chefhelen wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >>
> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >> > cybercat wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > As with every area,
> >> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
> >> > > attitudes.
> >> >
> >> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in
> >> > the
> >> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
> >> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
> >> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
> >>
> >> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from Maine
> >> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
> >>
> >> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area noozepapers
> >> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
> >> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
> >> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
> >> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with that
> >> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
> >> abuse, etc...
> >
> > That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
> > part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
> > more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
> > issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.
> >
> >>
> >> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
> >> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least Illannoy
> >> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection for
> >> gays, etc.
> >>
> >> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he drove
> >> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
> >> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was "Christian -
> >> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even Christian -
> >> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the truck
> >> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
> >> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
> >> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He is
> >> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
> >> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd lived
> >> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for periods
> >> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative fundamentalist
> >> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...
> >
> > Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it naturally
> > drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better areas,
> > leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.
> >
> >>
> >> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was off
> >> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
> >> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
> >> 1974...
> >
> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
>
> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit right
> in!
>

No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...

>
> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in a
> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great weather,
> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there is
> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>
>
> helen

Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
notably they were also from the Huntsville area.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> chefhelen wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Pete C. wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > cybercat wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > As with every area,
>> >> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior
>> >> > > and
>> >> > > attitudes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in
>> >> > the
>> >> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive
>> >> > sub
>> >> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the
>> >> > family
>> >> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
>> >>
>> >> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from Maine
>> >> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
>> >>
>> >> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area noozepapers
>> >> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
>> >> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
>> >> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
>> >> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with that
>> >> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
>> >> abuse, etc...
>> >
>> > That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
>> > part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
>> > more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
>> > issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
>> >> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least Illannoy
>> >> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection for
>> >> gays, etc.
>> >>
>> >> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he drove
>> >> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
>> >> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was "Christian -
>> >> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even Christian -
>> >> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the truck
>> >> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
>> >> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
>> >> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He is
>> >> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
>> >> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd lived
>> >> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for periods
>> >> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative fundamentalist
>> >> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...
>> >
>> > Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it naturally
>> > drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better
>> > areas,
>> > leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was off
>> >> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
>> >> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
>> >> 1974...
>> >
>> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
>> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
>> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
>> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
>>
>> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit
>> right
>> in!
>>
>
> No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
> happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...


I'm a displaced yankee and I can assure you that they *have* stopped
shooting at us!

>
>>
>> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in
>> a
>> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great
>> weather,
>> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there
>> is
>> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>>
>>
>> helen
>
> Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
> in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
> notably they were also from the Huntsville area.

Huntsville isn't really like anywhere else in Alabama. From what I
understand we have the highest per capita income in the SE, and the second
highest number of PhDs.

This is propaganda from the Chamber of Commerce tho!

OB food - Having some friends over tomorrow for roasted chicken. Costco had
the two packs BOGOF so I now have 4 sitting in my fridge. I can't fry them
for beans but I do roast them well.


helen

chefhelen wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > chefhelen wrote:
> >>
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > cybercat wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > As with every area,
> >> >> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior
> >> >> > > and
> >> >> > > attitudes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive
> >> >> > sub
> >> >> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the
> >> >> > family
> >> >> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from Maine
> >> >> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
> >> >>
> >> >> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area noozepapers
> >> >> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
> >> >> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
> >> >> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
> >> >> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with that
> >> >> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
> >> >> abuse, etc...
> >> >
> >> > That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
> >> > part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
> >> > more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
> >> > issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
> >> >> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least Illannoy
> >> >> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection for
> >> >> gays, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he drove
> >> >> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
> >> >> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was "Christian -
> >> >> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even Christian -
> >> >> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the truck
> >> >> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
> >> >> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
> >> >> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He is
> >> >> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
> >> >> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd lived
> >> >> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for periods
> >> >> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative fundamentalist
> >> >> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...
> >> >
> >> > Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it naturally
> >> > drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better
> >> > areas,
> >> > leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was off
> >> >> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
> >> >> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
> >> >> 1974...
> >> >
> >> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
> >> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
> >> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
> >> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
> >>
> >> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit
> >> right
> >> in!
> >>
> >
> > No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
> > happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...
>
> I'm a displaced yankee and I can assure you that they *have* stopped
> shooting at us!

This may be true, but the impression folks in the northeast have of
Alabama hasn't improved so we try not to take unnecessary chances.

