sf wrote:

>> I was wondering how that microwave/hood works out for you over the
>> stovetop? Do you like it? When we re-do our kitchen I'd like that so
>> that it frees up counter space, yet can't stand feeling "closed in" over
>> large pots or pots on the rear burners. I like to be able to see down
>> into large pots as they simmer away.
>
> I would *never* put a built in microwave/fan/filter over my stove. I
> want strong ventilation that vents to the outside.
>
I have the pipe in now venting outside via the small inadequte vent
hood, so I imagine it would just be a matter of dropping a
microwave/range hood into the spot?? Or isn't it...?

"Goomba38" wrote in message news:ZMadnWF2p-> Chris Marksberry wrote:
>
>> I love my control placement. It was one of the reasons I picked out this
>> cooktop. Of course now it's been discontinued, but something similar is
>> still available.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yu6j8o
>
> I was wondering how that microwave/hood works out for you over the
> stovetop? Do you like it? When we re-do our kitchen I'd like that so that
> it frees up counter space, yet can't stand feeling "closed in" over large
> pots or pots on the rear burners. I like to be able to see down into large
> pots as they simmer away.

For me it works out just fine. There's quite a bit of space between the
cooktop and the microwave hood (which is vented to the outside BTW, not the
attic).

I usually use the right front burner for larger pots through because that
one has the most BTU's. Seeing the pots on back burners is no problem
though.

One of thing I don't like about it (and that's my problem) is that I'm only
a little over 5' tall and putting a large casserole in the microwave can be
challenging and I don't like being dependant on my husband to do it for me!

<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:35:07 -0500, Goomba38 >
> wrote:
>
>>Chris Marksberry wrote:
>>
>>> I love my control placement. It was one of the reasons I picked out
>>> this
>>> cooktop. Of course now it's been discontinued, but something similar is
>>> still available.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yu6j8o
>>
>>I was wondering how that microwave/hood works out for you over the
>>stovetop? Do you like it? When we re-do our kitchen I'd like that so
>>that it frees up counter space, yet can't stand feeling "closed in" over
>>large pots or pots on the rear burners. I like to be able to see down
>>into large pots as they simmer away.
>
> I would *never* put a built in microwave/fan/filter over my stove. I
> want strong ventilation that vents to the outside.
>

When we installed one last fall, I bought the most powerful I could for the
place of installation. And it vents to the outside.
It also has filters which tell me when to clean. This feature works well;
the light went on today for cleaning; and each time the filters aren't very
dirty at all. In fact, DH says they are not dirty, but I wash them anyway.

There are standards as to height of installation over the cooktop. If
venting hoods have standards for not having too high over the cooktop, I
would suppose there would be standards for a microwave hood being not too
far away from the cooktop, as well as not being too close.

I would check to see if these suggested proper measurements would fit into
my configuration.

Dee Dee

On Sun 10 Feb 2008 08:26:54p, told us...

> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:35:07 -0500, Goomba38 >
> wrote:
>
>>Chris Marksberry wrote:
>>
>>> I love my control placement. It was one of the reasons I picked out
>>> this cooktop. Of course now it's been discontinued, but something
>>> similar is still available.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yu6j8o
>>
>>I was wondering how that microwave/hood works out for you over the
>>stovetop? Do you like it? When we re-do our kitchen I'd like that so
>>that it frees up counter space, yet can't stand feeling "closed in" over
>>large pots or pots on the rear burners. I like to be able to see down
>>into large pots as they simmer away.
>
> I would *never* put a built in microwave/fan/filter over my stove. I
> want strong ventilation that vents to the outside.
>

I've had one over my range in the last three houses. Thing is, I don't
ever fry inside the house, so the only thing I need ventilation for is
steam/vapor. Mine does vent to the outside. Most have this option, but
many installers take a shortcut by using the recirculate option.

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On Sun 10 Feb 2008 08:30:23p, Goomba38 told us...

> sf wrote:
>
>>> I was wondering how that microwave/hood works out for you over the
>>> stovetop? Do you like it? When we re-do our kitchen I'd like that so
>>> that it frees up counter space, yet can't stand feeling "closed in"
over
>>> large pots or pots on the rear burners. I like to be able to see down
>>> into large pots as they simmer away.
>>
>> I would *never* put a built in microwave/fan/filter over my stove. I
>> want strong ventilation that vents to the outside.
>>
> I have the pipe in now venting outside via the small inadequte vent
> hood, so I imagine it would just be a matter of dropping a
> microwave/range hood into the spot?? Or isn't it...?
>

That's pretty much it. Our first one was a replacement for a plain fan
hood. The change was easy.

