http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4OG...eature=related

Take a look on your shelves.

ted

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT), Ted >
wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4OG...eature=related
>
>Take a look on your shelves.
>
>ted

Better than eating beef passed by the FDA (which you pay for also). At
least with kosher food you know the inspector faces eternal damnation if
you fails to do is job properly.

http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp

"Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secrete tax
to the Jews.

"Status: False."

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One time on Usenet, (Jonathan Kamens) said:

> http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp
>
> "Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secrete tax
> to the Jews.
>
> "Status: False."

Oh good -- no one should pay a tax on secretions...

--
Jani in WA

Jonathan Kamens wrote:
> http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp
>
> "Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secrete tax
> to the Jews.
>
> "Status: False."

The Snopes.com article mentions that some who keep strict Kosher will
"go so far" as to have two sets of everything so as not to mix meat and
dairy... great-grandma had two kitchens to serve the same purpose!

Pennyaline > wrote
> Jonathan Kamens wrote

>> http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp

>> "Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of grocery items signify that their manufacturers
>> have paid a secrete tax to the Jews.

>> "Status: False."

> The Snopes.com article mentions that some who keep strict Kosher will "go so far" as to have two sets of everything so
> as not to mix meat
> and dairy... great-grandma had two kitchens to serve the same purpose!

Plenty of those fool still do that today.

Jonathan Kamens <Jonathan Kamens >>
wrote:

> http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp
>
> "Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secrete tax
> to the Jews.
>
> "Status: False."

I prefer to call it extortion, but it's all in the name of God
so it must be OK.

Extortion is what it is.

-sw

pavane <pavane >> wrote:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message ...
>| Jonathan Kamens <Jonathan Kamens >>
>| wrote:
>|
>|> http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp
>|>
>|> "Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
>|> grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secrete tax
>|> to the Jews.
>|>
>|> "Status: False."
>|
>| I prefer to call it extortion, but it's all in the name of God
>| so it must be OK.
>|
>| Extortion is what it is.
>
> We are glad that you set us straight on that. It is good to have
> a definitive explanation that a few thousand years of religious
> and traditional history are extortion. Thank you for your service
> to humanity.

What else would you call these private corporations set up to
certify your products kosher for large, reoccurring fees, or else be
subjected to a boycott by the Jewish community?

If it was truly for religious reasons, wouldn't it be done on a
volunteer basis as an act of goodwill?

There doesn't seem to be any basis for these arbitrary dietary laws
in the first place, except to keep you aware of your faith and the
threat of going to hell if you don't obey these laws.

-sw

On Mar 14, 9:23*pm, "pavane" > wrote:
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in ...
>
> | Jonathan Kamens <Jonathan Kamens >>| wrote:
>
> |
> | >http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp
> | >
> | > "Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> | > grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secrete tax
> | > to the Jews.
> | >
> | > "Status: False."
> |
> | I prefer to call it extortion, but it's all in the name of God
> | so it must be OK.
> |
> | Extortion is what it is.
>
> We are glad that you set us straight on that. *It is good to have
> a definitive explanation that a few thousand years of religious
> and traditional history are extortion. *Thank you for your service
> to humanity.

It isn't just the Jews, Muslims, Christians, but all other of the "few
thousand years of religious and traditional history [that] are
extortion." The Abrahamic ones are about the same as all the others.
They all stress obedience to the dominant order, and many threaten
with eternal damnation if you don't tow the line. Not like modern
Atheistic ones are better, Stalin, Pol Pot.

To paraphrase Bowie, "This ain't extortion. This is genocide!"
Remember the Amalekites? "...but slay both man and woman, infant and
suckling."
>
> pavane

--Bryan

Sqwertz > wrote:
> pavane <pavane >> wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Jonathan Kamens <Jonathan Kamens >>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp
>>>>
>>>> "Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
>>>> grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secrete
>>>> tax to the Jews.
>>>>
>>>> "Status: False."
>>>
>>> I prefer to call it extortion, but it's all in the name of God
>>> so it must be OK.

>>> Extortion is what it is.

>> We are glad that you set us straight on that. It is good to have a
>> definitive explanation that a few thousand years of religious and
>> traditional history are extortion. Thank you for your service to humanity.

> What else would you call these private corporations set up
> to certify your products kosher for large, reoccurring fees,
> or else be subjected to a boycott by the Jewish community?

Providing a service to fools that believe that some damned
god or other has specified what they can or cannot eat etc.

