I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like to deep
fry them and make hush puppies. Not sure about the other sides yet.
I've made hush puppies before and they weren't all that great. I
found the following recipe and would like to know if it's any good?
Or if someone has a better one I'd appreciate it very much.

Thanks,

Lou


From he
http://chitterlings.com/hush-puppies.html

We ate a lot of cornmeal based foods when I was
growing up because corn meal was cheap. In fact,
we could even take grain to the local mill and
have it ground into flour, meal, livestock feed,
etc. Cornbread or biscuits were almost always
served at any meal I attended at many houses in
the neighborhood. They were usually pretty good
too, although I preferred the lighter tasting
hush puppies. Eaten fresh out of the fryer, they
practically melted in your mouth. Here is my
recipe:

Ingredients:
2 cups yellow corn meal
1 cup plain flour (flour is what gave it the
lighter taste and you can experiment with the
amount you use if you want)
2 eggs
1 cup buttermilk (you can also use plain milk in
a pinch, but nothing compares to buttermilk)
3/4 teaspoon seasoned salt. I use Lowreys but just
about any brand will work as you are just looking
for something to spice things up a little
1/2 teaspoon ground pepper blend (again, the idea
is to spice things up a little).
1 teaspoon baking powder
2/3 teaspoon baking soda
1/8 cup bacon grease. This is another big key to
the flavor. In a pinch you can use other types
of cooking oil, but bacon is my favorite.

You also need some type of cooking oil to deep fry
these in. I usually use Crisco oil although peanut oil
and some of the lower fat oils work well too.

Mix all of the dry ingredients in a bowl. Add your
eggs, oil, and buttermilk. Stir it all up until
the flavors are thoroughly blended.

Turn your cooker on medium-high heat. When it's
hot you can drop your hush puppies in using a
table spoon. Allow them to brown on all sides.
They should begin floating when done, but if they
don't, don't overcook them.

Serve as a side dish with just about any meal. I
loved eating them with fried catfish or fresh
chopped or pulled pork barbecue. Most of the local
resturants added them as a standard feature when you
bought plate meals.

After getting to Alaska, I visited a restaurant that
also added yellow corn to their hush puppies and a
touch of sugar. If you want to give this a try,
precook the corn, but don't overcook it. Use 3/4 cups
in the recipe above. On top of that add 2 table spoons
of white sugar. The recipe at the restaurant in
Alaska was so popular that customers often ordered
side orders to take home. I always though that it
tasted pretty good.

You can also store this mixture in the refrigerator
for a day or so if you are only cooking for a smaller
group. Before cooking let it reach near room
temperature.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:30:41 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:

> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like to deep
> fry them and make hush puppies. Not sure about the other sides yet.
> I've made hush puppies before and they weren't all that great. I
> found the following recipe and would like to know if it's any good?
> Or if someone has a better one I'd appreciate it very much.

I follow a basic hushpuppy recipe, then I add lots of onion,
bacon bits and cheese. Short of that or a great dipping sauce of
some sort, there's really no way to make "good" hush puppies.

Chicken fat is much better than bacon fat for that recipe. Fry
in peanut oil if possible. Since they don't fry long, it should
really matter much.

-sw

Lou Decruss wrote:
> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like to deep
> fry them and make hush puppies. Not sure about the other sides yet.
> I've made hush puppies before and they weren't all that great. I
> found the following recipe and would like to know if it's any good?
> Or if someone has a better one I'd appreciate it very much.

