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Julie Bove wrote: > > "Arri London" > wrote in message > ... > > > > > > Julie Bove wrote: > >> > >> "Mark A.Meggs" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:15:52 GMT, "Julie Bove" > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >>"zxcvbob" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> How about goose fat? > >> >> > >> >>Never have any animal fat. > >> >> > >> > > >> > "Husband can't have pork." > >> > > >> > Just checking - you do know that lard is pork fat? > > Two different things. The recipe calls for 3 T. of lard. A very small > amount. I don't want to buy it to use that small amount and then most > likely throw the rest away since I would never use it for anything else. > Plus I don't think lard is all that healthy. > >> > > >> > Crisco or a generic would be the vegetable fat equivalent (not a true > >> > substitute, but as close as you're going to get without animal fat). > >> > It's chock full of trans fatty acids, but they won't kill you right > >> > away. > >> > >> Can't use Crisco because of food allergies. I do have some Spectrum > >> shortening that I use on the odd occasion. It has no trans-fats. > > > > What is allergenic in Crisco? > > Soy. TY |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:35:26 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote: >Thank you, Christine. I was beginning to think that it was just me being >overly critical. I just found it all a real downer. It really bothered me to write that, as I don't like to make critical posts like that. But I am a big aficionado of the chat channel..and of rfc..and it has been a big downer, in my estimation. At least in chat. Christine |
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Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
3.184: > On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:18:30p, sarah gray told us... > >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in >> news:V9CDj.6597$SF2.3543@trndny03: >> >> <snip> >>> >>> He is his own person and he will go where he wants. I can't see how >>> not eating pork would be harmful. After all, Jewish people don't eat >>> it and they're still around. >>>> >> >> Plenty of Jews eat pork. Like me. Pork is excluded from traditional >> Jewish dietary regimens because of religious, not health reasons. >> >> > > Pardon the religious question, Sarah, but is there a "branch" of Judaism > that finds pork acceptable, or is it just personal choice that some Jews > choose to eat pork? I've always wondered... Thanks. > Personal choice. Most Jews are not particularly religious. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in
news:UxHDj.6628$SF2.3442@trndny03: > > "sarah gray" > wrote in message > 02... >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in >> news:V9CDj.6597$SF2.3543@trndny03: >> >> <snip> >>> >>> He is his own person and he will go where he wants. I can't see how >>> not eating pork would be harmful. After all, Jewish people don't >>> eat it and they're still around. >>>> >> >> Plenty of Jews eat pork. Like me. Pork is excluded from traditional >> Jewish dietary regimens because of religious, not health reasons. > > But my point is, it is not a dangerous thing to not eat pork. > > > But it's exceedingly stupid to cut things that are tasty out of your diet for no good reason. |
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"sarah gray" > wrote in message 02... > "Julie Bove" > wrote in > news:UxHDj.6628$SF2.3442@trndny03: > >> >> "sarah gray" > wrote in message >> 02... >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in >>> news:V9CDj.6597$SF2.3543@trndny03: >>> >>> <snip> >>>> >>>> He is his own person and he will go where he wants. I can't see how >>>> not eating pork would be harmful. After all, Jewish people don't >>>> eat it and they're still around. >>>>> >>> >>> Plenty of Jews eat pork. Like me. Pork is excluded from traditional >>> Jewish dietary regimens because of religious, not health reasons. >> >> But my point is, it is not a dangerous thing to not eat pork. >> >> >> > > But it's exceedingly stupid to cut things that are tasty out of your > diet for no good reason. I didn't say there was no good reason. I said I didn't KNOW the reason. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in news:jvIDj.5666$rR1.105
@trndny09: > > "sarah gray" > wrote in message > 02... >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in >> news:UxHDj.6628$SF2.3442@trndny03: >> >>> >>> "sarah gray" > wrote in message >>> 02... >>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in >>>> news:V9CDj.6597$SF2.3543@trndny03: >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>> He is his own person and he will go where he wants. I can't see how >>>>> not eating pork would be harmful. After all, Jewish people don't >>>>> eat it and they're still around. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Plenty of Jews eat pork. Like me. Pork is excluded from traditional >>>> Jewish dietary regimens because of religious, not health reasons. >>> >>> But my point is, it is not a dangerous thing to not eat pork. >>> >>> >>> >> >> But it's exceedingly stupid to cut things that are tasty out of your >> diet for no good reason. > > I didn't say there was no good reason. I said I didn't KNOW the reason. Why would you take advice from a non-doctor without an explanation? |
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"sarah gray" > wrote in message . 102... > "Julie Bove" > wrote in news:jvIDj.5666$rR1.105 > @trndny09: > >> >> "sarah gray" > wrote in message >> 02... >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in >>> news:UxHDj.6628$SF2.3442@trndny03: >>> >>>> >>>> "sarah gray" > wrote in message >>>> 02... >>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in >>>>> news:V9CDj.6597$SF2.3543@trndny03: >>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>>> >>>>>> He is his own person and he will go where he wants. I can't see > how >>>>>> not eating pork would be harmful. After all, Jewish people don't >>>>>> eat it and they're still around. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Plenty of Jews eat pork. Like me. Pork is excluded from traditional >>>>> Jewish dietary regimens because of religious, not health reasons. >>>> >>>> But my point is, it is not a dangerous thing to not eat pork. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> But it's exceedingly stupid to cut things that are tasty out of your >>> diet for no good reason. >> >> I didn't say there was no good reason. I said I didn't KNOW the > reason. > > Why would you take advice from a non-doctor without an explanation? Because she is my friend and I believe what she says. I didn't speak to her about this. She spoke to my husband and told him what he should eat and not eat. It's a moot point now anyway because he has decided not to take her advice. |
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Wayne Boatwright <Wayne Boatwright
>> wrote: > Perhaps not in this thread, but take into account all the threads where > allergy related or can't/won't eat remarks somehow make their way into > them. I think it detracts from the general spirit of rfc. It comes off as > very negative. I'm sure you don't feel it does, but you're not the reader. > Maybe it doesn't affect most rfc'ers, I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Hearing Bobonobo going on and on about trans-fats, uninvited, is slightly more irritating to me. We have a guy in the local food group that does that, too. -sw |
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"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message ... > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:35:26 GMT, Wayne Boatwright > > wrote: > > >>Thank you, Christine. I was beginning to think that it was just me being >>overly critical. I just found it all a real downer. > > It really bothered me to write that, as I don't like to make critical > posts like that. But I am a big aficionado of the chat channel..and > of rfc..and it has been a big downer, in my estimation. At least in > chat. I wonder if it is the pessimistic thing. Pessimists do pull everyone down. It is such a shame. |
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On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:38:20p, zxcvbob told us...
> Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> Thank you, Christine. I was beginning to think that it was just me being >> overly critical. I just found it all a real downer. >> > > It's not just you. > > Bob Thanks, Bob. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 03(III)/18(XVIII)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- Countdown till Memorial Day 9wks 5dys 19hrs ------------------------------------------- Nothing is illegal if 30 business men decide to do it. ------------------------------------------- |
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On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:44:38p, Christine Dabney told us...
> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:35:26 GMT, Wayne Boatwright > > wrote: > > >>Thank you, Christine. I was beginning to think that it was just me being >>overly critical. I just found it all a real downer. > > It really bothered me to write that, as I don't like to make critical > posts like that. But I am a big aficionado of the chat channel..and > of rfc..and it has been a big downer, in my estimation. At least in > chat. > > Christine I know it's out of character for you to write like that, so it must have really bothered you. You're always so postive and inspiring. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 03(III)/18(XVIII)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- Countdown till Memorial Day 9wks 5dys 19hrs ------------------------------------------- Nothing is illegal if 30 business men decide to do it. ------------------------------------------- |
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On Tue 18 Mar 2008 01:31:41a, Ophelia told us...
> > "Christine Dabney" > wrote in message > ... >> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:35:26 GMT, Wayne Boatwright >> > wrote: >> >> >>>Thank you, Christine. I was beginning to think that it was just me >>>being overly critical. I just found it all a real downer. >> >> It really bothered me to write that, as I don't like to make critical >> posts like that. But I am a big aficionado of the chat channel..and >> of rfc..and it has been a big downer, in my estimation. At least in >> chat. > > I wonder if it is the pessimistic thing. Pessimists do pull everyone > down. It is such a shame. > > Good point, Ophelia. Some folks areborn pessimists. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 03(III)/18(XVIII)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- Countdown till Memorial Day 9wks 5dys 19hrs ------------------------------------------- Nothing is illegal if 30 business men decide to do it. ------------------------------------------- |
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On Mon 17 Mar 2008 10:29:57p, sarah gray told us...
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in > 3.184: > >> On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:18:30p, sarah gray told us... >> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in >>> news:V9CDj.6597$SF2.3543@trndny03: >>> >>> <snip> >>>> >>>> He is his own person and he will go where he wants. I can't see how >>>> not eating pork would be harmful. After all, Jewish people don't >>>> eat it and they're still around. >>>>> >>> >>> Plenty of Jews eat pork. Like me. Pork is excluded from traditional >>> Jewish dietary regimens because of religious, not health reasons. >>> >>> >> >> Pardon the religious question, Sarah, but is there a "branch" of >> Judaism that finds pork acceptable, or is it just personal choice >> that some Jews choose to eat pork? I've always wondered... Thanks. >> > > Personal choice. Most Jews are not particularly religious. Thank you, Sarah. We used to go to a great Jewish deli when we lived in the Cleveland area that had possibly the best pork bacon I've ever eaten. It seemed like most of the Jewish clientele were eating it, too. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 03(III)/18(XVIII)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- Countdown till Memorial Day 9wks 5dys 18hrs 55mins ------------------------------------------- Who is 'they' anyway? ------------------------------------------- |
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On Mon 17 Mar 2008 11:00:45p, Sqwertz told us...
