Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I never
mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is septic tank.

The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.

Dee Dee

On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:09:52a, Dee.Dee told us...

> Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I
> never mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is
> septic tank.
>
> The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
> acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>
> Dee Dee
>
>
>
>

Thanks, Dee. Good to know, since we're on a new septic tank. I can't
remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
system?

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make a better idiot.'
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On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:36:27a, Sqwertz told us...

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> I can't
>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
>> system?
>
> Septic tanks get lice?
>
> -sw
>

I think you're confused, Steve...

http://www.rid-x.com/faq.shtml

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On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:48:46a, Janet told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 3.184...
>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:09:52a, Dee.Dee told us...
>>
>>> Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I
>>> never mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is
>>> septic tank.
>>>
>>> The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
>>> acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>>>
>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, Dee. Good to know, since we're on a new septic tank. I can't
>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
>> system?
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>>
>> *******************************************
>> Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
>> *******************************************
>> 'Make it idiot proof and someone will
>> make a better idiot.'
>> *******************************************
>>
>
> We've always had septic tanks, and they function perfectly well with
> non-ecofriendly detergents.
>
>
>

Thanks, Janet. Is there anything you avoid doing that you might not if you
were on a sewer system?

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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
3.184...
> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:09:52a, Dee.Dee told us...
>
>> Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I
>> never mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is
>> septic tank.
>>
>> The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
>> acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>>
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks, Dee. Good to know, since we're on a new septic tank. I can't
> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
> system?
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright


DH doesn't like to use additives.
He's done his research and made that decision.
I guess that's that. That's all I get out of him.
Dee Dee

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 3.184...
>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:09:52a, Dee.Dee told us...
>>
>>> Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I
>>> never mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is
>>> septic tank.
>>>
>>> The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
>>> acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>>>
>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, Dee. Good to know, since we're on a new septic tank. I can't
>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
>> system?
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>>
>> *******************************************
>> Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
>> *******************************************
>> 'Make it idiot proof and someone will
>> make a better idiot.'
>> *******************************************
>>
>
> We've always had septic tanks, and they function perfectly well with
> non-ecofriendly detergents.


I've had septic tanks since 1988, two different places. I've used
non-ecofriendly myself over the first few years. After living in an RV for
a year and I got used to using 7th Generation and continued for some years
after moving into this house in 1993.

I have used most of the time non-ecofriendly detergents, but since I have
had a new dishwasher and have got rid of my spotting by using an ecological
product, I have decided that I will use only an ecological product from now
on.

They still are a reasonable alternative for septic tanks.
Dee Dee

On Sat 12 Jan 2008 11:00:58a, Sqwertz told us...

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:40:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:36:27a, Sqwertz told us...
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't
>>>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your
>>>> septic system?
>>>
>>> Septic tanks get lice?
>>
>> I think you're confused, Steve...
>>
>> http://www.rid-x.com/faq.shtml
>
> I guess it's just called RID, for lice. But a l ot of people on
> the web call it "Rid-X" as well - so I'm not the only one that's
> confused.
>
> -sw
>

You're probably right, but I've never had to use it so didn't know the name
of RID.

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Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
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paste.
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On Sat 12 Jan 2008 11:18:09a, Dee.Dee told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 3.184...
>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:09:52a, Dee.Dee told us...
>>
>>> Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I
>>> never mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is
>>> septic tank.
>>>
>>> The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
>>> acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>>>
>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, Dee. Good to know, since we're on a new septic tank. I can't
>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
>> system?
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
>
> DH doesn't like to use additives.
> He's done his research and made that decision.
> I guess that's that. That's all I get out of him.
> Dee Dee
>
>
>

That's ALL you get out of him? :-)

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Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
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On Sat 12 Jan 2008 11:25:00a, Dee.Dee told us...

>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 3.184...
>>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:09:52a, Dee.Dee told us...
>>>
>>>> Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I
>>>> never mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is
>>>> septic tank.
>>>>
>>>> The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
>>>> acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>>>>
>>>> Dee Dee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Dee. Good to know, since we're on a new septic tank. I can't
>>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your
>>> septic system?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wayne Boatwright
>>>
>>> *******************************************
>>> Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
>>> *******************************************
>>> 'Make it idiot proof and someone will
>>> make a better idiot.'
>>> *******************************************
>>>
>>
>> We've always had septic tanks, and they function perfectly well with
>> non-ecofriendly detergents.
>
>
> I've had septic tanks since 1988, two different places. I've used
> non-ecofriendly myself over the first few years. After living in an RV
> for a year and I got used to using 7th Generation and continued for some
> years after moving into this house in 1993.
>
> I have used most of the time non-ecofriendly detergents, but since I
> have had a new dishwasher and have got rid of my spotting by using an
> ecological product, I have decided that I will use only an ecological
> product from now on.
>
> They still are a reasonable alternative for septic tanks.
> Dee Dee
>
>
>
>

Makes sense to me.