Folks love my hushpuppies. Your recipe should work. Instead of buttermilk, I
like to use whole milk and add a couple of teaspoons of apple cider vinegar
to the milk. Another thing I find is that to make sure you have more soured
milk on hand than the recipe calls for, 'cause for whatever reason, the
batter might turn out too thick and need to be thinned out a bit.
--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

Lou Decruss wrote:
> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like to deep
> fry them and make hush puppies. Not sure about the other sides yet.
> I've made hush puppies before and they weren't all that great. I
> found the following recipe and would like to know if it's any good?
> Or if someone has a better one I'd appreciate it very much.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lou
(cut)
Hush puppies are good and they do need onions in them. I think green
garden onions are best. I do not like the hush puppies with sugar in
them. No bacon bits or cheese thank you.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:09:30 GMT, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:30:41 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like to deep
>> fry them and make hush puppies. Not sure about the other sides yet.
>> I've made hush puppies before and they weren't all that great. I
>> found the following recipe and would like to know if it's any good?
>> Or if someone has a better one I'd appreciate it very much.
>
>I follow a basic hushpuppy recipe, then I add lots of onion,
>bacon bits and cheese. Short of that or a great dipping sauce of
>some sort, there's really no way to make "good" hush puppies.
>
>Chicken fat is much better than bacon fat for that recipe. Fry
>in peanut oil if possible. Since they don't fry long, it should
>really matter much.
>
>-sw

Thanks Steve. Yesterday was going to be a slow work day but turned
into a nightmare, so everything has been put off to today. I don't
have chicken fat so bacon fat will have to do.

Thanks,

Lou

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:26:14 GMT, "Dave Bugg" >
wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote:
>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like to deep
>> fry them and make hush puppies. Not sure about the other sides yet.
>> I've made hush puppies before and they weren't all that great. I
>> found the following recipe and would like to know if it's any good?
>> Or if someone has a better one I'd appreciate it very much.
>
>Folks love my hushpuppies. Your recipe should work. Instead of buttermilk, I
>like to use whole milk and add a couple of teaspoons of apple cider vinegar
>to the milk. Another thing I find is that to make sure you have more soured
>milk on hand than the recipe calls for, 'cause for whatever reason, the
>batter might turn out too thick and need to be thinned out a bit.

Thanks for the tips Dave. As I told Steve I'm doing them a day late.
I'm looking forward to seeing how these turn out.

Thanks,

Lou

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:11:01 -0500, milo henderson
> wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote:
>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like to deep
>> fry them and make hush puppies. Not sure about the other sides yet.
>> I've made hush puppies before and they weren't all that great. I
>> found the following recipe and would like to know if it's any good?
>> Or if someone has a better one I'd appreciate it very much.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Lou
>(cut)
>Hush puppies are good and they do need onions in them. I think green
>garden onions are best. I do not like the hush puppies with sugar in
>them. No bacon bits or cheese thank you.

I think hush puppies could be as much of a debate as cornbread can be.
I'm not sure which way I'm going yet. <g>

Thanks,

Lou

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:00:07 GMT, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:09:30 GMT, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:30:41 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like to deep
>>> fry them and make hush puppies. Not sure about the other sides yet.
>>> I've made hush puppies before and they weren't all that great. I
>>> found the following recipe and would like to know if it's any good?
>>> Or if someone has a better one I'd appreciate it very much.
>>
>>I follow a basic hushpuppy recipe, then I add lots of onion,
>>bacon bits and cheese. Short of that or a great dipping sauce of
>>some sort, there's really no way to make "good" hush puppies.
>>
>>Chicken fat is much better than bacon fat for that recipe. Fry
>>in peanut oil if possible. Since they don't fry long, it should
>>really matter much.
>
> Thanks Steve. Yesterday was going to be a slow work day but turned
> into a nightmare, so everything has been put off to today. I don't
> have chicken fat so bacon fat will have to do.

Save all your skins and assorted fat globules from trimmed and
skinned chicken parts, then render them down. in a frying pan.
The crispy skins can be eaten as chicharrones, and the fat gets
saved for frying potatoes and other schmaltz uses. Way better
than bacon fat, IMO.

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:

>
> Save all your skins and assorted fat globules from trimmed and
> skinned chicken parts, then render them down. in a frying pan.
> The crispy skins can be eaten as chicharrones, and the fat gets
> saved for frying potatoes and other schmaltz uses. Way better
> than bacon fat, IMO.
>
> -sw

I have always wanted to try this...how do you keep the schmaltz? Would
a coffee can in the fridge be ok? How long does it keep?

