On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:26:05 -0500, "cybercat" >
wrote:


>Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?
>

No I don't. Are they good?

I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold, but
if she is not like that, I might be interested. I know I have seen
the name...but I think when I looked at them, they didn't pull me in
like some other writers, such as Bill Neal, Edna Lewis and a few
others. That doesn't mean I might not like them..I will have to take
another look.

Christine

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> >> >> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > cybercat wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > > As with every area,
> >> >> >> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with
> >> >> >> > > behavior
> >> >> >> > > and
> >> >> >> > > attitudes.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a
> >> >> >> > regressive
> >> >> >> > sub
> >> >> >> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the
> >> >> >> > family
> >> >> >> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from
> >> >> >> Maine
> >> >> >> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area
> >> >> >> noozepapers
> >> >> >> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
> >> >> >> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
> >> >> >> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
> >> >> >> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
> >> >> >> abuse, etc...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
> >> >> > part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
> >> >> > more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
> >> >> > issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
> >> >> >> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least
> >> >> >> Illannoy
> >> >> >> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> gays, etc.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he
> >> >> >> drove
> >> >> >> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
> >> >> >> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was
> >> >> >> "Christian -
> >> >> >> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even
> >> >> >> Christian -
> >> >> >> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the
> >> >> >> truck
> >> >> >> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
> >> >> >> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
> >> >> >> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
> >> >> >> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd
> >> >> >> lived
> >> >> >> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for
> >> >> >> periods
> >> >> >> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative
> >> >> >> fundamentalist
> >> >> >> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it
> >> >> > naturally
> >> >> > drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better
> >> >> > areas,
> >> >> > leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was
> >> >> >> off
> >> >> >> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
> >> >> >> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
> >> >> >> 1974...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went
> >> >> > through
> >> >> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I
> >> >> > don't
> >> >> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
> >> >>
> >> >> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit
> >> >> right
> >> >> in!
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
> >> > happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...
> >>
> >> I'm a displaced yankee and I can assure you that they *have* stopped
> >> shooting at us!
> >
> > This may be true, but the impression folks in the northeast have of
> > Alabama hasn't improved so we try not to take unnecessary chances.
> >
>
> Hell, I know around our area it's a really interesting blend of folks from
> all over the world so if you're close to here you can let your guard down a
> bit. If they shot everyone who "talks funny" they wouldn't have any
> industry here!

Yep, when you develop a tech center, you get folks from all over.
Especially those who can move to an area with a relatively low cost of
living with a job with a relatively high salary.

>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live
> >> >> in
> >> >> a
> >> >> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great
> >> >> weather,
> >> >> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok,
> >> >> there
> >> >> is
> >> >> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> helen
> >> >
> >> > Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
> >> > in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
> >> > notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
> >>
> >> Huntsville isn't really like anywhere else in Alabama. From what I
> >> understand we have the highest per capita income in the SE, and the
> >> second
> >> highest number of PhDs.
> >>
> >> This is propaganda from the Chamber of Commerce tho!
> >
> > I have no doubt that is true, and I expect a large percentage are
> > imports from other states and countries as is the case in a lot of the
> > southern states.
> >
>
> Very true. My hub and I went out to dinner last night with some of the
> other folks from his company. 2 Indians, 3 Polish folks, 2 Dutch guys and 4
> of us regular Heinz Americans, 2 of whom are Southern. We went to a Thai
> restaurant that also serves sushi so we were kind of all over the globe.

Yep. Texans have even figured out sushi

>
> >>
> >> OB food - Having some friends over tomorrow for roasted chicken. Costco
> >> had
> >> the two packs BOGOF so I now have 4 sitting in my fridge. I can't fry
> >> them
> >> for beans but I do roast them well.
> >>
> >>
> >> helen
> >
> > I'm about to start working on some test batches of my "Damned (ex)
> > Yankee" chili for an upcoming informal competition.
>
> Red, green or white? With what I think I'll have leftover tomorrow I think
> I'll make some white chili. Good stuff Maynard!