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Wayne Boatwright said...

> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:09:52a, Dee.Dee told us...
>
>> Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I
>> never mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is
>> septic tank.
>>
>> The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
>> acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>>
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks, Dee. Good to know, since we're on a new septic tank. I can't
> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
> system?


I've used RID-X if I use too much phosphate detergents (laundry or dish) or
Clorox bleach too often but I rarely run the dishwasher and don't have a
family's worth of laundry to do every week.

I used to take my whites into town to Clorox bleach but they cheat on the
hot water temp so it isn't as effective. 130+ When I'm not hot water
bleaching laundry I keep my hot water heater at 120, when bleaching, I up
it to 140! But I have the tank cleaned every two years anyway.

It's easy to tell if your septic tank is working if the septic field grass
grows faster than the rest of the yard grass.

Andy

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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:09:52 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote:

>Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I never
>mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is septic tank.
>
>The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
>acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>
Is this a grocery store item?

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On Sat 12 Jan 2008 02:03:59p, Andy <q> told us...

> Wayne Boatwright said...
>
>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:09:52a, Dee.Dee told us...
>>
>>> Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I
>>> never mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is
>>> septic tank.
>>>
>>> The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
>>> acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>>>
>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, Dee. Good to know, since we're on a new septic tank. I can't
>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your
>> septic system?
>
>
> I've used RID-X if I use too much phosphate detergents (laundry or dish)
> or Clorox bleach too often but I rarely run the dishwasher and don't
> have a family's worth of laundry to do every week.
>
> I used to take my whites into town to Clorox bleach but they cheat on
> the hot water temp so it isn't as effective. 130+ When I'm not hot water
> bleaching laundry I keep my hot water heater at 120, when bleaching, I
> up it to 140! But I have the tank cleaned every two years anyway.
>
> It's easy to tell if your septic tank is working if the septic field
> grass grows faster than the rest of the yard grass.
>
> Andy
>

Our entire yard is coveredin decomposed granite. It doesn't grow. :-)

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Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
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then barf them up while Mom is not home.
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>> DH doesn't like to use additives.
>> He's done his research and made that decision.
>> I guess that's that. That's all I get out of him.
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>>
>
> That's ALL you get out of him? :-)


Yep, he's still in bed with the flu. He's been on yogurt & fruit, and
veggie soup for two days now after not having anything but water for almost
a week, so I'm hoping for a gradual but complete recovery.

I'm certainly glad that Thursday 9 days ago we got in bags of fresh fruit
and vegetables. Tomorrow I'm hoping to get some salmon onto his plate.

Dee Dee

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >> It's easy
to tell if your septic tank is working if the septic field
>> grass grows faster than the rest of the yard grass.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>
> Our entire yard is coveredin decomposed granite. It doesn't grow. :-)
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright


Just watch for puddles.
Dee Dee

On Sat 12 Jan 2008 03:06:29p, Dee.Dee told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>> DH doesn't like to use additives.
>>> He's done his research and made that decision.
>>> I guess that's that. That's all I get out of him.
>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's ALL you get out of him? :-)
>
>
> Yep, he's still in bed with the flu. He's been on yogurt & fruit, and
> veggie soup for two days now after not having anything but water for
> almost a week, so I'm hoping for a gradual but complete recovery.
>
> I'm certainly glad that Thursday 9 days ago we got in bags of fresh
> fruit and vegetables. Tomorrow I'm hoping to get some salmon onto his
> plate.
>
> Dee Dee
>
>
>

Poor guy! That's a *long* time to be down with the flu.

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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:09:52 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
> wrote:
>
>>Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I never
>>mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is septic
>>tank.
>>
>>The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
>>acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>>
> Is this a grocery store item?
>


I find Ecover at my grocercy store - a Giant subsidiary. I believe they
have 7th Generation, too -- but I've not looked for it. I do see 7th
Generation in places that I go seldom like Wegman's, WF and TJ's.

When I ordered Ecover from Amazon a few weeks ago, I was looking for Ecover
Rinse Aid for the dishwasher (like Jet something), and couldn't find it. I
also ordered the tablets that I use in the dishwasher -- Free shipping. But
I don't go thru that much dishwashing soap, itself, so I didn't stock up on
it.

