Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not, that's
reason to celebrate.

OBFood: A festive grilled cheese sandwich is on the lunch menu for me.
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modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not, that's
> reason to celebrate.

One person's opinion from out here where the air conditioning season
begins in April and ends in October: Like hell it is!!


> OBFood: A festive grilled cheese sandwich is on the lunch menu for me.

And that is always in season!

"modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote in message
...
>
> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not, that's
> reason to celebrate.
>
> OBFood: A festive grilled cheese sandwich is on the lunch menu for me.
> --

I had a festive bowl of lentil soup, lots of browned onion chunks and a
little salsa cooked in, shredded cheddar on top. Mmmm.

In article >,
"modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote:

> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not, that's
> reason to celebrate.
>
> OBFood: A festive grilled cheese sandwich is on the lunch menu for me.
> --
>
> modom

Speaking of. . . . where's Jillsie? Haven't seen her around for a while.
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote:
>
>> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not, that's
>> reason to celebrate.
>>
>> OBFood: A festive grilled cheese sandwich is on the lunch menu for me.
>> --
>>
>> modom
>
> Speaking of. . . . where's Jillsie? Haven't seen her around for a while.

I believe she said something about going to her parents home to help her
mom out as her father is worsening.

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote

> Speaking of. . . . where's Jillsie? Haven't seen her around for a while.

She's taking care of her parents.

nancy

"modom (palindrome guy)" wrote:
>
> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not,
> that's reason to celebrate.

Why is it always said winter _begins_ on the solstice.
Shouldn't the solstice be exactly dead center in the
middle of winter? Shouldn't the first day of winter
be exactly halfway between the fall equinox and the
winter solstice?

Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> Why is it always said winter _begins_ on the solstice.
> Shouldn't the solstice be exactly dead center in the
> middle of winter? Shouldn't the first day of winter
> be exactly halfway between the fall equinox and the
> winter solstice?


Funny, I've always thought the same thing. Whoever made the rules
hundreds of years ago didn't consult me. What's funnier, I grew up in
Miami and went to college in New Orleans. I didn't feel the changing of
the seasons in the same way those farther from the equator do. I had no
reason to be aware of the solstices except as a blip on the calendar. I
was actually well into college before I realized that the way you said
WASN'T the way it worked.


--Lia

Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> >
> > Why is it always said winter _begins_ on the solstice.
> > Shouldn't the solstice be exactly dead center in the
> > middle of winter? Shouldn't the first day of winter
> > be exactly halfway between the fall equinox and the
> > winter solstice?
>
> Funny, I've always thought the same thing. Whoever made the rules
> hundreds of years ago didn't consult me. What's funnier, I grew up in
> Miami and went to college in New Orleans. I didn't feel the changing
> of the seasons in the same way those farther from the equator do.
> I had no reason to be aware of the solstices except as a blip
> on the calendar. I was actually well into college before
> I realized that the way you said WASN'T the way it worked.

And somebody should inform Mexico that they
are on the continent of North America.
They _are_ "norte americanos", so they should
stop using that term to refer to us.

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:13:58 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>Julia Altshuler wrote:
>>
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>> >
>> > Why is it always said winter _begins_ on the solstice.
>> > Shouldn't the solstice be exactly dead center in the
>> > middle of winter? Shouldn't the first day of winter
>> > be exactly halfway between the fall equinox and the
>> > winter solstice?
>>
>> Funny, I've always thought the same thing. Whoever made the rules
>> hundreds of years ago didn't consult me. What's funnier, I grew up in
>> Miami and went to college in New Orleans. I didn't feel the changing
>> of the seasons in the same way those farther from the equator do.
>> I had no reason to be aware of the solstices except as a blip
>> on the calendar. I was actually well into college before
>> I realized that the way you said WASN'T the way it worked.
>
>And somebody should inform Mexico that they
>are on the continent of North America.
>They _are_ "norte americanos", so they should
>stop using that term to refer to us.

Not to mention people using "irregardless" when they mean
"regardless." And don't get me started on "could care less" and
"couldn't care less."

The solstice and seasonal change thing, however, is due to what is
called seasonal lag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_lag

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cybercat wrote:

>
> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not, that's
>> reason to celebrate.
>>
>> OBFood: A festive grilled cheese sandwich is on the lunch menu for me.
>> --
>
> I had a festive bowl of lentil soup, lots of browned onion chunks and a
> little salsa cooked in, shredded cheddar on top. Mmmm.

My National Hamburger Day bisonburger was so good yesterday that I'm
having another even as I write.

