I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
I eat meat and potatoes.

A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to force myself
to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.

Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
fruit juice.

"Terry" > wrote in message
...
>I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
> I eat meat and potatoes.
>
> A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to force myself
> to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>
> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
> fruit juice.

Try a juicer. Far better juice can be made at home.

Paul

Paul wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:00:23 GMT:


PMC> "Terry" > wrote in message
PMC>
...
??>> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
??>> I eat meat and potatoes.
??>>
??>> A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to
??>> force myself to have one, but they are quite good and good
??>> for you.
??>>
??>> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks
??>> are like fruit juice.

PMC> Try a juicer. Far better juice can be made at home.

It's a bit OT but can you recommend a juicer that is easy to
clean? It would be ideal if the working parts were dishwasher
safe.


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Terry > wrote in

oups.com:

> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
> I eat meat and potatoes.
>
> A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to
> force myself to have one, but they are quite good and good
> for you.

they're not nearly as good for you as real juice. they are
also *way* too sweet.

> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks
> are like fruit juice.

regular V8 tastes like a salt lick. i much prefer Knudsen's
Very Veggie, if i'm not juicing my own.
really, why should there be HFCS in juice?
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Terry <Terry >> wrote:

> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
> fruit juice.

V8 doesn't taste much like tomato juice to me. Buy yourself some
actual tomato juice and compare them - there's a huge difference.
I'd rather have the regular tomato juice.

Comparing Fusion to default V8 is like comparing oranges to
hamburger.

-sw

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:47:29 -0700 (PDT), Terry >
wrote:

>I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
>I eat meat and potatoes.
>
>A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to force myself
>to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>
>Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
>fruit juice.

I still haven't tried them, but I want to. The little store where I
buy my lunch doesn't stock them and I don't think about them when
grocery shopping.

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Terry wrote:

> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
> I eat meat and potatoes.
>
> A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to force myself
> to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>
> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
> fruit juice.

For me, V8 tastes like celery.

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On Mar 16, 4:05 pm, "Dan Goodman" > wrote:
> Terry wrote:
> > I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
> > I eat meat and potatoes.
>
> > A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to force myself
> > to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>
> > Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
> > fruit juice.
>
> For me, V8 tastes like celery.
>
> --
The point I was trying to make was that Fusion is good to me and V8
wasn't
Fusion is nothing like V8

Terry wrote:
> On Mar 16, 4:05 pm, "Dan Goodman" > wrote:> Terry wrote:
> > > I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
> > > I eat meat and potatoes.
>
> > > A friend suggested those new V8 juices. �I still have to force myself
> > > to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>
> > > Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
> > > fruit juice.
>
> > For me, V8 tastes like celery.
>
> > --
>
> The point I was trying to make was that Fusion is good to me and V8
> wasn't
> Fusion is nothing like V8

I doubt Fusion is any more or less healthfull than V-8... unless you
add vodka!

I don't get it. why can't you simply eat real fresh fruit/vegetables.
V-8 is primarily tomato (a fruit), you can easily doctor tomato juice
to taste exactly like V-8, and in fact to save money make your own
tomato juice by reconstituting tomato paste... every tomato juice on
the market is reconstituted tomato paste, but you pay mostly for large
containers and freight to ship the weight of water.

I love fresh fruit, especially summer fruit, it's sinful to put lovely
fresh fruit (and vegies) into a fercocktah juicer.

You probaby don't like real sex either... that's why you wear out so
many batterys.

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
newsUdDj.798$i54.669@trnddc05...
> Paul wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:00:23 GMT:
>
>
> PMC> "Terry" > wrote in message
> PMC>
> ...
> ??>> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
> ??>> I eat meat and potatoes.
> ??>>
> ??>> A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to
> ??>> force myself to have one, but they are quite good and good
> ??>> for you.
> ??>>
> ??>> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks
> ??>> are like fruit juice.
>
> PMC> Try a juicer. Far better juice can be made at home.
>
> It's a bit OT but can you recommend a juicer that is easy to clean? It
> would be ideal if the working parts were dishwasher safe.


The Juiceman Jr is easy to clean. I've seen the Jack Lalane model and it
looks about the same but it takes larger pieces. To my knowledge all the
washable parts are dishwasher safe. The clear bit will get scuffed over
time due to the abrasive in the detergent but then so does glasswear.