Dee Dee

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
3.184...
> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 11:00:58a, Sqwertz told us...
>
>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:40:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:36:27a, Sqwertz told us...
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can't
>>>>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your
>>>>> septic system?
>>>>
>>>> Septic tanks get lice?
>>>
>>> I think you're confused, Steve...
>>>
>>> http://www.rid-x.com/faq.shtml
>>
>> I guess it's just called RID, for lice. But a l ot of people on
>> the web call it "Rid-X" as well - so I'm not the only one that's
>> confused.
>>
>> -sw
>>
>
> You're probably right, but I've never had to use it so didn't know the
> name
> of RID.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
>
> *******************************************
> Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
> *******************************************
> A mind is a terrible thing to cut and
> paste.
> *******************************************
>
>
We had a septic and well for 30 plus years and never used any auxilary
products. Tide detergent, scott tissue, try to limit water usage
somewhat, get it pumped every few years, no garbage disposal. Was still
fine at 50 years old when we got annexed and hooked up to the city.

del
>

Andy wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright said...
> > Dee.Dee writes:
>
> >> Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I
> >> never mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is
> >> septic tank.
>
> >> The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
> >> acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>
> >>
>
> > Good to know, since we're on a new septic tank. �I can't
> > remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
> > system?
>
> I've used RID-X if I use too much phosphate detergents (laundry or dish) or
> Clorox bleach too often but I rarely run the dishwasher and don't have a
> family's worth of laundry to do every week.
>
> I used to take my whites into town to Clorox bleach but they cheat on the
> hot water temp so it isn't as effective. 130+ When I'm not hot water
> bleaching laundry I keep my hot water heater at 120, when bleaching, I up
> it to 140! But I have the tank cleaned every two years anyway.

If you had a water softener you can use cold water, and half the
bleach, and half the detergent... the money saved on energy and all
cleaaning products, and your scrubbing labor too would more than pay
for the water softener

> It's easy to tell if your septic tank is working if the septic field grass
> grows faster than the rest of the yard grass.

Actually greener grass over the septic field means your system is
_not_ working correctly and/or the septic field was not constructed
properly.

A new septic system should be working correctly without adding any
yeast, enzymes, rid-x, nothing.. if you use those you will be
literally tossing your money down the drain. Just don't put any
petroleum products, into the system, never clean water based paint
brushes/pans in your sink (do that outdoors with a garden hose, the
pigments will seal the soil around the leaching field) Collect all
cooking grease to throw into the trash, and find somewhere to compost
all vegetable matter, do NOT use a garbage disposal if you are on a
septic. Hair conditioner also wreaks havoc on septic systems, use
those judiciously. Space your water use out, do not run several loads
of wash one after another... space out bath and shower water as well,
or you will literally drown the septic system.

"Del Cecchi" wrote:
> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote:
> > On Sat 12 Jan 2008 11:00:58a, Sqwertz told us...
>
> >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:40:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> >>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:36:27a, Sqwertz told us...
>
> >>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> >>>>> I can't
> >>>>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your
> >>>>> septic system?
>
> >>>> Septic tanks get lice?
>
> >>> I think you're confused, Steve...
>
> >>>http://www.rid-x.com/faq.shtml
>
> >> I guess it's just called RID, for lice. �But a l ot of people on
> >> the web call it "Rid-X" as well - so I'm not the only one that's
> >> confused.
>
> >> -sw
>
> > You're probably right, but I've never had to use it so didn't know the
> > name
> > of RID.
>
> We had a septic and well for 30 plus years and never used any auxilary
> products. �Tide detergent, scott tissue, try to limit water usage
> somewhat, �get it pumped every few years, no garbage disposal. �Was still
> fine at 50 years old when we got annexed and hooked up to the city.
>
> del

'Zactly.

"Dee.Dee" wrote:
> I have used most of the time non-ecofriendly detergents, but since I have
> had a new dishwasher and have got rid of my spotting by using an ecological
> product, I have decided that I will use only an ecological product from now
> on.


Spotting is from hard water. When you have hard water your dishes
will spot regardless which cleaning product you use. And with hard
water more cleaning product is needed, which in turn spots dishes even
more. With softened water you can cut your cleaning product use by at
least half, you can over load the machine and still it will clean
better than with hard water. With softened water you cn use shorter
cycles and lower water temperature. Hard water is the greatest cause
of premature dishwasher failure, mineral deposits clog all valves and
sprayers... hard water ruins everything in the house that water makes
contact with.

