On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:05:38 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>On Apr 23, 12:21 pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:20:48 -0500, Becca >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >The actress Christina Ricci grew up without watching television. She
>> >read books, and the first time she heard the word "chaos" in school, she
>> >thought they were mispronouncing it.
>>
>> >Becca
>>
>> i had that problem myself. i thought (reasonably enough, i felt) that
>> 'grotesque' was pronounced 'grots-cue.'
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>My granddaughter, only reading "Penelope" in the HP books,
>mispronounced it and then argued with me, until I could prove the
>correct pronunciation. We argue a lot ;-) She's a straight-A
>student; it's good for her to have someone around who knows more about
>wordplay, pronunciation, grammar and punctuation, like me.
>
>N.

'penelope' threw me for long time, too. i thought it was like
'jackalope.'

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:05:52 -0400, T >
wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> > On Tue 22 Apr 2008 08:02:13p, sf told us...
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:28:40 -0500, Becca >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I pack light, but when I travel for work, I may need a 2nd bag.
>> >> Is there any law against packing your own food?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > The way things are now, there probably is unless it's something pre-
>> > packaged.
>> >
>> > With the extreme (I'd like to say idiotic) restrictions placed on airline
>> > travel today, I'm damned glad that I don't have to travel for work.
>> >
>> > I used to really love plane travel, but now I dread the thought of it. The
>> > last flight I took, the seats were so cramped and uncomfortable, I felt
>> > sick the entire trip and afterwards. If I could afford the time and the
>> > expense, I'd take the train anytime.
>> >
>> I'm working on a trip to Maryland for DW, train costs more than airfare
>> and takes four times as long. I wish the days when traveling by train
>> was as easy as going down to the station and buying a seat on a train
>> going anywhere you wanted to go.
>
>And to understand why the trains are so expensive all you have to do is
>look who gets the biggest subsidies. It's the air travel industry that
>gets the biggest bite.
>
>Luckily if I need to go between Boston and D.C. it's on the Acela line.
>But even that is relatively slow.

i used to love the metroliner between d.c. and new york. didn't
always make the three-hour time promised, but what the hell, it had a
bar car.

your pal,
blake

On 2008-04-24, blake murphy > wrote:

> i used to love the metroliner between d.c. and new york. didn't
> always make the three-hour time promised, but what the hell, it had a
> bar car.

A nice one? I've been searching for the elusive bar/lounge car forever. I
used to see them as a kid, beautiful Pullman lounge cars with sofas and big
chairs around itty-bitty tables and nicely dressed people enjoying cocktails
and cigars and a little bar in the far corner with a barman in a bellboy
jacket shining glasses. But, I had to walk straight through, being only
9-10 yrs old. Now, that I'm an adult, they seem to exist no longer. Amtrak
cars are combo observation/snackbar cars with McDonalds-style hard plastic
seating and candy machine food/booze. No class at all.

nb

On Apr 23, 5:05*pm, "Giusi" > wrote:
> "Tracy" > ha scritto nel rg...
>
> > George Shirley wrote:
> >> Tracy wrote:
>
> >>> What about deus ex machinas? I still don't know how to say that! Doos X
> >>> Masheen us?
> >>> ;-)
>
> >>> -Tracy
> >> DAY-uhs-eks-MAH-koo-noo
>
> > Thanks. *;-)
> > I hope I can remember that! "koo-noo"? *Really?
>
> > Tracy
>
> No.

Depends on your Latin teacher. Until Gr 11 I would have said machino
but a suddend change in policy changed it to makino

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Apr 24, 12:51*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:06:53 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Apr 23, 2:06 pm, Tracy > wrote:
> >> notbob wrote:
> >> > On 2008-04-23, blake murphy > wrote:
> >> >>> The actress Christina Ricci grew up without watching television. She
> >> >>> read books, and the first time she heard the word "chaos" in school, she
> >> >>> thought they were mispronouncing it.
>
> >> >> i had that problem myself. *i thought (reasonably enough, i felt) that
> >> >> 'grotesque' was pronounced 'grots-cue.'
>
> >> > Hee hee.... BTDT! *As a heavy reader, I too was guilty of such faux pas.
> >> > Chaos was chowss, voila was the fiddle mispelled, etc. *
>
> >> > nb
>
> >> What about deus ex machinas? I still don't know how to say that! Doos X
> >> Masheen us?
> >> ;-)
>
> >> -Tracy
>
> >If you had taken Latin in school, like a lot of us in my generation
> >did, you would know. *Would it make you a better person? *probably
> >not.
>
> >N. ;-)
>
> i thought it was fun, though. *my high school teach was an ex-jesuit,
> very sharp guy. *i learned more about english from him than anybody
> else. *