> Wayne Boatwright <Wayne Boatwright > >> wrote: > >> Perhaps not in this thread, but take into account all the threads where >> allergy related or can't/won't eat remarks somehow make their way into >> them. I think it detracts from the general spirit of rfc. It comes >> off as very negative. I'm sure you don't feel it does, but you're not >> the reader. Maybe it doesn't affect most rfc'ers, I don't know. Maybe >> it's just me. > > Hearing Bobonobo going on and on about trans-fats, uninvited, is > slightly more irritating to me. We have a guy in the local food > group that does that, too. > > -sw Yes, he did go on ad nauseum. Haven't seen him here for a while. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 03(III)/18(XVIII)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- Countdown till Memorial Day 9wks 5dys 18hrs 55mins ------------------------------------------- Who is 'they' anyway? ------------------------------------------- |
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Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
3.184: > On Mon 17 Mar 2008 10:29:57p, sarah gray told us... > >> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in >> 3.184: >> >>> On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:18:30p, sarah gray told us... >>> >>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in >>>> news:V9CDj.6597$SF2.3543@trndny03: >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>> He is his own person and he will go where he wants. I can't see >>>>> how not eating pork would be harmful. After all, Jewish people >>>>> don't eat it and they're still around. >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Plenty of Jews eat pork. Like me. Pork is excluded from traditional >>>> Jewish dietary regimens because of religious, not health reasons. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Pardon the religious question, Sarah, but is there a "branch" of >>> Judaism that finds pork acceptable, or is it just personal choice >>> that some Jews choose to eat pork? I've always wondered... >>> Thanks. >>> >> >> Personal choice. Most Jews are not particularly religious. > > Thank you, Sarah. We used to go to a great Jewish deli when we lived > in the Cleveland area that had possibly the best pork bacon I've ever > eaten. It seemed like most of the Jewish clientele were eating it, > too. > Yup. even when we don't keep kosher, plenty of us still have a knack with comestibles :) I made hamentashen last night, and my bubbie asked for some mohn ones- she keeps a kosher kitchen, but will eat things cooked in a non-kosher kitchen as long as the ingredients are not explicitly non-kosher. I grew up in an Orthodox home, but most of my dad's family is not observant, really. There is a lot of variation on how people observe the laws of kashrut (or don't observe them, as it may be) Of the people I know who used to not keep kosher, but do now, they always say that they miss bacon the most, out of everything else. -- Sarah |
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On Tue 18 Mar 2008 05:24:57a, sarah gray told us...
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in > 3.184: > >> On Mon 17 Mar 2008 10:29:57p, sarah gray told us... >> >>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in >>> 3.184: >>> >>>> On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:18:30p, sarah gray told us... >>>> >>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in >>>>> news:V9CDj.6597$SF2.3543@trndny03: >>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>>> >>>>>> He is his own person and he will go where he wants. I can't see >>>>>> how not eating pork would be harmful. After all, Jewish people >>>>>> don't eat it and they're still around. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Plenty of Jews eat pork. Like me. Pork is excluded from traditional >>>>> Jewish dietary regimens because of religious, not health reasons. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Pardon the religious question, Sarah, but is there a "branch" of >>>> Judaism that finds pork acceptable, or is it just personal choice >>>> that some Jews choose to eat pork? I've always wondered... >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>> >>> Personal choice. Most Jews are not particularly religious. >> >> Thank you, Sarah. We used to go to a great Jewish deli when we lived >> in the Cleveland area that had possibly the best pork bacon I've ever >> eaten. It seemed like most of the Jewish clientele were eating it, >> too. >> > > Yup. even when we don't keep kosher, plenty of us still have a knack > with comestibles :) > > I made hamentashen last night, and my bubbie asked for some mohn ones- > she keeps a kosher kitchen, but will eat things cooked in a non-kosher > kitchen as long as the ingredients are not explicitly non-kosher. I grew > up in an Orthodox home, but most of my dad's family is not observant, > really. There is a lot of variation on how people observe the laws of > kashrut (or don't observe them, as it may be) I had a college roommate whose family had kept kosher for many years, but became non observant over the several years that I knew them (after the grandparents passed away). It was quite a change in their household. > Of the people I know who used to not keep kosher, but do now, they > always say that they miss bacon the most, out of everything else. Bacon is addictive! :-) > Sarah -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 03(III)/18(XVIII)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- Countdown till Memorial Day 9wks 5dys 18hrs 10mins ------------------------------------------- I feel like e.e. cummings at a punctuation festival. ------------------------------------------- |
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message 3.184... > On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:38:20p, zxcvbob told us... > >> Wayne Boatwright wrote: >>> Thank you, Christine. I was beginning to think that it was just me >>> being >>> overly critical. I just found it all a real downer. >>> >> >> It's not just you. >> >> Bob > > Thanks, Bob. > > -- > Wayne Boatwright I have to agree with Christine and Bob, it's not just you. I find the whole, allergic to this, can't eat that, won't eat that, thing from her has gotten really old and very annoying. Why post to a group that LOVES food of virtually all kinds about can't and won't eat most things. I'm sure everybody has foods they don't like or won't eat for various reasons but they don't post about it continuously. Ms P |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:06:55 GMT, "Julie Bove" >
