Heya folks,

I am up late at night again, reading food blogs. And I just found
this essay...

This is an undiscovered til now essay by the late great Edna
Lewis...sent to Gourmet Magazine and just published. This really
resonates with me, and I post the link here for all you other
southerners and would-be southerners...

http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000...southern_lewis

Christine

On Mon 21 Jan 2008 02:33:57a, Christine Dabney told us...

> Heya folks,
>
> I am up late at night again, reading food blogs. And I just found
> this essay...
>
> This is an undiscovered til now essay by the late great Edna
> Lewis...sent to Gourmet Magazine and just published. This really
> resonates with me, and I post the link here for all you other
> southerners and would-be southerners...
>
> http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000...southern_lewis
>
> Christine
>

That's wonderful, Christine!

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On Mon 21 Jan 2008 06:02:27a, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> Christine Dabney > dropped this
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> Heya folks,
>>
>> I am up late at night again, reading food blogs. And I just found
>> this essay...
>>
>> This is an undiscovered til now essay by the late great Edna
>> Lewis...sent to Gourmet Magazine and just published. This really
>> resonates with me, and I post the link here for all you other
>> southerners and would-be southerners...
>>
>> http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000...southern_lewis
>>
>> Christine
>
> What a charming essay. I very much enjoyed and thank you for sharing.
> It comes at a good time for me, having spent the past week dealing with
> "Southerners" from Alabama. I won't go into detail but the 5 or so people
> I've had to deal with have left a... hmmm... very sour taste in my mouth
> in regards to 'Bammers as being part of the human race.
>
> My aunt an uncle live in Baton Rouge. Louisiana folks are a whole
> different breed than the 'Bammers. I love my stays in Louisiana.
>
> Michael
>
>
>

There are a lot of charming folk in Alabama, Michael. You were just very
unlucky to have 5 that weren't!

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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:02:27 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:
>What a charming essay. I very much enjoyed and thank you for sharing.
>It comes at a good time for me, having spent the past week dealing with
>"Southerners" from Alabama. I won't go into detail but the 5 or so people
>I've had to deal with have left a... hmmm... very sour taste in my mouth
>in regards to 'Bammers as being part of the human race.

I have spent just about my whole life in South Carolina(US), and I
have finally come to realize it's not where you live that makes you
great/ignorant/intelligent/worthless, it's what you make of yourself.
I spent a good ten years changing my accent and my ways so people
wouldn't automatically assume I was stupid just becuase I live here.
It doesn't matter to me anymore, I am great (most of the time) and my
friends(northern and not) love me. Don't paint all "'Bammers" with the
same stroke.
Marie

"Marie" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:02:27 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> > wrote:
>>What a charming essay. I very much enjoyed and thank you for sharing.
>>It comes at a good time for me, having spent the past week dealing with
>>"Southerners" from Alabama. I won't go into detail but the 5 or so people
>>I've had to deal with have left a... hmmm... very sour taste in my mouth
>>in regards to 'Bammers as being part of the human race.
>
> I have spent just about my whole life in South Carolina(US), and I
> have finally come to realize it's not where you live that makes you
> great/ignorant/intelligent/worthless, it's what you make of yourself.
> I spent a good ten years changing my accent and my ways so people
> wouldn't automatically assume I was stupid just becuase I live here.
> It doesn't matter to me anymore, I am great (most of the time) and my
> friends(northern and not) love me. Don't paint all "'Bammers" with the
> same stroke.
> Marie

That was well said. I have found southerners to be among the most gracious,
entertaining, heartwarming people I have ever known. As with every area,
education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
attitudes.

In any case, there is such a thing as regional manner, and it is the
northeastern regional manner that I find repugnant on a regular basis. I
grew up in the northeast.

cybercat wrote:
>
> As with every area,
> education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
> attitudes.

Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in the
south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:33:57 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>Heya folks,
>
>I am up late at night again, reading food blogs. And I just found
>this essay...
>
>This is an undiscovered til now essay by the late great Edna
>Lewis...sent to Gourmet Magazine and just published. This really
>resonates with me, and I post the link here for all you other
>southerners and would-be southerners...
>
>http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000...southern_lewis
>
>Christine

I was up late last night blog hopping also. Before I knew it, it was
1:00 a.m. I had to make myself go to bed.

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cybercat wrote:

> In any case, there is such a thing as regional manner, and it is the
> northeastern regional manner that I find repugnant on a regular basis. I
> grew up in the northeast.


Which explains why you generally comport yourself here like a pig's anus.

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> Heya folks,
>
> I am up late at night again, reading food blogs. And I just found
> this essay...
>
> This is an undiscovered til now essay by the late great Edna
> Lewis...sent to Gourmet Magazine and just published. This really
> resonates with me, and I post the link here for all you other
> southerners and would-be southerners...
>
> http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000...southern_lewis
>
>
I enjoyed that. It occurs to me that a lot of what she points out as
southern
is just like what is northern in the summertime up there, in rural areas.

People who live in the really urban northern areas can forget that there are
still vast rural areas everywhere.

"Sarah Marshall" > wrote in message
...
>
> cybercat wrote:
>
>> In any case, there is such a thing as regional manner, and it is the
>> northeastern regional manner that I find repugnant on a regular basis. I
>> grew up in the northeast.
>
>
> Which explains why you generally comport yourself here like a pig's anus.
>

Wow. You must have intimate knowledge of some very talented pig assholes.
Good for you!

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> cybercat wrote:
>>
>> As with every area,
>> education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
>> attitudes.
>
> Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in the
> south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
> species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
> trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.

Pete, there are royal families like that. Inbreeding is not so much a
product of ignorance or immorality as a product of geography and
economics. It has been found among the very rich and the very poor,
throughout history.

Anyone with knowledge of mountain communities, south and north,
understands the geographical element.

Pete C. wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
>
> > As with every area,
> > education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
> > attitudes.
>
> Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in the
> south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
> species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
> trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.



It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from Maine
to California, from Washington state to Florida.

I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area noozepapers
online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with that
guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
abuse, etc...

But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
"backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least Illannoy
is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection for
gays, etc.

An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he drove
through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was "Christian -
themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even Christian -
themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the truck
stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He is
an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd lived
in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for periods
of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative fundamentalist
culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...

As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was off
the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
1974...

"YMMV", as the auld saying goes...


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cybercat wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > cybercat wrote:
> >>
> >> As with every area,
> >> education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
> >> attitudes.
> >
> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in the
> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
>
> Pete, there are royal families like that.

I didn't say it was exclusive to the US, just that it does indeed exist
in the US.

> Inbreeding is not so much a
> product of ignorance or immorality as a product of geography and
> economics.

I didn't claim that either, I only pointed out the results, regardless
of the initiator. Once initiated for a generation or two, it's also self
sustaining due to it's effects.

> It has been found among the very rich and the very poor,
> throughout history.

I didn't claim otherwise, I only pointed out it's existence in the US.

>
> Anyone with knowledge of mountain communities, south and north,
> understands the geographical element.

The geographical element is really a myth since even small communities
are quite capable of having branching family trees.

Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > cybercat wrote:
> >
> > > As with every area,
> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
> > > attitudes.
> >
> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in the
> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
>
> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from Maine
> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
>
> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area noozepapers
> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with that
> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
> abuse, etc...

That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.

>
> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least Illannoy
> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection for
> gays, etc.
>
> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he drove
> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was "Christian -
> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even Christian -
> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the truck
> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He is
> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd lived
> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for periods
> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative fundamentalist
> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...

Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it naturally
drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better areas,
leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.

>
> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was off
> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
> 1974...

On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.

"Pete C." > wrote
> The geographical element is really a myth since even small communities
> are quite capable of having branching family trees.

