare an array of foods under
the same roof using the same equipment... could very conceivably be
wheat flour products being prepared in close proximity to cured meats
and with the same machinery. Food companys are required to make known
on the label whether a product may contain a typical allergen, like
gluten and nuts.

Miche wrote:
> In article >,
> �Janet Wilder > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Miche wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > �Janet Wilder > wrote:
>
> > >> Miche wrote:
>
> > >>> "Gluten free" when butter shouldn't contain gluten anyway? �Clever
> > >>> marketing, if very very cynical.
> > >> When we were in New Zealand, we visited a farmers market one Saturday.. I
> > >> took a picture of a stand selling bacon and ham that boasted a huge sign
> > >> saying: "non-gluten". �When we show the pix it gets laughs.
>
> > > That'll be the Otago Farmer's Market. �I've seen the sign.
>
> > > It's not that big a laughing matter -- some cheap bacon and ham here
> > > (stuff I wouldn't buy, I'm not that desperate for protein) is
> > > "stretched" by having gluten added to it.
>
> > I believe it was in Christchurch by the Dean's Bush.
>
> Ah right.
>
> >They had some
> > gorgeous produce and stunning artisan breads. We were on a cruise ship
> > so I couldn't bring any foodstuffs back with me. I would have loved a
> > loaf of that bread.
>
> Dang.
>
> Next time, buy the bread, some cheeses and meats and etc, and go for a
> picnic by the River Avon. �I grew up in Christchurch and love it. �Such
> a beautiful city.
>
> > I am curious as to how they could get gluten into ham and bacon.
>
> Mix it into a slurry and inject it with the brine. �It's a nasty cheat
> and I wouldn't eat such a product even if I could.

You're being ridiculous. Why would any company desirous of staying in
business and prospering even think to do such a dastardly deed... just
because that's how your evil mind works doesn't mean others are so
nefariously afflicted.

In article >,
"Dee.Dee" > wrote:

> "Miche" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Speaking as a New Zealander, I'm glad Janet loved NZ and hope she'll
> > come back (and that you come too, Dee Dee!).
>
> If there's a next lifetime -- I'll be there!

Then I hope there is.

> Thanks for the invite.

You are most welcome.

Miche

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In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> "Miche" > wrote
>
> > "Dee.Dee" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Janet Wilder" > wrote
>
> >> > BTW, I loved NZ.
>
> >> I'll bet it was a wonderful and beautiful trip.
> >
> > Speaking as a New Zealander, I'm glad Janet loved NZ and hope she'll
> > come back (and that you come too, Dee Dee!).
>
> This has been a very long week for me. Bear with me when I
> ask ... wasn't NZ rocked by an earthquake a couple days ago
> or did I dream that?

You didn't dream it. 6.8 earthquake just off the coast of Gisborne, a
small city about as far east as you can get, on North Island.

One fatality (a little old lady who had a heart attack from the fright),
a few injuries, some buildings down in the CBD.

Miche

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Dee.Dee wrote:

> It is ill-advised that I not fly, so I'm glad I did get to travel when I was
> young-and-hearty.
>
> I am always happy to see people traveling, knowing how they enjoy it.
>
> Again, glad you had a good trip and hoping you can do a shorter one soon.

Thank you, Dee Dee, for the kind thoughts. We are contemplating Europe
for the Spring or Fall. We are approaching the time when our travel
becomes limited and want to get as much under our belts as possible.

We are looking through some brochures the travel agent gave us for river
tours. I hate the on the bus - off the bus part of land tours as well as
living out of a suitcase.


--
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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Miche wrote:

> Next time, buy the bread, some cheeses and meats and etc, and go for a
> picnic by the River Avon. I grew up in Christchurch and love it. Such
> a beautiful city.

A delightful city! I also enjoyed the Antarctic Experience and the
doings at Cathedral Square were fun to watch. Lots of stuff to buy, but
very expensive for trinkets.
>
>> I am curious as to how they could get gluten into ham and bacon.
>
> Mix it into a slurry and inject it with the brine. It's a nasty cheat
> and I wouldn't eat such a product even if I could.

Yuck! :-(
>
> We'll be glad to see you if you ever come back.