Red, traditional competition type chili more-or-less.

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> "Pete C." > wrote in message
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> > "Dee.Dee" wrote:
> >>
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > cybercat wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> As with every area,
> >> >> education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
> >> >> attitudes.
> >> >
> >> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in
> >> > the
> >> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
> >> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
> >> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
> >
> > Um, did you have a comment?
>
> Dee doesn't like you talking like that about her kin.

I guess.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:43:00 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>You gonna try some southern food now?

I don't recall saying I wouldn't. I think all of rfc knows I have
tried and loved fried okra (cornmeal coating).

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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:29:52 -0800, Pan > wrote:


>I was raised in New York city, lived in Chicago for 18 years and moved
>to south Alabama 25 years ago.

What part of Alabama?

I just remembered I have a cookbook by Frank Stitt, who has an award
winning restaurant in Birmingham, AL. The cookbook is Frank Stitt's
Southern Table, and in it he talks about some of the foods there in
Alabama. Some of which isn't to be found elsewhere.

His book is more elaborate than some, but the food descriptions still
evoke the wonder of southern food.

Christine

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:34:09 -0800, sf wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:43:00 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:
>
>>You gonna try some southern food now?
>
>I don't recall saying I wouldn't. I think all of rfc knows I have
>tried and loved fried okra (cornmeal coating).

Yeah, but there is so much more!!!

Christine, thinking of spoonbread for some reason....

Pan wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:52:11 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
> >> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
> >> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
> >> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
> >>
> >> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit right
> >> in!
> >>
> >
> >No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
> >happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...
> >
>
> >Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
> >in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
> >notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
>
> What a bunch of prejudice Bull Shit.
> You would be safer in Alabama then in any number of those wonderful
> red states that you have mentioned.

I never claimed that there were not more dangerous places. My point was
that folks in the northeast tend to think of Alabama as the ground zero
of everything we dislike about the "south". Not that there aren't
perfectly decent intelligent people there, just the ones we see in the
media in the northeast aren't.

> I was raised in New York city, lived in Chicago for 18 years and moved
> to south Alabama 25 years ago.I worked as a cop in Chicago and in
> Alabama. and I know that there are idiots and inbred's in all areas,
> including evidently in areas that you reside in.

I've spent time in NYC and Chicago as well. There are indeed idiots and
inbreds in all areas, but there certainly are hot spots for such in
various places.

>
> Next time stop in Alabama during the day time and meet the locals, if
> they will talk to someone as prejudice as you. You will be surprised.

I'm sure I could find some perfectly nice locals in various places.
While I've not spent time in Alabama, I have spent a fair amount of time
in Arkansas and I did indeed encounter a number of folks who did make me
cringe a bit. I even checked directions at one gas station where the
locals referred to my destination as scary and referenced "that movie"
and not stopping for anyone along the road. I've been to that place
several times now and have never even seen any locals in that area
(single digit population), so I can't really say.

Christine Dabney > wrote:

>I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold
>[..]

So what mold is that? (I'm completely unfamiliar with Paula Deen.)

Steve

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:03:37 +0000 (UTC),
(Steve Pope) wrote:

>Christine Dabney > wrote:
>
>>I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold
>>[..]
>
>So what mold is that? (I'm completely unfamiliar with Paula Deen.)
>
>Steve


Using canned soups, convenience foods to create "southern" foods. Full
of fat, salt....

Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
Christine

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:03:37 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>>Christine Dabney > wrote:
>>
>>>I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold
>>>[..]
>>
>>So what mold is that? (I'm completely unfamiliar with Paula Deen.)
>>
>>Steve
>
>
> Using canned soups, convenience foods to create "southern" foods. Full
> of fat, salt....
>
> Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
> not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
> category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
> Christine


I agree. I used to be pulled in looking at what's coming up on Paula Deen
and going to the recipe before I would record her show, then seeing it's
just like Sandra Lee's (or Dee's?) recipes. I'm know I've done worse,
but -- well, you know the rest.