> If it was truly for religious reasons, wouldn't it be
> done on a volunteer basis as an act of goodwill?

Cant think of any that are done like that.

You dont get funerals or christenings or marraiges for free etc.

> There doesn't seem to be any basis for these arbitrary dietary
> laws in the first place, except to keep you aware of your faith
> and the threat of going to hell if you don't obey these laws.

Doesnt make it extortion.

Rod Speed <Rod Speed >> wrote:

> Sqwertz > wrote:
>
>> If it was truly for religious reasons, wouldn't it be
>> done on a volunteer basis as an act of goodwill?
>
> Cant think of any that are done like that.

What's your address? I'll have some Jehovah's and Mormons come over
and chat with your for a few hours and asses your religious needs.
For free!

I guess the difference is that Jewish people are already 'in'.

> You dont get funerals or christenings or marraiges for free etc.

Yeah - I'm a big fan of all these religious practices.

> Doesnt make it extortion.

Obtaining payment from another by threat of harm is certainly
extortion.

-sw

Sqwertz > wrote
> Rod Speed >> wrote
>> Sqwertz > wrote:

>>> If it was truly for religious reasons, wouldn't it be
>>> done on a volunteer basis as an act of goodwill?

>> Cant think of any that are done like that.
>
> What's your address? I'll have some Jehovah's and Mormons come over
> and chat with your for a few hours and asses your religious needs.
> For free!

Nothing like what was being discussed.

> I guess the difference is that Jewish people are already 'in'.

So its nothing like what was being discussed.

>> You dont get funerals or christenings or marraiges for free etc.

> Yeah - I'm a big fan of all these religious practices.

Irrelevant to whether kosher is extortion.

>> Doesnt make it extortion.

> Obtaining payment from another by threat of harm is certainly extortion.

Pity kosher is nothing like that, just stupid.

"Sqwertz" > wrote :
>
> I guess the difference is that Jewish people are already 'in'.
>
>> You dont get funerals or christenings or marraiges for free etc.
>
> Yeah - I'm a big fan of all these religious practices.

....though I doubt you've been to very many Jewish christenings...

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:24:03 -0700, Robert Klute >
wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT), Ted >
>wrote:
>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4OG...eature=related
>>
>>Take a look on your shelves.
>>
>>ted
>
>Better than eating beef passed by the FDA (which you pay for also). At
>least with kosher food you know the inspector faces eternal damnation if
>you fails to do is job properly.

i thought jews didn't go in for this 'eternal damnation' jazz.

your pal,
blake

"John Weiss" wrote:
> "Sqwertz" wrote :
>
> > I guess the difference is that Jewish people are already 'in'.
>
> >> You dont get funerals or christenings or marraiges for free etc.
>
> > Yeah - I'm a big fan of all these religious practices.
>
> ...though I doubt you've been to very many Jewish christenings...

Isn't a Jewish christening where everyone fresses honey cake and
guzzles schnapps while they snip off the tip of your peepee?

On Mar 14, 11:00�pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> pavane <pavane >> wrote:
> > "Sqwertz" > wrote in ...
> >| Jonathan Kamens <Jonathan Kamens >>
> >| wrote:
> >|
> >|>http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp
> >|>
> >|> "Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> >|> grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secrete tax
> >|> to the Jews.
> >|>
> >|> "Status: False."
> >|
> >| I prefer to call it extortion, but it's all in the name of God
> >| so it must be OK.
> >|
> >| Extortion is what it is.
>
> > We are glad that you set us straight on that. �It is good to have
> > a definitive explanation that a few thousand years of religious
> > and traditional history are extortion. �Thank you for your service
> > to humanity.
>
> What else would you call these private corporations set up to
> certify your products kosher for large, reoccurring fees, or else be
> subjected to a boycott by the Jewish community?
>
> If it was truly for religious reasons, wouldn't it be done on a
> volunteer basis as an act of goodwill?
>
> There doesn't seem to be any basis for these arbitrary dietary laws
> in the first place, except to keep you aware of your faith and the
> threat of going to hell if you don't obey these laws.

There's no extra costs for keeping kosher, most foods on stupidmarket
shelves are kosher by default anyway and it costs nothing extra to
refrain from consuming non kosher foods and mixing meat with dairy.
And most who claim to eat kosher meats don't, there are very few
kosher butchers anymore... many go through the motions of salting is
all, same as before there was ever a kosher butcher shop... kosher is
primarily a mindset, a very plastic mindset that stretches as far as
one chooses.... it's really like kids playing marbles, folks make up
new rules and bend the old rules on the spot as they go. Kosher costs
nothing extra.