>
> >
> >>
> >> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in
> >> a
> >> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great
> >> weather,
> >> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there
> >> is
> >> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
> >>
> >>
> >> helen
> >
> > Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
> > in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
> > notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
>
> Huntsville isn't really like anywhere else in Alabama. From what I
> understand we have the highest per capita income in the SE, and the second
> highest number of PhDs.
>
> This is propaganda from the Chamber of Commerce tho!

I have no doubt that is true, and I expect a large percentage are
imports from other states and countries as is the case in a lot of the
southern states.

>
> OB food - Having some friends over tomorrow for roasted chicken. Costco had
> the two packs BOGOF so I now have 4 sitting in my fridge. I can't fry them
> for beans but I do roast them well.
>
>
> helen

I'm about to start working on some test batches of my "Damned (ex)
Yankee" chili for an upcoming informal competition.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> chefhelen wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > chefhelen wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Pete C. wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > cybercat wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > As with every area,
>> >> >> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with
>> >> >> > > behavior
>> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > > attitudes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a
>> >> >> > regressive
>> >> >> > sub
>> >> >> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the
>> >> >> > family
>> >> >> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from
>> >> >> Maine
>> >> >> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area
>> >> >> noozepapers
>> >> >> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
>> >> >> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
>> >> >> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
>> >> >> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
>> >> >> abuse, etc...
>> >> >
>> >> > That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
>> >> > part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
>> >> > more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
>> >> > issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
>> >> >> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least
>> >> >> Illannoy
>> >> >> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> gays, etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he
>> >> >> drove
>> >> >> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
>> >> >> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was
>> >> >> "Christian -
>> >> >> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even
>> >> >> Christian -
>> >> >> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the
>> >> >> truck
>> >> >> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
>> >> >> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
>> >> >> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
>> >> >> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd
>> >> >> lived
>> >> >> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for
>> >> >> periods
>> >> >> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative
>> >> >> fundamentalist
>> >> >> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it
>> >> > naturally
>> >> > drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better
>> >> > areas,
>> >> > leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was
>> >> >> off
>> >> >> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
>> >> >> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
>> >> >> 1974...
>> >> >
>> >> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups
>> >> > and
>> >> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went
>> >> > through
>> >> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I
>> >> > don't
>> >> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
>> >>
>> >> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit
>> >> right
>> >> in!
>> >>
>> >
>> > No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
>> > happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...
>>
>> I'm a displaced yankee and I can assure you that they *have* stopped
>> shooting at us!
>
> This may be true, but the impression folks in the northeast have of
> Alabama hasn't improved so we try not to take unnecessary chances.
>


Hell, I know around our area it's a really interesting blend of folks from
all over the world so if you're close to here you can let your guard down a
bit. If they shot everyone who "talks funny" they wouldn't have any
industry here!


>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live
>> >> in
>> >> a
>> >> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great
>> >> weather,
>> >> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok,
>> >> there
>> >> is
>> >> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> helen
>> >
>> > Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
>> > in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
>> > notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
>>
>> Huntsville isn't really like anywhere else in Alabama. From what I
>> understand we have the highest per capita income in the SE, and the
>> second
>> highest number of PhDs.
>>
>> This is propaganda from the Chamber of Commerce tho!
>
> I have no doubt that is true, and I expect a large percentage are
> imports from other states and countries as is the case in a lot of the
> southern states.
>


Very true. My hub and I went out to dinner last night with some of the
other folks from his company. 2 Indians, 3 Polish folks, 2 Dutch guys and 4
of us regular Heinz Americans, 2 of whom are Southern. We went to a Thai
restaurant that also serves sushi so we were kind of all over the globe.

>>
>> OB food - Having some friends over tomorrow for roasted chicken. Costco
>> had
>> the two packs BOGOF so I now have 4 sitting in my fridge. I can't fry
>> them
>> for beans but I do roast them well.
>>
>>
>> helen
>
> I'm about to start working on some test batches of my "Damned (ex)
> Yankee" chili for an upcoming informal competition.