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"modom (palindrome guy)" wrote:
>
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:13:58 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> wrote:
>
> >And somebody should inform Mexico that they
> >are on the continent of North America.
> >They _are_ "norte americanos", so they should
> >stop using that term to refer to us.
>
> Not to mention people using "irregardless" when they mean
> "regardless." And don't get me started on "could care less"
> and "couldn't care less."

And don't get me started on World War 2,
or as I call it, World War 1B.

Mark Thorson wrote:

>
> And somebody should inform Mexico that they
> are on the continent of North America.
> They _are_ "norte americanos", so they should
> stop using that term to refer to us.

Do you prefer "Gringo" or "Anglo" :-)
--
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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
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In article >,
Goomba38 > wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote:
> >
> >> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not, that's
> >> reason to celebrate.
> >>
> >> OBFood: A festive grilled cheese sandwich is on the lunch menu for me.
> >> --
> >>
> >> modom
> >
> > Speaking of. . . . where's Jillsie? Haven't seen her around for a while.
>
> I believe she said something about going to her parents home to help her
> mom out as her father is worsening.

Ah, thanks. :-( I skip a lot of posts and missed that one.
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http://www.jamlady.eboard.com; 10-16-2007

"Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
news
> cybercat wrote:
>
>>
>> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not, that's
>>> reason to celebrate.
>>>
>>> OBFood: A festive grilled cheese sandwich is on the lunch menu for me.
>>> --
>>
>> I had a festive bowl of lentil soup, lots of browned onion chunks and a
>> little salsa cooked in, shredded cheddar on top. Mmmm.
>
> My National Hamburger Day bisonburger was so good yesterday that I'm
> having another even as I write.
>
I need to try Bison.

On Dec 22, 6:18 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in messagenewsan.2007.12.22.21.31.44.272985@thursto n.blinkynet.net...
>
> > cybercat wrote:
>
> >> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
> >>> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not, that's
> >>> reason to celebrate.
>
> >>> OBFood: A festive grilled cheese sandwich is on the lunch menu for me.
> >>> --
>
> >> I had a festive bowl of lentil soup, lots of browned onion chunks and a
> >> little salsa cooked in, shredded cheddar on top. Mmmm.
>
> > My National Hamburger Day bisonburger was so good yesterday that I'm
> > having another even as I write.
>
> I need to try Bison.

I don't notice that it's any different from grass fed super lean
ground beef. They seem to always grind it very low fat.

--Bryan

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:36:41 -0800 (PST), "Bobo Bonobo®"
> wrote:

>I don't notice that it's any different from grass fed super lean
>ground beef. They seem to always grind it very low fat.

I think it's bland too. Not worth a second try for me.

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cybercat wrote:

>
> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
> news
>> cybercat wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not, that's
>>>> reason to celebrate.
>>>>
>>>> OBFood: A festive grilled cheese sandwich is on the lunch menu for me.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> I had a festive bowl of lentil soup, lots of browned onion chunks and a
>>> little salsa cooked in, shredded cheddar on top. Mmmm.
>>
>> My National Hamburger Day bisonburger was so good yesterday that I'm
>> having another even as I write.
>>
> I need to try Bison.

I don't know if you know where to find it, but that company's site has a
list of where theirs are sold. Dunno if that's any help. Don't even know
if you're in the US.

http://www.greatrangebison.com/retailers.html

Interesting stuff on some of their other pages.

Their ground bison is pretty lean -- 90% so. But from the Product List,
you can see they have lots of stuff.

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sf wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:36:41 -0800 (PST), "Bobo Bonobo®"
> > wrote:
>
>>I don't notice that it's any different from grass fed super lean
>>ground beef. They seem to always grind it very low fat.
>
> I think it's bland too. Not worth a second try for me.

I've only had it ground, but I find it a little more flavorful than round
beef. And as Bobo said, it's nice and lean.

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:02:40 -0800, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>cybercat wrote:
>
>>
>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> cybercat wrote:
>>>
>>> My National Hamburger Day bisonburger was so good yesterday that I'm
>>> having another even as I write.
>>>
>> I need to try Bison.
>
>I don't know if you know where to find it, but that company's site has a
>list of where theirs are sold. Dunno if that's any help. Don't even know
>if you're in the US.
>
>http://www.greatrangebison.com/retailers.html
>
>Interesting stuff on some of their other pages.
>
>Their ground bison is pretty lean -- 90% so. But from the Product List,
>you can see they have lots of stuff.