-Tracy
(Who just cut up and trimmed a chicken last night for a buttermilk soak
- to fry tonight.)

"Tracy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
>
>
> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>>
>> Save all your skins and assorted fat globules from trimmed and
>> skinned chicken parts, then render them down. in a frying pan.
>> The crispy skins can be eaten as chicharrones, and the fat gets
>> saved for frying potatoes and other schmaltz uses. Way better
>> than bacon fat, IMO.
>>
>> -sw
>
> I have always wanted to try this...how do you keep the schmaltz? Would a
> coffee can in the fridge be ok? How long does it keep?
>
> -Tracy

I use a glass jar with a tight screw on lid. Mine is duck fat, but were it
chicken fat I'd do the same thing.

Lou wrote:

> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.

I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
that orange roughy is endangered?

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Lou wrote:
>
>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>
> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
> that orange roughy is endangered?

Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
chihuahuas!) will become so?


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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:57:50 -0800, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Lou wrote:
>
>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>
> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
> that orange roughy is endangered?

*All* fish are indanger. In danger of landing on my plate at
dinner time.

I'd bet there's more orange roughy in the ocean than there are
people on Earth.

-sw

"Blinky the Shark" > wrote

> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>> Lou wrote:
>>
>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>
>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
>> aware
>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>
> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
> chihuahuas!) will become so?

The problem with orange roughy is that they don't mate until
they are years old. I wouldn't buy it, it is endangered.

nancy

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:23:12 -0800, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>> Lou wrote:
>>
>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>
>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>
>Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
>What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>chihuahuas!) will become so?

This site was brought to my attention when I posted a shark steak
(oops) recipe on my blog.

Seems sharks are endangered also, so please be careful Blinky.

http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/seafoodwatch.asp

koko
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Nancy Young wrote:

>
> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote
>
>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>>> Lou wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>>
>>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
>>> aware
>>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>>
>> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
>> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>> chihuahuas!) will become so?
>
> The problem with orange roughy is that they don't mate until
> they are years old. I wouldn't buy it, it is endangered.

Cite, please. No, not a blog. An actual authority, as I requested.
Again -- where are the authorities for endangered species?

Sure, anybody can make one of these:

http://www.endangeredfishalliance.org/orangeroughy.htm

They list four fish.

I'm not arguing that the orange roughy is not endangered. I honestly
don't know. But it seems odd that my usual chain supermarket is selling
it. That's why I'm asking for something more authoritative than what I've
found so far.


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koko wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:23:12 -0800, Blinky the Shark
> > wrote:
>
>>Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>>> Lou wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>>
>>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>>
>>Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
>>What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>>anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>>status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>>chihuahuas!) will become so?
>
> This site was brought to my attention when I posted a shark steak
> (oops) recipe on my blog.
>
> Seems sharks are endangered also, so please be careful Blinky.
>
> http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/seafoodwatch.asp

I don't think the Monterey Aquarium, while probably knowledgeable, is the
authority on endangered species, which is what I requested.


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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> koko wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:23:12 -0800, Blinky the Shark
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lou wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>>>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>>>
>>>Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
>>>What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>>>anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>>>status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>>>chihuahuas!) will become so?
>>
>> This site was brought to my attention when I posted a shark steak
>> (oops) recipe on my blog.
>>
>> Seems sharks are endangered also, so please be careful Blinky.
>>
>> http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/seafoodwatch.asp
>
> I don't think the Monterey Aquarium, while probably knowledgeable, is the
> authority on endangered species, which is what I requested.

Afterthought: I'm not trying to be a hard-ass, here -- honest. But my
thinking is that if there are *laws* about taking endangered species (from
woodpeckers to tigers, not just fish), they must be based on something
more organizationally authoritative than a local aquarium, however groovy
that local aquarium is. "You are sentenced to 3 years of community
service for keeping that blue-footed lake trout, because the Lake
Winnebago Aquarium says they're endangered", doesn't seem probable.
So I'm just looking for what that real authority might be.


