jmcquown wrote on Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:38:34 -0500:


j> "Andy" <q> wrote in message
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??>> jmcquown said...
??>>
??>>> True, deafness is a handicap
??>>
??>> Says you! Deafness is a benefit. I knew ASL! We could sign
??>> faster than you can talk! Far more intelligent, except
??>> when they spoke out loud.
??>>
??>> So they need vibration bed alarm clocks and light-blinking
??>> door bells! They're not disabled!!!
??>>
??>> Andy
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j> I believe the definition of deafness as a handicap has more
j> to do with allowances in the workplace than anything else.
j> Flashing lights when fire alarms sound, that sort of thing.
j> I still haven't figured out why there's braille on the
j> drive-thru ATM buttons...

I think that was explained fairly recently tho' I'm not sure if
was in r.f.cooking. It is simpler and less expensive to make one
multipurpose design than several different ones. The Braille
dots don't impede your use do they?

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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Dan Abel" > wrote
>
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
>>> Would be nice in some instances though like going to the fair. Not that
>>> I
>>> think I will be going there again any time too soon. Once through the
>>> gates it is hard for me to get around. I spend my time looking from
>>> seat to
>>> seat and the amount of walking I have to do there leaves me laid up for
>>> a
>>> couple of weeks afterwards.
>>
>> Have you thought about a wheelchair or walker? I believe some walkers
>> have built-in seats. Either way, you can always find a seat, since you
>> brought it with you.
>
> Or the previously mentioned granny cart with seat. Handy.
> I could have used that at one time, for sure.
>
> nancy

what about one of those battery powered ride-on scooters? though they can be
a bit of a menace when driven on the road (would you believe it??) most
people drive them on footpaths, carefully and considerately
>

"James Silverton" > wrote in news:uC1wj.20633
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> Appropriately, both parking spaces were handicapped
> ones but I wonder if it was two cases of incipient Alzheimer's
> and really rather sad.
>

See it is true..stupidity isn't a handicap

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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:15:14 GMT, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

>I haven't tried
>to get a handicapped sticker because too many times I have seen people being
>harassed for parking in there when they don't appear to be handicapped.

I have *never* seen anyone harassed for parking in a handicapped spot
just because they didn't "look" like they needed it. In fact, I've
never seen anyone harassed at all. Is this yet another example of
what people who say "it's not my place to judge" do?

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"Nancy Young" > wrote in
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> "jmcquown" > wrote
>
>> A very close friend of mine was diagnosed with MS in her
>> mid-30's. She sometimes used a cane for balance, and
>> because she tired easily, but wasn't to the point of using
>> one all the time yet. (She's been in a wheel chair full
>> time for some years now.) The doctor filled out the
>> paperwork and she had a handicapped placard so she didn't
>> have to walk long distances to do her shopping. On more
>> than one occasion she reported being "yelled at" for
>> parking there. She also told me one day she was really
>> having balance problems but had left her cane at home. A
>> woman in the grocery store saw her stumble as she was
>> reaching for an item on a shelf. She called her a lush
>> and told her to "go home and sleep it off"! Clueless
>> witch.
>
> Oh, if there's anything to karma, she'll be paid back. No
> matter what the problem was, she should keep her trap shut.
>
> I think some of the meanness surrounding handicapped spots
> comes from people's desperation to park as close as
> possible! to the front door. I mean people with no
> handicap. I see them waiting for someone to back out when
> there is an open space two spots away! People, walking,
> try it, it's good for you. It will be time soon enough
> when it's hard to walk far. Enjoy it while you can.

not only that, but walking is *good* for you. when my mom was
diagnosed with arthritis in her 50s, her doctor told her to
take up walking or cross country skiing, anything to get her
out & moving. she didn't want to exercise. she became more &
more frail & recently died at age 83. since *her* mother, who
was very active, lived to 102, i really think the lack of
exercise was the reason behind mom's rapid decline.
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:04:36 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>
>There is a proper etiquette for complaints about illegitimate use of
>handicapped parking. It doesn't ever involve complaining directly to
>the person, as there is no way to verify anything. There are records
>somewhere, and if the person in the car (or one of the people) doesn't
>match who the id is for, then a citation can be issued by the police
>officer who responded to the complaint. I believe in California it is
>US$270. That's an awfully expensive parking spot to save a few steps.