I have to disagree with you there, Pete.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:33:57 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>Heya folks,
>
>I am up late at night again, reading food blogs. And I just found
>this essay...
>
>This is an undiscovered til now essay by the late great Edna
>Lewis...sent to Gourmet Magazine and just published. This really
>resonates with me, and I post the link here for all you other
>southerners and would-be southerners...
>
>http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000...southern_lewis
>
Oooo! I found a way to use an herb I love, but only knew one way to
use. Chervil!

Green Peas in Cream
Serves 4 to 6

o Active Time: 35 min
o Start to Finish: 45 min

"Green peas were considered a great delicacy," says Edna Lewis in The
Taste of Country Cooking. "If our peas ripened first, they were
shared with the neighbors and vice versa." Since garden-fresh peas
have become practically impossible to find, we rely on frozen peas for
this classic combination. Serve it, as Miss Lewis would, with
skillet-cooked chicken and biscuits on an evening in late spring.

January 2008

3 cups fresh peas, (shelled from 3 to 6 pounds peas in pods)
or thawed frozen peas (1 pound)
2 tablespoons sugar
1/2 cup heavy cream
2 tablespoons unsalted butter
1 tablespoon finely chopped chervil, chives, or mint

Bring a large heavy saucepan of salted water (4 teaspoons salt for 2
quarts water) to a rolling boil, and then slowly add peas so water
maintains a boil. Stir in sugar and cook peas, uncovered, until
tender, 5 to 12 minutes, depending on size of peas.

Drain peas in a colander.

Boil cream in saucepan until reduced by half, 2 to 3 minutes. Add
butter, peas, 1/4 teaspoon pepper, and salt to taste and cook over
medium heat, stirring, until butter is melted and peas are warmed
through. Stir in chervil.



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cybercat wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote
> > The geographical element is really a myth since even small communities
> > are quite capable of having branching family trees.
>
> I have to disagree with you there, Pete.

It seems to me that whether you are in the evolution or the intelligent
design camp, there is common agreement that all humans originated from a
common ancestor. Given that, I think it's pretty clear that sufficiently
branching family trees can originate from small communities.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:28:54 -0800, sf wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:33:57 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:
>
>>Heya folks,
>>
>>I am up late at night again, reading food blogs. And I just found
>>this essay...
>>
>>This is an undiscovered til now essay by the late great Edna
>>Lewis...sent to Gourmet Magazine and just published. This really
>>resonates with me, and I post the link here for all you other
>>southerners and would-be southerners...
>>
>>http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000...southern_lewis
>>
>Oooo! I found a way to use an herb I love, but only knew one way to
>use. Chervil!
>
>Green Peas in Cream

See!!!!!!!!!!! We will get you cooking southern before you know
it!!!!

Christine, who was just interested in posting this essay about the
glory of southern food and hoping that folks would focus on that.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:30:22 GMT, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>cybercat wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." > wrote
>> > The geographical element is really a myth since even small communities
>> > are quite capable of having branching family trees.
>>
>> I have to disagree with you there, Pete.
>
>It seems to me that whether you are in the evolution or the intelligent
>design camp, there is common agreement that all humans originated from a
>common ancestor. Given that, I think it's pretty clear that sufficiently
>branching family trees can originate from small communities.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah..

But what did you all think about the essay on Southern food?

Christine

Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:30:22 GMT, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >cybercat wrote:
> >>
> >> "Pete C." > wrote
> >> > The geographical element is really a myth since even small communities
> >> > are quite capable of having branching family trees.
> >>
> >> I have to disagree with you there, Pete.
> >
> >It seems to me that whether you are in the evolution or the intelligent
> >design camp, there is common agreement that all humans originated from a
> >common ancestor. Given that, I think it's pretty clear that sufficiently
> >branching family trees can originate from small communities.
>
> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah..
>
> But what did you all think about the essay on Southern food?
>
> Christine

I haven't read it I was only commenting on Michael's remarks about
human sub species.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:56:16 -0600, "chefhelen"
> wrote:


>Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in a
>very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great weather,
>aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there is
>the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>
>
>helen

And how's the food there?