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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:07:29 -0800, Blinky the Shark wrote:

> I'm not arguing that the orange roughy is not endangered. I honestly
> don't know. But it seems odd that my usual chain supermarket is selling
> it. That's why I'm asking for something more authoritative than what I've
> found so far.

CostCo has always sold it as well.

I do see articles that a endangered status was planned after some
tree-hugging group complained, but I don't see anything that made
it official.

I would think endangering/banning geoduck clams would come before
roughy.

-sw

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:42:48 -0800, Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Afterthought: I'm not trying to be a hard-ass, here -- honest. But my
> thinking is that if there are *laws* about taking endangered species (from
> woodpeckers to tigers, not just fish), they must be based on something
> more organizationally authoritative than a local aquarium, however groovy
> that local aquarium is. "You are sentenced to 3 years of community
> service for keeping that blue-footed lake trout, because the Lake
> Winnebago Aquarium says they're endangered", doesn't seem probable.
> So I'm just looking for what that real authority might be.

http://www.fws.gov/Endangered/wildlife.html

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:07:29 -0800, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> I'm not arguing that the orange roughy is not endangered. I honestly
>> don't know. But it seems odd that my usual chain supermarket is selling
>> it. That's why I'm asking for something more authoritative than what I've
>> found so far.
>
> CostCo has always sold it as well.
>
> I do see articles that a endangered status was planned after some
> tree-hugging group complained, but I don't see anything that made
> it official.
>
> I would think endangering/banning geoduck clams would come before
> roughy.

http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/

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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:02:43 -0800, Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I would think endangering/banning geoduck clams would come before
>> roughy.
>
> http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/

I'm sure land sharks are on the endangered list, too.

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:42:48 -0800, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Afterthought: I'm not trying to be a hard-ass, here -- honest. But my
>> thinking is that if there are *laws* about taking endangered species (from
>> woodpeckers to tigers, not just fish), they must be based on something
>> more organizationally authoritative than a local aquarium, however groovy
>> that local aquarium is. "You are sentenced to 3 years of community
>> service for keeping that blue-footed lake trout, because the Lake
>> Winnebago Aquarium says they're endangered", doesn't seem probable.
>> So I'm just looking for what that real authority might be.
>
> http://www.fws.gov/Endangered/wildlife.html

Excellent. Thanks for the legwork on that. Bookmarked.

568 species listed worldwide. No orange roughy. I wasn't asking for an
authority so I could prove them not listed; I just wanted an authority.
But they're not listed, regardless of my motivations.


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Sqwertz wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:02:43 -0800, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> I would think endangering/banning geoduck clams would come before
>>> roughy.
>>
>> http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/
>
> I'm sure land sharks are on the endangered list, too.

Shhhhh. We categorically deny their existence......

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In article .net>,
Blinky the Shark > wrote:

> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
> > Lou wrote:
> >
> >> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
> >> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
> >
> > I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
> > aware
> > that orange roughy is endangered?
>
> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
> chihuahuas!) will become so?

Here's the New Zealand list:

http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/best...cies/index.asp

Miche

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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote
>
>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>>> Lou wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>>
>>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
>>> aware
>>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>>
>> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered
>> species?
>> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>> chihuahuas!) will become so?
>
> The problem with orange roughy is that they don't mate until
> they are years old. I wouldn't buy it, it is endangered.
>
> nancy
I was very surprised to see orange roughy back on menus and in grocery
stores. Every store I knew couldn't get it anymore because it was
classified as endangered. Sorry, no citations, just what I recall from the
news.

Jill

Miche wrote:

> In article .net>,
> Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>
>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>> > Lou wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>> >> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>> >
>> > I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
>> > aware
>> > that orange roughy is endangered?
>>
>> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
>> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>> chihuahuas!) will become so?
>
> Here's the New Zealand list:
>
> http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/best...cies/index.asp

Thanks, Miche.