Four years of Latin did wonders for my written English.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Apr 23, 6:43*pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> Becca wrote:
> > Nancy2 wrote:
> >> On Apr 22, 7:01 am, Wayne Boatwright
> >> > wrote:
> >>> On Mon 21 Apr 2008 11:30:05p, sf told us...
>
> >>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:30:27 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> I got a very warm reply of thanks and an explanation that TIA was
> >>>>> an acronym for "Thanks in Advance", not her name. *Whattid I
> >>>>> know? :-)
> >>>> Oh, you *do* know that Tia is Aunt in Spanish. *LOL! *It wasn't
> >>>> bad as far as newbie mistakes go in this day and age.
> >>> Yes, I did know that. *I had also worked with a girl many years ago
> >>> whose first name was Tia.
>
> >>> --
>
> >> I worked with a girl named Yvonne. *Only her mom apparently didn't
> >> know how to pronounce the name, had only seen it in print. *The
> >> girl's name was pronounced: *Y-vonn-eee, emphasis on the second
> >> syllable. N.
>
> > The actress Christina Ricci grew up without watching television. She
> > read books, and the first time she heard the word "chaos" in school,
> > she thought they were mispronouncing it.
>
> > Becca
>
> I had never heard the word "applique" pronounced so I thought it was
> "ap-pleek"

And without the accent it is even more confusing. Appliqué makes
sense.

applique to me is a -pleek.

appliqué

"Tracy" > wrote in message
...
> Default User wrote:
>> George Shirley wrote:
>>
>>> Tracy wrote:
>>>> George Shirley wrote:
>>>>> Tracy wrote:
>>>>>> What about deus ex machinas? I still don't know how to say
>>>>>> that! Doos X Masheen us? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Tracy
>>>>> DAY-uhs-eks-MAH-koo-noo
>>>> Thanks. ;-)
>>>> I hope I can remember that! "koo-noo"? Really?
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>> That's what the online dictionary says.
>>
>> Which one? Merriam-Webster has:
>> da-?s-?eks-'mä-ki-n?, -'ma-, -?nä; -m?-'she-n?\
>> <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deus%20ex%20machinas>
>>
>> If the symbols don't survive, the primary is:
>>
>> DAY uhs eks MAH ki nuh, which is always how I've heard it. No koos or
>> noos.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>
> Yeah, that's more like I thought.....but I still can't help thinking
> machine us.
> ;-)
>

The last "s" isn't silent.

This should be good for 125 posts.

What a bunch of freaks.

lol

On Apr 23, 5:34*am, George Shirley > wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > On Tue 22 Apr 2008 08:02:13p, sf told us...
>
> >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:28:40 -0500, Becca >
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> I pack light, but when I travel for work, I may need a 2nd bag.
> >> Is there any law against packing your own food?
>
> > The way things are now, there probably is unless it's something pre-
> > packaged.
>
> > With the extreme (I'd like to say idiotic) restrictions placed on airline
> > travel today, I'm damned glad that I don't have to travel for work. *
>
> > I used to really love plane travel, but now I dread the thought of it. *The
> > last flight I took, the seats were so cramped and uncomfortable, I felt
> > sick the entire trip and afterwards. *If I could afford the time and the
> > expense, I'd take the train anytime.
>
> I'm working on a trip to Maryland for DW, train costs more than airfare
> and takes four times as long. I wish the days when traveling by train
> was as easy as going down to the station and buying a seat on a train
> going anywhere you wanted to go.
>
> I've probably flown a million miles or more on aircraft but have come to
> despise that form of transportation. Seats get smaller as my butt gets
> larger, the seats are closer together, no meal service on many routes,
> the bathrooms are overloaded and smelly, surly attendants, you name it.
>
> Our Hyundai gets really good mileage but driving 1400 miles at our age
> is a real chore. I reckon she's going to fly again. After all, how many
> times does your momma turn 100 years old!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Wow- happy birthday, George's Mom!!