The saving from a dishwasher alone can pay for a water softening
system.

On Sat 12 Jan 2008 03:08:11p, Dee.Dee told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >> It's
easy
> to tell if your septic tank is working if the septic field
>>> grass grows faster than the rest of the yard grass.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>
>> Our entire yard is coveredin decomposed granite. It doesn't grow. :-)
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
>
> Just watch for puddles.
> Dee Dee
>
>
>

Oh no... I've heard that when liquid reaches the surface it's "too late",
and requires really expensive work.

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Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
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& became a book moth.
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On Sat 12 Jan 2008 03:31:33p, Del Cecchi told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 3.184...
>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 11:00:58a, Sqwertz told us...
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:40:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:36:27a, Sqwertz told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't
>>>>>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your
>>>>>> septic system?
>>>>>
>>>>> Septic tanks get lice?
>>>>
>>>> I think you're confused, Steve...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rid-x.com/faq.shtml
>>>
>>> I guess it's just called RID, for lice. But a l ot of people on
>>> the web call it "Rid-X" as well - so I'm not the only one that's
>>> confused.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>>
>> You're probably right, but I've never had to use it so didn't know the
>> name of RID.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>>
>> *******************************************
>> Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
>> *******************************************
>> A mind is a terrible thing to cut and paste.
>> *******************************************
>>
>>
> We had a septic and well for 30 plus years and never used any auxilary
> products. Tide detergent, scott tissue, try to limit water usage
> somewhat, get it pumped every few years, no garbage disposal. Was still
> fine at 50 years old when we got annexed and hooked up to the city.
>
> del
>>
>
>
>

That's very encouraging. There's only the two of us, too, so not extra
heavy load on the system.

--
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Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
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& became a book moth.
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
3.184...
> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 03:08:11p, Dee.Dee told us...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >> It's
> easy
>> to tell if your septic tank is working if the septic field
>>>> grass grows faster than the rest of the yard grass.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>
>>> Our entire yard is coveredin decomposed granite. It doesn't grow. :-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wayne Boatwright
>>
>>
>> Just watch for puddles.
>> Dee Dee
>>
>>
>>
>
> Oh no... I've heard that when liquid reaches the surface it's "too late",
> and requires really expensive work.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
>


We've had work done on our septic tank 3 x. None was prohibitively
expensive. When we first moved here, there was wetlands/overflow in the
area. They dug it up and re-hooked something and the price (to the sellers)
was about $250. I can't recall what the other items there were that we had
done, but they weren't as expensive as taking a load of poop away -- now
that has increased in price because the local poop dump has decided to
sock-it-to-us septic tank owners. Probably because they want to incorporate
us :-((

But even if they incorporate us, we'd still be able to grand-father in our
water and septic; paying the taxes, too, I'm sure.
Dee Dee

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
3.184...
> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 03:31:33p, Del Cecchi told us...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 3.184...
>>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 11:00:58a, Sqwertz told us...
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:40:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:36:27a, Sqwertz told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't
>>>>>>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your
>>>>>>> septic system?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Septic tanks get lice?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you're confused, Steve...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rid-x.com/faq.shtml
>>>>
>>>> I guess it's just called RID, for lice. But a l ot of people on
>>>> the web call it "Rid-X" as well - so I'm not the only one that's
>>>> confused.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're probably right, but I've never had to use it so didn't know the
>>> name of RID.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wayne Boatwright
>>>
>>> *******************************************
>>> Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
>>> *******************************************
>>> A mind is a terrible thing to cut and paste.
>>> *******************************************
>>>
>>>
>> We had a septic and well for 30 plus years and never used any auxilary
>> products. Tide detergent, scott tissue, try to limit water usage
>> somewhat, get it pumped every few years, no garbage disposal. Was still
>> fine at 50 years old when we got annexed and hooked up to the city.
>>
>> del
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> That's very encouraging. There's only the two of us, too, so not extra
> heavy load on the system.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright


Only suggestion I have is: when you have time, research comments about use
of bleach products.

This may be an inacurrate observation on my part, but I seem to recall that
bleach will play havoc with the little beasties that work on the
deterioration of your waste.