It's interesting that while they rank it as one of the worst fish to use,
their warnings don't contain the word "endangered". This looks like more
of the grey area I found online before I asked for an actual authority on
endangered species -- like many of the casual warnings I found online.
Which is what prompted me to ask about an authority on "endangered
species".

Wertz provided a link to a US governmental site that contains almost 600
endangered species around the world.


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"Blinky the Shark" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>
>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote
>>
>>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lou wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
>>>> aware
>>>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>>>
>>> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered
>>> species?
>>> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>>> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>>> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>>> chihuahuas!) will become so?
>>
>> The problem with orange roughy is that they don't mate until
>> they are years old. I wouldn't buy it, it is endangered.
>
> Cite, please. No, not a blog. An actual authority, as I requested.
> Again -- where are the authorities for endangered species?

I used endangered in the generic sense, not the legal sense. This
wikipekia entry uses better words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_roughy

nancy

I recall reading (somewhere) that Orange Roughy was considered a
"nuisance fish" or a "junk fish" having no commercial value. In fact,
I believe Auistralians called it a "slimehead."

And then—a name change!

This may not be true but it's an interesting story.

Pixmaker


On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:57:50 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Lou wrote:
>
>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>
>I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>that orange roughy is endangered?
>
>Bob

Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
> Miche wrote:
>
> > In article .net>,
> > Blinky the Shark > wrote:
> >
> >> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> >>
> >> > Lou wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
> >> >> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
> >> > aware
> >> > that orange roughy is endangered?
> >>
> >> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
> >> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
> >> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
> >> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
> >> chihuahuas!) will become so?
> >
> > Here's the New Zealand list:
> >
> > http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/best...cies/index.asp
>
> Thanks, Miche.
>
> It's interesting that while they rank it as one of the worst fish to use,
> their warnings don't contain the word "endangered". This looks like more
> of the grey area I found online before I asked for an actual authority on
> endangered species -- like many of the casual warnings I found online.
> Which is what prompted me to ask about an authority on "endangered
> species".
>
> Wertz provided a link to a US governmental site that contains almost 600
> endangered species around the world.
>
> --
> Blinky


And to confuse the issue even further, perhaps some fish get
mislabeled. For example, a lot of 'red snapper' listed in sushi
restaurants' menus tend to actually be 'talapia' and not even true red
snapper. Whether or not it's the restaurant scamming their patrons or
the distributors scamming the restaurants, it wasn't clear. This
expose' was something I saw on one of the main TV networks' (ABC, NBC,
or CBS) news show(s). But as with anything seen on TV or read in
general, I don't know how true this is or isn't.

Sky, who's landlocked too far from any ocean

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Pixmaker wrote:

> I recall reading (somewhere) that Orange Roughy was considered a
> "nuisance fish" or a "junk fish" having no commercial value. In fact,
> I believe Auistralians called it a "slimehead."
>
> And then—a name change!
>
> This may not be true but it's an interesting story.

I've seen several stories on the plague of asian carp in local rivers.
Not only do they out-compete indigenous species, they also have the
alarming habit of going airborn when startled, with numerous collisions
between boaters and large fish reported.

The commercial market for these fish is pretty limited. One proposal
was to sell them to the state prisons to feed to inmates. Another canny
fellow suggested re-naming the species "silver salmon", at which point
they'd be able to charge a fortune for them.