Tracy wrote:

> Default User wrote:

> > Which one? Merriam-Webster has:
> > da-?s-?eks-'ma-ki-n?, -'ma-, -?na; -m?-'she-n?\
> > <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deus%20ex%20machinas>
> >
> > If the symbols don't survive, the primary is:
> >
> > DAY uhs eks MAH ki nuh, which is always how I've heard it. No koos
> > or noos.

> Yeah, that's more like I thought.....but I still can't help thinking
> machine us. ;-)

That's close to one of the alternate pronunciations, see the dictionary
link.




Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

On Apr 24, 12:22*pm, John Kane > wrote:
> On Apr 23, 6:43*pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Becca wrote:
> > > Nancy2 wrote:
> > >> On Apr 22, 7:01 am, Wayne Boatwright
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>> On Mon 21 Apr 2008 11:30:05p, sf told us...
>
> > >>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:30:27 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > >>>> > wrote:
> > >>>>> I got a very warm reply of thanks and an explanation that TIA was
> > >>>>> an acronym for "Thanks in Advance", not her name. *Whattid I
> > >>>>> know? :-)
> > >>>> Oh, you *do* know that Tia is Aunt in Spanish. *LOL! *It wasn't
> > >>>> bad as far as newbie mistakes go in this day and age.
> > >>> Yes, I did know that. *I had also worked with a girl many years ago
> > >>> whose first name was Tia.
>
> > >>> --
>
> > >> I worked with a girl named Yvonne. *Only her mom apparently didn't
> > >> know how to pronounce the name, had only seen it in print. *The
> > >> girl's name was pronounced: *Y-vonn-eee, emphasis on the second
> > >> syllable. N.
>
> > > The actress Christina Ricci grew up without watching television. She
> > > read books, and the first time she heard the word "chaos" in school,
> > > she thought they were mispronouncing it.
>
> > > Becca
>
> > I had never heard the word "applique" pronounced so I thought it was
> > "ap-pleek"
>
> And without the accent it is even more confusing. Appliqué *makes
> sense.
>
> applique to me is a -pleek.
>
> appliqué- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, it's obvious you aren't a person who sews ;-)

N.

On Apr 23, 11:14*pm, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:
> On Wed 23 Apr 2008 02:06:53p, Nancy2 told us...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 23, 2:06 pm, Tracy > wrote:
> >> notbob wrote:
> >> > On 2008-04-23, blake murphy > wrote:
> >> >>> The actress Christina Ricci grew up without watching television.
> >> >>> She read books, and the first time she heard the word "chaos" in
> >> >>> school, she thought they were mispronouncing it.
>
> >> >> i had that problem myself. *i thought (reasonably enough, i felt)
> >> >> that 'grotesque' was pronounced 'grots-cue.'
>
> >> > Hee hee.... BTDT! *As a heavy reader, I too was guilty of such faux
> >> > pas. Chaos was chowss, voila was the fiddle mispelled, etc. *
>
> >> > nb
>
> >> What about deus ex machinas? I still don't know how to say that! Doos X
> >> Masheen us?
> >> ;-)
>
> >> -Tracy
>
> > If you had taken Latin in school, like a lot of us in my generation
> > did, you would know. *Would it make you a better person? *probably
> > not.
>
> > N. ;-)
>
> Would I care? Probably not. *I took German and French. *Somehow I felt it
> was a better choice to take languages that were actually in spoken usage.
>
> --
> * * * * * * *Wayne Boatwright * * * * * *

We were encouraged to take Latin because it's a basis for so much of
other languages. I found it quite useful.

I took a couple years' worth of German. We learned how to ask for
cigarettes, and how to get to the railroad station.

N.

On Thu 24 Apr 2008 01:39:39p, Nancy2 told us...