Dee De

On Sat 12 Jan 2008 06:59:18p, Dee.Dee told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 3.184...
>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 03:31:33p, Del Cecchi told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 3.184...
>>>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 11:00:58a, Sqwertz told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:40:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:36:27a, Sqwertz told us...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't
>>>>>>>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your
>>>>>>>> septic system?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Septic tanks get lice?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you're confused, Steve...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.rid-x.com/faq.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess it's just called RID, for lice. But a l ot of people on
>>>>> the web call it "Rid-X" as well - so I'm not the only one that's
>>>>> confused.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're probably right, but I've never had to use it so didn't know
>>>> the name of RID.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Wayne Boatwright
>>>>
>>>> *******************************************
>>>> Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
>>>> *******************************************
>>>> A mind is a terrible thing to cut and paste.
>>>> *******************************************
>>>>
>>>>
>>> We had a septic and well for 30 plus years and never used any auxilary
>>> products. Tide detergent, scott tissue, try to limit water usage
>>> somewhat, get it pumped every few years, no garbage disposal. Was
>>> still fine at 50 years old when we got annexed and hooked up to the
>>> city.
>>>
>>> del
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's very encouraging. There's only the two of us, too, so not extra
>> heavy load on the system.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
>
> Only suggestion I have is: when you have time, research comments about
> use of bleach products.
>
> This may be an inacurrate observation on my part, but I seem to recall
> that bleach will play havoc with the little beasties that work on the
> deterioration of your waste.
>
> Dee De
>
>
>

We don't use bleach often, and then in rather small quantities. I doubt
our use would be a problem, but thanks.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
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'ANARCHY NOW!' - Milo Bloom
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On Sat 12 Jan 2008 06:55:04p, Dee.Dee told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 3.184...
>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 03:08:11p, Dee.Dee told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >> It's
>>> easy to tell if your septic tank is working if the septic field
>>>>> grass grows faster than the rest of the yard grass.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our entire yard is coveredin decomposed granite. It doesn't grow.
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Wayne Boatwright
>>>
>>>
>>> Just watch for puddles.
>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Oh no... I've heard that when liquid reaches the surface it's "too
>> late", and requires really expensive work.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>>
>
>
> We've had work done on our septic tank 3 x. None was prohibitively
> expensive. When we first moved here, there was wetlands/overflow in
> the area. They dug it up and re-hooked something and the price (to the
> sellers) was about $250. I can't recall what the other items there were
> that we had done, but they weren't as expensive as taking a load of poop
> away -- now that has increased in price because the local poop dump has
> decided to sock-it-to-us septic tank owners. Probably because they want
> to incorporate us :-((
>
> But even if they incorporate us, we'd still be able to grand-father in
> our water and septic; paying the taxes, too, I'm sure.
> Dee Dee
>
>

I'd been given to believe that servicing septic systems was extremely
costly. Glad you cleared that up. Ours is brand new, and there are only
the two of us. We're pretty careful about what ends up going down the
drains, so I don't anticipate any premature problems at this point.

--
Wayne Boatwright

*******************************************
Date: Saturday, 01(I)/12(XII)/08(MMVIII)
*******************************************
'ANARCHY NOW!' - Milo Bloom
*******************************************

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:09:52a, Dee.Dee told us...
>
>> Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I
>> never mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is
>> septic tank.
>>
>> The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
>> acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>>
>> Dee Dee
>>

>
>Thanks, Dee. Good to know, since we're on a new septic tank. I can't
>remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
>system?

Wayne,

I just want to jump in to this thread with some personal experience.
Almost every home I've lived in for close to 70 years has been served
by a septic system. In our current home, we've been on the same septic
system for the last 27 years and have experienced no problems. Regular
pumping is important for septic system health.
According to the experts, adding bacterial or enzyme based
starters/rejuvenators is at best, ineffective, unnecessary and a waste
of money; and at worst, can be extremely damaging to the system and/or
the environment.
You may want to check out: http://www.inspect-ny.com/septbook.htm
It has all the information you'll ever need on septic systems.
Your question is addressed specifically at:
http://www.inspect-ny.com/septic/septadds.htm#septadds1
Good luck with your system.

Ross.

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:59:18 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote:

>
>Only suggestion I have is: when you have time, research comments about use
>of bleach products.
>
>This may be an inacurrate observation on my part, but I seem to recall that
>bleach will play havoc with the little beasties that work on the
>deterioration of your waste.
>
>Dee De

Having lived in a home serviced by a septic system most of my life
(I'm now 73), and wishing to avoid any problems, I have probably
researched septic info more than the average person.
With regard to septic systems, here's what the makers of Clorox have
to say about using Clorox Regular for laundry. This is copied and
pasted from the Dr. Laundry section of the Clorox web site.
http://www.drlaundryblog.com/?cat=9
<Quote>
The recommended amount of Clorox Regular-Bleach is 3/4 cup for regular
loads or 1 1/4 cup for large/heavily soiled loads.
As for the septic tank, you shouldn’t worry about using the
recommended amount of bleach. The active ingredient, sodium
hypochlorite, is extremely reactive and nearly all is consumed in the
wash and reverts to mostly salt and water. The small amount that may
be un-reacted will encounter lots of organic soil in the drain pipes
and be consumed long before it reaches the septic tank.
<Unquote>

Ross.