Red, green or white? With what I think I'll have leftover tomorrow I think
I'll make some white chili. Good stuff Maynard!


helen

chefhelen wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > chefhelen wrote:
> >>
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > chefhelen wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > cybercat wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > As with every area,
> >> >> >> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with
> >> >> >> > > behavior
> >> >> >> > > and
> >> >> >> > > attitudes.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a
> >> >> >> > regressive
> >> >> >> > sub
> >> >> >> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the
> >> >> >> > family
> >> >> >> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from
> >> >> >> Maine
> >> >> >> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area
> >> >> >> noozepapers
> >> >> >> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
> >> >> >> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
> >> >> >> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
> >> >> >> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
> >> >> >> abuse, etc...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
> >> >> > part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
> >> >> > more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
> >> >> > issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
> >> >> >> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least
> >> >> >> Illannoy
> >> >> >> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> gays, etc.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he
> >> >> >> drove
> >> >> >> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
> >> >> >> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was
> >> >> >> "Christian -
> >> >> >> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even
> >> >> >> Christian -
> >> >> >> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the
> >> >> >> truck
> >> >> >> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
> >> >> >> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
> >> >> >> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
> >> >> >> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd
> >> >> >> lived
> >> >> >> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for
> >> >> >> periods
> >> >> >> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative
> >> >> >> fundamentalist
> >> >> >> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it
> >> >> > naturally
> >> >> > drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better
> >> >> > areas,
> >> >> > leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was
> >> >> >> off
> >> >> >> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
> >> >> >> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
> >> >> >> 1974...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went
> >> >> > through
> >> >> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I
> >> >> > don't
> >> >> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
> >> >>
> >> >> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit
> >> >> right
> >> >> in!
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
> >> > happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...
> >>
> >> I'm a displaced yankee and I can assure you that they *have* stopped
> >> shooting at us!
> >
> > This may be true, but the impression folks in the northeast have of
> > Alabama hasn't improved so we try not to take unnecessary chances.
> >
>
> Hell, I know around our area it's a really interesting blend of folks from
> all over the world so if you're close to here you can let your guard down a
> bit. If they shot everyone who "talks funny" they wouldn't have any
> industry here!

Yep, when you develop a tech center, you get folks from all over.
Especially those who can move to an area with a relatively low cost of
living with a job with a relatively high salary.

>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live
> >> >> in
> >> >> a
> >> >> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great
> >> >> weather,
> >> >> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok,
> >> >> there
> >> >> is
> >> >> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> helen
> >> >
> >> > Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
> >> > in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
> >> > notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
> >>
> >> Huntsville isn't really like anywhere else in Alabama. From what I
> >> understand we have the highest per capita income in the SE, and the
> >> second
> >> highest number of PhDs.
> >>
> >> This is propaganda from the Chamber of Commerce tho!
> >
> > I have no doubt that is true, and I expect a large percentage are
> > imports from other states and countries as is the case in a lot of the
> > southern states.
> >
>
> Very true. My hub and I went out to dinner last night with some of the
> other folks from his company. 2 Indians, 3 Polish folks, 2 Dutch guys and 4
> of us regular Heinz Americans, 2 of whom are Southern. We went to a Thai
> restaurant that also serves sushi so we were kind of all over the globe.

Yep. Texans have even figured out sushi

>
> >>
> >> OB food - Having some friends over tomorrow for roasted chicken. Costco
> >> had
> >> the two packs BOGOF so I now have 4 sitting in my fridge. I can't fry
> >> them
> >> for beans but I do roast them well.
> >>
> >>
> >> helen
> >
> > I'm about to start working on some test batches of my "Damned (ex)
> > Yankee" chili for an upcoming informal competition.
>
> Red, green or white? With what I think I'll have leftover tomorrow I think
> I'll make some white chili. Good stuff Maynard!

Red, traditional competition type chili more-or-less.

<snip>
>>
>> Hell, I know around our area it's a really interesting blend of folks
>> from
>> all over the world so if you're close to here you can let your guard down
>> a
>> bit. If they shot everyone who "talks funny" they wouldn't have any
>> industry here!
>
> Yep, when you develop a tech center, you get folks from all over.
> Especially those who can move to an area with a relatively low cost of
> living with a job with a relatively high salary.
>
>>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute,
>> >> >> live
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great
>> >> >> weather,
>> >> >> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok,
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> helen
>> >> >
>> >> > Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent
>> >> > life
>> >> > in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama,
>> >> > and
>> >> > notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
>> >>
>> >> Huntsville isn't really like anywhere else in Alabama. From what I
>> >> understand we have the highest per capita income in the SE, and the
>> >> second
>> >> highest number of PhDs.
>> >>
>> >> This is propaganda from the Chamber of Commerce tho!
>> >
>> > I have no doubt that is true, and I expect a large percentage are
>> > imports from other states and countries as is the case in a lot of the
>> > southern states.
>> >
>>
>> Very true. My hub and I went out to dinner last night with some of the
>> other folks from his company. 2 Indians, 3 Polish folks, 2 Dutch guys
>> and 4
>> of us regular Heinz Americans, 2 of whom are Southern. We went to a Thai
>> restaurant that also serves sushi so we were kind of all over the globe.
>
> Yep. Texans have even figured out sushi
>
>>
>> >>
>> >> OB food - Having some friends over tomorrow for roasted chicken.
>> >> Costco
>> >> had
>> >> the two packs BOGOF so I now have 4 sitting in my fridge. I can't fry
>> >> them
>> >> for beans but I do roast them well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> helen
>> >
>> > I'm about to start working on some test batches of my "Damned (ex)
>> > Yankee" chili for an upcoming informal competition.
>>
>> Red, green or white? With what I think I'll have leftover tomorrow I
>> think
>> I'll make some white chili. Good stuff Maynard!
>
> Red, traditional competition type chili more-or-less.