The police (or shopping center private cops) make that call. Citizens
step way over the line when they choose to verbally harass the driver
or occupants of the car in question.

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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:30:05 GMT, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

>I have a walker and *knock wood* I haven't had to use it for a while. It
>actually wears me out to have to keep lifting it and setting it down again
>and it's next to impossible to carry a purse or anything else when using it.
>Plus it makes me walk extra slowly and that seems to tire my legs out even
>more.

Have you considered a walker with wheels?
http://www.maxiaids.com/store/prodVi...idproduct=1137
this one has a seat
http://www.valuemedicalsupplies.com/night.htm

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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:15:14 GMT, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
>>I haven't tried
>>to get a handicapped sticker because too many times I have seen people
>>being
>>harassed for parking in there when they don't appear to be handicapped.
>
> I have *never* seen anyone harassed for parking in a handicapped spot
> just because they didn't "look" like they needed it. In fact, I've
> never seen anyone harassed at all. Is this yet another example of
> what people who say "it's not my place to judge" do?


I harassed someone once. She pulled into the handicapped spot in a big
4-door Oldsmobile, the perfect car for old folks. The handicapped tag was on
the rear view mirror. The twenty-something bitch bounced out of the car
wearing an aerobics outfit. If she was handicapped, it must've been above
the neck. I made a comment. It had no effect.

"enigma" > wrote

> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> there is an open space two spots away! People, walking,
>> try it, it's good for you. It will be time soon enough
>> when it's hard to walk far. Enjoy it while you can.
>
> not only that, but walking is *good* for you. when my mom was
> diagnosed with arthritis in her 50s, her doctor told her to
> take up walking or cross country skiing, anything to get her
> out & moving. she didn't want to exercise. she became more &
> more frail & recently died at age 83. since *her* mother, who
> was very active, lived to 102, i really think the lack of
> exercise was the reason behind mom's rapid decline.

You're preaching to the choir ... I have osteoarthritis in one
hip due to a childhood injury and it gets steadily worse if I
stop walking. Which I do for stretches at a time.

Now I have my walking tape loaded onto my ipod shuffle
(which I see is down so 50 bucks) and weather is my only
excuse for not walking.

nancy

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:33:17 GMT, (Phred)
wrote:

>Here in Oz (at least in Queensland anyway) there's another important
>benefit to be had with a disabled sticker: You can park for free and
>for however long you want in the normal metered parking bays. So if
>you don't need wheelchair access to your vehicle you have a wide
>choice of parking spots. (The special "disabled bays" here are rather
>wider than normal to allow for people who need to get in and out of
>wheelchairs or who use walking frames and similar.)

Same here.

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Nancy Young > wrote in message
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[snip]
> You're preaching to the choir ... I have osteoarthritis in
> one
> hip due to a childhood injury and it gets steadily worse if I
> stop walking. Which I do for stretches at a time.
[snip]

Daughter-unit Beta has JRA and diagnosed with it when she was
6. Every doctor she's seen is amazed at her flexibility given
the advanced stages of her arthritis. There are mornings, like
today, where she simply can't move easily but her will-do
attitude has allowed her to push the chronic pain aside --
because she walks or rides her bike. The purchases of her iPod
and cell were worth every penny.

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Yeah, and so far I don't park in those slots. So I'm 100% parking lot space
ticket free. In a VW no less!

Brunch is ON!

I'm down to 200 lbs. and must do SOMETHING about that. Maybe we'll walk
there, all-you-can-eat dine and then walk back and play!

Heck, let's take the VW? Go-kart into town?!! You can drive!

<smmmotch> my California girl.

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sf wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:15:14 GMT, "Julie Bove"
> >
> wrote:
>> I haven't tried to get a handicapped sticker because
>> too many times I have seen people being harassed
>> for parking in there when they don't appear to
>> be handicapped.
>>
> I have *never* seen anyone harassed for parking in
> a handicapped spot just because they didn't "look"
> like they needed it. In fact, I've never seen anyone
> harassed at all. Is this yet another example of
> what people who say "it's not my place to judge" do?