Christine, trying to turn this back to the glories of southern food,
and wishing we would be able to have at least one thread that doesn't
degenerate immediately away from food.

chefhelen wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >>
> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >> > cybercat wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > As with every area,
> >> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
> >> > > attitudes.
> >> >
> >> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in
> >> > the
> >> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
> >> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
> >> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
> >>
> >> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from Maine
> >> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
> >>
> >> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area noozepapers
> >> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
> >> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
> >> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
> >> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with that
> >> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
> >> abuse, etc...
> >
> > That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
> > part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
> > more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
> > issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.
> >
> >>
> >> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
> >> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least Illannoy
> >> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection for
> >> gays, etc.
> >>
> >> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he drove
> >> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
> >> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was "Christian -
> >> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even Christian -
> >> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the truck
> >> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
> >> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
> >> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He is
> >> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
> >> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd lived
> >> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for periods
> >> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative fundamentalist
> >> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...
> >
> > Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it naturally
> > drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better areas,
> > leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.
> >
> >>
> >> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was off
> >> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
> >> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
> >> 1974...
> >
> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
>
> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit right
> in!
>

No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...

>
> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in a
> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great weather,
> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there is
> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>
>
> helen

Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
notably they were also from the Huntsville area.

Christine Dabney wrote:
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:56:16 -0600, "chefhelen"
> > wrote:
>
> >Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in a
> >very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great weather,
> >aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there is
> >the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
> >
> >
> >helen
>
> And how's the food there?
>
> Christine, trying to turn this back to the glories of southern food,
> and wishing we would be able to have at least one thread that doesn't
> degenerate immediately away from food.

It's difficult for the food topic to not shift to other aspects of a
given cuisine's area of origin. I personally love southern food, even
though I have serious issues with some aspects of southern culture. The
same applies to middle easter food.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>
>> > cybercat wrote:
>> >
>> > > As with every area,
>> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
>> > > attitudes.
>> >
>> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in
>> > the
>> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
>> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
>> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
>>
>> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from Maine
>> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
>>
>> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area noozepapers
>> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
>> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
>> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
>> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with that
>> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
>> abuse, etc...
>
> That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
> part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
> more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
> issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.
>
>>
>> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
>> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least Illannoy
>> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection for
>> gays, etc.
>>
>> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he drove
>> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
>> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was "Christian -
>> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even Christian -
>> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the truck
>> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
>> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
>> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He is
>> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
>> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd lived
>> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for periods
>> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative fundamentalist
>> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...
>
> Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it naturally
> drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better areas,
> leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.
>
>>
>> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was off
>> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
>> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
>> 1974...
>
> On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
> routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
> at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
> have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.


Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit right
in!


Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in a
very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great weather,
aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there is
the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!


helen

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:55:29 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:


>It's difficult for the food topic to not shift to other aspects of a
>given cuisine's area of origin. I personally love southern food, even
>though I have serious issues with some aspects of southern culture. The
>same applies to middle easter food.

So, did you read the essay yet? Would be nice to see your comments on
that, instead of drifting immediately. I think it would be easy to
hold to the topic of southern food, instead of letting it drift..

It is the one regional food of this country, to have developed into a
cuisine. Not just Edna Lewis' thoughts, but other scholars of
southern food as well.

Christine

"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:56:16 -0600, "chefhelen"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in a
>>very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great weather,
>>aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there is
>>the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>>
>>
>>helen
>
> And how's the food there?
>
> Christine, trying to turn this back to the glories of southern food,
> and wishing we would be able to have at least one thread that doesn't
> degenerate immediately away from food.


Oh my, it can be wonderful or dreadful! It seems as though some of the
Southern charm has gone by the wayside in favor of boxed (bleah) and canned
(BLEAH - canned asparagus is an ABOMINATION!) products, there are still
folks who can cook. When they can cook, they cook very well.

Our best friends had us over for dinner the other night and we had the BEST
Southern fried pork chops on earth with cream gravy made in the pan
afterwards, creamed potatoes, the best cole slaw that I've ever had, roasted
asparagus and one year old wedding cake that I had made last year!