Paul

"Dan Goodman" > wrote in message
ouse.com...
> Terry wrote:
>
>> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
>> I eat meat and potatoes.
>>
>> A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to force myself
>> to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>>
>> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
>> fruit juice.
>
> For me, V8 tastes like celery.
>

Makes a decent bloody mary, you have to admit.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
news:jygDj.11828$hP3.6181@trnddc02...
>
> "Dan Goodman" > wrote in message
> ouse.com...
>> Terry wrote:
>>
>>> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
>>> I eat meat and potatoes.
>>>
>>> A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to force myself
>>> to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>>>
>>> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
>>> fruit juice.
>>
>> For me, V8 tastes like celery.
>>
>
> Makes a decent bloody mary, you have to admit.
>
> Paul
>
>
It's a nice as a base for vegetable soups

Jill

"l, not -l" > wrote in message
news
>
> On 16-Mar-2008, Sheldon > wrote:
>
>> > The point I was trying to make was that Fusion is good to me and V8
>> > wasn't
>> > Fusion is nothing like V8
>>
>> I doubt Fusion is any more or less healthfull than V-8... unless you
>> add vodka!
>
> Surely they don't put the same unhealthy level of salt in Fusion as found
> in
> V-8.
> --
I'd have to read the label but it really wouldn't surprise me. Someone else
mentioned HFCS. I love most (cooked) vegetables but have never been big on
fresh fruit (it's mostly a texture thing with me). But I do like fruit
juices - sans HFCS or other added sweetening components.

Jill

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:09:21 -0800, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
> wrote:

>"Terry" > wrote in message
...
>> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
>> I eat meat and potatoes.
>>
>> A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to force myself
>> to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>>
>> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
>> fruit juice.
>>
>According to the ingredients label, the V8 V-Fusion drinks are a
>reconstituted blend of vegetables (such as sweet potatoes and purple
>carrots) combined with a blend of fruit juices from concentrate (such as
>apple, white grape, pomegranite, blueberry). If I recall correctly, these
>are also fortified with Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid). It doesn't appear that
>these drinks have any added sugar either.
>
>So far, I have seen that there are four varieties of the V-Fusion drinks:
>Peach Mango, Strawberry Banana, Pomegranite Blueberry, and Acai Berry. The
>actual blend of vegetables and fruit juices varies depending on the specific
>V-Fusion variety.
>
>Tastewise--I would also agree, they taste more like fruit juice.

I first ran into this kind of vegetable/fruit drink combo while
working a 4 month contract in Tokyo in 2005. One of the brands was
Kagome, there were several others all sold at the ubiquitous quick
markets.

As far as I could tell on my return, there was no similar product in
the US at that time.

The Japanese veg/fruit drinks were much less sweet and had a bit more
vegetable taste, although no specific variety could be made out. The
V8 Fusion I tried recently was too much like a plain fruit drink for
me but I liked the Japanese versions.

"Terry" > wrote in message
...
> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
> I eat meat and potatoes.
>
> A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to force myself
> to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>
> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
> fruit juice.
>
According to the ingredients label, the V8 V-Fusion drinks are a
reconstituted blend of vegetables (such as sweet potatoes and purple
carrots) combined with a blend of fruit juices from concentrate (such as
apple, white grape, pomegranite, blueberry). If I recall correctly, these
are also fortified with Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid). It doesn't appear that
these drinks have any added sugar either.

So far, I have seen that there are four varieties of the V-Fusion drinks:
Peach Mango, Strawberry Banana, Pomegranite Blueberry, and Acai Berry. The
actual blend of vegetables and fruit juices varies depending on the specific
V-Fusion variety.

Tastewise--I would also agree, they taste more like fruit juice.

"Dan Rouse wrote:
> "Terry" wrote
...> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
> > I eat meat and potatoes.
>
> > A friend suggested those new V8 juices. �I still have to force myself
> > to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>
> > Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
> > fruit juice.
>
> According to the ingredients label, the V8 V-Fusion drinks are a
> reconstituted blend of vegetables (such as sweet potatoes and purple
> carrots) combined with a blend of fruit juices from concentrate (such as
> apple, white grape, pomegranite, blueberry). If I recall correctly, these
> are also fortified with Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid). It doesn't appear that
> these drinks have any added sugar either.
>
> So far, I have seen that there are four varieties of the V-Fusion drinks:
> Peach Mango, Strawberry Banana, Pomegranite Blueberry, and Acai Berry. The
> actual blend of vegetables and fruit juices varies depending on the specific
> V-Fusion variety.
>
> Tastewise--I would also agree, they taste more like fruit juice.

Check their nutritional values... I don't think any of those products
are beneficially healthful to any meaningful degree. You are much
better off eating real fruit and vegies.

http://www.campbellwellness.com/prod....asp?brandID=8

You gotta be pretty friggin' lazy to get your fruit as juice outta a
can... don't you have teeth, I bet you haven't been to a dentist since
3rd grade... how much effort is it to peel and chew a juicy navel
orange or a ruby red grapefruit. The market always has a selection of
beautiful fresh fruit and veggies... and you can see what you're
eating. Eating your fruit and veggies out of a can is tantamount to
eating pre ground mystery meat... they gotta do something with all the
buggy bruised rotting produce that's truly only fit for the
composter... squish it all up, strain out the maggots, can it, and
sell it to the pinheads. What a bunch of imbeciles, they'll eat shit
if it's served up in a purty package.