Dee Dee

Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:03:37 +0000 (UTC),
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
> >Christine Dabney > wrote:
> >
> >>I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold
> >>[..]
> >
> >So what mold is that? (I'm completely unfamiliar with Paula Deen.)
> >
> >Steve
>
> Using canned soups, convenience foods to create "southern" foods. Full
> of fat, salt....
>
> Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
> not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
> category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
> Christine

Are you confusing Ms. Lee with Ms, Dean? Ms. Dean is the pound of butter
in everything cook, not the semi ho-made one producing the truly hideous
convenience fare.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:21:31 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:


>> Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
>> not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
>> category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
>> Christine
>
>Are you confusing Ms. Lee with Ms, Dean? Ms. Dean is the pound of butter
>in everything cook, not the semi ho-made one producing the truly hideous
>convenience fare.

No, I am not confusing the two. Paula Deen also does some of the same
things that Sandra Lee does.... she just does it in the name of
southern cooking. Not all of them, mind you are that way, but enough
of them are, to completely turn me off.

I grew up in the world of the type of southern cooking that Edna Lewis
did.

Christine

Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:21:31 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >> Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
> >> not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
> >> category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
> >> Christine
> >
> >Are you confusing Ms. Lee with Ms, Dean? Ms. Dean is the pound of butter
> >in everything cook, not the semi ho-made one producing the truly hideous
> >convenience fare.
>
> No, I am not confusing the two. Paula Deen also does some of the same
> things that Sandra Lee does.... she just does it in the name of
> southern cooking. Not all of them, mind you are that way, but enough
> of them are, to completely turn me off.
>
> I grew up in the world of the type of southern cooking that Edna Lewis
> did.
>
> Christine

I guess I haven't watched enough of Ms. Dean to catch those problem
recipes. A few minutes of Ms. Lee is enough, especially the bar-ware
tree.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:37:14 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:


>I guess I haven't watched enough of Ms. Dean to catch those problem
>recipes. A few minutes of Ms. Lee is enough, especially the bar-ware
>tree.

I am watching her right now, and actually what she is doing today
isn't that bad. It looks like she is fixing an oxtail stew. However,
the okra hoecakes don't look like any hoecakes I have ever had, or
made. The one she made is enormous, and I usually had ones that were
much smaller. And certainly not cooked in as much oil.

Christine

In article >, Pete C. > wrote:

>Christine Dabney wrote:

>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:03:37 +0000 (UTC),
>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>>
>> >Christine Dabney > wrote:
>> >
>> >>I am inclined to avoid writers that fall into the Paula Deen mold
>> >>[..]
>> >
>> >So what mold is that? (I'm completely unfamiliar with Paula Deen.)
>> >
>> >Steve
>>
>> Using canned soups, convenience foods to create "southern" foods. Full
>> of fat, salt....
>>
>> Look on the food network site...to see some of her recipes. Mind you,
>> not all of them are bad, but most of them seem to fall in that
>> category.... And some of the combos just seem awful...at least to me.
>Are you confusing Ms. Lee with Ms, Dean? Ms. Dean is the pound of butter
>in everything cook, not the semi ho-made one producing the truly hideous
>convenience fare.

Christine seems to be right; there are cans of soup in a lot
of her recipes, and other overly-processed ingredients like
garlic powder.

Then there are a lot of ingredients that *could* be something
other than processed foods, like mayonaisse and chicken stock,
so you'd have to have more information about what she's
actually doing. One suspects processed in most cases.

Steve

Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:37:14 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >I guess I haven't watched enough of Ms. Dean to catch those problem
> >recipes. A few minutes of Ms. Lee is enough, especially the bar-ware
> >tree.
>
> I am watching her right now, and actually what she is doing today
> isn't that bad. It looks like she is fixing an oxtail stew. However,
> the okra hoecakes don't look like any hoecakes I have ever had, or
> made. The one she made is enormous, and I usually had ones that were
> much smaller. And certainly not cooked in as much oil.
>
> Christine

If she can't load it with butter, she has to fry it I think. I just
caught part of that before RR came on and the resulting convulsion
changed the channel to Dirty Jobs... RR certainly looks ok, and she
might even be able to cook, but I can't tell since she doesn't shut up
long enough for me to be able to watch.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:37:19 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:34:09 -0800, sf wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:43:00 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:
>>
>>>You gonna try some southern food now?
>>
>>I don't recall saying I wouldn't. I think all of rfc knows I have
>>tried and loved fried okra (cornmeal coating).
>
>Yeah, but there is so much more!!!
>
>Christine, thinking of spoonbread for some reason....