> On Apr 23, 11:14*pm, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>> On Wed 23 Apr 2008 02:06:53p, Nancy2 told us...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 23, 2:06 pm, Tracy > wrote:
>> >> notbob wrote:
>> >> > On 2008-04-23, blake murphy > wrote:
>> >> >>> The actress Christina Ricci grew up without watching television.
>> >> >>> She read books, and the first time she heard the word "chaos" in
>> >> >>> school, she thought they were mispronouncing it.
>>
>> >> >> i had that problem myself. *i thought (reasonably enough, i felt)
>> >> >> that 'grotesque' was pronounced 'grots-cue.'
>>
>> >> > Hee hee.... BTDT! *As a heavy reader, I too was guilty of such faux
>
>> >> > pas. Chaos was chowss, voila was the fiddle mispelled, etc. *
>>
>> >> > nb
>>
>> >> What about deus ex machinas? I still don't know how to say that! Doos
X
>
>> >> Masheen us?
>> >> ;-)
>>
>> >> -Tracy
>>
>> > If you had taken Latin in school, like a lot of us in my generation
>> > did, you would know. *Would it make you a better person? *probably
not.
>>
>> > N. ;-)
>>
>> Would I care? Probably not. *I took German and French. *Somehow I felt
it
>> was a better choice to take languages that were actually in spoken
usage.
>>
>> --
>> * * * * * * *Wayne Boatwright * * * * * *
>
> We were encouraged to take Latin because it's a basis for so much of
> other languages. I found it quite useful.
>
> I took a couple years' worth of German. We learned how to ask for
> cigarettes, and how to get to the railroad station.
>
> N.
>

Among other things I learned how to order Weiner Schnitzel mit Salat!

Actually, I studied German for French for years. Can't speak either
anymore, but at one time was quite fluent, especially in German. I grew up
very close to a German family and I would speak German in their home.

--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Thursday, 04(IV)/24(XXIV)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
Countdown till Memorial Day
4wks 3dys 10hrs 10mins
-------------------------------------------
First I must sprinkle you with fairy
dust...
-------------------------------------------

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:59:52 -0400, Tracy >
wrote:

>
>Yeah, that's more like I thought.....but I still can't help thinking
>machine us.
>;-)
>
>Tracy

Hi Tracy,

Of course that is not far off...

It means (essentially) "The god from the machine."

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

Nancy Young wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote

>
>> I had never heard the word "applique" pronounced so I thought it was
>> "ap-pleek"
>
> I guess no one in my life used the word hyperbole and epitome
> in conversation. 'nuff said.
>



I was an avid reader(still am) as a kid and was telling a friend about a
character in a book named "Penny-lope" (like cantaloupe)
because I'd never heard the name pronounced.

I still remember in 8th grade one of the boys in math class talking
about a "di-a-GON-al" line.

I have two friends who are nurses and they pronounce "umbilicus"
quite differently. One says "umBILicus" the other "umbil-EYE-cus".
Different nursing schools, I guess.

gloria p

blake murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:06:53 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> > wrote:

>> If you had taken Latin in school, like a lot of us in my generation
>> did, you would know. Would it make you a better person? probably
>> not.
>>
>> N. ;-)
>
> i thought it was fun, though. my high school teach was an ex-jesuit,
> very sharp guy. i learned more about english from him than anybody
> else.
>
> your pal,
> blake


Before she even began to teach Latin, my freshman teacher always did a
long review of English grammar. It's really true that you can't learn a
foreign language's grammar if you don't understand your own.

gloria p

"Gloria P" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:

>> I guess no one in my life used the word hyperbole and epitome
>> in conversation. 'nuff said.

> I was an avid reader(still am) as a kid and was telling a friend about a
> character in a book named "Penny-lope" (like cantaloupe)
> because I'd never heard the name pronounced.

That's cute. I was an avid reader, as well, and while nothing comes
to mind right now, I know I had something similar.

> I still remember in 8th grade one of the boys in math class talking about
> a "di-a-GON-al" line.

I heard someone on tv call something de-CORE-ative. New one on
me.

> I have two friends who are nurses and they pronounce "umbilicus"
> quite differently. One says "umBILicus" the other "umbil-EYE-cus".
> Different nursing schools, I guess.

I worked with someone who used the word etti-quit. Someone
said It's etti-kit, isn't it? No! It's etti-quit. When she left we
quick looked it up because she'd sounded so sure, we thought we'd
been saying it wrong all those years.

nancy

Gloria P wrote:

> I have two friends who are nurses and they pronounce "umbilicus"
> quite differently. One says "umBILicus" the other "umbil-EYE-cus".
> Different nursing schools, I guess.
>
> gloria p

American nurses also say centimeter two ways- "cent-ta-meeter" vs.
"sahn-ah-meeter" ...while American nurses might say "Anti-buy-ah-tic"
and in Europe you'll hear "Anti-bee-otic"

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:20:21 -0700 (PDT), John Kane
> wrote:

>On Apr 24, 12:51*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:06:53 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >On Apr 23, 2:06 pm, Tracy > wrote:
>> >> notbob wrote:
>> >> > On 2008-04-23, blake murphy > wrote:
>> >> >>> The actress Christina Ricci grew up without watching television. She
>> >> >>> read books, and the first time she heard the word "chaos" in school, she
>> >> >>> thought they were mispronouncing it.
>>
>> >> >> i had that problem myself. *i thought (reasonably enough, i felt) that
>> >> >> 'grotesque' was pronounced 'grots-cue.'
>>
>> >> > Hee hee.... BTDT! *As a heavy reader, I too was guilty of such faux pas.
>> >> > Chaos was chowss, voila was the fiddle mispelled, etc. *
>>
>> >> > nb
>>
>> >> What about deus ex machinas? I still don't know how to say that! Doos X
>> >> Masheen us?
>> >> ;-)
>>
>> >> -Tracy
>>
>> >If you had taken Latin in school, like a lot of us in my generation
>> >did, you would know. *Would it make you a better person? *probably
>> >not.
>>
>> >N. ;-)
>>
>> i thought it was fun, though. *my high school teach was an ex-jesuit,
>> very sharp guy. *i learned more about english from him than anybody
>> else. *
>
>Four years of Latin did wonders for my written English.
>

it's excellent for vocabulary, too.

part of the reason i shied away from french is that my (slight)
southern accent interfered with pronunciation. no worries with latin.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:33:13 -0600, Gloria P >
wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:06:53 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
>> > wrote:
>
>>> If you had taken Latin in school, like a lot of us in my generation
>>> did, you would know. Would it make you a better person? probably
>>> not.
>>>
>>> N. ;-)
>>
>> i thought it was fun, though. my high school teach was an ex-jesuit,
>> very sharp guy. i learned more about english from him than anybody
>> else.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>
>Before she even began to teach Latin, my freshman teacher always did a
>long review of English grammar. It's really true that you can't learn a
>foreign language's grammar if you don't understand your own.
>
>gloria p

more than once my latin teacher said, in disbelief, 'what in the world
have your english teachers been teaching you all these years?'

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:05:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2008-04-24, blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> i used to love the metroliner between d.c. and new york. didn't
>> always make the three-hour time promised, but what the hell, it had a
>> bar car.
>
>A nice one? I've been searching for the elusive bar/lounge car forever. I
>used to see them as a kid, beautiful Pullman lounge cars with sofas and big
>chairs around itty-bitty tables and nicely dressed people enjoying cocktails
>and cigars and a little bar in the far corner with a barman in a bellboy
>jacket shining glasses. But, I had to walk straight through, being only
>9-10 yrs old. Now, that I'm an adult, they seem to exist no longer. Amtrak
>cars are combo observation/snackbar cars with McDonalds-style hard plastic
>seating and candy machine food/booze. No class at all.
>
>nb

there weren't like in the movies, no. but you could sit in there and
i seem to recall you could smoke. the sandwiches and crap were
pre-made and wrapped like vending machine stuff. it's been a long
time - this was in the 70's.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:59:25 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
>"Gloria P" > wrote
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I guess no one in my life used the word hyperbole and epitome
>>> in conversation. 'nuff said.
>
>> I was an avid reader(still am) as a kid and was telling a friend about a
>> character in a book named "Penny-lope" (like cantaloupe)
>> because I'd never heard the name pronounced.
>
>That's cute. I was an avid reader, as well, and while nothing comes
>to mind right now, I know I had something similar.
>
>> I still remember in 8th grade one of the boys in math class talking about
>> a "di-a-GON-al" line.
>
>I heard someone on tv call something de-CORE-ative. New one on
>me.
>
>> I have two friends who are nurses and they pronounce "umbilicus"
>> quite differently. One says "umBILicus" the other "umbil-EYE-cus".
>> Different nursing schools, I guess.
>
>I worked with someone who used the word etti-quit. Someone
>said It's etti-kit, isn't it? No! It's etti-quit. When she left we
>quick looked it up because she'd sounded so sure, we thought we'd
>been saying it wrong all those years.
>
>nancy
>

i read a story (can't remember where) where william f. buckley had
some bible-thumper on his show, and the guy was ranting about 'sexual
promise-kitty.' buckley sort of scratched his head, and finally the
light dawned and he said 'i believe you mean sexual promiscuity.'