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
"Dan Rouse wrote:
> "Terry" wrote
....> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
> > I eat meat and potatoes.
>
> > A friend suggested those new V8 juices. ?I still have to force myself
> > to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>
> > Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
> > fruit juice.
>
> According to the ingredients label, the V8 V-Fusion drinks are a
> reconstituted blend of vegetables (such as sweet potatoes and purple
> carrots) combined with a blend of fruit juices from concentrate (such as
> apple, white grape, pomegranite, blueberry). If I recall correctly, these
> are also fortified with Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid). It doesn't appear that
> these drinks have any added sugar either.
>
> So far, I have seen that there are four varieties of the V-Fusion drinks:
> Peach Mango, Strawberry Banana, Pomegranite Blueberry, and Acai Berry. The
> actual blend of vegetables and fruit juices varies depending on the
specific
> V-Fusion variety.
>
> Tastewise--I would also agree, they taste more like fruit juice.

Check their nutritional values... I don't think any of those products
are beneficially healthful to any meaningful degree. You are much
better off eating real fruit and vegies.

http://www.campbellwellness.com/prod....asp?brandID=8

[snip...]

(To which I reply...)

Quoted from that same website--

Acai Berry:

V8® V.Fusion Juice
Acai Berry
Nutrition Facts*
Amount Per Serving (serving size) = 8 oz.

Calories 110
Total Fat 0g
Sat. Fat 0g
Trans Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 70mg
Potassium 240mg
Total Carb. 27g
Dietary Fiber 0g

Sugars 26g
Protein 0g


% Daily Values**
Vitamin A 15%
Vitamin C 100%
Calcium 2%
Iron 2%


V8® V.Fusion Juice
Peach Mango
Nutrition Facts*
Amount Per Serving (serving size) = 8 oz.

Calories 120
Total Fat 0g
Sat. Fat 0g
Trans Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 70mg
Potassium 210mg
Total Carb. 28g
Dietary Fiber 0g

Sugars 26g
Protein 1g


% Daily Values**
Vitamin A 20%
Vitamin C 100%
Vitamin E 10%
Calcium 2%
Iron 2%
Folic Acid 2%
Magnesium 4%


V8® V.Fusion Juice
Pomegranate Blueberry
Nutrition Facts*
Amount Per Serving (serving size) = 8 oz.

Calories 100
Total Fat 0g
Sat. Fat 0g
Trans Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 60mg
Potassium 280mg
Total Carb. 25g
Dietary Fiber 0g

Sugars 23g
Protein 0g


% Daily Values**
Vitamin A 15%
Vitamin C 100%
Vitamin E 10%
Calcium 2%
Iron 2%
Folic Acid 2%
Magnesium 4%


V8® V.Fusion Juice
Strawberry Banana
Nutrition Facts*
Amount Per Serving (serving size) = 8 oz.

Calories 120
Total Fat 0g
Sat. Fat 0g
Trans Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 70mg
Potassium 250mg
Total Carb. 28g
Dietary Fiber 0g

Sugars 25g
Protein 1g


% Daily Values**
Vitamin A 70%
Vitamin C 100%
Vitamin E 10%
Calcium 2%
Iron 2%
Folic Acid 2%
Magnesium 4%


.... and so on, since they actually list seven different varieties of
V-Fusion drinks. I wasn't aware there was also a Tropical Orange, and they
also have three light varieties. The asterisks listed in the nutrition
information quoted from that website represent:

* The nutrition information contained in this list of Nutrition Facts is
based on our current data. However, because the data may change from time to
time, this information may not always be identical to the nutritional label
information of products on shelf.

** % Daily Values (DV) are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.

Either way, I'll drink a V-Fusion instead of drinking a soda drink (since
the soda is almost all sugar/corn syrup and artificial flavor with
essentially zero nutritional value). I still like the Acai Berry and
Pomegranate Blueberry varieties among all the other varieties.

Others may vary in their own opinions.

On Mar 16, 7:16 pm, Sheldon > wrote:
> "Dan Rouse wrote:
> > "Terry" wrote
>
> ...> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
>
>
>
> > > I eat meat and potatoes.
>
> > > A friend suggested those new V8 juices. �I still have to force myself
> > > to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>
> > > Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
> > > fruit juice.
>
> > According to the ingredients label, the V8 V-Fusion drinks are a
> > reconstituted blend of vegetables (such as sweet potatoes and purple
> > carrots) combined with a blend of fruit juices from concentrate (such as
> > apple, white grape, pomegranite, blueberry). If I recall correctly, these
> > are also fortified with Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid). It doesn't appear that
> > these drinks have any added sugar either.
>
> > So far, I have seen that there are four varieties of the V-Fusion drinks:
> > Peach Mango, Strawberry Banana, Pomegranite Blueberry, and Acai Berry. The
> > actual blend of vegetables and fruit juices varies depending on the specific
> > V-Fusion variety.
>
> > Tastewise--I would also agree, they taste more like fruit juice.
>
> Check their nutritional values... I don't think any of those products
> are beneficially healthful to any meaningful degree. You are much
> better off eating real fruit and vegies.
>
> http://www.campbellwellness.com/prod....asp?brandID=8
>
> You gotta be pretty friggin' lazy to get your fruit as juice outta a
> can... don't you have teeth, I bet you haven't been to a dentist since
> 3rd grade... how much effort is it to peel and chew a juicy navel
> orange or a ruby red grapefruit. The market always has a selection of
> beautiful fresh fruit and veggies... and you can see what you're
> eating. Eating your fruit and veggies out of a can is tantamount to
> eating pre ground mystery meat... they gotta do something with all the
> buggy bruised rotting produce that's truly only fit for the
> composter... squish it all up, strain out the maggots, can it, and
> sell it to the pinheads. What a bunch of imbeciles, they'll eat shit
> if it's served up in a purty package.