If you ever make it to Texas, we are at the very south-eastern tip. Lots
of bird watchers come here from all over the world.


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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
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Miche wrote:
> In article >,
> "Dee.Dee" > wrote:
>
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> BTW, I loved NZ.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Janet Wilder
>>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>>> Good Friends. Good Life
>>
>> I'll bet it was a wonderful and beautiful trip.
>
> Speaking as a New Zealander, I'm glad Janet loved NZ and hope she'll
> come back (and that you come too, Dee Dee!).
>
> Miche
>

I'd be proud if NZ were my home, too. Lovely scenery and very friendly
people.

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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

"Miche" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>> This has been a very long week for me. Bear with me when I
>> ask ... wasn't NZ rocked by an earthquake a couple days ago
>> or did I dream that?
>
> You didn't dream it. 6.8 earthquake just off the coast of Gisborne, a
> small city about as far east as you can get, on North Island.
>
> One fatality (a little old lady who had a heart attack from the fright),
> a few injuries, some buildings down in the CBD.

Thank you. I expected to hear more about it, I'm glad there
weren't more fatalities.

nancy

Miche wrote:
> In article >,
> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>> "Miche" > wrote
>>
>>> "Dee.Dee" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote
>>>>> BTW, I loved NZ.
>>>> I'll bet it was a wonderful and beautiful trip.
>>> Speaking as a New Zealander, I'm glad Janet loved NZ and hope she'll
>>> come back (and that you come too, Dee Dee!).
>> This has been a very long week for me. Bear with me when I
>> ask ... wasn't NZ rocked by an earthquake a couple days ago
>> or did I dream that?
>
> You didn't dream it. 6.8 earthquake just off the coast of Gisborne, a
> small city about as far east as you can get, on North Island.
>
> One fatality (a little old lady who had a heart attack from the fright),
> a few injuries, some buildings down in the CBD.
>
> Miche
>

They told us that the whole island is prone to earthquakes and all the
big buildings have to be built with that in mind. Volcanoes and all
that, IIRC.

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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
...
> Dee.Dee wrote:
>
>> It is ill-advised that I not fly, so I'm glad I did get to travel when I
>> was young-and-hearty.
>>
>> I am always happy to see people traveling, knowing how they enjoy it.
>>
>> Again, glad you had a good trip and hoping you can do a shorter one soon.
>
> Thank you, Dee Dee, for the kind thoughts. We are contemplating Europe for
> the Spring or Fall. We are approaching the time when our travel becomes
> limited and want to get as much under our belts as possible.
>
> We are looking through some brochures the travel agent gave us for river
> tours. I hate the on the bus - off the bus part of land tours as well as
> living out of a suitcase.
>
>
> --
> Janet Wilder


Years ago I had some friends that loved the barge tours; don't know anything
about them. They traveled a lot and got tired of the usual fare.
Dee Dee

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> "Miche" > wrote
>
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
> >> This has been a very long week for me. Bear with me when I
> >> ask ... wasn't NZ rocked by an earthquake a couple days ago
> >> or did I dream that?
> >
> > You didn't dream it. 6.8 earthquake just off the coast of Gisborne, a
> > small city about as far east as you can get, on North Island.
> >
> > One fatality (a little old lady who had a heart attack from the fright),
> > a few injuries, some buildings down in the CBD.
>
> Thank you. I expected to hear more about it, I'm glad there
> weren't more fatalities.

Me too. It hit the CBD just before 10pm on a late shopping night.
Things could have been so much worse.

Miche

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In article >,
Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Miche wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Miche" > wrote
> >>
> >>> "Dee.Dee" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote
> >>>>> BTW, I loved NZ.
> >>>> I'll bet it was a wonderful and beautiful trip.
> >>> Speaking as a New Zealander, I'm glad Janet loved NZ and hope she'll
> >>> come back (and that you come too, Dee Dee!).
> >> This has been a very long week for me. Bear with me when I
> >> ask ... wasn't NZ rocked by an earthquake a couple days ago
> >> or did I dream that?
> >
> > You didn't dream it. 6.8 earthquake just off the coast of Gisborne, a
> > small city about as far east as you can get, on North Island.
> >
> > One fatality (a little old lady who had a heart attack from the fright),
> > a few injuries, some buildings down in the CBD.
>
> They told us that the whole island is prone to earthquakes and all the
> big buildings have to be built with that in mind. Volcanoes and all
> that, IIRC.