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:39:39 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>On Apr 23, 11:14*pm, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:
>> On Wed 23 Apr 2008 02:06:53p, Nancy2 told us...
>>
>>
>> > If you had taken Latin in school, like a lot of us in my generation
>> > did, you would know. *Would it make you a better person? *probably
>> > not.
>>
>> > N. ;-)
>>
>> Would I care? Probably not. *I took German and French. *Somehow I felt it
>> was a better choice to take languages that were actually in spoken usage.
>>
>> --
>> * * * * * * *Wayne Boatwright * * * * * *
>
>We were encouraged to take Latin because it's a basis for so much of
>other languages. I found it quite useful.
>
>I took a couple years' worth of German. We learned how to ask for
>cigarettes, and how to get to the railroad station.
>
>N.

one of the benefits of taking latin (in my high school, anyway) was
that there were a lot of catholic girls who wheedled their parents
into letting them go to public school. the parents would finally give
in, but they'd say, 'o.k., but damn it, you're going to take latin.'
the girls who wanted out of parochial school tended to be on the wild
side.

your pal,
blake

On Fri 25 Apr 2008 07:34:44a, blake murphy told us...

> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:05:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2008-04-24, blake murphy > wrote:
>>
>>> i used to love the metroliner between d.c. and new york. didn't
>>> always make the three-hour time promised, but what the hell, it had a
>>> bar car.
>>
>>A nice one? I've been searching for the elusive bar/lounge car forever.
>> I used to see them as a kid, beautiful Pullman lounge cars with sofas
>>and big chairs around itty-bitty tables and nicely dressed people
>>enjoying cocktails and cigars and a little bar in the far corner with a
>>barman in a bellboy jacket shining glasses. But, I had to walk straight
>>through, being only 9-10 yrs old. Now, that I'm an adult, they seem to
>>exist no longer. Amtrak cars are combo observation/snackbar cars with
>>McDonalds-style hard plastic seating and candy machine food/booze. No
>>class at all.
>>
>>nb
>
> there weren't like in the movies, no. but you could sit in there and
> i seem to recall you could smoke. the sandwiches and crap were
> pre-made and wrapped like vending machine stuff. it's been a long
> time - this was in the 70's.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

You have to go back to the 1950s to find the bar/lounge cars that you might
have seen in the movies. They were plush with comfortable seating. The
bartender was nicely uniformed, and you could order any type of light food;
e.g., sandwiches, snacks, etc., which would be delivered from the kitchen.
No vending machines of any kind. Even cigarettes were sold at the bar.
Gone are the days when much of anything has class.

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In article 4>,
says...
> On Wed 23 Apr 2008 02:06:53p, Nancy2 told us...
>
> > On Apr 23, 2:06 pm, Tracy > wrote:
> >> notbob wrote:
> >> > On 2008-04-23, blake murphy > wrote:
> >> >>> The actress Christina Ricci grew up without watching television.
> >> >>> She read books, and the first time she heard the word "chaos" in
> >> >>> school, she thought they were mispronouncing it.
> >>
> >> >> i had that problem myself. i thought (reasonably enough, i felt)
> >> >> that 'grotesque' was pronounced 'grots-cue.'
> >>
> >> > Hee hee.... BTDT! As a heavy reader, I too was guilty of such faux
> >> > pas. Chaos was chowss, voila was the fiddle mispelled, etc.
> >>
> >> > nb
> >>
> >> What about deus ex machinas? I still don't know how to say that! Doos X
> >> Masheen us?
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> -Tracy
> >
> > If you had taken Latin in school, like a lot of us in my generation
> > did, you would know. Would it make you a better person? probably
> > not.
> >
> > N. ;-)
> >
>
> Would I care? Probably not. I took German and French. Somehow I felt it
> was a better choice to take languages that were actually in spoken usage.
>
>

I don't know about that. I run across a lot of latin terminology and I
think it would have been useful had I taken it in H.S.

Instead I took Spanish. And I'm now re-learning Italian which is a lot
easier because it's so similar to Spanish.

On Fri 25 Apr 2008 01:24:59p, T told us...