You should like such a nice guy.
I bet you are the life of any party.

Terry wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:47:29 -0700 (PDT):

T> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
T> I eat meat and potatoes.

I wonder how many people are with Terry?

I have to remind myself frequently to eat an adequate amount of
non-starchy vegetables and I seldom have a craving for any of
them. Asparagus perhaps, since I cannot bring myself to afford
it during a good deal of the year and cauliflower, which goes
well with the common sauces. French beans are another vegetable
that rather like.

I find also that I mostly eat fruit at breakfast time: banana
and grapefruit or melons mostly. I also have a glass of orange
juice at breakfast so I suppose I am eating an "adequate" amount
of fruit. One of the problems I find with fruit, call me lazy if
you wish, is that you usually can't eat the whole thing and you
have to find a place to dispose of a core or rind if you are
eating it outside a meal. A banana is not bad, non-messy and you
can remove the peel at once and hold the fruit especially if you
like them barely ripe as I do. The seedless grape is about the
only other fruit that I like eating between meals. Of course, if
you can find wild berries and eat them then and there, they are
also good but store-bought berries usually require extra sugar
for my taste.
..



James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Mar 17, 8:41*am, "James Silverton" >
wrote:
> *Terry *wrote *on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:47:29 -0700 (PDT):
>
> T> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
> *T> I eat meat and potatoes.
>
> *I wonder how many people are with Terry?
>
> I have to remind myself frequently to eat an adequate amount of
> non-starchy vegetables and I seldom have a craving for any of
> them. Asparagus perhaps, since I cannot bring myself to afford
> it during a good deal of the year and cauliflower, which goes
> well with the common sauces. French beans are another vegetable
> that rather like.
>
> I find also that I mostly eat fruit at breakfast time: banana
> and grapefruit or melons mostly. I also have a glass of orange
> juice at breakfast so I suppose I am eating an "adequate" amount
> of fruit. One of the problems I find with fruit, call me lazy if
> you wish, is that you usually can't eat the whole thing and you
> have to find a place to dispose of a core or rind if you are
> eating it outside a meal. A banana is not bad, non-messy and you
> can remove the peel at once and hold the fruit especially if you
> like them barely ripe as I do. The seedless grape is about the
> only other fruit that I like eating between meals. Of course, if
> you can find wild berries and eat them then and there, they are
> also good but store-bought berries usually require extra sugar
> for my taste.

Not me. From a kid who wouldn't eat any vegetables, I grew up into
an adult who positively craves them on a daily basis. If I had only
myself to cook for, I'd consider what vegetables I'd like to eat and
then
think about what meat would go with them.

I'm rarely anywhere that I couldn't find a place to dispose of fruit
remains.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy wrote on Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT):

CH> On Mar 17, 8:41 am, "James Silverton"
CH> > wrote:
??>> Terry wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:47:29 -0700 (PDT):
??>>
T>>> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
T>>> I eat meat and potatoes.
??>>
??>> I wonder how many people are with Terry?
??>>
??>> I have to remind myself frequently to eat an adequate
??>> amount of non-starchy vegetables and I seldom have a
??>> craving for any of them. Asparagus perhaps, since I cannot
??>> bring myself to afford it during a good deal of the year
??>> and cauliflower, which goes well with the common sauces.
??>> French beans are another vegetable that rather like.
??>>
??>> I find also that I mostly eat fruit at breakfast time:
banana
??>> and grapefruit or melons mostly. I also have a glass of
??>> orange juice at breakfast so I suppose I am eating an
??>> "adequate" amount of fruit. One of the problems I find
??>> with fruit, call me lazy if you wish, is that you usually
??>> can't eat the whole thing and you have to find a place to
??>> dispose of a core or rind if you are eating it outside a
??>> meal. A banana is not bad, non-messy and you can remove
??>> the peel at once and hold the fruit especially if you like
??>> them barely ripe as I do. The seedless grape is about the
??>> only other fruit that I like eating between meals. Of
??>> course, if you can find wild berries and eat them then and
??>> there, they are also good but store-bought berries usually
??>> require extra sugar for my taste.

CH> Not me. From a kid who wouldn't eat any vegetables, I grew
CH> up into an adult who positively craves them on a daily
CH> basis. If I had only myself to cook for, I'd consider what
CH> vegetables I'd like to eat and then
CH> think about what meat would go with them.

CH> I'm rarely anywhere that I couldn't find a place to dispose
CH> of fruit remains.

A minor problem, especially if I use a waste basket, is that I
can smell the remains after an houtr or two!