You make it, I'll try it. Just don't make "greens". I've tried them
and I still don't like them.

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Pete C. wrote:

> ..... RR certainly looks ok,

Only if you like the Joker :-0
http://tinyurl.com/ysxt5k

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:14:36 -0800, sf wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:37:19 -0700, Christine Dabney

>>Yeah, but there is so much more!!!
>>
>>Christine, thinking of spoonbread for some reason....
>
>You make it, I'll try it. Just don't make "greens". I've tried them
>and I still don't like them.

Have you ever had southern style greens with some sort of cured,
smoked pork in them? Or some other way?

Christine

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:26:05 -0500, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?
>>
>
> No I don't. Are they good?

Yes, indeed. Soul food. Mama Dip's books are UNC Press' top selling
books. She finances all those terribly dry scholarly books they publish.

Her real name is Mildred Council.

http://southernfood.about.com/od/coo.../aa102800a.htm

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:52:11 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:
>> >
>> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
>> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
>> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
>> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
>>
>> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit right
>> in!
>>
>
>No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
>happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...
>

>Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
>in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
>notably they were also from the Huntsville area.

What a bunch of prejudice Bull Shit.
You would be safer in Alabama then in any number of those wonderful
red states that you have mentioned.
I was raised in New York city, lived in Chicago for 18 years and moved
to south Alabama 25 years ago.I worked as a cop in Chicago and in
Alabama. and I know that there are idiots and inbred's in all areas,
including evidently in areas that you reside in.

Next time stop in Alabama during the day time and meet the locals, if
they will talk to someone as prejudice as you. You will be surprised.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:47:36 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>I have books by Damon Lee Fowler, by James Villas, by Bill Neal, by
>the Lee Brothers, and I forget who else. Oh, and Edna Lewis. LOL.
>The first book I got of hers was The Taste of Country Cooking, and I
>then proceeded to collect all of her books over the years

I afraid to play "Stump the Band" in this category with you. I bet
you have already read or own anything I might mention, but -- just in
case or at least for everyone else's benefit -- I wanted to mention a
few favorites that are somewhat less known.

The Cornbread Nation anthologies of Southern food writing are
brilliant and moving. There are three so far:
http://www.southernfoodways.com/cornbread_nation.shtml

The Foxfire Book of Appalachian Cookery is wonderful. It's very
educational.

How to Cook a Pig & Other Back-To-The-Farm Recipes : An
Autobiographical Cookbook by Betty Talmadge (former First Lady of
Georgia) is a hoot and it is interesting to hear stories from a lady
in the ham business in the 1960's.

Cross Creek Cookery by Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings is just as lovely as
it should be.

Tara

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:39:29 -0500, Tara >
wrote:


>
>I afraid to play "Stump the Band" in this category with you. I bet
>you have already read or own anything I might mention, but -- just in
>case or at least for everyone else's benefit -- I wanted to mention a
>few favorites that are somewhat less known.
>
>The Cornbread Nation anthologies of Southern food writing are
>brilliant and moving. There are three so far:
>http://www.southernfoodways.com/cornbread_nation.shtml

No, I don't have that one. I have heard of it though, and of the
Southern Foodways Alliance. I think Damon Lee Fowler was one of the
founding members of that organization. They have a symposium every
year, in one of the southern states. Hmm..I just looked at the site
and you can now listen to some of the presentations. I will have to
do that a bit later on...