wrote: > >"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message 73.184... >> On Mon 17 Mar 2008 08:30:55a, Julie Bove told us... >> >>> And my diet is MY business. >> >> Then keep it YOUR business and leave the rest of us out of it. > >I used to think you were nice. Apparently I was wrong. Wayne is one of the nicest people here. People here talk about all different kinds of foods. Most of which you claim you can't, or won't eat. Although your posting style is pleasant enough, your constant negative comments are useless reading. I stopped reading you some time ago. Trying to help you is impossible because you "claim" all these things you can't eat. And you don't add much (if anything) else. From the fact that several very pleasant posters have commented on your negativity, a normal person would ask herself if maybe they're right. You can post wherever you want, just like we can choose to read what we want. But I really think you have too many issues and would be better of in a group that addresses your situation. My observation is your situation involves more issues than food allergies. Lou |
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Janet Baraclough wrote:
>>> Why would you take advice from a non-doctor without an explanation? > >> Because she is my friend and I believe what she says. > > People who make a living by selling unqualified "advice" do tend to be > very friendly to the customers. > > Janet. Is that like asking "does this dress make me look fat??" "Oh of course not dear friend! I hope you wear it when we all go out tonight" (so you'll look like you do in it...and I'll look skinnier in comparison!) LOL |
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"Janet Baraclough" > wrote in message ... > The message <_EIDj.6632$SF2.5017@trndny03> > from "Julie Bove" > contains these words: > > >> "sarah gray" > wrote in message >> . 102... > >> >>> But it's exceedingly stupid to cut things that are tasty out of your >> >>> diet for no good reason. >> >> >> >> I didn't say there was no good reason. I said I didn't KNOW the >> > reason. >> > >> > Why would you take advice from a non-doctor without an explanation? > >> Because she is my friend and I believe what she says. > > People who make a living by selling unqualified "advice" do tend to be > very friendly to the customers. Whatever... |
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Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> Why would you take advice from a non-doctor without an explanation? >>> Because she is my friend and I believe what she says. >> People who make a living by selling unqualified "advice" do tend to be >> very friendly to the customers. > > Whatever... > No, actually, she's correct. I can't tell you how many snake oil type salespersons I've had try to sell me vitamins, make up or skin care products and they think they're impressing me with packaged claims yet it is apparent they have no clue what they're talking about. And presume that I don't have the critical thinking abilities to recognize it? I recall a woman I knew who was being treated her hypertension and someone advised her to not eat pork. When I asked her why she said she it was high in salt. And as we discussed it I pointed out to her that *cured* pork (ham, sausages, cold cuts) often DO contain high salt because of the nature of the curing process, but that pork in and of itself does not. She had no critical thinking abilities to differentiate the issue. |
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:23:32 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote: >Ophelia wrote: >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >> news:GQvDj.11169$FK1.5344@trndny08... >>> I collect cookbooks. I do not recall ANY recipe that says to use either >>> or. In fact I don't recall too many recipes at all that call for lard, >>> except perhaps for some Mexican onees. That's why I asked. And I don't >>> like you implying that I am stupid. >> >> To be honest, I haven't seen such an instruction in a cookery book either. >> >> >Two cookbooks I have call for lard, Adele Davis' 1949 issue and one from >Metropolitan Insurance dated 1922. I remember the women in my family >cooking with lard a lot back in the day. Probably why all the men in my >family have heart disease. adele davis was on board for lard? that surprises me. your pal, blake |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:08:47 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote: >On Mon 17 Mar 2008 07:06:55p, Julie Bove told us... > >> >> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >> 3.184... >>> On Mon 17 Mar 2008 08:30:55a, Julie Bove told us... >>> >>>> And my diet is MY business. >>> >>> Then keep it YOUR business and leave the rest of us out of it. >> >> I used to think you were nice. Apparently I was wrong. > >I'm sorry you feel that way, Julie. I just think you go overboard with the >"allergy thing", and it's hardly the focus of rfc. I truly don't dislike >you, but droning on about what you/family can't/won't eat is tiresome and >boring. Perhaps other her have more patience. I guess I don't. My >apologies. it's o.k., wayne. you're so cute when you're cranky. your pal, blake |
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"Goomba38" > wrote in message . .. > Julie Bove wrote: > >>>>> Why would you take advice from a non-doctor without an explanation? >>>> Because she is my friend and I believe what she says. >>> People who make a living by selling unqualified "advice" do tend to be >>> very friendly to the customers. >> >> Whatever... > No, actually, she's correct. > I can't tell you how many snake oil type salespersons I've had try to sell > me vitamins, make up or skin care products and they think they're > impressing me with packaged claims yet it is apparent they have no clue > what they're talking about. And presume that I don't have the critical > thinking abilities to recognize it? > > I recall a woman I knew who was being treated her hypertension and someone > advised her to not eat pork. When I asked her why she said she it was high > in salt. And as we discussed it I pointed out to her that *cured* pork > (ham, sausages, cold cuts) often DO contain high salt because of the > nature of the curing process, but that pork in and of itself does not. She > had no critical thinking abilities to differentiate the issue. You don't know me. You don't know my friend or our relationship, so how can you comment? And I am really resenting people implying that I am stupid! |