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"l, not -l" > wrote in message
et...
>
> On 17-Mar-2008, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
>> Terry wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:47:29 -0700 (PDT):
>>
>> T> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
>> T> I eat meat and potatoes.
>>
>> I wonder how many people are with Terry?
>
> I used to be; but, had to change my ways for health reasons.
> Now I eat, and
> enjoy, many cruciferous vegetables, tomatoes and onions. I
> regularly
> marinate and roast zuchinni and yellow squash with peppers and
> onions,
> sometimes mushrooms (are they considered vegetables?). I
> have always
> enjoyed spinach and greens (mustard, turnip and especially
> collard, but
> didn't eat them much in days-gone-by, now I also have them
> regularly; greens
> with smoked pork shanks are among my favorite things to eat.

Along these lines, I was in Whole Foods today and they were
giving out samples of Colcannon. This is mashed potatoes with
finely chopped cooked cabbage, an Irish dish. I'd never wanted
to try it but it was surprisingly good, Here's a recipe from a
Scottish source:
http://tinyurl.com/yuvrf7

It's a bit sweeter and more fluid than mashed potatoes. If you
don't want to use butter or margarine, Butter Flavor: Molly
Butter and the like, work too and the ratio of cabbage to potato
(1:1) can be reduced. Don't cook the cabbage for more than 6
minutes. I suspect the cabbage was cooked to death in the
original Irish recipe :-) It can be made in a food processor.



--
Jim Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

James Silverton wrote:
>
> Along these lines, I was in Whole Foods today and they were
> giving out samples of Colcannon. This is mashed potatoes with
> finely chopped cooked cabbage, an Irish dish. I'd never wanted
> to try it but it was surprisingly good, Here's a recipe from a
> Scottish source:
> http://tinyurl.com/yuvrf7
>
> It's a bit sweeter and more fluid than mashed potatoes. If you
> don't want to use butter or margarine, Butter Flavor: Molly
> Butter and the like, work too and the ratio of cabbage to potato

That's Molly McButter to you, pal:

http://www.mollymcbutter.com/

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:30:56 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

>Along these lines, I was in Whole Foods today and they were
>giving out samples of Colcannon. This is mashed potatoes with
>finely chopped cooked cabbage, an Irish dish. I'd never wanted
>to try it but it was surprisingly good, Here's a recipe from a
>Scottish source:
>http://tinyurl.com/yuvrf7

I went to Dublin summer before last and actually looked for
Calcannon... but it was nowhere to be found. The staff at my B&B said
they'd heard of it, but had never eaten it. Not a popular dish over
there anymore, at least in the city. Calcannon reminds me of Bubble
and Squeak, which was my DD's favorite meal as a kid.
http://www.anenglishmaninamerica.co....eak-recipe.php

Here's my favorite version

BUBBLE-AND-SQUEAK
ala: The Frugal Gourmet

3 or more unpeeled potatoes (depending on size, boiled
(this meal is perfect for left over potatoes, so plan ahead)
4 cups cabbage, chopped, blanched
1/2 med yellow onion, peeled, chopped
1 zucchini, shredded or julienned
3 or more slices bacon, browned, chopped; reserve the fat
1/4 cup diced ham (optional)
fresh coarse-ground black pepper, to taste
salt to taste

Fry the bacon and boil the potatoes, which may be cut up into thirds
if you like; blanch the chopped cabbage in the potato water. Mash the
potatoes into rough lumps with your hands by squeezing them once
through your fingers. Just break them up. Add everything else but
the reserved bacon fat and stir it all together in a big mixing bowl.

Heat a frying pan of any size that is appropriate for the amount,
nonstick is okay. Put the bacon fat in the pan, heat, then press the
potato mixture into the pan. Fry it over medium-low to medium heat,
until the bottom is golden brown. This may take half an hour, but the
time depends on how thickly you've packed the pan. Loosen it with a
spatula and check the bottom. When it's browned enough around the
edges and underneath, put an inverted plate on top of the frying pan
and turn the whole thing over so the bubble-and-squeak falls out onto
the plate.

Serve.


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James Silverton wrote:
> Terry wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:47:29 -0700 (PDT):
>
>> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
>> I eat meat and potatoes.
>
> I wonder how many people are with Terry?
>
Not me. I love vegetables (cooked). As with some fresh fruits there's
something about the texture of most raw vegetables I dislike. You wouldn't
catch me biting into an apple (or an onion! LOL). But I love apple juice
(the real deal, not some sugar-added wannabe) and I certainly cook with
onions.

I love most cruciferous veggies (I could live without radishes, rutabaga and
turnips but like turnip greens); all sorts of squash (except for spaghetti
squash, it's that texture thing again), legumes, corn...

I like bananas, pineapple and most berries.