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<sf> wrote in message
>
> I would *never* put a built in microwave/fan/filter over my stove. I
> want strong ventilation that vents to the outside.
>

Good for you. Some have little choice. Mine vents outside but is not as
strong as a good vent hood. OTOH, I have no other practical place for a MW
so there it sits, over the range.

On Sun 10 Feb 2008 08:33:24p, Dee.Dee told us...

>
> <sf> wrote in message ...
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:35:07 -0500, Goomba38 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Chris Marksberry wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love my control placement. It was one of the reasons I picked out
>>>> this cooktop. Of course now it's been discontinued, but something
>>>> similar is still available.
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yu6j8o
>>>
>>>I was wondering how that microwave/hood works out for you over the
>>>stovetop? Do you like it? When we re-do our kitchen I'd like that so
>>>that it frees up counter space, yet can't stand feeling "closed in"
>>>over large pots or pots on the rear burners. I like to be able to see
>>>down into large pots as they simmer away.
>>
>> I would *never* put a built in microwave/fan/filter over my stove. I
>> want strong ventilation that vents to the outside.
>>
>
> When we installed one last fall, I bought the most powerful I could for
> the place of installation. And it vents to the outside.
> It also has filters which tell me when to clean. This feature works
> well; the light went on today for cleaning; and each time the filters
> aren't very dirty at all. In fact, DH says they are not dirty, but I
> wash them anyway.
>
> There are standards as to height of installation over the cooktop. If
> venting hoods have standards for not having too high over the cooktop,
> I would suppose there would be standards for a microwave hood being not
> too far away from the cooktop, as well as not being too close.
>
> I would check to see if these suggested proper measurements would fit
> into my configuration.
>
> Dee Dee
>
>
>

All good points, Dee.

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:21:00 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>I understand why they're where they are; I taught my kids to not mess
>with the stove controls. The more I think about it, I'm not sure I'd
>want a young cook with not a lot of experience at a hot stove to be
>reaching to the back to adjust things. The industry doesn't give a rip
>what I think, though. :-) Can't blame them.

Think 2 year olds, fiddling with the dials that mommy uses. It
happens. The main argument is against front dial designs like Wolf
has, where dials are on the vertical surface.
http://picasaweb.google.com/asaif10/...36177236474674

The dials on my own cooktop are at the front, but they are on the
horizontal surface. I don't like reaching to the back either.


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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:30:23 -0500, Goomba38 >
wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>>> I was wondering how that microwave/hood works out for you over the
>>> stovetop? Do you like it? When we re-do our kitchen I'd like that so
>>> that it frees up counter space, yet can't stand feeling "closed in" over
>>> large pots or pots on the rear burners. I like to be able to see down
>>> into large pots as they simmer away.
>>
>> I would *never* put a built in microwave/fan/filter over my stove. I
>> want strong ventilation that vents to the outside.
>>
>I have the pipe in now venting outside via the small inadequte vent
>hood, so I imagine it would just be a matter of dropping a
>microwave/range hood into the spot?? Or isn't it...?

Has the basic design for the unit you're talking about changed
radically or do you just want a puny fan that doesn't vent outside?

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:33:24 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote:

>When we installed one last fall, I bought the most powerful I could for the
>place of installation. And it vents to the outside.

Ah, times have changed. The last time I considered one of those
units, outside ventilation wasn't an option. What is the air movement
in CFM's?

Thanks

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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:33:24 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
> wrote:
>
>>When we installed one last fall, I bought the most powerful I could for
>>the
>>place of installation. And it vents to the outside.
>
> Ah, times have changed. The last time I considered one of those
> units, outside ventilation wasn't an option. What is the air movement
> in CFM's?
>
> Thanks
>


http://www.broan.com/ImageLibrary/br...s/99043473.pdf

I bought Q3, in stainless.
Dee Dee

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:19:56 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote:

>
><sf> wrote in message ...
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:33:24 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>When we installed one last fall, I bought the most powerful I could for
>>>the place of installation. And it vents to the outside.
>>
>> Ah, times have changed. The last time I considered one of those
>> units, outside ventilation wasn't an option. What is the air movement
>> in CFM's?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
>
>http://www.broan.com/ImageLibrary/br...s/99043473.pdf
>
>I bought Q3, in stainless.
>Dee Dee
>
Thanks. Where's the microwave part?