I've seen, and been with, people harassed for parking in those
designated areas.

I was in Pittsburgh, the City of Tolerance, with my uncle. He
was 84 at the time and we pulled into and parked in one of the
designated slots. As I got out, some dingo pulled up and howled
at us. Dingo didn't expect me to come over to his window and
explain what I thought of him or his opinion. My uncle's
nonreaction was to shrug it off with, "It happens all the time.
No skin off my nose that they hate life so much that they need
to show it so publicly."

The few times I've seen it in local malls or grocery stores,
people make their comments from the safety of their cars as
they drive-by. It's very much a snipe of the worst type.

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Julie Bove wrote:

> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In article <SX7wj.113$JU3.82@trndny04>,
>>"Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>In article >, sf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In any case, your story sounds like two handicapped bullies to me (or
>>>>>more likely, they were drivers of handicapped people) - but you didn't
>>>>>say how many were in each car. Don't forget that handicapped
>>>>>stickers/placards and handicapped parking spaces are regularly abused.
>>>>
>>>>We've all heard stories about people using other's handicapped id.
>>>>Still, it's pretty hard to tell. My sister and uncle both have
>>>>handicapped placards. They are both able to get around just fine.
>>>>However, they both drive my father around. He's able to get around
>>>>fine, for a short distance. He's 91, with two artificial knees that
>>>>aren't working as well as they used to. Still, when one of them pulls
>>>>into the handicapped spot with my father and they get out, it doesn't
>>>>really look like they need the spot. But if they park far away, by the
>>>>time they get to the store, my father can't walk any more. They have
>>>>to
>>>>find a seat so he can rest. Sometimes it isn't easy to find a seat,
>>>>and
>>>>he can't just sit anywhere, since my sister isn't strong enough to get
>>>>him up from a seat that is too low. She asked if I wanted to borrow
>>>>the
>>>>id, since I'm taking dad to see my brother and family. No, I'll just
>>>>have my brother drop us off in front of the store while my brother
>>>>parks. You can't do that with just dad and a driver. Dad has senile
>>>>dementia, and doesn't remember anything in the short term. If you drop
>>>>him off in front of the store by himself, you can count on him not
>>>>being
>>>>there when you get there. There's no way to tell which way he went.
>>>>He
>>>>never has any idea at all where he is, or how he got there.
>>>
>>>My problem is I can't walk very far or stand for very long. I haven't
>>>tried
>>>to get a handicapped sticker because too many times I have seen people
>>>being
>>>harassed for parking in there when they don't appear to be handicapped.
>>>I
>>>can just envision myself having to stand there and explain what all my
>>>medical problems are while my legs are locking up on my from standing in
>>>one
>>>spot for too long. So I just hope for the best, and most of the time I
>>>am
>>>able to get a spot next to the handicapped or fairly close.
>>
>>There is a proper etiquette for complaints about illegitimate use of
>>handicapped parking. It doesn't ever involve complaining directly to
>>the person, as there is no way to verify anything. There are records
>>somewhere, and if the person in the car (or one of the people) doesn't
>>match who the id is for, then a citation can be issued by the police
>>officer who responded to the complaint. I believe in California it is
>>US$270. That's an awfully expensive parking spot to save a few steps.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Would be nice in some instances though like going to the fair. Not that
>>>I
>>>think I will be going there again any time too soon. Once through the
>>>gates it is hard for me to get around. I spend my time looking from seat
>>>to
>>>seat and the amount of walking I have to do there leaves me laid up for a
>>>couple of weeks afterwards.
>>
>>Have you thought about a wheelchair or walker? I believe some walkers
>>have built-in seats. Either way, you can always find a seat, since you
>>brought it with you.
>
>
> I have a walker and *knock wood* I haven't had to use it for a while. It
> actually wears me out to have to keep lifting it and setting it down again
> and it's next to impossible to carry a purse or anything else when using it.
> Plus it makes me walk extra slowly and that seems to tire my legs out even
> more.
>
> I tried a wheelchair. Due to my various medical problems the motion of it
> makes me really sick to my stomach and I feel disoriented in it. I just
> hope I never get bad enough to have to use one or I'll be a mess.
>
>