The only time one pays more for kosher is eating at restuarants, but
then all specialty restaurants are expensive.

On Mar 15, 4:20�pm, jdoe > wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mar 14, 11:00?pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> >> pavane <pavane >> wrote:
> >> > "Sqwertz" > wrote in ...
> >> >| Jonathan Kamens <Jonathan Kamens >>
> >> >| wrote:
> >> >|
> >> >|>http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp
> >> >|>
> >> >|> "Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> >> >|> grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secrete tax
> >> >|> to the Jews.
> >> >|>
> >> >|> "Status: False."
> >> >|
> >> >| I prefer to call it extortion, but it's all in the name of God
> >> >| so it must be OK.
> >> >|
> >> >| Extortion is what it is.
>
> >> > We are glad that you set us straight on that. ?It is good to have
> >> > a definitive explanation that a few thousand years of religious
> >> > and traditional history are extortion. ?Thank you for your service
> >> > to humanity.
>
> >> What else would you call these private corporations set up to
> >> certify your products kosher for large, reoccurring fees, or else be
> >> subjected to a boycott by the Jewish community?
>
> >> If it was truly for religious reasons, wouldn't it be done on a
> >> volunteer basis as an act of goodwill?
>
> >> There doesn't seem to be any basis for these arbitrary dietary laws
> >> in the first place, except to keep you aware of your faith and the
> >> threat of going to hell if you don't obey these laws.
>
> >There's no extra costs for keeping kosher, most foods on stupidmarket
> >shelves are kosher by default anyway and it costs nothing extra to
> >refrain from consuming non kosher foods and mixing meat with dairy.
> >And most who claim to eat kosher meats don't, there are very few
> >kosher butchers anymore... many go through the motions of salting is
> >all, same as before there was ever a kosher butcher shop... kosher is
> >primarily a mindset, a very plastic mindset that stretches as far as
> >one chooses.... it's really like kids playing marbles, folks make up
> >new rules and bend the old rules on the spot as they go. �Kosher costs
> >nothing extra.
>
> >The only time one pays more for kosher is eating at restuarants, but
> >then all specialty restaurants are expensive.
>
> the voice of ignorance


jdoe/sqwertz... the voice of cocksucking... mmmffffgghufffe...

Sheldon <Sheldon >> wrote:

> There's no extra costs for keeping kosher, most foods on stupidmarket
> shelves are kosher by default anyway and it costs nothing extra to
> refrain from consuming non kosher foods and mixing meat with dairy.

Everyone is paying the Kosher Tax - even those of us who don't care
about keeping kosher. And as you note, most food is already kosher
anyway, but the manufacturers still have to pay for their
certifications for these "default kosher" products.

> Kosher costs nothing extra.

Yes, it does. Like advertising, the costs of certifying your
products kosher is passed along to the consumers.

-sw

On Mar 12, 4:25*pm, Ted > wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4OG...eature=related
>
> Take a look on your shelves.
>

Yes, Rockwell is right in his defense of Communism: only capitalism
alows you to buy Kosher foods. Under Stalin, it was forbidden to
manufacture foods with those ugly and disturbing letters "U" and "K"
on them. Only filthy capialists let you choose for yourself if you
want to eat foods inspected by rabbies, mullahs and priests or not.
What can be more disgusting than the freedom of choice?

Boycott capitalist food! Eat only food with clear labels: "Inspected
and licenced by David Duke and the Dragons of KKK." The price is a bit
higher than competitors' but well worth it: part of the proceeds goes
to speading hatered across the world, burning crosses on coloured
lawns, lynching and death camp construction.

On Mar 14, 6:56*pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> Jonathan Kamens <Jonathan Kamens >>
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp
>
> > "Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
> > grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secrete tax
> > to the Jews.
>
> > "Status: False."
>
> I prefer to call it extortion, but it's all in the name of God
> so it must be OK.
>
> Extortion is what it is.
>

That's what it is: pure extortion at gun point!

I wanted to buy canned peas the other day. Because I am diabetic, I
don't want sugar in them. But every can in the store had sugar in it.
And I had to pay extra for that sugar!

And whose fault is it? Jews, those damn Jews! I bet sugar is kosher
(even though most labels don't say so) and some rabbi has made
$trillions of dollars charging me for the sugar in my peas.