Here's my hood.... http://www.ventahood.com/hoodmodels.jsp?id=2
Halogen lights, second option for 48" (each opt. is another fan). I
didn't have to reconfigure the cabinets although I did lose a little
storage space inside the overhead cabinets due to the increase in the
size of the duct.

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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:19:56 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>><sf> wrote in message ...
>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:33:24 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>When we installed one last fall, I bought the most powerful I could for
>>>>the place of installation. And it vents to the outside.
>>>
>>> Ah, times have changed. The last time I considered one of those
>>> units, outside ventilation wasn't an option. What is the air movement
>>> in CFM's?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.broan.com/ImageLibrary/br...s/99043473.pdf
>>
>>I bought Q3, in stainless.
>>Dee Dee
>>
> Thanks. Where's the microwave part?
>
> Here's my hood.... http://www.ventahood.com/hoodmodels.jsp?id=2
> Halogen lights, second option for 48" (each opt. is another fan). I
> didn't have to reconfigure the cabinets although I did lose a little
> storage space inside the overhead cabinets due to the increase in the
> size of the duct.
>
> --


I guess there is a misunderstanding. I don't use a microwave over the range.
Hood vent, only.
Dee Dee

Sheldon wrote:
> The 1979 harvest gold Kenmore electric range in my rental house was
> invaded by nesting creatures. When the oven was turned on after four
> years of non use it stunk like the worst bbq ever... was long past due
> for replacement anyway.
>
> Ordered this:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2be8tb

FWIW, I would say it's more than big enough for a single person (as you
mentioned somewhere else in this thread) or a small family for that
matter. I've been using one the same size for almost 5 years, except the
4 burners on mine are "solid" and it has the top "grill" element in the
oven that can be used when needed. I would have preferred the "coil"
type burners - as IMHO they give you better heat control - but the stove
came with the house and was in very good condition. I suppose I could
change the burners but I am used to them now... BTW, I have no trouble
fitting the Christmas Turkey in the oven either (which feeds 5 of us and
we still have plenty leftovers) - but then I don't buy twenty-four
pounders . Oh, mine has 3 racks in the oven, and it has a rotisserie
attachment that you can hook up in the oven as well - we did a duck on
it one time - turned out really well.

As for the controls being at the back, I'm used to it - that design was
popular for years - and I still see plenty new models that still have
them like that 'round here too <shrug>. I am sure your tenant will be
quite happy with her new stove - GE is a pretty good brand and should
last for quite a while.
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"Chris Marksberry" wrote:
>
> One of thing I don't like about it (and that's my problem) is that
> I'm only a little over 5' tall and putting a large casserole in the
> microwave can be challenging and I don't like being dependant
> on my husband to do it for me!

Nah, I ain't gonna say it.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message 4>
> from Wayne Boatwright > contains these words:
>
>> Yes, I knew that about electric stoves in the UK and Europe. Back mounted
>> controls on electric ranges in the US began to emerge in the the late 1930s
>> and have remained commonplace on the free-standing models ever since.
>
> We had them here, I bought one in the 60's (it also had coil rings).
> But you never see them on anything made in the last 20 years.
>
>> Another major difference is the use of open coils on the cooktop burners.
>> These have always been the "norm" in the US until the emergence of glass
>> top cooktops. If I'm not mistaken, the "norm" in most of the world is a
>> solid cast iron element for each burner.
>
> Not in the UK. My 60's cooker had coils :-) Both coils and solid cast
> iron plates are still widely available here on cheaper new, freestanding
> electric stoves. The more recently introduced glasstops are now equally
> common and probably overtaking them in popularity.

