It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and water on
the night of the "Last Supper". George Leonard Herter, in his legendary
cookbook "Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices",
published in 1961, says that he had beef[probably mutton], boiled in water
seasoned with cinnamon, cardamon, allspice, nutmeg, bay, and garlic. He
suggests this may have been the genesis of corned beef. George L. Herter
wrote a now legendary series of books, including "How to Live with Bitch",
and "George the Housewife" in addition to his three volumes of cookbooks.
If you ever see any of these in a used book store, grab them. For the
rec.food.cooking junkies they are a great nighttime read. Every cowboy,
rancher, hunter, fisherman and farmer slept with the Herter's catalogue at
his side when I was growing up. He was the first cousin of Christian
Herter[Secretary of State under Eisenhower], and was my father's
elementary and high school classmate.

Take a look at and read the reviews at:
http://www.amazon.com/review/product...By=addFiveStar

Happy St. Pat's, Happy Easter,

Kent

Kent wrote:
> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and
> water on the night of the "Last Supper".

I've never heard that bread and water was all that was present. It was
always presented that the food was typical of the Sabbath. The post was
interesting.

Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:

DB> Kent wrote:
??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".

DB> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
DB> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
DB> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.

The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
news:cqgDj.8413$Id3.2411@trnddc07...
> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
>
> DB> Kent wrote:
> ??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
> ??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
>
> DB> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
> DB> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
> DB> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.
>
> The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?


It was and that means wine, not water. Every Jew is obliged to drink four
cups of wine though they allow grape juice as a substitute.

Paul

James Silverton wrote:
> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
>
>> Kent wrote:
>>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
>>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
>
>> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
>> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
>> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.
>
> The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?

I think so.

"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
news:vSgDj.10992$k92.4515@trndny06...
> James Silverton wrote:
>> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
>>
>>> Kent wrote:
>>>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
>>>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
>>
>>> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
>>> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
>>> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.
>>
>> The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?
>
> I think so.

And then there was the last brunch.

Paul

"l, not -l" > wrote in message
...
>
> On 16-Mar-2008, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>> And then there was the last brunch.
>>
>> Paul
>
> According to the lost Gospel of Willie, the last brunch was held at
> Denny's
> where everyone enjoyed the everlasting-stack of pancakes and bottomless
> cup
> of coffee. Some are said to have ordered side-meats of ham and sausage,
> but that translation has not yet been confirmed. The water, served upon
> request, was said to have tasted like Fruit2O that day

Ham and sausage? For Jews? I am thinking possibly you may be joking.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
news:IAhDj.613$bN3.429@trnddc03...
>
> "l, not -l" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> On 16-Mar-2008, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>>
>>> And then there was the last brunch.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> According to the lost Gospel of Willie, the last brunch was held at
>> Denny's
>> where everyone enjoyed the everlasting-stack of pancakes and bottomless
>> cup
>> of coffee. Some are said to have ordered side-meats of ham and sausage,
>> but that translation has not yet been confirmed. The water, served upon
>> request, was said to have tasted like Fruit2O that day
>
> Ham and sausage? For Jews? I am thinking possibly you may be joking.
>
> Paul
>

:

That's me looking at you.

"l, not -l" > wrote in message
...
>
> On 16-Mar-2008, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>> And then there was the last brunch.
>>
>> Paul
>
> According to the lost Gospel of Willie, the last brunch was held at
> Denny's
> where everyone enjoyed the everlasting-stack of pancakes and bottomless
> cup
> of coffee. Some are said to have ordered side-meats of ham and sausage,
> but that translation has not yet been confirmed. The water, served upon
> request, was said to have tasted like Fruit2O that day
> --
hahaha!

"l, not -l" > wrote in message
...
>
> On 16-Mar-2008, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
>> And then there was the last brunch.
>>
>> Paul
>
> According to the lost Gospel of Willie, the last brunch was held at
> Denny's
> where everyone enjoyed the everlasting-stack of pancakes and bottomless
> cup
> of coffee. Some are said to have ordered side-meats of ham and sausage,

What, no bacon? Blasphemy!!