No, wait! I just found a can with no sugar in it. But it says:
"Kosher". No, I will not buy it. I prefer to die from eating sugared
non-Kosher peas than to pay $trillions to the extortionist rabbis for
my peas. And so do all other sweet pea-brained judophobes at
psychiatric hospitals all over the world.

P.S. Good news. I ended up eating those sugar-free peas after all:
some extortionist rabbi just came to my house and forced me to eat
them at gun point. I am gonna live! Le Chaim!

BTW, "Diabetes" - isn't that a Jewish name? I know "Sugar" is. Short
for Sugarman-Zuckerman. What disgusting bitter names Jews have!
"Mandelbaum" is the worst. When I heard, I stopped eating almonds.
Now I eat only pea-nuts (and those tiny peas have even tinier nuts!)
and only at gun-point. Even bought myself a gun and a microscope. They
help me eat peanuts, gratify myself, and defend us (yes, I am not
alone: I live with some friendly aryan tapeworms and several alter
egos, some openly suffering from paranoia, some - too afraid to admit)
from the ZOG, usually contemporaneously. My shrink liked the idea too.
A nice guy. A real German Aryan name. Siegmund Freud. Discovered
peanut envy in one of my less-endowed alter egos. Sieg, heil! What
freud!

Sqwertz > wrote
> Sheldon <Sheldon >> wrote

>> There's no extra costs for keeping kosher, most foods on stupidmarket
>> shelves are kosher by default anyway and it costs nothing extra to
>> refrain from consuming non kosher foods and mixing meat with dairy.

> Everyone is paying the Kosher Tax - even those
> of us who don't care about keeping kosher.

Nope, see the snopes refutation of that lie.

> And as you note, most food is already kosher anyway,

So the bulk of it doesnt even need to be certified.

> but the manufacturers still have to pay for their
> certifications for these "default kosher" products.

Wrong, as always.

>> Kosher costs nothing extra.

> Yes, it does.

No it doesnt.

> Like advertising, the costs of certifying your products
> kosher is passed along to the consumers.

Pity you dont have to get it certified kosher.

Rod Speed <Rod Speed >> wrote:

> Sqwertz > wrote
>
>> Everyone is paying the Kosher Tax - even those
>> of us who don't care about keeping kosher.
>
> Nope, see the snopes refutation of that lie.

They do not refute it. Note that I'm not claiming the money is
going to fund secret Jewish organizations. It does indeed raise the
cost of goods just like any other expense the manufacturer much
endure. And Snopes/Wiki clearly admit this.

>> And as you note, most food is already kosher anyway,
>
> So the bulk of it doesnt even need to be certified.

But it is anyway.

>> but the manufacturers still have to pay for their
>> certifications for these "default kosher" products.
>
> Wrong, as always.

Whatever you say. This is the end of my conversation with you.

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> Sheldon <Sheldon >> wrote:
>
> > Kosher costs nothing extra.
>
> Yes, it does. Like advertising, the costs of certifying your
> products kosher is passed along to the consumers.
>
> -sw

So then be sure to buy the items that are not certified kosher.
There are plenty of them out there. Be sure to tell us if
they're any cheap than the ones that are certified kosher (and I
don't mean meat items that are obviously going to be more
expensive if they're kosher).