It sounds like you need a wheeled walker with hand brakes and a built-in
seat. This video gives an excellent demonstration of all the possibilities.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GgM0jXi7HaA

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:16:02 -0800, "The Ranger"
> wrote:

>The few times I've seen it in local malls or grocery stores,
>people make their comments from the safety of their cars as
>they drive-by. It's very much a snipe of the worst type.

Drive by snipers, eh? If they can't keep their mouth shut, they
should roll up the window first.

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sf wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:16:02 -0800, "The Ranger"
> > wrote:
>> The few times I've seen it in local malls or grocery
>> stores, people make their comments from the safety
>> of their cars as they drive-by. It's very much a snipe
>> of the worst type.
>>
> Drive by snipers, eh? If they can't keep their mouth
> shut, they should roll up the window first.

They wouldn't feel so important or powerful if they did that...

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"enigma" > wrote in message
>
> not only that, but walking is *good* for you. when my mom was
> diagnosed with arthritis in her 50s, her doctor told her to
> take up walking or cross country skiing, anything to get her
> out & moving.

My wife has a handicap placard. In the winter, bad weather, or if she is
having problems, we use it. One nice days it is better to park some
distance from the store and walk. The exercise benefits are good for both
of us most of the time.

Some store are very accommodating when she needs help, such as a wheelchair.
Other store don't much give a damn. Much as I dislike shopping at Wal Mart,
they are the most helpful, at least in our area.

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:30:36 -0800, sf wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:04:36 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>
>>There is a proper etiquette for complaints about illegitimate use of
>>handicapped parking. It doesn't ever involve complaining directly to
>>the person, as there is no way to verify anything. There are records
>>somewhere, and if the person in the car (or one of the people) doesn't
>>match who the id is for, then a citation can be issued by the police
>>officer who responded to the complaint. I believe in California it is
>>US$270. That's an awfully expensive parking spot to save a few steps.
>
>The police (or shopping center private cops) make that call. Citizens
>step way over the line when they choose to verbally harass the driver
>or occupants of the car in question.

i heard a story about a guy with a heart ailment (i.e., no visible
handicap). some guy yelled at him 'you look o.k. to me! what's your
handicap?'

he yelled back 'my dick doesn't get hard anymore!'

your pal,
bob

enigma wrote:

> Blinky the Shark > wrote in
> news >
>> Hey, it this a new thing in signage, or have I just not noticed it?
>>
>> A stop sign with a subsign that says cars on the cross street don't
>> stop.
>>
>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/stop.jpg
>
> i've never seen one of those. where do you live?

North Hollywood, California, USA

>> Uh......for what, maybe 80 years now, hasn't STOP meant "STOP", not
>> "STOP LIKE ALL OTHER DIRECTIONS ARE DOING"? The other street not
>> stopping is the default, innit? Unless, of course a sign *states*
>> "4-WAY" (but of course then it's not a default situation).
>
> is it possible that the intersection was formerly a 4 way
> stop, but changed recently to improve traffic flow?

Not that I *recall*, but I can't say for sure.

>> Are we devolving into generations that think a stop sign always means
>> *everybody* stops -- along with not being able to park without radar
>> and not being able to shift a manual transmission?
>
> i think it's more a generation that thinks everybody stops except
> themselves, that passing on double yellow is fine if you're in a hurry &
> the car in front is only going the speed limit, and most traffic rules
> are just "suggestions".

> what cars have parking radar? i've missed that. i have a

I can't name them, but it's not rare. It may actually be ultrasonic, but
I've at least seen it *called* radar. Or both types of sensing may be
used.

<clickety>

Just the first page of a Google search on phrase (IOW, with the quotes)
"parking assist" shows hits for Honda, Toyota, Mini, Lexus and Infiniti.
And yes, they seem to be ultrasound, even though the huddled masses seem
to frequently call them "radar". Having done this tiny amount of research
I shall start calling them "ultrasound" myself, since that seems to be the
norm.