The whole country is, not just that island. And it's true that building
codes include regulations for earthquake resistance.

Our national museum, Te Papa Tongarewa, is built on big rubber
earthquake stabilisers, and there are windows to allow people to look at
them.

Miche

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In article >,
Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Miche wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Dee.Dee" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> BTW, I loved NZ.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Janet Wilder
> >>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> >>> Good Friends. Good Life
> >>
> >> I'll bet it was a wonderful and beautiful trip.
> >
> > Speaking as a New Zealander, I'm glad Janet loved NZ and hope she'll
> > come back (and that you come too, Dee Dee!).
>
> I'd be proud if NZ were my home, too. Lovely scenery and very friendly
> people.

Aw gee, thanks!



Miche

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In article >,
Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Miche wrote:
>
> > Next time, buy the bread, some cheeses and meats and etc, and go for a
> > picnic by the River Avon. I grew up in Christchurch and love it. Such
> > a beautiful city.
>
> A delightful city! I also enjoyed the Antarctic Experience and the
> doings at Cathedral Square were fun to watch. Lots of stuff to buy, but
> very expensive for trinkets.

Yeah. The Square's hucksters know who their audience is, for sure.

Antarctic Experience is great fun. Did they have the "Antarctic storm"
room available when you were there? They simulate a wind/snow storm,
and it's an interesting (cold!) experience.

> >> I am curious as to how they could get gluten into ham and bacon.
> >
> > Mix it into a slurry and inject it with the brine. It's a nasty cheat
> > and I wouldn't eat such a product even if I could.
>
> Yuck! :-(

Exactly.

> > We'll be glad to see you if you ever come back.
>
> If you ever make it to Texas, we are at the very south-eastern tip. Lots
> of bird watchers come here from all over the world.

Oooooo. Birdies!

Miche

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In article
>,
Sheldon > wrote:

> Miche wrote:
> > In article >,
> > ?Janet Wilder > wrote:

> > > I am curious as to how they could get gluten into ham and bacon.
> >
> > Mix it into a slurry and inject it with the brine. ?It's a nasty cheat
> > and I wouldn't eat such a product even if I could.
>
> You're being ridiculous. Why would any company desirous of staying in
> business and prospering even think to do such a dastardly deed... just
> because that's how your evil mind works doesn't mean others are so
> nefariously afflicted.

Whatever you say, Sheldon.

Miche

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Miche wrote:

> Antarctic Experience is great fun. Did they have the "Antarctic storm"
> room available when you were there? They simulate a wind/snow storm,
> and it's an interesting (cold!) experience.

The room was there and working, however we have gone to great lengths to
remove ourselves from snow (pardon my use of a 4 letter word) and cold
(oops there's another)weather. I was not going to don a parka and boots
and deliberately subject myself to C.O.L.D. :-) I did go on that tractor
ride outside. That was a huge amount of fun, especially when the water
came up to the windows.


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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Miche wrote:

>
> Our national museum, Te Papa Tongarewa, is built on big rubber
> earthquake stabilisers, and there are windows to allow people to look at
> them.

I saw them. That's a wonderful museum! We really enjoyed our visit there
and wished we had more time to spend.

--
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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

In article >,
Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Miche wrote:
>
> >
> > Our national museum, Te Papa Tongarewa, is built on big rubber
> > earthquake stabilisers, and there are windows to allow people to look at
> > them.
>
> I saw them. That's a wonderful museum! We really enjoyed our visit there
> and wished we had more time to spend.

When I'm in Wellington I'll go and spend about quarter of an hour just
gazing at the Britten motorbike. Then go and have a look at the other
stuff.

Miche

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In article >,
Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Miche wrote:
>
> > Antarctic Experience is great fun. Did they have the "Antarctic storm"
> > room available when you were there? They simulate a wind/snow storm,
> > and it's an interesting (cold!) experience.
>
> The room was there and working, however we have gone to great lengths to
> remove ourselves from snow (pardon my use of a 4 letter word) and cold
> (oops there's another)weather. I was not going to don a parka and boots
> and deliberately subject myself to C.O.L.D. :-) I did go on that tractor
> ride outside. That was a huge amount of fun, especially when the water
> came up to the windows.

