"Christine Dabney" > wrote
>
> Yes, I have those. I like them very, very much.
>
> I have books by Damon Lee Fowler, by James Villas, by Bill Neal, by
> the Lee Brothers, and I forget who else. Oh, and Edna Lewis. LOL.
> The first book I got of hers was The Taste of Country Cooking, and I
> then proceeded to collect all of her books over the years.
>
> My collection of books on Southern food encompass 1 1/2 bookshelves,
> and I still collect more. Even though I grew up in Virginia and know
> a lot of what Edna Lewis talks about, I still want to and can learn
> more about the regional cooking of the South. It is my heritage, and
> I am proud of it. This essay of Edna Lewis speaks to me about the
> wonder of southern food, and the culture from which it came.
>
> Yes some of the southern food that has emerged is awful and not really
> a good representation of how good it can be. Paula Deen is an example
> of this, to my mind. When I compare the food/cooking of Paula Deen
> and that of Edna Lewis, there is just no comparison. Edna Lewis and
> her expression of Southern food is miles beyond Paula Deen, at least
> to me.
>

Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:26:05 -0500, "cybercat" >
wrote:


>Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?
>

No I don't. Are they good?

I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold, but
if she is not like that, I might be interested. I know I have seen
the name...but I think when I looked at them, they didn't pull me in
like some other writers, such as Bill Neal, Edna Lewis and a few
others. That doesn't mean I might not like them..I will have to take
another look.

Christine

Christine Dabney > wrote:

>I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold
>[..]

So what mold is that? (I'm completely unfamiliar with Paula Deen.)

Steve

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:03:37 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>Christine Dabney > wrote:
>
>>I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold
>>[..]
>
>So what mold is that? (I'm completely unfamiliar with Paula Deen.)
>
>Steve


Using canned soups, convenience foods to create "southern" foods. Full
of fat, salt....

Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
Christine

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:03:37 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>>Christine Dabney > wrote:
>>
>>>I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold
>>>[..]
>>
>>So what mold is that? (I'm completely unfamiliar with Paula Deen.)
>>
>>Steve
>
>
> Using canned soups, convenience foods to create "southern" foods. Full
> of fat, salt....
>
> Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
> not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
> category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
> Christine


I agree. I used to be pulled in looking at what's coming up on Paula Deen
and going to the recipe before I would record her show, then seeing it's
just like Sandra Lee's (or Dee's?) recipes. I'm know I've done worse,
but -- well, you know the rest.

Dee Dee

Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:03:37 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
> >Christine Dabney > wrote:
> >
> >>I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold
> >>[..]
> >
> >So what mold is that? (I'm completely unfamiliar with Paula Deen.)
> >
> >Steve
>
> Using canned soups, convenience foods to create "southern" foods. Full
> of fat, salt....
>
> Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
> not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
> category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
> Christine

Are you confusing Ms. Lee with Ms, Dean? Ms. Dean is the pound of butter
in everything cook, not the semi ho-made one producing the truly hideous
convenience fare.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:21:31 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:


>> Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
>> not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
>> category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
>> Christine
>
>Are you confusing Ms. Lee with Ms, Dean? Ms. Dean is the pound of butter
>in everything cook, not the semi ho-made one producing the truly hideous
>convenience fare.

No, I am not confusing the two. Paula Deen also does some of the same
things that Sandra Lee does.... she just does it in the name of
southern cooking. Not all of them, mind you are that way, but enough
of them are, to completely turn me off.

I grew up in the world of the type of southern cooking that Edna Lewis
did.

Christine

Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:21:31 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >> Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
> >> not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
> >> category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
> >> Christine
> >
> >Are you confusing Ms. Lee with Ms, Dean? Ms. Dean is the pound of butter
> >in everything cook, not the semi ho-made one producing the truly hideous
> >convenience fare.
>
> No, I am not confusing the two. Paula Deen also does some of the same
> things that Sandra Lee does.... she just does it in the name of
> southern cooking. Not all of them, mind you are that way, but enough
> of them are, to completely turn me off.
>
> I grew up in the world of the type of southern cooking that Edna Lewis
> did.
>
> Christine

I guess I haven't watched enough of Ms. Dean to catch those problem
recipes. A few minutes of Ms. Lee is enough, especially the bar-ware
tree.