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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:29:25 -0500, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote
>
>> A very close friend of mine was diagnosed with MS in her mid-30's. She
>> sometimes used a cane for balance, and because she tired easily, but
>> wasn't to the point of using one all the time yet. (She's been in a wheel
>> chair full time for some years now.) The doctor filled out the paperwork
>> and she had a handicapped placard so she didn't have to walk long
>> distances to do her shopping. On more than one occasion she reported
>> being "yelled at" for parking there. She also told me one day she was
>> really having balance problems but had left her cane at home. A woman in
>> the grocery store saw her stumble as she was reaching for an item on a
>> shelf. She called her a lush and told her to "go home and sleep it off"!
>> Clueless witch.
>
>Oh, if there's anything to karma, she'll be paid back. No matter
>what the problem was, she should keep her trap shut.
>
>I think some of the meanness surrounding handicapped spots comes
>from people's desperation to park as close as possible! to the front
>door. I mean people with no handicap. I see them waiting for someone
>to back out when there is an open space two spots away! People,
>walking, try it, it's good for you. It will be time soon enough when it's
>hard to walk far. Enjoy it while you can.
>
>nancy
>

i've even heard a reverse story, when somebody with a wheelchair
parked in a 'normal' space. someone yelled 'you got spaces of your
own! leave these for regular people!'

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:19:07 GMT, blake murphy >
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:30:36 -0800, sf wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:04:36 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>There is a proper etiquette for complaints about illegitimate use of
>>>handicapped parking. It doesn't ever involve complaining directly to
>>>the person, as there is no way to verify anything. There are records
>>>somewhere, and if the person in the car (or one of the people) doesn't
>>>match who the id is for, then a citation can be issued by the police
>>>officer who responded to the complaint. I believe in California it is
>>>US$270. That's an awfully expensive parking spot to save a few steps.
>>
>>The police (or shopping center private cops) make that call. Citizens
>>step way over the line when they choose to verbally harass the driver
>>or occupants of the car in question.
>
>i heard a story about a guy with a heart ailment (i.e., no visible
>handicap). some guy yelled at him 'you look o.k. to me! what's your
>handicap?'
>
>he yelled back 'my dick doesn't get hard anymore!'
>
That *is* a side effect of the medication....

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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:23:05 GMT, blake murphy >
wrote:

>i've even heard a reverse story, when somebody with a wheelchair
>parked in a 'normal' space. someone yelled 'you got spaces of your
>own! leave these for regular people!'

Unbelievable. Everyone has an opinion and many don't know how to keep
it to themselves.

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In article >, sf wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:15:14 GMT, "Julie Bove" >
> wrote:
>
> >I haven't tried
> >to get a handicapped sticker because too many times I have seen people being
> >harassed for parking in there when they don't appear to be handicapped.
>
> I have *never* seen anyone harassed for parking in a handicapped spot
> just because they didn't "look" like they needed it. In fact, I've
> never seen anyone harassed at all.

I never have either, but then I don't hang out near handicapped parking
spots. I've read lots of reputable articles from people I know who have
been hassled because they parked in a handicapped spot and didn't appear
sufficiently handicapped. There was a yearly newsletter at my former
job put out by the office in charge of helping these people, and there
was often an article written by people I knew, describing their problems
with this. Frankly, I never even knew that most of these people were
handicapped.

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"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> jmcquown said...
>
>> True, deafness is a handicap
>
> Says you! Deafness is a benefit. I knew ASL! We could sign faster than you
> can talk! Far more intelligent, except when they spoke out loud.
>
> So they need vibration bed alarm clocks and light-blinking door bells!
> They're not disabled!!!
>

No, Andy. This kind of PC "differently abled" crap drives me crazy. It SUCKS
not to be able to hear, see, walk, etc. Any way you slice it.

Janet Baraclough said...