>How to Cook a Pig & Other Back-To-The-Farm Recipes : An
>Autobiographical Cookbook by Betty Talmadge (former First Lady of
>Georgia) is a hoot and it is interesting to hear stories from a lady
>in the ham business in the 1960's.

Don't have that one either.
>
>Cross Creek Cookery by Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings is just as lovely as
>it should be.

Oh yes..I do have this book. It has long been a favorite of mine, and
some wonderful food in there. Her descriptions, and writing are just
marvelous.

I also have some books by John Egerton (sp?) on southern food. Not so
much cookbooks as talking about the foods themselves. There are some
recipes though.

Christine

I grew up in a small coal-mining community in Pennsylvania.

After each high school graduation,
the "best and the brightest" moved off
to the city, to college, to better jobs.
They never came back, except to visit family.

Now imagine a 75 year period of
skimming off "the cream of the gene pool"
and leaving the remainder to re-populate.

We visited there after years away.
The younger generations are generally a scruffy lot
of welfare recipients, petty criminals, and illegitimate children.

I would think there'd have been some scientific study
of this generational decay.......

<rj>

<RJ> wrote:

> I grew up in a small coal-mining community in Pennsylvania....

In order for me to give your post some context, to what are you replying or
responding to?
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:23:03 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:14:36 -0800, sf wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:37:19 -0700, Christine Dabney
>
>>>Yeah, but there is so much more!!!
>>>
>>>Christine, thinking of spoonbread for some reason....
>>
>>You make it, I'll try it. Just don't make "greens". I've tried them
>>and I still don't like them.
>
>Have you ever had southern style greens with some sort of cured,
>smoked pork in them? Or some other way?
>
Southern style.


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> Wayne Boatwright > dropped this
> 3.184: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> There are a lot of charming folk in Alabama, Michael. You were just
>> very unlucky to have 5 that weren't!
>
> At this point it would take a great deal of convincing me that all
> 'Bammers are not inbred illiterates. I'm usually not this judgemental
> about anyone but my experience last week nearly did me in. I want
> nothing to do with the entire state.
>
> Michael
>
>
>

Your loss, Michael. You're being extreme again. ;-)

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"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
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> "Dave Bugg" > dropped this news:AN9lj.5567$YH6.3873
> @trndny03: in rec.food.cooking
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>> Pete C. wrote:
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>>> ..... RR certainly looks ok,
>>
>> Only if you like the Joker :-0
>> http://tinyurl.com/ysxt5k
>
> I wonder what came of that weird sex scandal over her husband's alleged
> foot fetish...
>
> Michael


I thought I heard something about her husband only once, and I didn't really
hear what was said. Foot fetish? That must've been disappointing for her.
Or maybe a relief, who knows.
Dee Dee

On Jan 21, 4:26*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> Brawny wrote:
>
> > On Jan 21, 1:46 pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> Obviously your readin' comprehension isn't very good since my comments
> do not relate to the article.

YOU HAVE NO REASON TO RESPOND!

Who cares what you think about an article you have no business
responding to.

On Jan 21, 4:28*pm, Christine Dabney > wrote:
> >Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?
>
> No I don't. *Are they good? *

Mamma Dip WROTE the book on southern cooking! Her restaurant is
deserves to be "stood in line" for!

On Jan 21, 5:37*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> Christine Dabney wrote:
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>>
> I guess I haven't watched enough of Ms. Dean to catch those problem

You moron...you can't even spell her name
right.....DEEN....DEEN..........DEEN!

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:26:59 -0800 (PST), Brawny >
wrote:

>On Jan 21, 4:28*pm, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>> >Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?
>>
>> No I don't. *Are they good? *
>
>Mamma Dip WROTE the book on southern cooking! Her restaurant is
>deserves to be "stood in line" for!

Oh, okay. Guess I will have to find her books. Like I need more
cookbooks...but need has nothing to do with this..LOL.

I forgot that I had even more southern cookbooks. I have one by
Joseph E. Dabney (no relationship to me, unless it is very distant)
called Smokehouse Ham, Spoon Bread & Scuppernong Wine. Another one by
Sarah Belk, called Around the Southern Table. And by John Martin
Taylor, The New Southern Cook.