> but that translation has not yet been confirmed. The water, served upon
> request, was said to have tasted like Fruit2O that day
> --
Would have been wine. But even if they had water, did it have only 25
calories?!!! LOL

Jill <--gets a kick out of the ads for water with less calories. Funny,
mine has none

James Silverton wrote:
> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
>
> DB> Kent wrote:
> ??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
> ??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
>
> DB> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
> DB> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
> DB> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.
>
> The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?
>
>
> James Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland
>
> E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
As Jesus and His Apostles were all Jews, and the dinner was prepared for
the Passover, I'd say it probably was a Seder. In any case, the New
Testament description of the meal was very brief, speaking only of the
bread Jesus broke and served, and the cup of wine. A Christian tradition
in remembrance of that moment is called Communion (a morsel of
unleavened bread and a sip of wine).
Not water. Wine.
I have never heard any sermon describing the Last Supper as being "Bread
and water", and until this interesting discussion arose from that post,
I was ready to ignore it as newsgroup foolishness.

Dave Bugg wrote:
> Kent wrote:
>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and
>> water on the night of the "Last Supper".
>
> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was present. It was
> always presented that the food was typical of the Sabbath. The post was
> interesting.
>
>
It was a Passover Seder. They probably ate matzo

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

"Mark Allread" > wrote in message
t...
> James Silverton wrote:
>> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
>>
>> DB> Kent wrote:
>> ??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
>> ??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
>>
>> E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
> As Jesus and His Apostles were all Jews, and the dinner was prepared for
> the Passover, I'd say it probably was a Seder. In any case, the New
> Testament description of the meal was very brief, speaking only of the
> bread Jesus broke and served, and the cup of wine. A Christian tradition
> in remembrance of that moment is called Communion (a morsel of unleavened
> bread and a sip of wine).
> Not water. Wine.
> I have never heard any sermon describing the Last Supper as being "Bread
> and water", and until this interesting discussion arose from that post, I
> was ready to ignore it as newsgroup foolishness.
>
>
Post Reformation Lutherans, especially those in Scandinavia, and
particularly those in Norway do not recognize the wine part of the phrase.
It's read as "bread and water". This is particularly true in the US. George
Leonard Herter was from Waseca, Minnesota.

Kent



Kent

"Kent" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mark Allread" > wrote in message
> t...
>> James Silverton wrote:
>>> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
>>>
>>> DB> Kent wrote:
>>> ??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
>>> ??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
>>>
>>> E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
>> As Jesus and His Apostles were all Jews, and the dinner was prepared for
>> the Passover, I'd say it probably was a Seder. In any case, the New
>> Testament description of the meal was very brief, speaking only of the
>> bread Jesus broke and served, and the cup of wine. A Christian tradition
>> in remembrance of that moment is called Communion (a morsel of unleavened
>> bread and a sip of wine).
>> Not water. Wine.
>> I have never heard any sermon describing the Last Supper as being "Bread
>> and water", and until this interesting discussion arose from that post, I
>> was ready to ignore it as newsgroup foolishness.
>>
>>
> Post Reformation Lutherans, especially those in Scandinavia, and
> particularly those in Norway do not recognize the wine part of the phrase.
> It's read as "bread and water". This is particularly true in the US.
> George Leonard Herter was from Waseca, Minnesota.
>
> Kent
>
If you were trying to start a religious debate you failed miserably.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kent" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Mark Allread" > wrote in message
>> t...
>>> James Silverton wrote:
>>>> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
>>>>
>>>> DB> Kent wrote:
>>>> ??>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
>>>> ??>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
>>>>
>>>> E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
>>> As Jesus and His Apostles were all Jews, and the dinner was prepared for
>>> the Passover, I'd say it probably was a Seder. In any case, the New
>>> Testament description of the meal was very brief, speaking only of the
>>> bread Jesus broke and served, and the cup of wine. A Christian tradition
>>> in remembrance of that moment is called Communion (a morsel of
>>> unleavened bread and a sip of wine).
>>> Not water. Wine.
>>> I have never heard any sermon describing the Last Supper as being "Bread
>>> and water", and until this interesting discussion arose from that post,
>>> I was ready to ignore it as newsgroup foolishness.
>>>
>>>
>> Post Reformation Lutherans, especially those in Scandinavia, and
>> particularly those in Norway do not recognize the wine part of the
>> phrase. It's read as "bread and water". This is particularly true in the
>> US. George Leonard Herter was from Waseca, Minnesota.
>>
>> Kent
>>
> If you were trying to start a religious debate you failed miserably.
>
I'm not at all Jill. The "bread and water" came out of Herter's cookbook. I
recalled in the middle of the night that I was given 1TB of red wine at my
confirmation.