Here in Cow Hill, I sometimes get bison steaks at Wal-Mart. It pains
me to engage with the evil empire, but they have it and the local
grocery doesn't. If I time it right, I can pick it up at a reduced
price when it reaches the sell-by date. I like them either grilled or
pan seared with strong flavors like ancho chiles or chipotles.

Bison is also featured on the menus of several noted area restaurants.
Lonesome Dove, for example:
http://www.lonesomedovebistro.com/default-old.asp

Tim Love (chef at Lonesome Dove) appeared on Iron Chef America last
year and bested Bobby Flay. I've eaten at his place once, and would
gladly do so again. The venison was so good that D wanted to buy me a
gun and drive me to the woods with instructions not to return without
Bambi's whole family, slaughtered, dressed, butchered, and ready for
the grill.

Dean Fearing's new place at the Dallas Ritz Carlton lists bison on the
menu, as well. I've never eaten his grub before, but his reputation
aroun these parts is huge. Here's a link to the menu:
http://www.ritzcarlton.com/en/Proper...rings/Menu.htm
Somewhere in there he offers a "buffalo" cheese steak sandwich.

It just crazy enough it might work.
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modom (palindrome guy) wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:02:40 -0800, Blinky the Shark
> > wrote:
>
>>cybercat wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> cybercat wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My National Hamburger Day bisonburger was so good yesterday that I'm
>>>> having another even as I write.
>>>>
>>> I need to try Bison.
>>
>>I don't know if you know where to find it, but that company's site has a
>>list of where theirs are sold. Dunno if that's any help. Don't even
>>know if you're in the US.
>>
>>http://www.greatrangebison.com/retailers.html
>>
>>Interesting stuff on some of their other pages.
>>
>>Their ground bison is pretty lean -- 90% so. But from the Product List,
>>you can see they have lots of stuff.
>
> Here in Cow Hill, I sometimes get bison steaks at Wal-Mart. It pains

I wouldn't have thought to look there. I don't have a convenient WM, but
next time I'm near one for other purposes I'll try to remember to check
'em out.

> me to engage with the evil empire, but they have it and the local
> grocery doesn't. If I time it right, I can pick it up at a reduced
> price when it reaches the sell-by date. I like them either grilled or
> pan seared with strong flavors like ancho chiles or chipotles.

Sounds good to this ol' shark.

> Bison is also featured on the menus of several noted area restaurants.
> Lonesome Dove, for example:
> http://www.lonesomedovebistro.com/default-old.asp

Buffalo Burger with fries $10.50

Buffalo Ribeye 14 oz minimum $2.70/oz

Mmmmmmmm.

> Tim Love (chef at Lonesome Dove) appeared on Iron Chef America last year
> and bested Bobby Flay. I've eaten at his place once, and would gladly
> do so again. The venison was so good that D wanted to buy me a gun and
> drive me to the woods with instructions not to return without Bambi's
> whole family, slaughtered, dressed, butchered, and ready for the grill.
>
> Dean Fearing's new place at the Dallas Ritz Carlton lists bison on the
> menu, as well. I've never eaten his grub before, but his reputation
> aroun these parts is huge. Here's a link to the menu:
> http://www.ritzcarlton.com/en/Proper...rings/Menu.htm
> Somewhere in there he offers a "buffalo" cheese steak sandwich.

Comanche Buffalo Cheese Steak Sandwich with Sweet Potato Fries

....and also...

Maple-Black Peppercorn Soaked Buffalo Tenderloin on Anson Mills Jalapeño
Grits and Crispy Butternut Squash Taquito

> It just crazy enough it might work.

Yesterday I read an "We Go To Philly For The Real Thing - The Philly
Cheese Steak Sandwich" magasine article in either Maxim or Esquire.
The author went to the two joints that he said were considered The Real
Thing, facing each other a cross a street, and both claiming to have
invented the dish. He said they both pretty much sucked. He went to
some other joints and finally found one with one he liked. Apparently
well enough that despite his whole day spent eating them he not only had
one there but got one to go for the road. Urp!


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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:03:41 -0800, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>I've only had it ground, but I find it a little more flavorful than round
>beef. And as Bobo said, it's nice and lean.

I've only had it ground as a burger too, it's lean... but it's not
"nice". BLAH.

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Blinky the Shark > wrote:

> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>
> > Bison is also featured on the menus of several noted area restaurants.
> > Lonesome Dove, for example:
> > http://www.lonesomedovebistro.com/default-old.asp
>
> Buffalo Burger with fries $10.50

I had it there twice, two years apart - it was great both times, I do
not remember the price.