On Sun 13 Jan 2008 08:41:01a, told us...

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:09:52a, Dee.Dee told us...
>>
>>> Wayne, everytime I pick up a bottle or tablet of Ecover I realize I
>>> never mentioned to you that I use Ecover for a lot of reasons, one is
>>> septic tank.
>>>
>>> The other product for use for laundry, dishwashers, cleaners, that is
>>> acceptable for septic tanks is Seventh Generation.
>>>
>>> Dee Dee
>>>
>
>>
>>Thanks, Dee. Good to know, since we're on a new septic tank. I can't
>>remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
>>system?
>
> Wayne,
>
> I just want to jump in to this thread with some personal experience.
> Almost every home I've lived in for close to 70 years has been served
> by a septic system. In our current home, we've been on the same septic
> system for the last 27 years and have experienced no problems. Regular
> pumping is important for septic system health.
> According to the experts, adding bacterial or enzyme based
> starters/rejuvenators is at best, ineffective, unnecessary and a waste
> of money; and at worst, can be extremely damaging to the system and/or
> the environment.
> You may want to check out: http://www.inspect-ny.com/septbook.htm
> It has all the information you'll ever need on septic systems.
> Your question is addressed specifically at:
> http://www.inspect-ny.com/septic/septadds.htm#septadds1
> Good luck with your system.
>
> Ross.

Thanks, Ross. Your own experience and the info on those links is extremely
helpful! I've saved the links to read in greater detail.

--
Wayne Boatwright

*******************************************
Date: Sunday, 01(I)/13(XIII)/08(MMVIII)
*******************************************
'Bother', said Pooh when he couldn't
think of a tagline.
*******************************************

On Sun 13 Jan 2008 09:30:27a, told us...

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:59:18 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Only suggestion I have is: when you have time, research comments about
>>use of bleach products.
>>
>>This may be an inacurrate observation on my part, but I seem to recall
>>that bleach will play havoc with the little beasties that work on the
>>deterioration of your waste.
>>
>>Dee De
>
> Having lived in a home serviced by a septic system most of my life
> (I'm now 73), and wishing to avoid any problems, I have probably
> researched septic info more than the average person.
> With regard to septic systems, here's what the makers of Clorox have
> to say about using Clorox Regular for laundry. This is copied and
> pasted from the Dr. Laundry section of the Clorox web site.
> http://www.drlaundryblog.com/?cat=9
> <Quote>
> The recommended amount of Clorox Regular-Bleach is 3/4 cup for regular
> loads or 1 1/4 cup for large/heavily soiled loads.
> As for the septic tank, you shouldn’t worry about using the
> recommended amount of bleach. The active ingredient, sodium
> hypochlorite, is extremely reactive and nearly all is consumed in the
> wash and reverts to mostly salt and water. The small amount that may
> be un-reacted will encounter lots of organic soil in the drain pipes
> and be consumed long before it reaches the septic tank.
> <Unquote>
>
> Ross.

This information, too, is very helpful. We don't use a lot of bleach or us
it that often, but it is good to know the effect or lack of on the septic
system.

--
Wayne Boatwright

*******************************************
Date: Sunday, 01(I)/13(XIII)/08(MMVIII)
*******************************************
'Bother', said Pooh when he couldn't
think of a tagline.
*******************************************

rossr35 wrote:
> "Dee.Dee" wrote:
> >Only suggestion I have is: when you have time, research comments about use
> >of bleach products.
>
> >This may be an inacurrate observation on my part, but I seem to recall that
> >bleach will play havoc with the little beasties that work on the
> >deterioration of your waste.
>
> >Dee De
>
> Having lived in a home serviced by a septic system most of my life
> (I'm now 73), and wishing to avoid any problems, I have probably
> researched septic info more than the average person.
> With regard to septic systems, here's what the makers of Clorox have
> to say about using Clorox Regular for laundry. This is copied and
> pasted from the Dr. Laundry section of the Clorox web site.http://www.drlaundryblog.com/?cat=9
> <Quote>
> The recommended amount of Clorox Regular-Bleach is 3/4 cup for regular
> loads or 1 1/4 cup for large/heavily soiled loads.
> As for the septic tank, you shouldn't worry about using the
> recommended amount of bleach. The active ingredient, sodium
> hypochlorite, is extremely reactive and nearly all is consumed in the
> wash and reverts to mostly salt and water. The small amount that may
> be un-reacted will encounter lots of organic soil in the drain pipes
> and be consumed long before it reaches the septic tank.
> <Unquote>
>
> Ross.