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Julie Bove wrote:
>> I recall a woman I knew who was being treated her hypertension and someone >> advised her to not eat pork. When I asked her why she said she it was high >> in salt. And as we discussed it I pointed out to her that *cured* pork >> (ham, sausages, cold cuts) often DO contain high salt because of the >> nature of the curing process, but that pork in and of itself does not. She >> had no critical thinking abilities to differentiate the issue. > > You don't know me. You don't know my friend or our relationship, so how can > you comment? And I am really resenting people implying that I am stupid! > > No no, of course I don't. I was just surprised that you mentioned pork and I'd had this conversation about pork years ago with the woman I knew! I thought it a coincidence. And when you dismissed the previous poster's logical response ( flattery by salespersons) with that "Whatever" you intimated that you denied that it might actually be at times correct? Sometimes people see "patterns" and how they repeat. For example-fibromyalgia patients are more often than not overweight, depressed white woman. So when I see a woman who complains of the symptoms I'm not surprised when they fit that exact description. That's not to say there aren't men or skinny women sufferers too..? As for all the allergies people say you complain about...well.. some people (and perhaps you) get a lot of attention and mileage out of their infirmities and being a "victim" of something. I sometimes feel you do just that. I may be totally wrong, and if so, I apologize in advance. Just understand where some folks may be coming from here. |
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"Goomba38" > wrote in message ... > Julie Bove wrote: > >>> I recall a woman I knew who was being treated her hypertension and >>> someone advised her to not eat pork. When I asked her why she said she >>> it was high in salt. And as we discussed it I pointed out to her that >>> *cured* pork (ham, sausages, cold cuts) often DO contain high salt >>> because of the nature of the curing process, but that pork in and of >>> itself does not. She had no critical thinking abilities to differentiate >>> the issue. >> >> You don't know me. You don't know my friend or our relationship, so how >> can you comment? And I am really resenting people implying that I am >> stupid! > No no, of course I don't. I was just surprised that you mentioned pork and > I'd had this conversation about pork years ago with the woman I knew! I > thought it a coincidence. > And when you dismissed the previous poster's logical response ( > flattery by salespersons) with that "Whatever" you intimated that you > denied that it might actually be at times correct? She was quoting something from "Are You Being Served?", an old British Sitcom that I know very well. I was a salesperson and I would NEVER tell someone that something was right for them if it was not. IMO, no good salesperson would do this. An honest and helpful salesperson is one that will get repeat sales. Lying to people will not do this in the long run. > Sometimes people see "patterns" and how they repeat. For > example-fibromyalgia patients are more often than not overweight, > depressed white woman. Well, I can't say that I know that many people with Fibromyalgia. I have it and so does my mom. We are not depressed. My friend Chris (a male) is despressed. We are all white. We are all overweight. Is it any wonder? When one can't move around very well, it only stands to reason that they might be. When one is in pain all the time, one is not going to be really chipper. And I do not think this syndrome is only for white people. When I lived in CA, I knew a black woman who had it. I believe there is a corelation between Fibro. and thyroid. When my thyroid was out of whack, I had the Fibro. When it is not out of whack, I generally do not have symptoms unless I really overdo something. >So when I see a woman who complains of the symptoms I'm not surprised when >they fit that exact description. That's not to say there aren't men or >skinny women sufferers too..? Again, whatever... And I say this NOT because I am agreeing with somehting you say but because I just don't care. I am not going to go out and take a survey on the issue. It is really of no interest to me. > As for all the allergies people say you complain about...well.. some > people (and perhaps you) get a lot of attention and mileage out of their > infirmities and being a "victim" of something. I sometimes feel you do > just that. I may be totally wrong, and if so, I apologize in advance. Just > understand where some folks may be coming from here. I do not get a lot of attention nor do I want it. I do not understand this at all. I asked what I thought was a simple question about a sub for lard and all these people are attacking me saying I was going on and on about allergies. The only time they came up is when someone else brought them up, or when I replied to the person telling me to use Crisco, which my daughter, not ME, is allergic to. |
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"Christine Dabney" > wrote in message ... > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:17:27 GMT, Wayne Boatwright > > wrote: > >>On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:13:11p, Julie Bove told us... > >>>> don't. My apologies. >>> >>> I did not bring up the allergies in this thread. I merely asked for a >>> substitute for lard and was immediately told I could use shortening. I >>> thanked the person. The allergies came up in a subsequent response. I >>do >>> not for an instant think I was droning. >> >>Perhaps not in this thread, but take into account all the threads where >>allergy related or can't/won't eat remarks somehow make their way into >>them. I think it detracts from the general spirit of rfc. It comes off >>as >>very negative. I'm sure you don't feel it does, but you're not the >>reader. >>Maybe it doesn't affect most rfc'ers, I don't know. Maybe it's just me. > > No,it is not just you. I wasn't going to get into this..but..... > > This happens in chat too..I hate to say. I know Julie thinks I am > totally down on her, but it is really disconcerting and a real downer > and gives a really negative feeling, when we are talking about foods > we enjoy..or are talking about some dish, or prep, or whatever. I > can't count the many times I have heard Yuck! or > Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...or something to that effect. Plus the constant I > can't eat this, I don't like this..or such and such creeps me out.... > It is a real negative feeling especially when most of us love such > foods...and love to talk about them. Yes, there are those of us in > chat that don't like some foods, but we may mention it..and let it > go... We don't always say Yuck!! or Ewwwwwwwwwwww.... We just say..I > don't really care for that... Or we stay silent. > > This is not to chase Julie off from chat. I welcome anyone there..but > it sometimes seems like any food is either disliked, an allergen, > creepy, or something along that order. I very, very rarely hear > anything positive about food or food loves from her...it is always the > other. > > Sorry Julie. I have to agree with Wayne here. > > Christine Hear that? Listen carefully! That sound that you hear is a STANDING OVATION! Thanks, Christine. BOB |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message news:i3_Dj.8975$2Y4.3650@trndny01... > > I do not get a lot of attention nor do I want it. I do not understand > this at all. I asked what I thought was a simple question about a sub for > lard and all these people are attacking me saying I was going on and on > about allergies. The only time they came up is when someone else brought > them up, or when I replied to the person telling me to use Crisco, which > my daughter, not ME, is allergic to. This is apparently the part you don't seem to be getting, you reply to *everything* about your family's allergies. Ms P |
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"Ms P" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > news:i3_Dj.8975$2Y4.3650@trndny01... >> >> I do not get a lot of attention nor do I want it. I do not understand >> this at all. I asked what I thought was a simple question about a sub >> for lard and all these people are attacking me saying I was going on and >> on about allergies. The only time they came up is when someone else >> brought them up, or when I replied to the person telling me to use >> Crisco, which my daughter, not ME, is allergic to. > > This is apparently the part you don't seem to be getting, you reply to > *everything* about your family's allergies. Well, when somebody asks a question of you, the polite thing to do is reply. |
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"Julie Bove" > wrote in message news:G5%Dj.11297$dq2.1612@trndny05... > > "Ms P" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >> news:i3_Dj.8975$2Y4.3650@trndny01... >>> >>> I do not get a lot of attention nor do I want it. I do not understand >>> this at all. I asked what I thought was a simple question about a sub >>> for lard and all these people are attacking me saying I was going on and >>> on about allergies. The only time they came up is when someone else >>> brought them up, or when I replied to the person telling me to use >>> Crisco, which my daughter, not ME, is allergic to. >> >> This is apparently the part you don't seem to be getting, you reply to >> *everything* about your family's allergies. > > Well, when somebody asks a question of you, the polite thing to do is > reply. But you reply in the negative. Either you or someone in your family can't or won't eat practically everything. It gets old for people trying to give you answers to your questions when all your answers to the solutions are negatives. Try just saying "thank you for your suggestion." and leave it at that. It's polite, it's not negative. Ms P |
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Goomba38 wrote: > Julie Bove wrote: > > >>>> Why would you take advice from a non-doctor without an explanation? > >>> Because she is my friend and I believe what she says. > >> People who make a living by selling unqualified "advice" do tend to be > >> very friendly to the customers. > > > > Whatever... > > > No, actually, she's correct. > I can't tell you how many snake oil type salespersons I've had try to > sell me vitamins, make up or skin care products and they think they're > impressing me with packaged claims yet it is apparent they have no clue > what they're talking about. And presume that I don't have the critical > thinking abilities to recognize it? > > I recall a woman I knew who was being treated her hypertension and > someone advised her to not eat pork. When I asked her why she said she > it was high in salt. And as we discussed it I pointed out to her that > *cured* pork (ham, sausages, cold cuts) often DO contain high salt > because of the nature of the curing process, but that pork in and of > itself does not. She had no critical thinking abilities to differentiate > the issue. That, unfortunately, describes a large percentage of the population... More people need to pay attention to James Randi... -- Best Greg |
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" BOB" > wrote in message . .. > > "Christine Dabney" > wrote in message > ... >> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:17:27 GMT, Wayne Boatwright >> > wrote: >> >>>On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:13:11p, Julie Bove told us... >> >>>>> don't. My apologies. >>>> >>>> I did not bring up the allergies in this thread. I merely asked for a >>>> substitute for lard and was immediately told I could use shortening. I >>>> thanked the person. The allergies came up in a subsequent response. I >>>do >>>> not for an instant think I was droning. >>> >>>Perhaps not in this thread, but take into account all the threads where >>>allergy related or can't/won't eat remarks somehow make their way into >>>them. I think it detracts from the general spirit of rfc. It comes off >>>as >>>very negative. I'm sure you don't feel it does, but you're not the >>>reader. >>>Maybe it doesn't affect most rfc'ers, I don't know. Maybe it's just me. >> >> No,it is not just you. I wasn't going to get into this..but..... >> >> This happens in chat too..I hate to say. I know Julie thinks I am >> totally down on her, but it is really disconcerting and a real downer >> and gives a really negative feeling, when we are talking about foods >> we enjoy..or are talking about some dish, or prep, or whatever. I >> can't count the many times I have heard Yuck! or >> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...or something to that effect. Plus the constant I >> can't eat this, I don't like this..or such and such creeps me out.... >> It is a real negative feeling especially when most of us love such >> foods...and love to talk about them. Yes, there are those of us in >> chat that don't like some foods, but we may mention it..and let it >> go... We don't always say Yuck!! or Ewwwwwwwwwwww.... We just say..I >> don't really care for that... Or we stay silent. >> >> This is not to chase Julie off from chat. I welcome anyone there..but >> it sometimes seems like any food is either disliked, an allergen, >> creepy, or something along that order. I very, very rarely hear >> anything positive about food or food loves from her...it is always the >> other. >> >> Sorry Julie. I have to agree with Wayne here. >> >> Christine > > Hear that? Listen carefully! > > That sound that you hear is a STANDING OVATION! > Many of you have a lot to say about how nasty I can be, but in the end, wasn't it a much more humane decision to kill file Julie? Months ago, when I did so? Than having a months-later slaughter fest after you are all frustrated out of your minds? Rhetorical question. A little thought, maybe? |
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Sqwertz wrote: > Julie Bove <Julie Bove >> wrote: > > > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message > > .184... > > > >> Since you've all had the RAST test done, perhaps the rfc group could read > >> your posts with greater comprehension if you'd just publish a list of ALL > >> the things that ALL of you are allergic to. It's very tiresome hearing > >> about them one by one, in retorts to others' posts. > > > > Three friggin' things. Dairy, eggs and almonds. Happy? There are other > > things I can not eat for other reasons. > > I've heard a lot more than that. I just looked at Google groups and > I counted 21 things you and your family are allergic to (or > suspected you were allergic to). And that was only the first 50 > posts I skimmed that had the word allergic in them. There were 500 > more posts to read. > > I had the skin tests and it was determined I was allergic to several > things which I eat all the time. I suspect I'm only allergic to > having them in injected into my skin. As the old allergist saying goes: "Pay me enough money and I can find something you're allergic to...". -- Best Greg |
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"blake murphy" > wrote in message ... > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:29:42 GMT, Wayne Boatwright > > wrote: > >>On Sun 16 Mar 2008 10:04:42p, Sqwertz told us... >> >>> jmcquown <jmcquown >> wrote: >>> >>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>>> news:RBjDj.2206$jw2.1772@trndny04... >>>>> >>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message >>>>> . .. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>>>>> news:XIfDj.2176$jw2.778@trndny04... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Kent" > wrote in message >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Try bacon fat. It alters the taste a bit, depending on thte bacon, >>>>>>>> but usually in a positive way. Lard and bacon fat and salt pork fat >>>>>>>> give a bit of richness to a dish that vegetable oils do not. They >>>>>>>> also tolerate higher heat. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I never have any bacon fat, but thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>> Pork fat rules :) >>>>> >>>>> Husband can't have pork. >>>>> >>>> Can your husband have anything??! Good lord, woman, according to you >>>> your entire family is allergic to everything. >>> >>> I'd be pretty surprised if her family being allergic to so many >>> things isn't some a type of localized form of mass psychosis. >>> <shrug> >>> >>> -sw >>> >> >>Not that I dislike her, but I honestly can't understand why Julie posts >>here. Virtually nothing about food is anything they can eat. > > jesus, how about some sympathy, people? maybe she wants new ideas > with what she *can* use. > I don't think so. |
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"sarah gray" > wrote in message 02... > Wayne Boatwright > wrote in > 3.184: > >> On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:18:30p, sarah gray told us... >> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in >>> news:V9CDj.6597$SF2.3543@trndny03: >>> >>> <snip> >>>> >>>> He is his own person and he will go where he wants. I can't see how >>>> not eating pork would be harmful. After all, Jewish people don't > eat >>>> it and they're still around. >>>>> >>> >>> Plenty of Jews eat pork. Like me. Pork is excluded from traditional >>> Jewish dietary regimens because of religious, not health reasons. >>> >>> >> >> Pardon the religious question, Sarah, but is there a "branch" of > Judaism >> that finds pork acceptable, or is it just personal choice that some > Jews >> choose to eat pork? I've always wondered... Thanks. >> > > Personal choice. Most Jews are not particularly religious. Just like most gentiles. |
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"Ms P" > wrote in message ... > > "Julie Bove" > wrote in message > news:G5%Dj.11297$dq2.1612@trndny05... >> >> "Ms P" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>> news:i3_Dj.8975$2Y4.3650@trndny01... >>>> >>>> I do not get a lot of attention nor do I want it. I do not understand >>>> this at all. I asked what I thought was a simple question about a sub >>>> for lard and all these people are attacking me saying I was going on >>>> and on about allergies. The only time they came up is when someone >>>> else brought them up, or when I replied to the person telling me to use >>>> Crisco, which my daughter, not ME, is allergic to. >>> >>> This is apparently the part you don't seem to be getting, you reply to >>> *everything* about your family's allergies. >> >> Well, when somebody asks a question of you, the polite thing to do is >> reply. > > But you reply in the negative. Either you or someone in your family can't > or won't eat practically everything. It gets old for people trying to > give you answers to your questions when all your answers to the solutions > are negatives. Try just saying "thank you for your suggestion." and leave > it at that. It's polite, it's not negative. I didn't ask for your advice! :) And if you'll recall, the first reply I got was to use shortening. I told the person "Thank you". It works for me. |