> The message >
> from Andy <q> contains these words:
>
>> jmcquown said...
>
>> > True, deafness is a handicap
>
>> Says you! Deafness is a benefit. I knew ASL! We could sign faster than
>> you can talk! Far more intelligent, except when they spoke out loud.
>
> An individual's intelligence doesn't vary according to which language
> they are using.
>
>> So they need vibration bed alarm clocks and light-blinking door bells!
>> They're not disabled!!!
>
> Crossing a busy car park can be a safety hazard for people who can't
> distinguish if or where or how fast traffic is moving outside their
> field of vision. Hearing drivers rarely anticipate that pedestrians
> close by can't hear their engine, horn, door opening ,etc.
>
> Janet.


Janet,

Have you ever been inside an acoustic chamber?!? You know what that sounds
like?

Visual acuity amongst deaf people is greater than hearing people, evidenced
by playing foosball with them in college. Sound is a distraction they don't
deal with.

I'm not deaf but they're NOT handicapped! A fortunate feature, if you ask
me!!!

Think about it the next time you're in your car with an iPod in your ears
or the radio on and talking on your cellphone!!!

You haven't lived with deaf people, obviously!

Silence is golden.

Tell me who can see better!!!!!!

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message
>
> I'm not deaf but they're NOT handicapped! A fortunate feature, if you ask
> me!!!
>

If you think it is a benefit, simply hammer a couple of nails in your ears
and you too can reap the benefits of hearing loss. Report back when you do.

Nancy Young wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote

>
> I think some of the meanness surrounding handicapped spots comes
> from people's desperation to park as close as possible! to the front
> door. I mean people with no handicap.


The whole crux is that you can't TELL if a person has a handicap
just by looking. There are millions of people out there
with painful
backs or knees or feet who don't think they are "entitled" to a
handicap placard or who are in denial about how bad they are so
they cruise looking for a close parking spot to save themselves
a few extra steps of pain. (Don't ask how I know this!)

I have a cousin who had a leg amputated due to a brain aneurysm.
She has manged to get around well enough so she doesn't attract
attention but often has people tell her off when she parks in a
handicap space, She has told more than one "Do I need to take
off my artificial leg to shut you up?"

gloria p

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:


> I harassed someone once. She pulled into the handicapped spot in a big
> 4-door Oldsmobile, the perfect car for old folks. The handicapped tag was on
> the rear view mirror. The twenty-something bitch bounced out of the car
> wearing an aerobics outfit. If she was handicapped, it must've been above
> the neck. I made a comment. It had no effect.

Once you or a loved one experience a mental handicap, it won't be such a
joke to you.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>
>> I harassed someone once. She pulled into the handicapped spot in a big
>> 4-door Oldsmobile, the perfect car for old folks. The handicapped tag was
>> on
>> the rear view mirror. The twenty-something bitch bounced out of the car
>> wearing an aerobics outfit. If she was handicapped, it must've been above
>> the neck. I made a comment. It had no effect.
>
> Once you or a loved one experience a mental handicap, it won't be such a
> joke to you.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
>


I was referring to "stupid and inconsiderate", not mentally ill. And by the
way, since when would a mentally ill person get a handicapped tag, and why?
Because they might get lost in the parking lot???

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> I have a walker and *knock wood* I haven't had to use it for a while. It
> actually wears me out to have to keep lifting it and setting it down again
> and it's next to impossible to carry a purse or anything else when using it.
> Plus it makes me walk extra slowly and that seems to tire my legs out even
> more.
>
> I tried a wheelchair. Due to my various medical problems the motion of it
> makes me really sick to my stomach and I feel disoriented in it. I just
> hope I never get bad enough to have to use one or I'll be a mess.
>

Have a look at the 4-wheeled walkers http://www.companionwalker.com/ .
A friend with bad knees has one and it works great for him. They are
fairly common around.

I like the look of the one with handbrakes (Model PD-14) if you are not
sure about balance since you can control rolling even if you cannot
brace your feet. The basket is very handy for all sorts of shopping etc.


--
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

In article >,
enigma > wrote:


> is it possible that the intersection was formerly a 4 way
> stop, but changed recently to improve traffic flow?
> it amazes me how many people don't understand the procedure
> for a 4 way intersection anyway.