Sounds like you had a great time indeed, and I'm glad of it.

Miche

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:09:45 -0600, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>Miche wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Janet Wilder > wrote:
>>
>>> Miche wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Gluten free" when butter shouldn't contain gluten anyway? Clever
>>>> marketing, if very very cynical.
>>> When we were in New Zealand, we visited a farmers market one Saturday. I
>>> took a picture of a stand selling bacon and ham that boasted a huge sign
>>> saying: "non-gluten". When we show the pix it gets laughs.
>>
>> That'll be the Otago Farmer's Market. I've seen the sign.
>>
>> It's not that big a laughing matter -- some cheap bacon and ham here
>> (stuff I wouldn't buy, I'm not that desperate for protein) is
>> "stretched" by having gluten added to it.
>>
>> Miche
>>
>
>I believe it was in Christchurch by the Dean's Bush. They had some
>gorgeous produce and stunning artisan breads. We were on a cruise ship
>so I couldn't bring any foodstuffs back with me. I would have loved a
>loaf of that bread.
>
>I am curious as to how they could get gluten into ham and bacon.
>

i wondered about that myself.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:16:46 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote:

>
>"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
. ..
>> Dee.Dee wrote:
>>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> BTW, I loved NZ.
>>
>>> I'll bet it was a wonderful and beautiful trip.
>>
>> It was! If it wasn't for the long, long flights, we'd go back to Australia
>> and New Zealand again. Our aging bodies did not do well with the long
>> flights even though I discovered the wine was free on international
>> flights and liberally partook of it's ability to make me sleepy <g>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Janet Wilder
>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>> Good Friends. Good Life
>
>
>It is ill-advised that I not fly, so I'm glad I did get to travel when I was
>young-and-hearty.
>
>I am always happy to see people traveling, knowing how they enjoy it.
>
>Again, glad you had a good trip and hoping you can do a shorter one soon.
>Dee Dee
>

just being nosy here, but why is it inadvisable for you to fly? inner
ear problems?

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:54:31 +1300, Miche >
wrote:

>In article
>,
> Sheldon > wrote:
>
>> Miche wrote:
>> > In article >,
>> > ?Janet Wilder > wrote:
>
>> > > I am curious as to how they could get gluten into ham and bacon.
>> >
>> > Mix it into a slurry and inject it with the brine. ?It's a nasty cheat
>> > and I wouldn't eat such a product even if I could.
>>
>> You're being ridiculous. Why would any company desirous of staying in
>> business and prospering even think to do such a dastardly deed... just
>> because that's how your evil mind works doesn't mean others are so
>> nefariously afflicted.
>
>Whatever you say, Sheldon.
>
>Miche

i think sheldon has too much slurry in his bacon.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:09:45 -0600, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
> >Miche wrote:
> >> In article >,
> >> Janet Wilder > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Miche wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Gluten free" when butter shouldn't contain gluten anyway? Clever
> >>>> marketing, if very very cynical.
> >>> When we were in New Zealand, we visited a farmers market one Saturday. I
> >>> took a picture of a stand selling bacon and ham that boasted a huge sign
> >>> saying: "non-gluten". When we show the pix it gets laughs.
> >>
> >> That'll be the Otago Farmer's Market. I've seen the sign.
> >>
> >> It's not that big a laughing matter -- some cheap bacon and ham here
> >> (stuff I wouldn't buy, I'm not that desperate for protein) is
> >> "stretched" by having gluten added to it.
> >
> >I believe it was in Christchurch by the Dean's Bush. They had some
> >gorgeous produce and stunning artisan breads. We were on a cruise ship
> >so I couldn't bring any foodstuffs back with me. I would have loved a
> >loaf of that bread.
> >
> >I am curious as to how they could get gluten into ham and bacon.
> >
>
> i wondered about that myself.

It's the worst bacon and ham ("sliced pressed ham") a person can buy.
It's disgusting and I wouldn't buy it even if I could eat it.

Miche

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