The separate glass covered cook tops (aka hobs) with a separate oven
either wall mounted or under the counter are much more popular here too
now (RSA)... but how often does one buy a new hob and oven and/or a
standalone stove? I haven't done any serious 'stove shopping' in years -
like I said in another post my current stove came with the house. I
guesstimate that mine must be about 10 or 12 years old and it still
works just fine. However, with the recent 'rolling power blackouts' that
have been going on 'round here lately, I have been sorely tempted to
invest in a decent gas cooker - but I've heard that most of them have
built-in electric starters for the gas burners anyway, so it kind of
defeats the object (if that's the case)... Plus the fact that I'd have
to re-do the whole damn kitchen to accommodate the gas pipes/cylinders
etc. Sigh.
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On Feb 11, 4:48�am, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > The 1979 harvest gold Kenmore electric range in my rental house was
> > invaded by nesting creatures. �When the oven was turned on after four
> > years of non use it stunk like the worst bbq ever... was long past due
> > for replacement anyway.
>
> > Ordered this:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2be8tb
>
> FWIW, I would say it's more than big enough for a single person (as you
> mentioned somewhere else in this thread) or a small family for that
> matter. I've been using one the same size for almost 5 years, except the
> 4 burners on mine are "solid" and it has the top "grill" element in the
> oven that can be used when needed. �I would have preferred the "coil"
> type burners - as IMHO they give you better heat control - but the stove
> came with the house and was in very good condition. I suppose I could
> change the burners but I am used to them now... � BTW, I have no trouble
> fitting the Christmas Turkey in the oven either (which feeds 5 of us and
> we still have plenty leftovers) - but then I don't buy twenty-four
> pounders . Oh, mine has 3 racks in the oven, and it has a rotisserie
> attachment that you can hook up in the oven as well - we did a duck on
> it one time - turned out really well.
>
> As for the controls being at the back, I'm used to it - that design was
> popular for years - and I still see plenty new models that still have
> them like that 'round here too <shrug>. I am sure your tenant will be
> quite happy with her new stove - GE is a pretty good brand and should
> last for quite a while.

The old stove worked but it smelled weird when the oven was lit. I
could have removed the back panel to see what could be living in the
insulation and remove it but even then I doubt the smell of dead mouse
would dissipate anytime soon. The rental house was unoccupied for
more than four years and I know that critters were living in there as
when I would enter I could hear them scampering in the walls/attic.
When I pulled the old stove out to look behind and underneath it was
obvious that the opening in the wall for the wire was large enough for
a mouse to easily fit through (already plugged that with steel wool).

I got the new stove because I want my new tenant to stay, she has a
job, and she has a nice cherry red Kitchen Aid mixer on the counter,
so I suspect I might be getting lots of cookies.

Sheldon wrote:

>
> The old stove worked but it smelled weird when the oven was lit. I
> could have removed the back panel to see what could be living in the
> insulation and remove it but even then I doubt the smell of dead mouse
> would dissipate anytime soon. The rental house was unoccupied for
> more than four years and I know that critters were living in there as
> when I would enter I could hear them scampering in the walls/attic.
> When I pulled the old stove out to look behind and underneath it was
> obvious that the opening in the wall for the wire was large enough for
> a mouse to easily fit through (already plugged that with steel wool).
>
> I got the new stove because I want my new tenant to stay, she has a
> job, and she has a nice cherry red Kitchen Aid mixer on the counter,
> so I suspect I might be getting lots of cookies.
>
Heh. Maybe you'll get lucky <veg>.
You did The Right Thing, IMHO. Not many landlords would give a damn, and
some would have just "got it working" and not worried about the "stink"
etc.... This way, she gets a new stove and you get a happy tenant.
Win-win situation.
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ChattyCathy wrote:
>
> like I said in another post my current stove came with the house. �I
> guesstimate that mine must be about 10 or 12 years old and it still
> works just fine. However, with the recent 'rolling power blackouts' that
> have been going on 'round here lately, I have been sorely tempted to
> invest in a decent gas cooker - but I've heard that most of them have
> built-in electric starters for the gas burners anyway, so it kind of
> defeats the object (if that's the case)...

The pzieoelectric igniters create a spark for lighting the burners so
during a power outage you can do the same with a match... only the
oven won't light, for safety reasons the the oven gas valve is
operated by an electric solenoid. So you can still cook on the stove
top without electric.

Plus the fact that I'd have
> to re-do the whole damn kitchen to accommodate the gas pipes/cylinders
> etc. Sigh.

The propane tank would be outside, the new fiberglass tanks can be
buried in the ground so you won't even know it's there except when the
tanker truck arrives for refilling a couple times a year. The propane
is piped in with flexible tubing, which can easily be snaked through
small openings and around corners, as easily as electrical wiring, so
there's no kitchen alteration whatsoever. The trick is to locate the
tank so it can also supply your outdoor grill, does away with having
to constantly refill those silly little bottles, plus bulk propane
costs much less.