Just a little detail; one cannot "unquote"... makes one appear
uneducated ergo surplants one's credibility, especially when no
reference is given for the quote... the correct term is *end of
quote*.

Btw, bleach doesn't remove schmutz from clothes, in fact it will
permanently set many stains. Bleach whitens/lightens,sanitizes, and
destroys fibers/plastics/rubber, but it does not clean. With modern
clothes washing detergents/machines it's only necessary to add a small
amount of bleach (1/2 cup) to a wash occasionally (about every tenth
wash) to sanitize/'sweeten' the machine. Washing with bleach
substantially shortens the life of fabics (and many parts of the
machine), save using bleach for the occasional load of old worn out
clothes. Manufactures of these products are out to separate folks
from their dollars, there is very little truth in "soaps" advertising.

Also chlorine bleach is particularly dangerous to human tissue,
especially the respiratory system. The warning is on the label
(corrosive) but is not very specific or even noticable, typically very
small print and mentions eyes and swallowing only, I'll bet most folks
never read or even notice the warning. Bleach fumes permanently
damages lung tissue, actually over time more damaging than smoking.
When using laundry bleach do NOT hang around, start the machine and go
away... many of those products are perfumed, that encourages sniffing,
DON'T. Chloring bleach is one of the more dangerous household
chemicals, regardless how diluted it should never be used as a general
household sanitizer.

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:36:27 GMT, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> I can't
>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
>> system?
>
>Septic tanks get lice?
>
>-sw

they get all kinds of things. don't go in there!

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:21:58 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Sat 12 Jan 2008 11:00:58a, Sqwertz told us...
>
>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:40:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:36:27a, Sqwertz told us...
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can't
>>>>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your
>>>>> septic system?
>>>>
>>>> Septic tanks get lice?
>>>
>>> I think you're confused, Steve...
>>>
>>> http://www.rid-x.com/faq.shtml
>>
>> I guess it's just called RID, for lice. But a l ot of people on
>> the web call it "Rid-X" as well - so I'm not the only one that's
>> confused.
>>
>> -sw
>>
>
>You're probably right, but I've never had to use it so didn't know the name
>of RID.

i suppose you've never heard of kwell or a-2000, either.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:

> >> I can't
> >> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your septic
> >> system?
> >
> >Septic tanks get lice?
> >
> >-sw
>
> they get all kinds of things. don't go in there!


Go there. No thanks. I once saw one of the grossest things in my life at a
septic tank. I was getting it pumped out on a hot summer day and was
standing around watching, but not too close. I offered the guy a beer
which he gladly accepted. Something clogged the suction pipe so he put
down his beer, hauled out the pipe with his bare hands, pulled the
obstruction off the end, put the hose back down, wiped his hands on the
grass and then picked up his beer and had a swig of it. I almost puked. I
would have used gloves and then washed my hands in pure bleach if I had had
to handle that hose.

On Sun 13 Jan 2008 10:45:55a, blake murphy told us...

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:21:58 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>On Sat 12 Jan 2008 11:00:58a, Sqwertz told us...
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:40:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:36:27a, Sqwertz told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't
>>>>>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your
>>>>>> septic system?
>>>>>
>>>>> Septic tanks get lice?
>>>>
>>>> I think you're confused, Steve...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rid-x.com/faq.shtml
>>>
>>> I guess it's just called RID, for lice. But a l ot of people on
>>> the web call it "Rid-X" as well - so I'm not the only one that's
>>> confused.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>>
>>
>>You're probably right, but I've never had to use it so didn't know the
>>name of RID.
>
> i suppose you've never heard of kwell or a-2000, either.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

Actually, no. When I was growing up and anyone cntracted body lice or head
lice, they went to the doctor and got a presecription shampoo.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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Date: Sunday, 01(I)/13(XIII)/08(MMVIII)
*******************************************
Card-carrying member of the cultural elite.
*******************************************

> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:59:18 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Only suggestion I have is: when you have time, research comments about use
>>of bleach products.
>>
>>This may be an inacurrate observation on my part, but I seem to recall
>>that
>>bleach will play havoc with the little beasties that work on the
>>deterioration of your waste.
>>
>>Dee De
>
> Having lived in a home serviced by a septic system most of my life
> (I'm now 73), and wishing to avoid any problems, I have probably
> researched septic info more than the average person.
> With regard to septic systems, here's what the makers of Clorox have
> to say about using Clorox Regular for laundry. This is copied and
> pasted from the Dr. Laundry section of the Clorox web site.
> http://www.drlaundryblog.com/?cat=9
> <Quote>
> The recommended amount of Clorox Regular-Bleach is 3/4 cup for regular
> loads or 1 1/4 cup for large/heavily soiled loads.
> As for the septic tank, you shouldn't worry about using the
> recommended amount of bleach. The active ingredient, sodium
> hypochlorite, is extremely reactive and nearly all is consumed in the
> wash and reverts to mostly salt and water. The small amount that may
> be un-reacted will encounter lots of organic soil in the drain pipes
> and be consumed long before it reaches the septic tank.
> <Unquote>
>
> Ross.


Thanks for your article.

Clorox recommends 3/4 cup to 1-1/4 cup. I rarely ever use more than 1/4
cup, and wouldn't no matter what kind of tank I had.

Dee Dee

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message > This
information, too, is very helpful. We don't use a lot of bleach or us
> it that often, but it is good to know the effect or lack of on the septic
> system.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright


Oh, here's one thing I wanted to mention, but you probably already surmised
that I was referring to the fact that most dishwasher soap does include
bleach -- I may be mistaken about that -- but I know that it no matter what
I used previously that it always drove me out of the kitchen.

But as you use little bleach as it is, if there is bleach in your dishwasher
soap, it wouldn't be of any consequence in regard to the article.

Dee Dee
When using bleach to wash those dirties, is glad the washer is on another
level of the house. Cough, cough!

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>
> Go there. No thanks. I once saw one of the grossest things in my life at a
> septic tank. I was getting it pumped out on a hot summer day and was
> standing around watching, but not too close. I offered the guy a beer
> which he gladly accepted. Something clogged the suction pipe so he put
> down his beer, hauled out the pipe with his bare hands, pulled the
> obstruction off the end, put the hose back down, wiped his hands on the
> grass and then picked up his beer and had a swig of it. I almost puked. I
> would have used gloves and then washed my hands in pure bleach if I had
> had
> to handle that hose.


They do that here. EVERYTIME! They'll go to get something from their truck
to drink, or light a cigarette with poopy hands. I think it's part of their
fun just to disgust us.

Dee Dee

On Sun 13 Jan 2008 11:27:41a, Sqwertz told us...

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:21:58 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 11:00:58a, Sqwertz told us...
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:40:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat 12 Jan 2008 10:36:27a, Sqwertz told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:19:19 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't
>>>>>> remember if I asked you before, but do you ever use Rid-X in your
>>>>>> septic system?
>>>>>
>>>>> Septic tanks get lice?
>>>>
>>>> I think you're confused, Steve...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rid-x.com/faq.shtml
>>>
>>> I guess it's just called RID, for lice. But a l ot of people on
>>> the web call it "Rid-X" as well - so I'm not the only one that's
>>> confused.
>>
>> You're probably right, but I've never had to use it so didn't know the
>> name of RID.
>
> I don't use Cool Whip or a Ford Escape, either, but I've heard of
> them.
>
> -sw
>

Well, that may be, Steve, but I had never heard of it.

--
Wayne Boatwright

*******************************************
Date: Sunday, 01(I)/13(XIII)/08(MMVIII)
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Whatever their other contributions to
society lawyers could be an important
source of nutrition.
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"Dee.Dee" wrote:
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Go there. No thanks. I once saw one of the grossest things in my life at a
> > septic tank. I was getting it pumped out on a hot summer day and was
> > standing around watching, but not too close. I offered the guy a beer
> > which he gladly accepted. Something clogged the suction pipe so he put
> > down his beer, hauled out the pipe with his bare hands, pulled the
> > obstruction off the end, put the hose back down, wiped his hands on the
> > grass and then picked up his beer and had a swig of it. I almost puked. I
> > would have used gloves and then washed my hands in pure bleach if I had
> > had
> > to handle that hose.
>
> They do that here. EVERYTIME! They'll go to get something from their truck
> to drink, or light a cigarette with poopy hands. I think it's part of their
> fun just to disgust us.

It worked. I was disgusted.