Kent

On Mar 16, 1:43*pm, "Kent" > wrote:
> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and water on
> the night of the "Last Supper". *George Leonard Herter, in his legendary
> cookbook "Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices",
>

And "bull" is the key abbreviation here.

>
> published in 1961, says that he had beef [probably mutton],
>

Yes, mutton is my favourite cut of beef too. I also like the duck
beef.

Or do you mean that Jesus had some beef with Judas eating mutton?

>
> boiled in water
>

Yummee! He didn't turn it into wine, did he? Or did he just walk all
over it?

>
> seasoned with cinnamon, cardamon, allspice,
>

And since allspice comes from Jamaica, this finally proves that
America was first discovered and settled by us Hebrews many millenia
ago. Mazel Tov! Guten Menschen!

http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/Pime_dio.html

Allspice (Pimenta dioica [L.] Mer.)

Origin: Jamaica, which is also the main exporter. Several other
Central American states (e.g, México, Honduras) produce this spice,
but their quality is considered inferior.

>
> nutmeg, bay, and garlic. He
> suggests this may have been the genesis of corned beef. *George L. Herter
> wrote a now legendary series of books, including "How to Live with Bitch",
>

A very popular manual in many prisons to this day.

>
> and "George the Housewife" in addition to his three volumes of cookbooks.
> If you ever see any of these in a used book store, grab them. For the
> rec.food.cooking junkies they are a great nighttime read. Every cowboy,
> rancher, hunter, fisherman and farmer slept with the Herter's catalogue at
> his side when I was growing up.
>

When was that? When I was growing up, most men preferred to sleep with
their own wives or special others' wives. Or with George (see above).

>
> He was the first cousin of Christian
> Herter[Secretary of State under Eisenhower], and was my father's
> elementary and high school classmate.
>
> Take a look at and read the reviews at:http://www.amazon.com/review/product...By=addFiveStar
>

Is it a Cognac then?

>
> Happy St. Pat's, Happy Easter,
>
> Kent
>

Thanks. But don't pass over Passover, the holiday celebrated here in
America for many millenia.

On Mar 16, 3:08*pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
>
> news:vSgDj.10992$k92.4515@trndny06...
>
> > James Silverton wrote:
> >> Dave *wrote *on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
>
> >>> Kent wrote:
> >>>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
> >>>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
>
> >>> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
> >>> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
> >>> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.
>
> >> The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?
>
> > I think so.
>
> And then there was the last brunch.
>
> Paul
>

LOL. But how would you know, Paul? You weren't there. Did Peter tell
you? Did he pay you to say this?

On Mar 16, 3:54*pm, "l, not -l" > wrote:
> On 16-Mar-2008, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
>
> > And then there was the last brunch.
>
> > Paul
>
> According to the lost Gospel of Willie, the last brunch was held at Denny's
> where everyone enjoyed the everlasting-stack of pancakes and bottomless cup
>

So big that Jesus almost drowned in it.

>
> of coffee.
>

Arabica no doubt. Mean cup of Java!

Mary Magdalene had eggs over easy. She was stoned, as was Peter.

http://www.thesaveloyfactory.com/pai...n-toast-01.jpg

Judas secretely had H&H bagels with Nova Scotia lox and Trader Judas
cream cheese.

http://static.flickr.com/49/186175904_6dd89f369e.jpg

He later secretely walked over to a French restaurant next door and
had Iscargot for 30 bucks a pop, Simon said. Thomas preferred
waffles. Peter and Andrew had fish.

>
>* Some are said to have ordered side-meats of ham and sausage,
> but that translation has not yet been confirmed.
>

This is baloney, Mark my words.

St. Thomas too finds this very doubtful.

Probably a copying typo. They misread "house swine" when the original
read: "house wine". Jesus even said: "May he who is without Zin make
the first toast!".