Sheldon wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> like I said in another post my current stove came with the house. �I
>> guesstimate that mine must be about 10 or 12 years old and it still
>> works just fine. However, with the recent 'rolling power blackouts' that
>> have been going on 'round here lately, I have been sorely tempted to
>> invest in a decent gas cooker - but I've heard that most of them have
>> built-in electric starters for the gas burners anyway, so it kind of
>> defeats the object (if that's the case)...
>
> The pzieoelectric igniters create a spark for lighting the burners so
> during a power outage you can do the same with a match... only the
> oven won't light, for safety reasons the the oven gas valve is
> operated by an electric solenoid. So you can still cook on the stove
> top without electric.

Ah. That's OK then. As long as I have use of the stove-top I can live
without the oven for a while..
>
> Plus the fact that I'd have
>> to re-do the whole damn kitchen to accommodate the gas pipes/cylinders
>> etc. Sigh.
>
> The propane tank would be outside, the new fiberglass tanks can be
> buried in the ground so you won't even know it's there except when the
> tanker truck arrives for refilling a couple times a year. The propane
> is piped in with flexible tubing, which can easily be snaked through
> small openings and around corners, as easily as electrical wiring, so
> there's no kitchen alteration whatsoever. The trick is to locate the
> tank so it can also supply your outdoor grill, does away with having
> to constantly refill those silly little bottles, plus bulk propane
> costs much less.

I'll look into it. Thanks.
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ChattyCathy wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > ChattyCathy wrote:
> >> like I said in another post my current stove came with the house. �I
> >> guesstimate that mine must be about 10 or 12 years old and it still
> >> works just fine. However, with the recent 'rolling power blackouts' that
> >> have been going on 'round here lately, I have been sorely tempted to
> >> invest in a decent gas cooker - but I've heard that most of them have
> >> built-in electric starters for the gas burners anyway, so it kind of
> >> defeats the object (if that's the case)...
>
> > The pzieoelectric igniters create a spark for lighting the burners so
> > during a power outage you can do the same with a match... only the
> > oven won't light, for safety reasons the the oven gas valve is
> > operated by an electric solenoid. Â*So you can still cook on the stove
> > top without electric.
>
> Ah. That's OK then. As long as I have use of the stove-top I can live
> without the oven for a while..
>
>
>
> > Plus the fact that I'd have
> >> to re-do the whole damn kitchen to accommodate the gas pipes/cylinders
> >> etc. Sigh.
>
> > The propane tank would be outside, the new fiberglass tanks can be
> > buried in the ground so you won't even know it's there except when the
> > tanker truck arrives for refilling a couple times a year. Â*The propane
> > is piped in with flexible tubing, which can easily be snaked through
> > small openings and around corners, as easily as electrical wiring, so
> > there's no kitchen alteration whatsoever. Â*The trick is to locate the
> > tank so it can also supply your outdoor grill, does away with having
> > to constantly refill those silly little bottles, plus bulk propane
> > costs much less.
>
> I'll look into it. Thanks.

Now you're cooking... let us know what you find out... shop a few
different propane suppliers (if you have a choice), they offer
different deals on the installation, many will supply the equipment
and labor for free if you use enough gas... so if you do a lot of
outdoor grilling connecting that would be a good incentive for the
propane company to give you free installation.

On Feb 11, 10:11�am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> ChattyCathy > dropped :in rec.food.cooking
>
> > Plus
> > the fact that I'd have to re-do the whole damn kitchen to accommodate
> > the gas pipes/cylinders etc. Sigh.
>
> I checked into converting to gas during the estimates of the kitchen redo.
> I don't want to spend the money. �

Someone who can't cook a lick thinks nothing of spending $100,000 to
have a show-off designer kitchen (and $4,000 for a friggin' light
fixture) doesn't want to spend pocket change for converting to gas...
sheesh.. no wonder you won't go for that sex change surgery. hehe

On Mon 11 Feb 2008 09:10:31a, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> Sheldon > dropped this
> :
> in rec.food.cooking
>
>> Someone who can't cook a lick thinks nothing of spending $100,000 to
>> have a show-off designer kitchen (and $4,000 for a friggin' light
>> fixture) doesn't want to spend pocket change for converting to gas...
>> sheesh.. no wonder you won't go for that sex change surgery. hehe
>
> Who is spending 100g on a kitchen? No, I'm not a gourmet cook and never
> claimed to be. I don't see you posting much of anything useful cookwise
> lately Shelly. Can you cook worth a lick? Let us all hear how great you
> think you are Shelly boy. It's amusing. You thinking of a sex change
> surgery? I've never wanted one but since you brought it up you must be
> thinking about it. Don't do it Shelly. At your age you'd look like
> Phyllis Diller.
>
> Michael

I thought he'd already had one and wanted another one to reverse it. He'd
probably look like Carol Channing. Have you seen her lately?