Bill

wrote:
> On Mar 14, 6:56 pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
>> Jonathan Kamens <Jonathan Kamens >>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.asp
>>> "Claim: Certain symbols displayed on the packaging of a variety of
>>> grocery items signify that their manufacturers have paid a secrete tax
>>> to the Jews.
>>> "Status: False."
>> I prefer to call it extortion, but it's all in the name of God
>> so it must be OK.
>>
>> Extortion is what it is.
>>
>
> That's what it is: pure extortion at gun point!
>
> I wanted to buy canned peas the other day. Because I am diabetic, I
> don't want sugar in them. But every can in the store had sugar in it.
> And I had to pay extra for that sugar!
>
Karla I sympathize with your health problem. I had a couple of acquaintances
who suffered with diabetes. The first one was about fifty years old. He was
a bachelor, but did have relatives in the area. He was a rather proud and
self reliant man. He developed cataracts and was scheduled to go in for
surgery. This was in the early 1970s. He became morbidly concerned that he
would become a burden on his relatives. He bought a shotgun from one of the
coworkers at the office, meticulously cleaned up his apartment, and then
on the day that he was supposed to check into the hospital committed suicide.
The second man, he was the director of the UNC computing center, my boss.
He was also a bachelor, whose parents lived up in Cleveland.
Slowly the disease destroyed his mind. He became paranoid. He was relieved
of his position and sent on medical leave. He did not take proper care of
himself and apparently did not tell his folks. Finally someone informed them.
They came down here. He locked himself in his house and also committed
suicide. The third man was being looked after by his aged father, a doctor.
When his father died, he had no one to take care of him. His family tried
but he lived apart and also did not look after himself. The disease destroyed
his mind. He literally starved himself to death. The fourth man I met in the
chronic care facility where I went to visit my mother. He developed gangrenous
foot infections. That's why he was in the hospital. He was operated and
several months later died.
So be careful. Do not disregard your medication. Diabetes has a way of sneaking
up on your sanity.
>
> And whose fault is it? Jews, those damn Jews! I bet sugar is kosher
> (even though most labels don't say so) and some rabbi has made
> $trillions of dollars charging me for the sugar in my peas.
>
> No, wait! I just found a can with no sugar in it. But it says:
> "Kosher". No, I will not buy it. I prefer to die from eating sugared
> non-Kosher peas than to pay $trillions to the extortionist rabbis for
> my peas. And so do all other sweet pea-brained judophobes at
> psychiatric hospitals all over the world.
>
> P.S. Good news. I ended up eating those sugar-free peas after all:
> some extortionist rabbi just came to my house and forced me to eat
> them at gun point. I am gonna live! Le Chaim!
>
> BTW, "Diabetes" - isn't that a Jewish name? I know "Sugar" is. Short
> for Sugarman-Zuckerman. What disgusting bitter names Jews have!
> "Mandelbaum" is the worst. When I heard, I stopped eating almonds.
> Now I eat only pea-nuts (and those tiny peas have even tinier nuts!)
> and only at gun-point. Even bought myself a gun and a microscope. They
> help me eat peanuts, gratify myself, and defend us (yes, I am not
> alone: I live with some friendly aryan tapeworms and several alter
> egos, some openly suffering from paranoia, some - too afraid to admit)
> from the ZOG, usually contemporaneously. My shrink liked the idea too.
> A nice guy. A real German Aryan name. Siegmund Freud. Discovered
> peanut envy in one of my less-endowed alter egos. Sieg, heil! What
> freud!

We know that you are Jewish and can understand that the rest of your
posting is meant to be cynical.
--
Rostyk

On Mar 15, 7:15�pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
> Rod Speed <Rod Speed >> wrote:
>
> > Sqwertz > wrote
>
> >> Everyone is paying the Kosher Tax - even those
> >> of us who don't care about keeping kosher.
>
> > Nope, see the snopes refutation of that lie.
>
> They do not refute it. �Note that I'm not claiming the money is
> going to fund secret Jewish organizations. �It does indeed raise the
> cost of goods just like any other expense the manufacturer much
> endure. �And Snopes/Wiki clearly admit this.
>
> >> And as you note, most food is already kosher anyway,
>
> > So the bulk of it doesnt even need to be certified.
>
> But it is anyway.
>
> >> but the manufacturers still have to pay for their
> >> certifications for these "default kosher" products.
>
> > Wrong, as always.
>
> Whatever you say. �This is the end of my conversation with you.
>
> -sw

You're behaving like kosher is a very recent invention, with all kinds
of seals, brands, and tattoos, none of which existed a hundred years
ago and really mean little... those marks are for those jews who only
pretend to keep kosher... those who spend their entire life striving
for strictly kosher pay no attention to what some entity says, they
make their own kosher and only trust their own kashering... they trust
those little markings on packaging like I trust preground mystery
meat.

What constitutes kosher is a nonsensical discussion, no two jews agree
on how kosher is kosher enough... and they all make exceptions even
for their own concepts... kosher is dynamic.... probably the oldest
and most argued concept on the planet.

Sqwertz > wrote
> Rod Speed >> wrote
>> Sqwertz > wrote

>>> Everyone is paying the Kosher Tax - even those
>>> of us who don't care about keeping kosher.

>> Nope, see the snopes refutation of that lie.

> They do not refute it.

Yes they do.

> Note that I'm not claiming the money is going to fund secret
> Jewish organizations. It does indeed raise the cost of goods
> just like any other expense the manufacturer much endure.

No it doesnt.