Heavy fair. Matthew found it particularly taxing.
>
> *The water, served upon
> request, was said to have tasted like Fruit2O that day
>

A homophobic Zionist lie. There was no water. Only wine. Zin, Nemiroff
and Manischewitz by the shofar. Shofar - so good!

>
> Change Cujo to Juno in email address.
>

Ju, no?

> wrote in message
...
On Mar 16, 3:08 pm, "Paul M. Cook" > wrote:
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
>
> news:vSgDj.10992$k92.4515@trndny06...
>
> > James Silverton wrote:
> >> Dave wrote on Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:46:51 GMT:
>
> >>> Kent wrote:
> >>>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had
> >>>> bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
>
> >>> I've never heard that bread and water was all that was
> >>> present. It was always presented that the food was typical
> >>> of the Sabbath. The post was interesting.
>
> >> The Last Supper was a Seder wasn't it?
>
> > I think so.
>
> And then there was the last brunch.
>
> Paul
>

>LOL. But how would you know, Paul? You weren't there. Did Peter tell
>you? Did he pay you to say this?


No, I had to cater it. Let me tell ya, you've never had a challenge until
you've had to find kosher ham and pork sausage.

Paul

On 17-Mar-2008, wrote:

> On Mar 16, 1:43*pm, "Kent" > wrote:
> > It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and
> > water on
> > the night of the "Last Supper". *George Leonard Herter, in his legendary
> > cookbook "Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices",
> >
>
> And "bull" is the key abbreviation here.
>
> >
> > published in 1961, says that he had beef [probably mutton],
> >
>
> Yes, mutton is my favourite cut of beef too. I also like the duck
> beef.

Oh, don't be silly - it all tastes like chicken!

Susan

On Mar 17, 9:59*pm, wrote:
> On 17-Mar-2008, wrote:
> > On Mar 16, 1:43*pm, "Kent" > wrote:
> > > It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and
> > > water on
> > > the night of the "Last Supper". *George Leonard Herter, in his legendary
> > > cookbook "Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices",
>
> > And "bull" is the key abbreviation here.
>
> > > published in 1961, says that he had beef [probably mutton],
>
> > Yes, mutton is my favourite cut of beef too. I also like the duck
> > beef.
>
> Oh, don't be silly - it all tastes like chicken!
>

Only if pigs can fly

On Mar 17, 8:43*am, wrote:
> On Mar 16, 1:43*pm, "Kent" > wrote:
>
> > It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and water on
> > the night of the "Last Supper". *George Leonard Herter, in his legendary
> > cookbook "Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices",
>
> And "bull" is the key abbreviation here.
>
> > published in 1961, says that he had beef [probably mutton],
>
> Yes, mutton is my favourite cut of beef too. I also like the duck
> beef.

Duck beef !!?
I didn't know that duck-beef dog food was available for you.
One of your favs?

wrote:
> On Mar 17, 9:59 pm, wrote:
>> On 17-Mar-2008, wrote:
>>> On Mar 16, 1:43 pm, "Kent" > wrote:
>>>> It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles
>>>> had bread and water on the night of the "Last Supper".
>>>> George Leonard Herter, in his legendary cookbook
>>>> "Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices",
>>>> And "bull" is the key abbreviation here.
>>>> published in 1961, says that he had beef [probably mutton],
>>> Yes, mutton is my favourite cut of beef too.
>>> I also like the duck beef.
>> Oh, don't be silly - it all tastes like chicken!
> Only if pigs can fly

EL AL ??

On Mar 18, 2:49*am, wrote:
> On Mar 17, 8:43*am, wrote:
>
> > On Mar 16, 1:43*pm, "Kent" > wrote:
>
> > > It has long been preached that Jesus and his Apostles had bread and water on
> > > the night of the "Last Supper". *George Leonard Herter, in his legendary
> > > cookbook "Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices",
>
> > And "bull" is the key abbreviation here.
>
> > > published in 1961, says that he had beef [probably mutton],
>
> > Yes, mutton is my favourite cut of beef too. I also like the duck
> > beef.
>
> Duck beef !!?
> I didn't know that duck-beef dog food was available for you.
> One of your favs?
>

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