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sf wrote:

> Here's my hood.... http://www.ventahood.com/hoodmodels.jsp?id=2
> Halogen lights, second option for 48" (each opt. is another fan). I
> didn't have to reconfigure the cabinets although I did lose a little
> storage space inside the overhead cabinets due to the increase in the
> size of the duct.
>
LOL, my stove vent is so efficient that my husband has come home and
been able to smell the cooking or baking outside!

ChattyCathy wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:

>> I got the new stove because I want my new tenant to stay, she has a
>> job, and she has a nice cherry red Kitchen Aid mixer on the counter,
>> so I suspect I might be getting lots of cookies.
>>
> Heh. Maybe you'll get lucky <veg>.
> You did The Right Thing, IMHO. Not many landlords would give a damn, and
> some would have just "got it working" and not worried about the "stink"
> etc.... This way, she gets a new stove and you get a happy tenant.
> Win-win situation.

I think he did right too. When I've been a landlord I've gone out of my
way to accommodate good tenants.
When I was a newly married Army wife, we were transferred and lived in
an efficiency type motel while our house was being readied. Every time I
stirred something on the little stove in the little aluminum pot that
was provided in the "equipped kitchen" I would get a tingling buzz up my
arm! My husband never experienced it though? I think he thought I was
nuts, until finally he experienced it. I think he wasn't stirring down
to the *bottom* of the pan and making that contact. I was getting
shocked!! LOL

jay wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> >
> > I don't want to spend the money. �
>
>
> How does the new kitchen look? �
> You have posted no photos?

Hmm, you must've missed it...

http://tinyurl.com/38gok5

http://www.dog3.com/GasStove/photoalbum

SHELDON

On Mon 11 Feb 2008 06:51:05a, Sheldon told us...

> I got the new stove because I want my new tenant to stay, she has a
> job, and she has a nice cherry red Kitchen Aid mixer on the counter,
> so I suspect I might be getting lots of cookies.
>
>

Or maybe lost of nookies.

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Goomba38 wrote:
> ChattyCathy wrote:
> > Sheldon wrote:
> >> I got the new stove because I want my new tenant to stay, she has a
> >> job, and she has a nice cherry red Kitchen Aid mixer on the counter,
> >> so I suspect I might be getting lots of cookies.
>
> > Heh. Maybe you'll get lucky <veg>.
> > You did The Right Thing, IMHO. Not many landlords would give a damn, and
> > some would have just "got it working" and not worried about the "stink"
> > etc.... This way, she gets a new stove and you get a happy tenant.
> > Win-win situation.
>
> I think he did right too. When I've been a landlord I've gone out of my
> way to accommodate good tenants.
> When I was a newly married Army wife, we were transferred and lived in
> an efficiency type motel while our house was being readied. Every time I
> stirred something on the little stove in the little aluminum pot that
> was provided in the "equipped kitchen" I would get a tingling buzz up my
> arm! My husband never experienced it though? I think he thought I was
> nuts, until finally he experienced it. I think he wasn't stirring down
> to the *bottom* of the pan and making that contact. I was getting
> shocked!! LOL

The house was empty for four years because I really didn't want to
rent it, I already had too many years of landlording, and now that I'm
retired I didn't want the misery that goes along with the job, and it
is a job. Plus this rental house is on the same property where I live
and I didn't want to lose my privacy. So for all those four years I
left it empty, but I didn't want the building to deteriorate so I kept
it heated in winter which required electric and running the well so I
paid the electric too. At first the fuel oil for heat wasn't too
costly, nor was the minimum electric bill. But now with the oil
crunch fuel oil has more than doubled to heat that house (from $1,000/
yr to $2,200/yr), and so has the minimum electric bill (went from $12/
mo to $26/mo). And my property taxes have risen as well as my
insurance. So last year I decided to look for a tenant. But this
rural area hasn't much choice of decent tenants; most are single guys
who are alcoholics and don't have regular jobs, or single mothers on
welfare. I interviewed quite a few, all losers, until Julie came
along. Julie is a teacher's aide at the local school in town, has
worked there 7 years. So I know she has a steady and reliable job and
has been security checked too. She's been here since the 1st of the
month and so far she seems fine, she's quiet and has paid her rent
plus a month security and paid for a full tank of oil ($880.00/275
gallons). I pay for all repairs, maintenance on heating boiler and on
the water softener, she buys the salt. She has the house decorated
nicely and is super clean, in fact she cleans houses as her second
job. She also has a dog, a toy dachshund, Harold, a cutie... although
I wish it was a cat to keep the mice in check. Now I just hope she
stays awhile.