Yes, one wonders how they got a driver's license.

:-(

> it's not "I got here first!"

Example number one. That in fact is the primary rule at an intersection
with four stop signs.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Edwin Pawlowski said...

>
> "Andy" <q> wrote in message
>>
>> I'm not deaf but they're NOT handicapped! A fortunate feature, if you
>> ask me!!!
>>
>
> If you think it is a benefit, simply hammer a couple of nails in your
> ears and you too can reap the benefits of hearing loss. Report back
> when you do.


Not funny!

Andy

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> t...
>>
>> "itsjoannotjoann" > wrote in message
>>>
>> I don't mind people having the handicap stickers/placards/plates at
>> all. There are some who truly need to be parking in those spaces.
>> Then there's a girl I work with who's aunt is a deaf mute and the aunt
>> has a placard to park in those places. Yes, she is 'handicapped' but
>> it has nothing to do with her ability to walk. She's a huge fan of
>> yard sales and flea markets and never misses one.
>>
>> You have to wonder about her doctor. You need a doctor to sign off on
>> the application and evidently hers is over liberal on the reasons for
>> using one. Unethical, IMO. She does not have a mobility problem.
> I have to agree, Ed. True, deafness is a handicap but it doesn't mean
> the person gets to park closest to the front door of the shop.
>
> Jill

Safety issue
It seems a strange thing to get a handicap sticker for but it may be a
safety issue. If you're deaf you are not going to hear a car start up or
start pulling out of its parking spot and if you're mute you cannot
politely (and at the top of your voice) ask the nice driver to stop
backing over you.

Being able to park close to the building may make shopping etc much safer.

--
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

kilikini wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> t...
>>> "itsjoannotjoann" > wrote in message
>>> I don't mind people having the handicap stickers/placards/plates at
>>> all. There are some who truly need to be parking in those spaces.
>>> Then there's a girl I work with who's aunt is a deaf mute and the
>>> aunt has a placard to park in those places. Yes, she is
>>> 'handicapped' but it has nothing to do with her ability to walk. She's a
>>> huge fan of
>>> yard sales and flea markets and never misses one.
>>>
>>> You have to wonder about her doctor. You need a doctor to sign off
>>> on the application and evidently hers is over liberal on the
>>> reasons for using one. Unethical, IMO. She does not have a
>>> mobility problem.
>> I have to agree, Ed. True, deafness is a handicap but it doesn't
>> mean the person gets to park closest to the front door of the shop.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I wanted to apply for a handicap sticker after my second surgery when my
> lower abdominal muscles were removed and I know I would have qualified. I
> still walk all hunched over and walk really slowly, but I decided it was
> better for me to try to push myself, so I never applied. I just grab onto
> my husband's beltloop on his pants as he walks forward and propels me. LOL.
> I'm sure it looks funny, but hey, it's our form of cheap therapy! :~)
>
> kili
>
>
I've heard of hanging onto your mother's apron strings but this is
rediculous.

--
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote
>>
>>> A stop sign with a subsign that says cars on the cross street don't stop.
>>>
>>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/stop.jpg
>>>
>>> Uh......for what, maybe 80 years now, hasn't STOP meant "STOP", not "STOP
>>> LIKE ALL OTHER DIRECTIONS ARE DOING"?
>> That's crazy. Maybe they are having problems with people
>> going through that particular stop sign.
>>
>>> The other street not stopping is
>>> the default, innit? Unless, of course a sign *states* "4-WAY" (but of
>>> course then it's not a default situation).
>> Those 4-way stops are a menace. Same with people who
>> don't take their right of way, gesturing people ahead. But
>> that's another matter.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
>
> I hate it when people break the rules by trying to be nice! Follow the
> damned rules. They're in the driver's manual.
>
>
It is a pain. I cycle and people are nice enough to wave me through a
turn. I'd much prefer to wait but I sometimes go ahead just to be nice.