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:57:50 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Lou wrote:
>
>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>
>I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>that orange roughy is endangered?
>
>Bob

i think that particular orange roughy has gone beyond endangered.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:23:12 -0800, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>> Lou wrote:
>>
>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>
>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>
>Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
>What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>chihuahuas!) will become so?

it's hard to get bonobo meat these days.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:22:02 -0800, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:02:43 -0800, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would think endangering/banning geoduck clams would come before
>>>> roughy.
>>>
>>> http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/
>>
>> I'm sure land sharks are on the endangered list, too.
>
>Shhhhh. We categorically deny their existence......

i don't mind land sharks, but i wish they'd stay out of the
handicapped spaces.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:27:38 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:57:50 -0800, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>> Lou wrote:
>>
>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>
>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>
>*All* fish are indanger. In danger of landing on my plate at
>dinner time.
>
>I'd bet there's more orange roughy in the ocean than there are
>people on Earth.
>
>-sw

A fish won't do anything but swim in a brook
He can't write his name or read a book
And to fool the people is his only thought
Though he slippery - he still gets caught
But then if that sort of life is what you wish
You may grow up to be a fish

your hairy pal,
blake

Sky wrote on Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:18:49 -0600:


S> And to confuse the issue even further, perhaps some fish get
S> mislabeled. For example, a lot of 'red snapper' listed in
S> sushi restaurants' menus tend to actually be 'talapia' and
S> not even true red snapper. Whether or not it's the
S> restaurant scamming their patrons or the distributors
S> scamming the restaurants, it wasn't clear. This expose' was
S> something I saw on one of the main TV networks' (ABC, NBC,
S> or CBS) news show(s). But as with anything seen on TV or
S> read in general, I don't know how true this is or isn't.

I've never thought of "red snapper" as one of my favorite sushi
fishes. I can't say whether or not tilapia is substituted but I
don't like cooked tilapia much. I've even had it fished out of a
tank and cooked then and there in a Chinese restautant but I
can't say I'd bother again. Incidentally, for those without sea
access, tilapia is a fast growing fish that the Chinese used to
raise while the rice paddies were flooded, I believe.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:57:50 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Lou wrote:
>
>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>
>I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>that orange roughy is endangered?
>
>Bob

I didn't know that. But it sure is an interesting tread. <eg>

Lou

Janet Baraclough wrote:

> The message .net> from
> Blinky the Shark > contains these words:
>
>> 568 species listed worldwide. No orange roughy. I wasn't asking for
>> an authority so I could prove them not listed; I just wanted an
>> authority. But they're not listed, regardless of my motivations.
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/scriptfi...03/1230-05.htm (and
> scroll for more links)

As we have seen in other links in this thread, the orange roughy is
described as being in trouble (on this page, the language is "in
jeopardy"), but is not assigned to the category "endangered species". I
can only reason that this is because it is, in fact, not yet designated
so.

Again, I'm not promoting the taking of orange roughy, and I'm not
disputing that it may be in some degree of trouble. I'm only trying to
keep perspective on all of the sites that warn about it versus the lack of
any authoritative organizations that I've seen that formally label it as
one of the world's true "endangered species".


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Nancy Young wrote:

>
> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote
>>>
>>>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lou wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>>>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
>>>>> aware
>>>>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>>>>
>>>> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered
>>>> species?
>>>> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>>>> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>>>> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>>>> chihuahuas!) will become so?
>>>
>>> The problem with orange roughy is that they don't mate until
>>> they are years old. I wouldn't buy it, it is endangered.
>>
>> Cite, please. No, not a blog. An actual authority, as I requested.
>> Again -- where are the authorities for endangered species?
>
> I used endangered in the generic sense, not the legal sense. This
> wikipekia entry uses better words.

That would explain why nobody's produced an actual cite that it is an
actual endangered species. Thanks for getting back on this.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_roughy

I've been looking up orange roughys until I'm blue in the face; I'll
assume that that's like all the others, which warn of a predicament for
the species without using the established term "endangered".


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Pixmaker wrote:

> I recall reading (somewhere) that Orange Roughy was considered a
> "nuisance fish" or a "junk fish" having no commercial value. In fact,
> I believe Auistralians called it a "slimehead."

Well, someone does -- I ran across that name in the research I've been
doing. How appealing!

"What's for dinner?"

"Slimehead."

"Hey! What did I do this time?!"


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