Okay, it was not the only thing I had there... it is... or was... a
great place all around.

Victor

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:04:56 +0100, (Victor Sack)
wrote:

>Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>
>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>>
>> > Bison is also featured on the menus of several noted area restaurants.
>> > Lonesome Dove, for example:
>> > http://www.lonesomedovebistro.com/default-old.asp
>>
>> Buffalo Burger with fries $10.50
>
>I had it there twice, two years apart - it was great both times, I do
>not remember the price.
>
>Okay, it was not the only thing I had there... it is... or was... a
>great place all around.
>
We're contemplating lunch there on the 26th. It's my daughter's
birthday, and we want to do something special for her. One option is
lunch at Lonesome Dove and then a visit to the Modern Art Museum.
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:51:17 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>"modom (palindrome guy)" wrote:
>>
>> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not,
>> that's reason to celebrate.
>
>Why is it always said winter _begins_ on the solstice.
>Shouldn't the solstice be exactly dead center in the
>middle of winter? Shouldn't the first day of winter
>be exactly halfway between the fall equinox and the
>winter solstice?

when i saw 'first day of winter' on my calendar, i was dismayed also.
'christ, it's been cold enough already. you mean it's just starting?'

maybe it should be 'the beginning of the end' or at least 'the end of
the beginning.'

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:40:36 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>"modom (palindrome guy)" wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:13:58 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >And somebody should inform Mexico that they
>> >are on the continent of North America.
>> >They _are_ "norte americanos", so they should
>> >stop using that term to refer to us.
>>
>> Not to mention people using "irregardless" when they mean
>> "regardless." And don't get me started on "could care less"
>> and "couldn't care less."
>
>And don't get me started on World War 2,
>or as I call it, World War 1B.

or as ed sullivan once read it off a cue card, 'doubleyou doubleyou
eye eye.'

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
> when i saw 'first day of winter' on my calendar, i was dismayed also.
> 'christ, it's been cold enough already. you mean it's just starting?'
>

January is usually the coldest month in the northern hemisphere.
http://www.cityrating.com/citytemper...?City=New+York
http://www.cityrating.com/citytemper...?City=Hartford
see how you compare
http://www.cityrating.com/averagetemperature.asp

modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:

> We're contemplating lunch there on the 26th. It's my daughter's
> birthday, and we want to do something special for her. One option is
> lunch at Lonesome Dove and then a visit to the Modern Art Museum.

If you do it, post a report, please. And say an extra "happy birthday"
to Claire.

Victor

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
et...
>
> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
>> when i saw 'first day of winter' on my calendar, i was dismayed also.
>> 'christ, it's been cold enough already. you mean it's just starting?'
>>
>
> January is usually the coldest month in the northern hemisphere.
> http://www.cityrating.com/citytemper...?City=New+York
> http://www.cityrating.com/citytemper...?City=Hartford
> see how you compare
> http://www.cityrating.com/averagetemperature.asp
>
It hasn't been cold here at all. I can't wait!

blake murphy wrote:
>
> or as ed sullivan once read it off a cue card,
> 'doubleyou doubleyou eye eye.'

Rich Little used to tell a joke Ed Sullivan's dependence
on cue cards. He saw Ed on the street and said "Hi, Ed,
how are doing?", and all Ed could say was "Don't Walk".

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:53:07 +0100, (Victor Sack)
wrote:

>modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:
>
>> We're contemplating lunch there on the 26th. It's my daughter's
>> birthday, and we want to do something special for her. One option is
>> lunch at Lonesome Dove and then a visit to the Modern Art Museum.
>
>If you do it, post a report, please. And say an extra "happy birthday"
>to Claire.
>
Will do, Victor.

However, the plan now is lunch in Dallas at Salum and a museum run to
Fort Worth for dessert. Lonesome dove will have to be another day.
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote:
>
>> Winter begins and the days start growing longer. Pagan or not,
>> that's reason to celebrate.
>>
>> OBFood: A festive grilled cheese sandwich is on the lunch menu for
>> me. --
>>
>> modom
>
> Speaking of. . . . where's Jillsie? Haven't seen her around for a
> while.