All in all, a fabulous meal with fabulous friends!

OH! And fresh strawberries that had been kissed with Gran Mariner to go
over the top of that one year old wedding cake!

helen

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> chefhelen wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Pete C. wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > cybercat wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > As with every area,
>> >> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior
>> >> > > and
>> >> > > attitudes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in
>> >> > the
>> >> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive
>> >> > sub
>> >> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the
>> >> > family
>> >> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
>> >>
>> >> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from Maine
>> >> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
>> >>
>> >> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area noozepapers
>> >> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
>> >> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
>> >> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
>> >> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with that
>> >> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
>> >> abuse, etc...
>> >
>> > That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
>> > part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
>> > more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
>> > issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
>> >> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least Illannoy
>> >> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection for
>> >> gays, etc.
>> >>
>> >> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he drove
>> >> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
>> >> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was "Christian -
>> >> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even Christian -
>> >> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the truck
>> >> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
>> >> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
>> >> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He is
>> >> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
>> >> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd lived
>> >> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for periods
>> >> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative fundamentalist
>> >> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...
>> >
>> > Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it naturally
>> > drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better
>> > areas,
>> > leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was off
>> >> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
>> >> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
>> >> 1974...
>> >
>> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
>> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
>> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
>> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
>>
>> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit
>> right
>> in!
>>
>
> No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
> happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...


I'm a displaced yankee and I can assure you that they *have* stopped
shooting at us!

>
>>
>> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in
>> a
>> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great
>> weather,
>> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there
>> is
>> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>>
>>
>> helen
>
> Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
> in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
> notably they were also from the Huntsville area.

Huntsville isn't really like anywhere else in Alabama. From what I
understand we have the highest per capita income in the SE, and the second
highest number of PhDs.

This is propaganda from the Chamber of Commerce tho!

OB food - Having some friends over tomorrow for roasted chicken. Costco had
the two packs BOGOF so I now have 4 sitting in my fridge. I can't fry them
for beans but I do roast them well.


helen

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> cybercat wrote:
>>
>> As with every area,
>> education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
>> attitudes.
>
> Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in the
> south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
> species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
> trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:31:42 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>Christine, who was just interested in posting this essay about the
>glory of southern food and hoping that folks would focus on that.

Focus? Whazzat? You should know me better than that by this time.
Give me something with lots of interesting (to me) links and I'm off!



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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:38:19 -0800, sf wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:31:42 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:
>
>>Christine, who was just interested in posting this essay about the
>>glory of southern food and hoping that folks would focus on that.
>
>Focus? Whazzat? You should know me better than that by this time.
>Give me something with lots of interesting (to me) links and I'm off!
>
>

Well, at least your's was food related!!

You gonna try some southern food now? I will bring my southern
cookbooks with me, and indoctrinate you into Southern cuisine, if I
get there.
Alta Bates is out, but I have just been submitted to O'Connor hospital
in San Jose. Ranger says that is close to where he lives..and I have
promised to bring him NM green chiles if I get there.

Christine

chefhelen wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > chefhelen wrote:
> >>
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Pete C. wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > cybercat wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > As with every area,
> >> >> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior
> >> >> > > and
> >> >> > > attitudes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive
> >> >> > sub
> >> >> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the
> >> >> > family
> >> >> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from Maine
> >> >> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
> >> >>
> >> >> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area noozepapers
> >> >> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
> >> >> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
> >> >> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
> >> >> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with that
> >> >> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
> >> >> abuse, etc...
> >> >
> >> > That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
> >> > part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
> >> > more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
> >> > issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
> >> >> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least Illannoy
> >> >> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection for
> >> >> gays, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he drove
> >> >> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
> >> >> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was "Christian -
> >> >> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even Christian -
> >> >> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the truck
> >> >> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
> >> >> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
> >> >> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He is
> >> >> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
> >> >> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd lived
> >> >> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for periods
> >> >> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative fundamentalist
> >> >> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...
> >> >
> >> > Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it naturally
> >> > drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better
> >> > areas,
> >> > leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was off
> >> >> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
> >> >> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
> >> >> 1974...
> >> >
> >> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups and
> >> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went through
> >> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I don't
> >> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
> >>
> >> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit
> >> right
> >> in!
> >>
> >
> > No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
> > happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...
>
> I'm a displaced yankee and I can assure you that they *have* stopped
> shooting at us!