In article >, Pete C. > wrote:

>Christine Dabney wrote:

>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:03:37 +0000 (UTC),
>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>>
>> >Christine Dabney > wrote:
>> >
>> >>I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold
>> >>[..]
>> >
>> >So what mold is that? (I'm completely unfamiliar with Paula Deen.)
>> >
>> >Steve
>>
>> Using canned soups, convenience foods to create "southern" foods. Full
>> of fat, salt....
>>
>> Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
>> not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
>> category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
>Are you confusing Ms. Lee with Ms, Dean? Ms. Dean is the pound of butter
>in everything cook, not the semi ho-made one producing the truly hideous
>convenience fare.

Christine seems to be right; there are cans of soup in a lot
of her recipes, and other overly-processed ingredients like
garlic powder.

Then there are a lot of ingredients that *could* be something
other than processed foods, like mayonaisse and chicken stock,
so you'd have to have more information about what she's
actually doing. One suspects processed in most cases.

Steve

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:26:05 -0500, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?
>>
>
> No I don't. Are they good?

Yes, indeed. Soul food. Mama Dip's books are UNC Press' top selling
books. She finances all those terribly dry scholarly books they publish.

Her real name is Mildred Council.

http://southernfood.about.com/od/coo.../aa102800a.htm

On Jan 21, 4:28*pm, Christine Dabney > wrote:
> >Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?
>
> No I don't. *Are they good? *

Mamma Dip WROTE the book on southern cooking! Her restaurant is
deserves to be "stood in line" for!

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:26:59 -0800 (PST), Brawny >
wrote:

>On Jan 21, 4:28*pm, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>> >Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?
>>
>> No I don't. *Are they good? *
>
>Mamma Dip WROTE the book on southern cooking! Her restaurant is
>deserves to be "stood in line" for!

Oh, okay. Guess I will have to find her books. Like I need more
cookbooks...but need has nothing to do with this..LOL.

I forgot that I had even more southern cookbooks. I have one by
Joseph E. Dabney (no relationship to me, unless it is very distant)
called Smokehouse Ham, Spoon Bread & Scuppernong Wine. Another one by
Sarah Belk, called Around the Southern Table. And by John Martin
Taylor, The New Southern Cook.

And also the wonderful volume on Southern Cooking from the Time-Life
series Foods of the World. That one was by the author Eugene Walter,
who is mentioned by Edna Lewis in her essay. I was still in nursing
school, or maybe still in high school when that volume came out, and
it opened my eyes beyond the food of my native Richmond, VA.

This is not to try to outdo anyone on having more southern cookbooks,
but just that I am fascinated by the culture and food of the southern
states and I collect the cookbooks and other books about food from
this region.


Christine

Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:26:59 -0800 (PST), Brawny >
> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 21, 4:28 pm, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>>>> Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?
>>> No I don't. Are they good?
>> Mamma Dip WROTE the book on southern cooking! Her restaurant is
>> deserves to be "stood in line" for!
>
> Oh, okay. Guess I will have to find her books. Like I need more
> cookbooks...but need has nothing to do with this..LOL.

I wouldn't waste my time on Mama Dip's book. It is a tad ordinary and
unremarkable, perhaps a bit cliche even....unlike anything written by
Edna Lewis!

Brawny wrote:
> On Jan 21, 4:28 pm, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>>> Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?
>> No I don't. Are they good?
>
> Mamma Dip WROTE the book on southern cooking! Her restaurant is
> deserves to be "stood in line" for!

From what I've read it is kinda over rated and going downhill?
Just like that ghastly restaurant Paula Deen owns-mediocre cafeteria
style food with a dash of celebrity.

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:26:05 -0500, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?
>>
>
> No I don't. Are they good?
>
> I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold, but
> if she is not like that, I might be interested. I know I have seen
> the name...but I think when I looked at them, they didn't pull me in
> like some other writers, such as Bill Neal, Edna Lewis and a few
> others. That doesn't mean I might not like them..I will have to take
> another look.
>
> Christine
>


OOOOH, Moma Dip. I have her cookbook, it's great. She's an old fashioned
cook from Chapel Hill, NC. She's not a celebrity chef by any means, but she
is a local legend.
-ginny