--
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

Toronto wrote:
> On Feb 23, 9:32 pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>> I know they're trying to be nice, but if I went when people
>> waved me to go I'd be dead from the car flying up past them.
>> Just follow the rules, it makes for confusion and mayhem when
>> you break them. It's not about being nice.
>
> Try doing that on a cargo bicycle! Happened to me just this afternoon,
> most recently. I ws going down the base leg of a "false-T"
> intersection, intending to go straight into the parking lot on the far
> side.Guy to my right had the r.o.w. but waved me on. I no sooner shook
> my head "No" when a car from the left side went straight through
> without actually stopping at all.
Never on a cargo bike but happens a fair bit on my bike. I will go ahead
when it's obvious that there is no traffic. However it seems to me
drivers are getting better about letting bikes take their proper turn.

--
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote
>>
>>> A stop sign with a subsign that says cars on the cross street don't
>>> stop.
>>>
>>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/stop.jpg
>>>
>>> Uh......for what, maybe 80 years now, hasn't STOP meant "STOP", not
>>> "STOP
>>> LIKE ALL OTHER DIRECTIONS ARE DOING"?
>>
>> That's crazy. Maybe they are having problems with people
>> going through that particular stop sign.
>>
>>> The other street not stopping is
>>> the default, innit? Unless, of course a sign *states* "4-WAY" (but of
>>> course then it's not a default situation).
>>
>> Those 4-way stops are a menace. Same with people who
>> don't take their right of way, gesturing people ahead. But
>> that's another matter.
>>
>> nancy
> I was waiting at the end of a small road that leads to/from a restaurant
> a few days ago. The (two lane) cross-street is busy since Hwy 21 is
> just down at the corner stop-light. There were two cars ahead of me,
> waiting their turn. Someone on the cross-street stopped to let us pull
> out from this small road. Okay, that's nice and all but you have the
> right of way. Don't you see those 25 cars lined up behind you who also
> have the right of way?! Don't do that unless you're the only one on the
> road.
>
> Jill
I have no problem with that. It's not going to hurt the other drivers to
wait 10-15 seconds and you could be trapped there for a long long time
if the traffic is really heavy. There is no point in doing it if there
is only one car since you're not delayed by traffic.

--
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

Puester > wrote in news:erjwj.655668$kj1.32733
@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

> Nancy Young wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote
>
>>
>> I think some of the meanness surrounding handicapped spots comes
>> from people's desperation to park as close as possible! to the front
>> door. I mean people with no handicap.
>
>
> The whole crux is that you can't TELL if a person has a handicap
> just by looking. There are millions of people out there
> with painful
> backs or knees or feet who don't think they are "entitled" to a
> handicap placard or who are in denial about how bad they are so
> they cruise looking for a close parking spot to save themselves
> a few extra steps of pain. (Don't ask how I know this!)
>
> I have a cousin who had a leg amputated due to a brain aneurysm.
> She has manged to get around well enough so she doesn't attract
> attention but often has people tell her off when she parks in a
> handicap space, She has told more than one "Do I need to take
> off my artificial leg to shut you up?"
>
> gloria p

Visually you can't see my handicap, but I have one.

I have shot lungs; on a good day I can walk maybe 400 yards with out a
rest, that is if I'm not toting say 2 or 3 bags of groceries or mall
purchases or have to climb stairs. To shop effectively, and stores truly
want everybody to shop in them, I need to park as close as possible.
Seems people get upset if I pass out while walking around their store.

Nothing rankles me worse than people complaining or make snide remarks
when I park in a handicap spot even though my sticker is visible.

I used to worry about this and pretend a limp. These days I proudly
state...Hey **** head not all handycaps are visual for example your
ignorance and stupidity hardly show at all.



--

The house of the burning beet-Alan

It'll be a sunny day in August, when the Moon will shine that night-
Elbonian Folklore

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>
>
>> I harassed someone once. She pulled into the handicapped spot in a big
>> 4-door Oldsmobile, the perfect car for old folks. The handicapped tag was
>> on
>> the rear view mirror. The twenty-something bitch bounced out of the car
>> wearing an aerobics outfit. If she was handicapped, it must've been above
>> the neck. I made a comment. It had no effect.
>
> Once you or a loved one experience a mental handicap, it won't be such a
> joke to you.
>

Joe's the joke.



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