This may be true, but the impression folks in the northeast have of
Alabama hasn't improved so we try not to take unnecessary chances.

>
> >
> >>
> >> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live in
> >> a
> >> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great
> >> weather,
> >> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok, there
> >> is
> >> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
> >>
> >>
> >> helen
> >
> > Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
> > in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
> > notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
>
> Huntsville isn't really like anywhere else in Alabama. From what I
> understand we have the highest per capita income in the SE, and the second
> highest number of PhDs.
>
> This is propaganda from the Chamber of Commerce tho!

I have no doubt that is true, and I expect a large percentage are
imports from other states and countries as is the case in a lot of the
southern states.

>
> OB food - Having some friends over tomorrow for roasted chicken. Costco had
> the two packs BOGOF so I now have 4 sitting in my fridge. I can't fry them
> for beans but I do roast them well.
>
>
> helen

I'm about to start working on some test batches of my "Damned (ex)
Yankee" chili for an upcoming informal competition.

"Dee.Dee" wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
> > cybercat wrote:
> >>
> >> As with every area,
> >> education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
> >> attitudes.
> >
> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in the
> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.

Um, did you have a comment?

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:02:27 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>What a charming essay. I very much enjoyed and thank you for sharing.
>It comes at a good time for me, having spent the past week dealing with
>"Southerners" from Alabama.

Michael, I'm from Alabama and I'm sad that you met with some
unpleasant people. I'm so proud of my home state and I want everyone
to feel welcomed by Alabama and her people.

Edna Lewis' essay was very moving. I grew up in a very rural
environment in Appalachian Alabama. This part of the essay was
lovely:

"Living in a rural setting is inspiring: Birds, the quiet, flowers,
trees, gardens, fields, music, love, sunshine, rain, and the smells of
the earth all play a part in the world of creativity."

Southern food and cooking has so much to do with family, history,
sharing, and connections to the land.

Tara

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:43:00 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>You gonna try some southern food now? I will bring my southern
>cookbooks with me, and indoctrinate you into Southern cuisine, if I
>get there.

Have you read any of Ronni Lundy's Southern cookbooks? I think you
would enjoy them.

Tara

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:38:11 -0500, Tara >
wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:43:00 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:
>
>>You gonna try some southern food now? I will bring my southern
>>cookbooks with me, and indoctrinate you into Southern cuisine, if I
>>get there.
>
>Have you read any of Ronni Lundy's Southern cookbooks? I think you
>would enjoy them.
>
>Tara

Yes, I have those. I like them very, very much.

I have books by Damon Lee Fowler, by James Villas, by Bill Neal, by
the Lee Brothers, and I forget who else. Oh, and Edna Lewis. LOL.
The first book I got of hers was The Taste of Country Cooking, and I
then proceeded to collect all of her books over the years.

My collection of books on Southern food encompass 1 1/2 bookshelves,
and I still collect more. Even though I grew up in Virginia and know
a lot of what Edna Lewis talks about, I still want to and can learn
more about the regional cooking of the South. It is my heritage, and
I am proud of it. This essay of Edna Lewis speaks to me about the
wonder of southern food, and the culture from which it came.

Yes some of the southern food that has emerged is awful and not really
a good representation of how good it can be. Paula Deen is an example
of this, to my mind. When I compare the food/cooking of Paula Deen
and that of Edna Lewis, there is just no comparison. Edna Lewis and
her expression of Southern food is miles beyond Paula Deen, at least
to me.