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"cybercat" > wrote in message ... > > " BOB" > wrote in message > . .. >> >> "Christine Dabney" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:17:27 GMT, Wayne Boatwright >>> > wrote: >>> >>>>On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:13:11p, Julie Bove told us... >>> >>>>>> don't. My apologies. >>>>> >>>>> I did not bring up the allergies in this thread. I merely asked for a >>>>> substitute for lard and was immediately told I could use shortening. >>>>> I >>>>> thanked the person. The allergies came up in a subsequent response. >>>>> I >>>>do >>>>> not for an instant think I was droning. >>>> >>>>Perhaps not in this thread, but take into account all the threads where >>>>allergy related or can't/won't eat remarks somehow make their way into >>>>them. I think it detracts from the general spirit of rfc. It comes off >>>>as >>>>very negative. I'm sure you don't feel it does, but you're not the >>>>reader. >>>>Maybe it doesn't affect most rfc'ers, I don't know. Maybe it's just me. >>> >>> No,it is not just you. I wasn't going to get into this..but..... >>> >>> This happens in chat too..I hate to say. I know Julie thinks I am >>> totally down on her, but it is really disconcerting and a real downer >>> and gives a really negative feeling, when we are talking about foods >>> we enjoy..or are talking about some dish, or prep, or whatever. I >>> can't count the many times I have heard Yuck! or >>> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...or something to that effect. Plus the constant I >>> can't eat this, I don't like this..or such and such creeps me out.... >>> It is a real negative feeling especially when most of us love such >>> foods...and love to talk about them. Yes, there are those of us in >>> chat that don't like some foods, but we may mention it..and let it >>> go... We don't always say Yuck!! or Ewwwwwwwwwwww.... We just say..I >>> don't really care for that... Or we stay silent. >>> >>> This is not to chase Julie off from chat. I welcome anyone there..but >>> it sometimes seems like any food is either disliked, an allergen, >>> creepy, or something along that order. I very, very rarely hear >>> anything positive about food or food loves from her...it is always the >>> other. >>> >>> Sorry Julie. I have to agree with Wayne here. >>> >>> Christine >> >> Hear that? Listen carefully! >> >> That sound that you hear is a STANDING OVATION! >> > > Many of you have a lot to say about how nasty I can be, but in the end, > wasn't it a much more humane decision to kill file Julie? Months ago, > when I did so? Than having a months-later slaughter fest after you are > all frustrated out of your minds? > > Rhetorical question. A little thought, maybe? Agreed. |
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"cybercat" > wrote in message ... > > "blake murphy" > wrote in message > ... >> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:29:42 GMT, Wayne Boatwright >> > wrote: >> >>>On Sun 16 Mar 2008 10:04:42p, Sqwertz told us... >>> >>>> jmcquown <jmcquown >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>>>> news:RBjDj.2206$jw2.1772@trndny04... >>>>>> >>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message >>>>>> . .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message >>>>>>> news:XIfDj.2176$jw2.778@trndny04... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Kent" > wrote in message >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Try bacon fat. It alters the taste a bit, depending on thte bacon, >>>>>>>>> but usually in a positive way. Lard and bacon fat and salt pork >>>>>>>>> fat >>>>>>>>> give a bit of richness to a dish that vegetable oils do not. They >>>>>>>>> also tolerate higher heat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I never have any bacon fat, but thanks! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pork fat rules :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Husband can't have pork. >>>>>> >>>>> Can your husband have anything??! Good lord, woman, according to you >>>>> your entire family is allergic to everything. >>>> >>>> I'd be pretty surprised if her family being allergic to so many >>>> things isn't some a type of localized form of mass psychosis. >>>> <shrug> >>>> >>>> -sw >>>> >>> >>>Not that I dislike her, but I honestly can't understand why Julie posts >>>here. Virtually nothing about food is anything they can eat. >> >> jesus, how about some sympathy, people? maybe she wants new ideas >> with what she *can* use. >> > > I don't think so. Well, that is why I asked about the sub for lard. Jeez. |
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Julie Bove <Julie Bove >> wrote:
> The only time they came up is when someone else brought them up, > or when I replied to the person telling me to use Crisco, which my daughter, > not ME, is allergic to. But nobody in your house is allergic to lard (or did I miss that part?). In which case, you asked for substitute for a substance you're not allergic to? And this is why we're having this nuclear fallout, is that the alternatives *are* allergenic? Sheesh. Use the damn lard! It seems the only reason you don't want to use it is because you're too stingy to pay the $.75. in your condition, I'd eat everything I could and not worrying about having to spend the $.75 for something you're *not* allergic to. -sw |
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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message ... > Julie Bove <Julie Bove >> wrote: > >> The only time they came up is when someone else brought them up, >> or when I replied to the person telling me to use Crisco, which my >> daughter, >> not ME, is allergic to. > > But nobody in your house is allergic to lard (or did I miss that > part?). In which case, you asked for substitute for a substance > you're not allergic to? And this is why we're having this nuclear > fallout, is that the alternatives *are* allergenic? > > Sheesh. Use the damn lard! It seems the only reason you don't want > to use it is because you're too stingy to pay the $.75. in your > condition, I'd eat everything I could and not worrying about having > to spend the $.75 for something you're *not* allergic to. I didn't want to have to buy something extra. Somebody already told me to use shortening. I have shortening. I got the answer. So I don't know why this is going on and on. I am not stingy at all. I buy organic food and I shop at the most expensive grocery store in the area because I like their selection. Jeepers. |
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