And I'm assuming no beans, correct?

I'll pass you some white if you'll return the favor with some red. Then
alll we have to do is find someone West of the Mississippi who's doing
green...........

helen

chefhelen wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >>
> >> Hell, I know around our area it's a really interesting blend of folks
> >> from
> >> all over the world so if you're close to here you can let your guard down
> >> a
> >> bit. If they shot everyone who "talks funny" they wouldn't have any
> >> industry here!
> >
> > Yep, when you develop a tech center, you get folks from all over.
> > Especially those who can move to an area with a relatively low cost of
> > living with a job with a relatively high salary.
> >
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute,
> >> >> >> live
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great
> >> >> >> weather,
> >> >> >> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok,
> >> >> >> there
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> helen
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent
> >> >> > life
> >> >> > in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
> >> >>
> >> >> Huntsville isn't really like anywhere else in Alabama. From what I
> >> >> understand we have the highest per capita income in the SE, and the
> >> >> second
> >> >> highest number of PhDs.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is propaganda from the Chamber of Commerce tho!
> >> >
> >> > I have no doubt that is true, and I expect a large percentage are
> >> > imports from other states and countries as is the case in a lot of the
> >> > southern states.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Very true. My hub and I went out to dinner last night with some of the
> >> other folks from his company. 2 Indians, 3 Polish folks, 2 Dutch guys
> >> and 4
> >> of us regular Heinz Americans, 2 of whom are Southern. We went to a Thai
> >> restaurant that also serves sushi so we were kind of all over the globe.
> >
> > Yep. Texans have even figured out sushi
> >
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> OB food - Having some friends over tomorrow for roasted chicken.
> >> >> Costco
> >> >> had
> >> >> the two packs BOGOF so I now have 4 sitting in my fridge. I can't fry
> >> >> them
> >> >> for beans but I do roast them well.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> helen
> >> >
> >> > I'm about to start working on some test batches of my "Damned (ex)
> >> > Yankee" chili for an upcoming informal competition.
> >>
> >> Red, green or white? With what I think I'll have leftover tomorrow I
> >> think
> >> I'll make some white chili. Good stuff Maynard!
> >
> > Red, traditional competition type chili more-or-less.
>
> And I'm assuming no beans, correct?
>
> I'll pass you some white if you'll return the favor with some red. Then
> alll we have to do is find someone West of the Mississippi who's doing
> green...........
>
> helen

No beans. Little or no tomato as well. Still working on various test
batches.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:52:11 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:
>> >
>> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
>> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
>> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
>> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
>>
>> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit right
>> in!
>>
>
>No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
>happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...
>

>Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
>in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
>notably they were also from the Huntsville area.

What a bunch of prejudice Bull Shit.
You would be safer in Alabama then in any number of those wonderful
red states that you have mentioned.
I was raised in New York city, lived in Chicago for 18 years and moved
to south Alabama 25 years ago.I worked as a cop in Chicago and in
Alabama. and I know that there are idiots and inbred's in all areas,
including evidently in areas that you reside in.

Next time stop in Alabama during the day time and meet the locals, if
they will talk to someone as prejudice as you. You will be surprised.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:29:52 -0800, Pan > wrote:


>I was raised in New York city, lived in Chicago for 18 years and moved
>to south Alabama 25 years ago.

What part of Alabama?