Christine

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> "Dee.Dee" wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > cybercat wrote:
>> >>
>> >> As with every area,
>> >> education level and economic status has a lot to do with behavior and
>> >> attitudes.
>> >
>> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly in
>> > the
>> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a regressive sub
>> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the family
>> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
>
> Um, did you have a comment?

Dee doesn't like you talking like that about her kin.

On Jan 21, 1:46*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> I haven't read it I was only commenting on Michael's remarks

I would suggest you do homework, read the article then you are
QUALIFIED to make comments.

Gawd.........................until then....your pompous blather is
worthless.

and I meant that in the nicest way, darlin'

"Pete C." > wrote in message
...
> chefhelen wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > chefhelen wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Pete C. wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > cybercat wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > As with every area,
>> >> >> > > education level and economic status has a lot to do with
>> >> >> > > behavior
>> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > > attitudes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Absolutely, but PC or not, there are areas that are predominantly
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > south, but not exclusively, where there is effectively a
>> >> >> > regressive
>> >> >> > sub
>> >> >> > species of human developing due to the lack of branches in the
>> >> >> > family
>> >> >> > trees. This is biological fact, not any sort of prejudice.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's not the South, it's poorer US rural areas in general, from
>> >> >> Maine
>> >> >> to California, from Washington state to Florida.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I grew up in west central Illannoy, when I read the area
>> >> >> noozepapers
>> >> >> online I see the very same family names committing the same trashy
>> >> >> stuff they were doing 40 years ago. LOTS of meth busts, whole
>> >> >> extended families making meth in fact. On the state sex offender
>> >> >> registry site I see their mugs and go, "Ah, I went to school with
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> guy's parents, they were pervs too...". Loads of DUI's, domestic
>> >> >> abuse, etc...
>> >> >
>> >> > That is a function of the education and economic status for the most
>> >> > part. Bad behaving parents produce bad behaving children who produce
>> >> > more bad behaving children. I was addressing the human sub species
>> >> > issue, not all bad behavior and ignorance.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But socio - politically speaking, there do seem to be some
>> >> >> "backwaters", e.g. parts of Kansas, Missouri, etc. At least
>> >> >> Illannoy
>> >> >> is a blue state (Chicago helps), we've got stuff like protection
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> gays, etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> An anecdote: A good friend recently moved from DC to Denver, he
>> >> >> drove
>> >> >> through Kansas and had to call me several times as he traversed the
>> >> >> state, excitedly telling me about all the stuff that was
>> >> >> "Christian -
>> >> >> themed" and redneck - ish. He'd say, "God, there are even
>> >> >> Christian -
>> >> >> themed MOTELS in this place...!!! There are bible verses on the
>> >> >> truck
>> >> >> stop menus...!!! A waitress asked me what CHURCH I went to...!!!
>> >> >> There are anti - abortion messages on the SUGAR PACKETS...!!!". I
>> >> >> said, "Hey, settle down, you're just passing through, lol...". He
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> an East Coast urban guy, *** and Jewish and very well - travelled/
>> >> >> educated. But he'd never seen anything like Kansas - and he'd
>> >> >> lived
>> >> >> in both St. Louis and Virginia (Alexandria, suburban DC) for
>> >> >> periods
>> >> >> of years. Maybe what got him was that the conservative
>> >> >> fundamentalist
>> >> >> culture that he encountered was *all* that was there in Kansas...
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, when the tornados and dustbowl wipe everything out, it
>> >> > naturally
>> >> > drives the intelligent, educated population to relocate to better
>> >> > areas,
>> >> > leaving a concentration of the ignorant and superstitious.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As for myself, the only time I really felt scared in my life was
>> >> >> off
>> >> >> the interstate in rural Georgia to fill up my car whilst passing
>> >> >> through. They did NOT like Yankee hippies (I had long hair) in
>> >> >> 1974...
>> >> >
>> >> > On one cross country trip, I specifically planed my fuel fill ups
>> >> > and
>> >> > routes to eliminate any stops on my way through Alabama. I went
>> >> > through
>> >> > at 4am, never leaving the major highways, and this was in 2004, I
>> >> > don't
>> >> > have long hair and I drive a crew cab dually pickup too.
>> >>
>> >> Was this your attempt to be stealthy? You sound as though you'd fit
>> >> right
>> >> in!
>> >>
>> >
>> > No, actually it was the same truck I drove when I lived in CT. I was
>> > happy I no longer had CT plates on it of course...
>>
>> I'm a displaced yankee and I can assure you that they *have* stopped
>> shooting at us!
>
> This may be true, but the impression folks in the northeast have of
> Alabama hasn't improved so we try not to take unnecessary chances.
>