Jill

James Silverton wrote:
> Cindy wrote on Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:31:10 -0700 (PDT):
>
> CH> On Mar 17, 8:41 am, "James Silverton"
> CH> > wrote:
> ??>> Terry wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:47:29 -0700 (PDT):
> ??>>
> T>>> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
> T>>> I eat meat and potatoes.
> ??>>
> ??>> I wonder how many people are with Terry?
> ??>>
> ??>> I have to remind myself frequently to eat an adequate
> ??>> amount of non-starchy vegetables and I seldom have a
> ??>> craving for any of them. Asparagus perhaps, since I cannot
> ??>> bring myself to afford it during a good deal of the year
> ??>> and cauliflower, which goes well with the common sauces.
> ??>> French beans are another vegetable that rather like.
> ??>>
> ??>> I find also that I mostly eat fruit at breakfast time: banana
> ??>> and grapefruit or melons mostly. I also have a glass of
> ??>> orange juice at breakfast so I suppose I am eating an
> ??>> "adequate" amount of fruit. One of the problems I find
> ??>> with fruit, call me lazy if you wish, is that you usually
> ??>> can't eat the whole thing and you have to find a place to
> ??>> dispose of a core or rind if you are eating it outside a
> ??>> meal. A banana is not bad, non-messy and you can remove
> ??>> the peel at once and hold the fruit especially if you like
> ??>> them barely ripe as I do. The seedless grape is about the
> ??>> only other fruit that I like eating between meals. Of
> ??>> course, if you can find wild berries and eat them then and
> ??>> there, they are also good but store-bought berries usually
> ??>> require extra sugar for my taste.
>
> CH> Not me. From a kid who wouldn't eat any vegetables, I grew
> CH> up into an adult who positively craves them on a daily
> CH> basis. If I had only myself to cook for, I'd consider what
> CH> vegetables I'd like to eat and then
> CH> think about what meat would go with them.
>
> CH> I'm rarely anywhere that I couldn't find a place to dispose
> CH> of fruit remains.
>
> A minor problem, especially if I use a waste basket, is that I can smell
> the remains after an houtr or two!
>
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
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Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message >
> from sf contains these words:
>
>
>> I went to Dublin summer before last and actually looked for
>> Calcannon... but it was nowhere to be found.
>
> Like bubble and squeak it's a home-cooking economy dish to use up
> leftovers.
> My son's GF is rural-Irish and a wonderful cook; colcannon is one of
> her "comfort food" recipes from home.
>
> Janet.
>
>
While I might expect to find it served at a B&B, I can't quite picture it on
a restaurant menu

Jill

jmcquown wrote on Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:20:19 -0400:

j> Janet Baraclough wrote:
??>> The message >
??>> from sf contains these words:
??>>
??>>> I went to Dublin summer before last and actually looked
??>>> for Calcannon... but it was nowhere to be found.
??>>
??>> Like bubble and squeak it's a home-cooking economy dish
??>> to use up leftovers. My son's GF is rural-Irish and a
??>> wonderful cook; colcannon is one of her "comfort food"
??>> recipes from home.
??>>
??>> Janet.
??>>
j> While I might expect to find it served at a B&B, I can't
j> quite picture it on a restaurant menu

Neither can I but what amazed me was how good it tastes
especially since I had absolutely no interest in it before the
free sample! As my reference http://tinyurl.com/yuvrf7
indicates, colcannon can be browned in an oven and might then be
more suitable for a restaurant.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:39:45 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

>
>Neither can I but what amazed me was how good it tastes
>especially since I had absolutely no interest in it before the
>free sample! As my reference http://tinyurl.com/yuvrf7
>indicates, colcannon can be browned in an oven and might then be
>more suitable for a restaurant.
>
>James Silverton
>Potomac, Maryland
>
>E-mail, with obvious alterations:
>not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Our little Dinner Club chose Scotland as one of its countries last
year, and I must say that the colcannon was an absolute hit. I don't
even like cabbage and we don't often have potatoes, but I agree. It
was a really good taste and I didn't expect it, and I am glad I have
had it.

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wrote:

> Our little Dinner Club chose Scotland as one of its countries last
> year, and I must say that the colcannon was an absolute hit. I don't
> even like cabbage and we don't often have potatoes, but I agree. It
> was a really good taste and I didn't expect it, and I am glad I have
> had it.

How does colcannon differ from bubble and squeak? I grew up eating that
with leftover cabbage and potatoes, so fail to understand the difference
here?

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:18:27 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote:

wrote:
>
>> Our little Dinner Club chose Scotland as one of its countries last
>> year, and I must say that the colcannon was an absolute hit. I don't
>> even like cabbage and we don't often have potatoes, but I agree. It
>> was a really good taste and I didn't expect it, and I am glad I have
>> had it.
>
>How does colcannon differ from bubble and squeak? I grew up eating that
>with leftover cabbage and potatoes, so fail to understand the difference
>here?

I maybe be wrong, since I'm not British.... but I think the main
difference is a wee bit o' meat in the bubble & squeak.