I just remembered I have a cookbook by Frank Stitt, who has an award
winning restaurant in Birmingham, AL. The cookbook is Frank Stitt's
Southern Table, and in it he talks about some of the foods there in
Alabama. Some of which isn't to be found elsewhere.

His book is more elaborate than some, but the food descriptions still
evoke the wonder of southern food.

Christine

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:29:52 -0800, Pan > wrote:
>
>
>>I was raised in New York city, lived in Chicago for 18 years and moved
>>to south Alabama 25 years ago.
>
> What part of Alabama?
>
> I just remembered I have a cookbook by Frank Stitt, who has an award
> winning restaurant in Birmingham, AL. The cookbook is Frank Stitt's
> Southern Table, and in it he talks about some of the foods there in
> Alabama. Some of which isn't to be found elsewhere.
>
> His book is more elaborate than some, but the food descriptions still
> evoke the wonder of southern food.
>
> Christine


He has Highlands Bar and Grill and another one, next door, I believe. I
never made it there because, as with most chefs, Monday was my only day off.
It was his too so I've never managed to have his food. I've been impressed
with some of the folks who've come out of his kitchen tho', two of whom are
up here running a club and about to open a restaurant.

helen

Pan wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:52:11 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
> >> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
> >> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
> >> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
> >>
> >> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit right
> >> in!
> >>
> >
> >No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
> >happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...
> >
>
> >Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
> >in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
> >notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
>
> What a bunch of prejudice Bull Shit.
> You would be safer in Alabama then in any number of those wonderful
> red states that you have mentioned.

I never claimed that there were not more dangerous places. My point was
that folks in the northeast tend to think of Alabama as the ground zero
of everything we dislike about the "south". Not that there aren't
perfectly decent intelligent people there, just the ones we see in the
media in the northeast aren't.

> I was raised in New York city, lived in Chicago for 18 years and moved
> to south Alabama 25 years ago.I worked as a cop in Chicago and in
> Alabama. and I know that there are idiots and inbred's in all areas,
> including evidently in areas that you reside in.

I've spent time in NYC and Chicago as well. There are indeed idiots and
inbreds in all areas, but there certainly are hot spots for such in
various places.

>
> Next time stop in Alabama during the day time and meet the locals, if
> they will talk to someone as prejudice as you. You will be surprised.

I'm sure I could find some perfectly nice locals in various places.
While I've not spent time in Alabama, I have spent a fair amount of time
in Arkansas and I did indeed encounter a number of folks who did make me
cringe a bit. I even checked directions at one gas station where the
locals referred to my destination as scary and referenced "that movie"
and not stopping for anyone along the road. I've been to that place
several times now and have never even seen any locals in that area
(single digit population), so I can't really say.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:52:11 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>chefhelen wrote:
>> >
>> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in a
>> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great weather,
>> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there is
>> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>>
>>
>> helen
>
>Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
>in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
>notably they were also from the Huntsville area.

yes, i'm sure you can't be a bigot because some of your best friends
are from alabama.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:52:11 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >chefhelen wrote:
> >> >
> >> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in a
> >> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great weather,
> >> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there is
> >> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
> >>
> >>
> >> helen
> >
> >Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
> >in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
> >notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
>
> yes, i'm sure you can't be a bigot because some of your best friends
> are from alabama.

You need to try looking up the actual definition of "bigot", as it has
absolutely no relevance to my statement.

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:55:01 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:52:11 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >chefhelen wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in a
>> >> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great weather,
>> >> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there is
>> >> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> helen
>> >
>> >Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
>> >in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
>> >notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
>>
>> yes, i'm sure you can't be a bigot because some of your best friends
>> are from alabama.
>
>You need to try looking up the actual definition of "bigot", as it has
>absolutely no relevance to my statement.

oh, i don't know, blanket condemnations of a group of people 'except
for a couple of them that i know that are o.k.' seems close enough for
me.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:55:01 GMT, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>>blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:52:11 -0600, "Pete C." >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >chefhelen wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live
>>> >> in a
>>> >> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great
>>> >> weather,
>>> >> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok,
>>> >> there is
>>> >> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> helen
>>> >
>>> >Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
>>> >in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
>>> >notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
>>>
>>> yes, i'm sure you can't be a bigot because some of your best friends
>>> are from alabama.
>>
>>You need to try looking up the actual definition of "bigot", as it has
>>absolutely no relevance to my statement.
>
> oh, i don't know, blanket condemnations of a group of people 'except
> for a couple of them that i know that are o.k.' seems close enough for
> me.
>
> your pal,
> blake

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