> And Snopes/Wiki clearly admit this.

Nope.

>>> And as you note, most food is already kosher anyway,

>> So the bulk of it doesnt even need to be certified.

> But it is anyway.

Nope.

>>> but the manufacturers still have to pay for their
>>> certifications for these "default kosher" products.

>> Wrong, as always.

> Whatever you say. This is the end of my conversation with you.

Great, there is only so much mindless shit of yours anyone should have to put up with.

Bill wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
> > Sheldon <Sheldon >> wrote:
>
> > > Kosher costs nothing extra.
>
> > Yes, it does. �Like advertising, the costs of certifying your
> > products kosher is passed along to the consumers.
>
> So then be sure to buy the items that are not certified kosher.
> There are plenty of them out there. Be sure to tell us if
> they're any cheap than the ones that are certified kosher (and I
> don't mean meat items that are obviously going to be more
> expensive if they're kosher).

All advertising costs, kosher products or not.. I don't think any of
the fast food joints are kosher yet they have an avertising budget
that rivals the GNP.

Actually meat from a kosher butcher is no more expensive than meat
from a non kosher butcher, in fact you can pay much more for specific
cuts and USDA grades of beef than for kosher beef.... cuts from the
rib and loin typically cost more than kosher cuts which are from the
chuck.... yoose gotta compare apples with apples, not apples with
oranges. You can pay just as much if not more for non kosher tube
steak and horse cock* as kosher, just gotta compare equal quality.
Meats from a German butcher and Dago Pork store will cost more than
from a kosher butcher.

*Horse cock refers to large sausage like salamis, balognas, etal.

Sheldon Mortadella
http://www.lifeinitaly.com/food/Mortadella.asp

On Mar 15, 10:51�pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > Actually meat from a kosher butcher is no more expensive than meat
> > from a non kosher butcher, in fact you can pay much more for specific
> > cuts and USDA grades of beef than for kosher beef.... �cuts from the
> > rib and loin typically cost more than kosher cuts which are from the
> > chuck.... yoose gotta compare apples with apples, not apples with
> > oranges. �You can pay just as much if not more for non kosher tube
> > steak and horse cock* as kosher, just gotta compare equal quality.
>
> When I was reading books about the meat-processing
> industry, that was one of the ideas that occurred to me.
>
> According to what I read, only the forequarters of beef
> meeting kosher standards are used to make kosher meat.
> Hindquarters from properly handled animal carcasses
> technically could be butchered into kosher meat, but that
> would require extensive dissection of the meat to remove
> the major blood vessels, which would require a lot of
> additional labor and mutilate the product.
>
> It seems to me that this meat which meets kosher standards,
> except for this formality about the major blood vessels,
> should be some of the best meat, and that hindquarters from
> these carcasses should have a premium (albeit non-kosher)
> value.
>
> So, how can I get this meat? �Do kosher butchers conduct
> a quiet trade in high-quality meat that fails a strict
> religious test for kosher-ness?

Kosher butcher shops buy only the hanging portion of the forequarter
that they can use... they don't bring the disallowed portion into
their shop. I was about 14 years old before I realized there is such
a thing as porterhouse steak.

I guess we a (cats and I) ate a sinful meal tonight, eye round, with
roasted spuds... these spuds from Sam's Club weighed nearly two pounds
each, so I quartered them, half a potato was still a lot. I cut the
fat off the roast and put it aside thinking after dinner I'd toss it
out in the yard as breakfast for the crows in the AM... but then I
realized Jilly was awfully quite when all at once I knew, there she
was in a corner munching that fat, got it away before she did much
damage... Jilly is like a spoiled two year old, whenever she's quiet
you can bet she's up to no good.

Pic was an after thought so is not a great rendition:
http://i30.tinypic.com/fw698o.jpg

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
What constitutes kosher is a nonsensical discussion, no two jews agree
on how kosher is kosher enough... and they all make exceptions even
for their own concepts... kosher is dynamic.... probably the oldest
and most argued concept on the planet.

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I remember as a kid (50+ years ago) we'd go to the Jewish deli on Sunday to
get luncheon meats. They had the best ham around. It was sliced on a
separate machine far from the main counter.

Edwin Pawlowski <Edwin Pawlowski >> wrote:

> I remember as a kid (50+ years ago) we'd go to the Jewish deli on Sunday to
> get luncheon meats. They had the best ham around. It was sliced on a
> separate machine far from the main counter.

Kosher ham?