Rental front:
http://i26.tinypic.com/dlhrwz.jpg

Rental side:
http://i28.tinypic.com/2zpmgle.jpg

Sheldon wrote:
She has the house decorated
> nicely and is super clean, in fact she cleans houses as her second
> job. She also has a dog, a toy dachshund, Harold, a cutie... although
> I wish it was a cat to keep the mice in check. Now I just hope she
> stays awhile.
>
> Rental front:
> http://i26.tinypic.com/dlhrwz.jpg
>
> Rental side:
> http://i28.tinypic.com/2zpmgle.jpg
>
Very neat and tidy,Sheldon. Do you have pictures of the kitchen?
What does something like that rent for up in your neck of the woods, can
I ask?

On Feb 11, 3:56�pm, Goomba38 > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> � �She has the house decorated> nicely and is super clean, in fact she cleans houses as her second
> > job. �She also has a dog, a toy dachshund, Harold, a cutie... although
> > I wish it was a cat to keep the mice in check. �Now I just hope she
> > stays awhile.
>
> > Rental front:
> >http://i26.tinypic.com/dlhrwz.jpg
>
> > Rental side:
> >http://i28.tinypic.com/2zpmgle.jpg
>
> Very neat and tidy,Sheldon. Do you have pictures of the kitchen?
> What does something like that rent for up in your neck of the woods, can
> I ask?

I do all the mowing, and I plow too... snow. I don't have any
pictures of the kitchen but I will soon, I'll take pictures when the
new stove arrives. There aren't many rentals like this around here
(maybe none), there're either large dilapidated old farm houses in
dire need of repair, apartments as part of the main house, or there
are crummy apartment complexes that look like fifty year old fleabag
motels. My little rental house is stand alone and has planty of
privacy with all that land around it. I really have no idea of how
much I could possibly get for rent but I want someone who will stay so
I'm charging $650/mo, which I feel is more than fair. My landlord's
insurance policy now costs $611/yr, it typically costs me $200-$300/yr
for servicing the boiler, and another $200/yr to service the water
softener.... and with tax and delivery the stove will cost just over
$500... there will always be expenses so I'm not going to get rich
from this venture.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Another major difference is the use of open coils on the cooktop
> burners. These have always been the "norm" in the US until the
> emergence of glass top cooktops. If I'm not mistaken, the "norm" in
> most of the world is a solid cast iron element for each burner.
> Several US manufacturers tried to introduce these in the 1980s or so,
> but they never really caught on.

I have an electric double wall oven. The (bigger) bottom oven is convection
and the top smaller oven (not convection) is also the grill/broiler. I have
a gas hob set into a unit.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Another major difference is the use of open coils on the cooktop
>> burners. These have always been the "norm" in the US until the
>> emergence of glass top cooktops. If I'm not mistaken, the "norm" in
>> most of the world is a solid cast iron element for each burner.
>> Several US manufacturers tried to introduce these in the 1980s or so,
>> but they never really caught on.
>
> I have an electric double wall oven.

Oo. I'm having oven envy.

On Mon 11 Feb 2008 04:02:46p, Ophelia told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Another major difference is the use of open coils on the cooktop
>> burners. These have always been the "norm" in the US until the
>> emergence of glass top cooktops. If I'm not mistaken, the "norm" in
>> most of the world is a solid cast iron element for each burner.
>> Several US manufacturers tried to introduce these in the 1980s or so,
>> but they never really caught on.
>
> I have an electric double wall oven. The (bigger) bottom oven is
> convection and the top smaller oven (not convection) is also the
> grill/broiler. I have a gas hob set into a unit.
>
>
>

I would take your oven any day, but you can keep your gas hob. I don't
like gas. :-(

--
Wayne Boatwright

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Date: Monday, 02(II)/11(XI)/08(MMVIII)
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and blossom forth into hysteria.
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:08:54 -0500, Goomba38 >
wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>> Here's my hood.... http://www.ventahood.com/hoodmodels.jsp?id=2
>> Halogen lights, second option for 48" (each opt. is another fan). I
>> didn't have to reconfigure the cabinets although I did lose a little
>> storage space inside the overhead cabinets due to the increase in the
>> size of the duct.
>>
>LOL, my stove vent is so efficient that my husband has come home and
>been able to smell the cooking or baking outside!