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sf wrote on Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:12:17 -0700:

??>> wrote:
??>>
??>>> Our little Dinner Club chose Scotland as one of its
??>>> countries last year, and I must say that the colcannon
??>>> was an absolute hit. I don't even like cabbage and we
??>>> don't often have potatoes, but I agree. It was a really
??>>> good taste and I didn't expect it, and I am glad I
??>>> have had it.
??>>
??>> How does colcannon differ from bubble and squeak? I grew
??>> up eating that with leftover cabbage and potatoes, so fail
??>> to understand the difference here?

s> I maybe be wrong, since I'm not British.... but I think the
s> main difference is a wee bit o' meat in the bubble & squeak.

I mentioned I had not previously wanted to try colcannon and
the same applied to "Bubble and Squeak". My impression is that
colcannon is not fried and B&S is. My one attempt to make
colcannon used sliced cabbage cooked for 5 minutes.

Tho' colcannon may add other vegetables, B&S is more likely to
use any left-overs and sometimes meat is added to it. Pictures I
have seen of B&S make me suspect that the cabbage may have
received the traditional British cooking (20 minutes or more)
and then cooked agan! Now, where the name bubble and squeak
comes from, I'm not inclined investigate :-)

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

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"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news:LR7Ej.4374Pictures I
> have seen of B&S make me suspect that the cabbage may have received the
> traditional British cooking (20 minutes or more)

LOL true in the old days but not now)

I steam all my greens very lightly

James Silverton wrote:

> I mentioned I had not previously wanted to try colcannon and the same
> applied to "Bubble and Squeak". My impression is that colcannon is not
> fried and B&S is. My one attempt to make colcannon used sliced cabbage
> cooked for 5 minutes.
>
> Tho' colcannon may add other vegetables, B&S is more likely to use any
> left-overs and sometimes meat is added to it. Pictures I have seen of
> B&S make me suspect that the cabbage may have received the traditional
> British cooking (20 minutes or more) and then cooked agan! Now, where
> the name bubble and squeak comes from, I'm not inclined investigate :-)
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland

My mother said it came from the sound of the steam building up and
causing bubbles and pipsqueak type sounds as you fried it.
She always used leftover cabbage, potatoes (perhaps a few odd cooked
carrots) from an Italian version of "New England boiled dinner" that we
made using pepperoni instead of any other cut of meat. It was delicious
the first time and then again recreated into bubble and squeak.

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:16:00 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote:

>"Dan Rouse wrote:
>> "Terry" wrote
>...> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
>> > I eat meat and potatoes.
>>
>> > A friend suggested those new V8 juices. ?I still have to force myself
>> > to have one, but they are quite good and good for you.
>>
>> > Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks are like
>> > fruit juice.
>>
>> According to the ingredients label, the V8 V-Fusion drinks are a
>> reconstituted blend of vegetables (such as sweet potatoes and purple
>> carrots) combined with a blend of fruit juices from concentrate (such as
>> apple, white grape, pomegranite, blueberry). If I recall correctly, these
>> are also fortified with Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid). It doesn't appear that
>> these drinks have any added sugar either.
>>
>> So far, I have seen that there are four varieties of the V-Fusion drinks:
>> Peach Mango, Strawberry Banana, Pomegranite Blueberry, and Acai Berry. The
>> actual blend of vegetables and fruit juices varies depending on the specific
>> V-Fusion variety.
>>
>> Tastewise--I would also agree, they taste more like fruit juice.
>
>Check their nutritional values... I don't think any of those products
>are beneficially healthful to any meaningful degree. You are much
>better off eating real fruit and vegies.
>
>http://www.campbellwellness.com/prod....asp?brandID=8
>
>You gotta be pretty friggin' lazy to get your fruit as juice outta a
>can... don't you have teeth, I bet you haven't been to a dentist since
>3rd grade... how much effort is it to peel and chew a juicy navel
>orange or a ruby red grapefruit. The market always has a selection of
>beautiful fresh fruit and veggies... and you can see what you're
>eating. Eating your fruit and veggies out of a can is tantamount to
>eating pre ground mystery meat... they gotta do something with all the
>buggy bruised rotting produce that's truly only fit for the
>composter... squish it all up, strain out the maggots, can it, and
>sell it to the pinheads. What a bunch of imbeciles, they'll eat shit
>if it's served up in a purty package.

I never really got the point of telling people to eat fruit instead of
drinking juice at *all*. I don't drink juice as a substitute for
fruit. I eat as much fruit and vegetables as I want AND I have a glass
of juice now and then because I like juice and it's healthful. A piece
of fruit or vegetable is not a beverage, so it doesn't fulfill the
same desire.

I normally buy the V8 Fusion juices when they're on sale or the
not-from-concentrate orange juices or orange-pineapple juices. I'm not
big on red juices.

Laurie

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:46:10 +0000 (UTC), enigma >
wrote:

>Terry > wrote in

>oups.com:
>
>> I am not much of a fruit or vegetable kind of guy.
>> I eat meat and potatoes.
>>
>> A friend suggested those new V8 juices. I still have to
>> force myself to have one, but they are quite good and good
>> for you.
>
> they're not nearly as good for you as real juice. they are
>also *way* too sweet.

They are real juice.