-sw

Sheldon <Sheldon >> wrote:

> Kosher butcher shops buy only the hanging portion of the forequarter
> that they can use... they don't bring the disallowed portion into
> their shop. I was about 14 years old before I realized there is such
> a thing as porterhouse steak.

Yet you have steadfastly denied that you're Jewish and that your
last name is Katz...

-sw

Sheldon wrote:
>
> Actually meat from a kosher butcher is no more expensive than meat
> from a non kosher butcher, in fact you can pay much more for specific
> cuts and USDA grades of beef than for kosher beef.... cuts from the
> rib and loin typically cost more than kosher cuts which are from the
> chuck.... yoose gotta compare apples with apples, not apples with
> oranges. You can pay just as much if not more for non kosher tube
> steak and horse cock* as kosher, just gotta compare equal quality.

When I was reading books about the meat-processing
industry, that was one of the ideas that occurred to me.

According to what I read, only the forequarters of beef
meeting kosher standards are used to make kosher meat.
Hindquarters from properly handled animal carcasses
technically could be butchered into kosher meat, but that
would require extensive dissection of the meat to remove
the major blood vessels, which would require a lot of
additional labor and mutilate the product.

It seems to me that this meat which meets kosher standards,
except for this formality about the major blood vessels,
should be some of the best meat, and that hindquarters from
these carcasses should have a premium (albeit non-kosher)
value.

So, how can I get this meat? Do kosher butchers conduct
a quiet trade in high-quality meat that fails a strict
religious test for kosher-ness?

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
> "John Weiss" wrote:
>> "Sqwertz" wrote :
>>
>> > I guess the difference is that Jewish people are already 'in'.
>>
>> >> You dont get funerals or christenings or marraiges for free etc.
>>
>> > Yeah - I'm a big fan of all these religious practices.
>>
>> ...though I doubt you've been to very many Jewish christenings...
>
> Isn't a Jewish christening where everyone fresses honey cake and
> guzzles schnapps while they snip off the tip of your peepee?

Son of a bitch.... Is that what happened to lil Shelly?

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> I remember as a kid (50+ years ago) we'd go to the Jewish deli
> on Sunday to get luncheon meats. They had the best ham around.
> It was sliced on a separate machine far from the main counter.

Yes, separate surfaces for kosher and non-kosher.
That would explain half of the knives in those
cheap stainless steel knife sets from China.

Or maybe not.

jdoe wrote:
>
> I don't think that was a kosher butcher you were going to,
> pork in any form is not kosher

Pig-skin-derived gelatin is commonly legally marketed
as "kosher".

Sqwertz > writes:
>I prefer to call it extortion, but it's all in the name of God
>so it must be OK.
>
>Extortion is what it is.

The companies that pay for their products to be certified kosher, do so
because they make more money with the certification than they do
without. If they didn't make more money, they wouldn't pay for the
certification.

If other companies could make the same products without kosher
certification and sell them for less money, then such companies and
uncertified products would exist, because market forces would demand
them.

I realize that this point is probably lost on you, since you probably
believe that Jews control private industry, the stock market, etc., and
use their control to nefariously prevent real capitalism from
flourishing in this country, to the detriment of "real" Americans like
you. Nevertheless, I make the point anyway, for those who aren't so
blinded by moronic anti-semitism that they are actually able to
understand the fact that the capitalist nature of our economy disproves
this absurd conspiracy theory.

Sqwertz > writes:
>Obtaining payment from another by threat of harm is certainly
>extortion.

Obtaining payment from another for a service rendered is not extortion.
Companies that do not wish to have their products certified kosher do
not need to avail themselves of the service offered by the
certification agencies and thus do not need to pay for it. Ther eis no
"threat."

Products that are not certified kosher are not purchased by Jews who
care about such things. This is not a "boycott," it is capitalism in
action.

It is patently ludicrous to assert that people are somehow obligated to
buy products that they don't want, and that their failure to do so
causes "harm" to the manufacturer for which the non-buyer is
responsible.

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Sqwertz wrote:
> Sheldon > wrote:
> > Kosher butcher shops buy only the hanging portion of the forequarter
> > that they can use... they don't bring the disallowed portion into
> > their shop. �I was about 14 years old before I realized there is such
> > a thing as porterhouse steak.
>
> Yet you have steadfastly denied that you're Jewish and that your
> last name is Katz...