Away to look after her sick Dad I think

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:13:17 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote in message
>> when i saw 'first day of winter' on my calendar, i was dismayed also.
>> 'christ, it's been cold enough already. you mean it's just starting?'
>>
>
>January is usually the coldest month in the northern hemisphere.
>http://www.cityrating.com/citytemper...?City=New+York
>http://www.cityrating.com/citytemper...?City=Hartford
>see how you compare
>http://www.cityrating.com/averagetemperature.asp
>

i'd sleep until march or april if i could. those bears are on to
something.

your pal,
blake

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

>
> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> > when i saw 'first day of winter' on my calendar, i was dismayed
> > also. 'christ, it's been cold enough already. you mean it's just
> > starting?'
> >
>
> January is usually the coldest month in the northern hemisphere.

I don't know who came with that silly "first day of XX" for the
solstices and equinoxes, but there's absolutely no astronomical or
meterological basis for it.




Brian

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"Default User" > wrote in message
>
> I don't know who came with that silly "first day of XX" for the
> solstices and equinoxes, but there's absolutely no astronomical or
> meterological basis for it.

It's just easier to make a known event the start of something rather than
the middle of it. Not much different than having 12 numbers on a clock
face.

"blake murphy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:13:17 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
> wrote:
> i'd sleep until march or april if i could. those bears are on to
> something.
>
> your pal,
> blake

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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

>
> "Default User" > wrote in message
> >
> > I don't know who came with that silly "first day of XX" for the
> > solstices and equinoxes, but there's absolutely no astronomical or
> > meterological basis for it.
>
> It's just easier to make a known event the start of something rather
> than the middle of it.

Not really, December first would be a reasonable choice.

> Not much different than having 12 numbers on
> a clock face.

This doesn't make any sense. Twelve was chosen because it's divisible
by 2, 3, 4, and 6.



Brian

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"Default User" > wrote in message
>> It's just easier to make a known event the start of something rather
>> than the middle of it.
>
> Not really, December first would be a reasonable choice.


When the solstice was noticed to be the start of a season, December did not
exist as we know it today. The ancients were very attuned to the sky and
not the Playboy calendar hanging on the cave wall. If you happen to be in
Machu Picchu during the solsitice you can see the light come in through a
cave opening to light a shrine only for the brief time it is in alignment.
They designed buildings around the sunrise azmuth of 65 degrees, the
solstice at 112 degrees and the setting sun at 245 degrees. To those
people, December 1 would not be a reasonable choice.

Similar shrines exist around the word made independent of each others.

The Zuni year begins on the Solstice. The Peqinne (chief of the zenith)
observes the movements of hte sun and makes offerings accordingly. In
Taiwan offerings are made at ansectral shrines. In Japan it is knows a
Toji. It is sacred to farmers and them light fires on Mt. Fuji.

The first day of winter may be trivial to you, but it has origins in many
societies going back thousands of years. There is good reason to maintain
the date for what it is.



>
>> Not much different than having 12 numbers on
>> a clock face.
>
> This doesn't make any sense. Twelve was chosen because it's divisible
> by 2, 3, 4, and 6.

They could have chosen 24 or 48 for the same reason. The point is, the
numbers or the clock face are consistent and act as reference points. Truth
is, until recently, it was not all the important to have accuracy to the
second, minute, or even the hour. The town clock was used as a reference
for all that could see it as few people had a clock at home. Towns a few
miles apart would often differ considerably. Railroads and the need for a
schedule (and to eliminate accidents) brought the standard time we know
today.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

>
> "Default User" > wrote in message
> > > It's just easier to make a known event the start of something
> > > rather than the middle of it.
> >
> > Not really, December first would be a reasonable choice.
>
>
> When the solstice was noticed to be the start of a season, December
> did not exist as we know it today.

So? We're talking about today.

> The ancients were very attuned to
> the sky and not the Playboy calendar hanging on the cave wall.

But they didn't run around telling everyone that the solstice was the
START of winter.

> The first day of winter may be trivial to you, but it has origins in
> many societies going back thousands of years. There is good reason
> to maintain the date for what it is.

You've presented no evidence that the ancients considered that the
start of winter. Only one (snipped) that had it start of the year.

You're floundering.


Brian

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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> The ancients were very attuned to the sky and
> not the Playboy calendar hanging on the cave wall. If you happen to be in
> Machu Picchu during the solsitice you can see the light come in through a
> cave opening to light a shrine only for the brief time it is in alignment.
> They designed buildings around the sunrise azmuth of 65 degrees, the
> solstice at 112 degrees and the setting sun at 245 degrees. To those
> people, December 1 would not be a reasonable choice.
>
> Similar shrines exist around the word made independent of each others.


Wouldn't all those ancient shrines and buildings be off now due to the
precession of the equinoxes?


--Lia