And also the wonderful volume on Southern Cooking from the Time-Life
series Foods of the World. That one was by the author Eugene Walter,
who is mentioned by Edna Lewis in her essay. I was still in nursing
school, or maybe still in high school when that volume came out, and
it opened my eyes beyond the food of my native Richmond, VA.

This is not to try to outdo anyone on having more southern cookbooks,
but just that I am fascinated by the culture and food of the southern
states and I collect the cookbooks and other books about food from
this region.


Christine

On Jan 21, 4:31*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> cybercat wrote:
>
> > "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> I guess


Don't guess....be a man and admit you didn't have a clue!!

On Jan 21, 5:37*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:21:31 -0600, "Pete C." >

> > >in everything cook, not the semi ho-made one producing the truly hideous
>
> I guess I haven't watched enough of Ms. Dean to catch those problem

WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP GUESSING....it becomes obvious you don't know
your butt from a broomstick.

Brawny wrote:
>
> On Jan 21, 4:26 pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> > Brawny wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 21, 1:46 pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> > Obviously your readin' comprehension isn't very good since my comments
> > do not relate to the article.
>
> YOU HAVE NO REASON TO RESPOND!
>
> Who cares what you think about an article you have no business
> responding to.

My, you must have flunked out of elementary school.

Brawny wrote:
>
> On Jan 21, 4:31 pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> > cybercat wrote:
> >
> > > "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> I guess
>
> Don't guess....be a man and admit you didn't have a clue!!

I see you must be one of the regressing inbreds I was referring to. Why
don't you go back to screwing your sister or something?

On Jan 21, 5:44*pm, Christine Dabney > wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:37:14 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> I am watching her right now, and actually what she is doing today
> isn't that bad. *It looks like she is fixing an oxtail stew. *However,
> the okra hoecakes don't look like any hoecakes I have ever had,

Christine...expand your culinary horizons..JUST BECAUSE THE OKRA
HOCAKES DON'T LOOK LIKE ANY YOU HAVE HAD...doesn't mean they don't
exist.

On Jan 21, 8:32*pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> Brawny > dropped this news:62546e1c-eff7-48a8-b8d9-
> : in rec.food.cooking
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> > You moron...you can't even spell her name
> > right.....DEEN....DEEN..........DEEN!
>
> I assume you have never, in your entire life, made a spelling mistake.

Not when it comes to something important. Kind of like spelling
Julie Childe. Jimmie Beardsley...or was it Bearde....or Beady...

Brawny wrote:
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> On Jan 21, 8:32 pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> > Brawny > dropped this news:62546e1c-eff7-48a8-b8d9-
> > : in rec.food.cooking
> >
> > > You moron...you can't even spell her name
> > > right.....DEEN....DEEN..........DEEN!
> >
> > I assume you have never, in your entire life, made a spelling mistake.
>
> Not when it comes to something important. Kind of like spelling
> Julie Childe. Jimmie Beardsley...or was it Bearde....or Beady...

Why would I care how her name is spelled? All that matters is if here
recipes are any good.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:45:55 -0800 (PST), Brawny >
wrote:

>On Jan 21, 5:44*pm, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:37:14 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am watching her right now, and actually what she is doing today
>> isn't that bad. *It looks like she is fixing an oxtail stew. *However,
>> the okra hoecakes don't look like any hoecakes I have ever had,
>
>Christine...expand your culinary horizons..JUST BECAUSE THE OKRA
>HOCAKES DON'T LOOK LIKE ANY YOU HAVE HAD...doesn't mean they don't
>exist.

Oh, I am sure of that...LOL. There is a lot I haven't had...and
probably will never have...

One of the things I grew up with, was something we called wine jelly.
It was like a wine jello...made with a sweet wine and usually served
with a pouring custard on top of it. We had this at Christmas every
year: my very southern grandparents made it. I have never seen it
outside of Richmond, and when I mention it to other southerners, they
have never heard of it.

So I know what you mean...

Christine