You're wrong... sqwertz the shit stirrer is just being his typical
smarmy self... I never denied being of Jewish heritage... in fact I've
often written about my grand parents owning a kosher deli, however as
an adult I don't subscribe to any religion, in fact I didn't as a
youngster, I invented the rebelious kid. But my last name is not
Katz. My last name is Martin, it's always been Martin. Unlike so
many others I use my real name here, always have... I don't hide who I
am... but I know with no hesitation that all the mungers and morphers
are lying cowardly *******s who I don't want to know... as soon as I
see a pseudonym my gut tells me untrustworthy douchebag (may as well
be wearing a bag over their head), and my gut has never been wrong...
those who post their backsides at the rfc mugshots are slime, I shit
on them, and they deserve it... actually I really wonder about the
integrity of the person who literally posts ass pictures, purty low on
the trustworthy scale.

Sheldon > writes:
>There's no extra costs for keeping kosher,

Hogwash. Kosher meat is more expensive, because it is produced in
lower volume, because the people doing the slaughtering in the kosher
slaughterhouses are better paid, because extra salaries are paid to the
rabbis supervising the slaughtering, because the process of koshering
the meat adds labor and material costs, because the rules for
transporting kosher meat are complicated and cause additional expense,
and probably for a number of other raesons I'm forgetting.

It's patently ludicrous to assert otherwise. Just one of the reasons
mentioned above, the fact that more time is required to prepare kosher
meat to be sold than is required for non-kosher meat, proves that
kosher meat is inherently more expensive due to labor costs, if nothing
else.

Kosher cheese is also more expensive, primarily due to increased labor
costs and lower volume.

Generally speaking, only people who keep kosher buy kosher meat and
kosher cheese, exactly because they are more expensive and there is
less variety in the meats. This, of course, is yet another proof that
the "kosher tax" conspiracy theory is absurd -- because the companies
that manufacture meat and cheese products would make less money if
their products were certified, they're not.

There are some people who like the taste of kosher chicken and kosher
all-beef hot dogs better than their non-kosher varieties and therefore
go out of their way to buy them, even though they're more expensive.
This is YET ANOTHER proof that the "kosher tax" conspiracy theory is
absurd -- where there are real differences between kosher and
non-kosher products, there are actually people who go out of their way
to buy the more expensive kosher varieties. Isn't it lovely how
capitalism works?

>And most who claim to eat kosher meats don't, there are very few
>kosher butchers anymore... many go through the motions of salting is
>all, same as before there was ever a kosher butcher shop... kosher is
>primarily a mindset, a very plastic mindset that stretches as far as
>one chooses.... it's really like kids playing marbles, folks make up
>new rules and bend the old rules on the spot as they go. Kosher costs
>nothing extra.
>
>The only time one pays more for kosher is eating at restuarants, but
>then all specialty restaurants are expensive.

I don't know where you get all this crap from, or the crap about
keeping kosher in your other postings in this thread, but the fact of
the matter is that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
There are kosher butchers in pretty much every significant Jewish
community in the world. It's pretty easy for any Jew living in a
Jewish community of any size to get kosher meat. Very few people salt
their own meat anymore except in a vew small, extremely religious
communities scattered throughout the world (e.g., New York City,
Baltimore, Jerusalem). Most communities in which keeping kosher is
normal keep a common standard of kosher adhered to by the members of
that community.

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Jonathan Kamens wrote:
> Sqwertz > writes:
> >I prefer to call it extortion, but it's all in the name of God
> >so it must be OK.
>
> >Extortion is what it is.
>
> The companies that pay for their products to be certified kosher, do so
> because they make more money with the certification than they do
> without. �If they didn't make more money, they wouldn't pay for the
> certification.
>
> If other companies could make the same products without kosher
> certification and sell them for less money, then such companies and
> uncertified products would exist, because market forces would demand
> them.
>
> I realize that this point is probably lost on you, since you probably
> believe that Jews control private industry, the stock market, etc., and
> use their control to nefariously prevent real capitalism from
> flourishing in this country, to the detriment of "real" Americans like
> you. �Nevertheless, I make the point anyway, for those who aren't so
> blinded by moronic anti-semitism that they are actually able to
> understand the fact that the capitalist nature of our economy disproves
> this absurd conspiracy theory.

You are truly wasting your energies on sqwertz the non thinker... and
anyone with two brain cells to rub together can plainly see that
sqwertz is a rabid anti semite, he never misses an opportunity to make
disparaging reference to Judism.