You might be thinking of V8 Splash, which is a juice drink. I really
like most of the V8 Fusion flavors (not fond of Tropical Orange but
love Peach Mango), but I've only tried the V8 Splash a couple of
times. I think I tried the low-cal ones. They were thin and pretty
sweet; there's more body to the Fusion drinks.

>> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks
>> are like fruit juice.
>
> regular V8 tastes like a salt lick. i much prefer Knudsen's
>Very Veggie, if i'm not juicing my own.
> really, why should there be HFCS in juice?
>lee

I like V8, but I've never tried anything else other than store brands.
My mom gave me an ancient juicer, but it was missing the thing that
pushes the food down, so I tried shoving celery with a knife handle
and ended up with about 1/4 cup of bright-green yuck. At some point
I'll try juicing at home again. I really enjoy utilizing fresh
veggies.

As far as HFCS, it isn't in juice of course so there isn't any in V8
Fusion. But I didn't realize it was in V8 splash. It's one thing to
have it in junk products, but it's really bad when it's in stuff
that's touted as healthful. Then again, I pretty much automatically
consider juice drinks to be more of a soft drink than a juice. It's
unfortunate that people are so in the habit of calling it *juice* when
it's not 100 percent juice.

I also find it bothersome that HFCS is in yogurt -- in lots of brands.
I didn't do an extensive search, but I saw it on several different
labels.

Laurei

Laurie S. > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:46:10 +0000 (UTC), enigma
> > wrote:
>> they're not nearly as good for you as real juice. they are
>>also *way* too sweet.
>
> They are real juice.
>
> You might be thinking of V8 Splash, which is a juice drink.
> I really like most of the V8 Fusion flavors (not fond of
> Tropical Orange but love Peach Mango), but I've only tried
> the V8 Splash a couple of times. I think I tried the
> low-cal ones. They were thin and pretty sweet; there's more
> body to the Fusion drinks.
>
>>> Regular V8 tastes like tomato juice but the Fusion drinks
>>> are like fruit juice.
>>
>> regular V8 tastes like a salt lick. i much prefer
>> Knudsen's
>>Very Veggie, if i'm not juicing my own.
>> really, why should there be HFCS in juice?
>
> I like V8, but I've never tried anything else other than
> store brands.

store brands will likely be relabelled V8. try finding some
Knudsen's. it's really better than V8.

> As far as HFCS, it isn't in juice of course so there isn't
> any in V8 Fusion. But I didn't realize it was in V8 splash.
> It's one thing to have it in junk products, but it's really
> bad when it's in stuff that's touted as healthful. Then
> again, I pretty much automatically consider juice drinks to
> be more of a soft drink than a juice. It's unfortunate that
> people are so in the habit of calling it *juice* when it's
> not 100 percent juice.

many products are touted as "healthful" in the US, even when
they obviously are NOT. i just saw a 2 page ad in a women's
magazine at the doctor's office that was pushing potato chips
{!} as a part of a "busy family's healthy diet". ok, suuuure.
V8 Splash is a junk drink.

i like this from the V8 Fusion FAQ:

> What vegetable and fruit juices are included in V8
> V-Fusion®? Strawberry Banana contains the juice of 10
> vegetables and fruits: sweet potatoes, carrots, tomatoes,
> beets, white grapes, oranges, apples, strawberries,
> bananas, banana puree.

that's really 9, not 10. banana & banana puree might be
different ingredients but they are the same fruit.

> Tropical Orange contains the juice of 6 vegetables and
> fruits: sweet potatoes, carrots, yellow tomatoes, white
> grapes, oranges, pineapple.

ok

> Peach Mango contains the juice of 8 vegetables and fruits:
> sweet potatoes, yellow tomatoes, yellow carrots, carrots,
> white grapes, oranges, peaches, mango puree.

again, carrots are carrots. so one is orange & one is
yellow...

> Pomegranate Blueberry contains the juice of 8 vegetables
> and fruits: sweet potatoes, purple carrots, tomatoes,
> carrots, apples, white grapes, pomegranates, blueberries.

2 colors of carrot again.

> Açai Mixed Berry contains the juice of 8 vegetables and
> fruits: sweet potatoes, purple carrots, carrots, apples,
> white grapes, açai, blueberries, limes.

and again...
not to mention that white grape & apple juices are both empty
calorie sweeteners.

funny how marketing works.


> I also find it bothersome that HFCS is in yogurt -- in lots
> of brands. I didn't do an extensive search, but I saw it on
> several different labels.

unless it's labelled "organic", any yogurt in the US probably
has HFCS. have you read your bread labels recently?
i just sent Ben & Jerry's a blistering email because *all*
their ice cream labels say "all natural" in a big banner at
the top, but most of them contain HFCS, which is NOT a
natural product & is therefore false advertising. it takes
me a long time to shop for groceries because i read every
damn label, even on items i've previously purchased, because
you never know when a company will start using cheap crap
ingredients to save a dime. pickles! HFCS in freaking
pickles! <sigh>
lee <sent the child back to the cereal aisle when he brought
me something with artificial sweetener, & said it didn't have
HFCS... told him to get *sugar*>
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