That's my kind of duct work.... just like a restaurant.

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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:08:54 -0500, Goomba38 >
> wrote:
>
>>sf wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my hood.... http://www.ventahood.com/hoodmodels.jsp?id=2
>>> Halogen lights, second option for 48" (each opt. is another fan). I
>>> didn't have to reconfigure the cabinets although I did lose a little
>>> storage space inside the overhead cabinets due to the increase in the
>>> size of the duct.
>>>
>>LOL, my stove vent is so efficient that my husband has come home and
>>been able to smell the cooking or baking outside!
>
> That's my kind of duct work.... just like a restaurant.
>


If he enters the area where the vent is, hopefully the vent would be sending
out some cooking smells, or the vent wouldn't be doing its job.
Dee Dee

Dee.Dee wrote:

>
> <sf> wrote in message ...
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:08:54 -0500, Goomba38 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's my hood.... http://www.ventahood.com/hoodmodels.jsp?id=2
>>>> Halogen lights, second option for 48" (each opt. is another fan). I
>>>> didn't have to reconfigure the cabinets although I did lose a little
>>>> storage space inside the overhead cabinets due to the increase in the
>>>> size of the duct.
>>>>
>>>LOL, my stove vent is so efficient that my husband has come home and
>>>been able to smell the cooking or baking outside!
>>
>> That's my kind of duct work.... just like a restaurant.
>
> If he enters the area where the vent is, hopefully the vent would be sending
> out some cooking smells, or the vent wouldn't be doing its job.

And if you smell the bus when you're cooking, you've got the fan in
backwards.


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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:58:13 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote:

>
><sf> wrote in message ...
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:08:54 -0500, Goomba38 >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's my hood.... http://www.ventahood.com/hoodmodels.jsp?id=2
>>>> Halogen lights, second option for 48" (each opt. is another fan). I
>>>> didn't have to reconfigure the cabinets although I did lose a little
>>>> storage space inside the overhead cabinets due to the increase in the
>>>> size of the duct.
>>>>
>>>LOL, my stove vent is so efficient that my husband has come home and
>>>been able to smell the cooking or baking outside!
>>
>> That's my kind of duct work.... just like a restaurant.
>>
>
>
>If he enters the area where the vent is, hopefully the vent would be sending
>out some cooking smells, or the vent wouldn't be doing its job.
>Dee Dee
>
Call it a homing device.

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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:58:13 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>><sf> wrote in message ...
>>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:08:54 -0500, Goomba38 >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's my hood.... http://www.ventahood.com/hoodmodels.jsp?id=2
>>>>> Halogen lights, second option for 48" (each opt. is another fan). I
>>>>> didn't have to reconfigure the cabinets although I did lose a little
>>>>> storage space inside the overhead cabinets due to the increase in the
>>>>> size of the duct.
>>>>>
>>>>LOL, my stove vent is so efficient that my husband has come home and
>>>>been able to smell the cooking or baking outside!
>>>
>>> That's my kind of duct work.... just like a restaurant.
>>>
>>
>>
>>If he enters the area where the vent is, hopefully the vent would be
>>sending
>>out some cooking smells, or the vent wouldn't be doing its job.
>>Dee Dee
>>
> Call it a homing device.
>

As in 'birds'? No! No!
The wind and also birds will peck on the vent. I can't imagine what birds
feel is so attractive about human food cooking. But they do sometimes.
Dee Dee

"Dee.Dee" > wrote:
>
> I can't imagine what birds feel is so attractive
> about human food cooking.

Many birds are omnivores, they eat the same diet as humans... toss out
some bread and see who comes to eat first. Everytime I light my grill
the first to congregate are the crows and ravens.

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:46:16 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Mon 11 Feb 2008 06:51:05a, Sheldon told us...
>
>> I got the new stove because I want my new tenant to stay, she has a
>> job, and she has a nice cherry red Kitchen Aid mixer on the counter,
>> so I suspect I might be getting lots of cookies.
>>
>>
>
>Or maybe lost of nookies.

hope springs eternal, unlike sheldon's cock.

your pal,
blake