Hell, I know around our area it's a really interesting blend of folks from
all over the world so if you're close to here you can let your guard down a
bit. If they shot everyone who "talks funny" they wouldn't have any
industry here!


>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Happy to be in Huntsville, Alabama. We have a 15 minute commute, live
>> >> in
>> >> a
>> >> very nice area where the cost of living is reasonable, have great
>> >> weather,
>> >> aside from the occasional cold snap, and have great friends. Ok,
>> >> there
>> >> is
>> >> the fact that it's a red state but I'm working on changing that!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> helen
>> >
>> > Yep, certainly didn't mean to imply that there was no intelligent life
>> > in Alabama. I've worked with a few intelligent folks from Alabama, and
>> > notably they were also from the Huntsville area.
>>
>> Huntsville isn't really like anywhere else in Alabama. From what I
>> understand we have the highest per capita income in the SE, and the
>> second
>> highest number of PhDs.
>>
>> This is propaganda from the Chamber of Commerce tho!
>
> I have no doubt that is true, and I expect a large percentage are
> imports from other states and countries as is the case in a lot of the
> southern states.
>


Very true. My hub and I went out to dinner last night with some of the
other folks from his company. 2 Indians, 3 Polish folks, 2 Dutch guys and 4
of us regular Heinz Americans, 2 of whom are Southern. We went to a Thai
restaurant that also serves sushi so we were kind of all over the globe.

>>
>> OB food - Having some friends over tomorrow for roasted chicken. Costco
>> had
>> the two packs BOGOF so I now have 4 sitting in my fridge. I can't fry
>> them
>> for beans but I do roast them well.
>>
>>
>> helen
>
> I'm about to start working on some test batches of my "Damned (ex)
> Yankee" chili for an upcoming informal competition.


Red, green or white? With what I think I'll have leftover tomorrow I think
I'll make some white chili. Good stuff Maynard!


helen

"Christine Dabney" > wrote
>
> Yes, I have those. I like them very, very much.
>
> I have books by Damon Lee Fowler, by James Villas, by Bill Neal, by
> the Lee Brothers, and I forget who else. Oh, and Edna Lewis. LOL.
> The first book I got of hers was The Taste of Country Cooking, and I
> then proceeded to collect all of her books over the years.
>
> My collection of books on Southern food encompass 1 1/2 bookshelves,
> and I still collect more. Even though I grew up in Virginia and know
> a lot of what Edna Lewis talks about, I still want to and can learn
> more about the regional cooking of the South. It is my heritage, and
> I am proud of it. This essay of Edna Lewis speaks to me about the
> wonder of southern food, and the culture from which it came.
>
> Yes some of the southern food that has emerged is awful and not really
> a good representation of how good it can be. Paula Deen is an example
> of this, to my mind. When I compare the food/cooking of Paula Deen
> and that of Edna Lewis, there is just no comparison. Edna Lewis and
> her expression of Southern food is miles beyond Paula Deen, at least
> to me.
>

Do you have Mama Dip's books among your collection?

Brawny wrote:
>
> On Jan 21, 1:46 pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> >
> > I haven't read it I was only commenting on Michael's remarks
>
> I would suggest you do homework, read the article then you are
> QUALIFIED to make comments.
>
> Gawd.........................until then....your pompous blather is
> worthless.
>
> and I meant that in the nicest way, darlin'

Obviously your readin' comprehension isn't very good since my comments
do not relate to the article.