> In article 4>,
> says...
>> On Wed 23 Apr 2008 02:06:53p, Nancy2 told us...
>>
>> > On Apr 23, 2:06 pm, Tracy > wrote:
>> >> notbob wrote:
>> >> > On 2008-04-23, blake murphy > wrote:
>> >> >>> The actress Christina Ricci grew up without watching television.
>> >> >>> She read books, and the first time she heard the word "chaos" in
>> >> >>> school, she thought they were mispronouncing it.
>> >>
>> >> >> i had that problem myself. i thought (reasonably enough, i felt)
>> >> >> that 'grotesque' was pronounced 'grots-cue.'
>> >>
>> >> > Hee hee.... BTDT! As a heavy reader, I too was guilty of such faux
>> >> > pas. Chaos was chowss, voila was the fiddle mispelled, etc.
>> >>
>> >> > nb
>> >>
>> >> What about deus ex machinas? I still don't know how to say that! Doos
X
>> >> Masheen us?
>> >> ;-)
>> >>
>> >> -Tracy
>> >
>> > If you had taken Latin in school, like a lot of us in my generation
>> > did, you would know. Would it make you a better person? probably
not.
>> >
>> > N. ;-)
>> >
>>
>> Would I care? Probably not. I took German and French. Somehow I felt
it
>> was a better choice to take languages that were actually in spoken
usage.
>>
>>
>
> I don't know about that. I run across a lot of latin terminology and I
> think it would have been useful had I taken it in H.S.

There was a college class I took that covered foreign terminology,
inicluding latin, that was quite valuable, as it dealt with what would be
most commonly encountered in English texts. Apart from that, I agree,
there is certainly value in studying Latin.

> Instead I took Spanish. And I'm now re-learning Italian which is a lot
> easier because it's so similar to Spanish.
>
>



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sf wrote:

>>> Continental has joined Delta, Northwest, United and US Airways, in
>>> charging $25 for a second checked bag. AirTran is charging $10.
>>>
>>> Becca

> sf
> who did 31 days in Europe with 1 carry on and wonders why Becca would
> need two suitcases for any trip shorter than that

Kudos for packing light. Most people pack items they will never use,
then you have to unpack it when they get home. They should take half of
what they pack, and twice as much money.

When I travel for fun, I use carry-ons, only. I still have to go through
customs & immigration, but since I do not have to wait for luggage, I am
one of the first in line.

My problem, is when I travel for work. I bring promotional items, like
200 free t-shirts. With the new luggage restrictions, I will have to
mail the t-shirts ahead, and hope they get there. I did that a couple of
times, because it was 450 t-shirts, coffee mugs, etc.

Considering the cost of fuel, and knowing that few airlines are making a
profit, it is hard to complain about the changes.

Becca

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:05:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2008-04-24, blake murphy > wrote:
> >
> >> i used to love the metroliner between d.c. and new york. didn't
> >> always make the three-hour time promised, but what the hell, it had a
> >> bar car.
> >
> >A nice one? I've been searching for the elusive bar/lounge car forever. I
> >used to see them as a kid, beautiful Pullman lounge cars with sofas and big
> >chairs around itty-bitty tables and nicely dressed people enjoying cocktails
> >and cigars and a little bar in the far corner with a barman in a bellboy
> >jacket shining glasses. But, I had to walk straight through, being only
> >9-10 yrs old. Now, that I'm an adult, they seem to exist no longer. Amtrak
> >cars are combo observation/snackbar cars with McDonalds-style hard plastic
> >seating and candy machine food/booze. No class at all.
> >
> >nb
>
> there weren't like in the movies, no. but you could sit in there and
> i seem to recall you could smoke. the sandwiches and crap were
> pre-made and wrapped like vending machine stuff. it's been a long
> time - this was in the 70's.

My boss took the Orient Express from the eastern edge of China to
London, in January (through Siberia), when the Soviet Union was in the
process of breaking up. But the bar car was fancy. You could get a
bottle of cognac for US$500.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Apr 26, 7:53 am, Becca > wrote:
> My problem, is when I travel for work. I bring promotional items, like
> 200 free t-shirts. With the new luggage restrictions, I will have to
> mail the t-shirts ahead, and hope they get there. I did that a couple of
> times, because it was 450 t-shirts, coffee mugs, etc.
>
> Considering the cost of fuel, and knowing that few airlines are making a
> profit, it is hard to complain about the changes.

Ship'em slow boat or drop-ship'em directly to the event and you won't
have to worry until you get there. Most hotels and conference centers
will hold packages for events without charging you. After carting a
case of T-shirts through SFO, I _never_ did that again. If they wanted
me to give out promotional crap, it got shipped directly there. I only
had to carry my laptop to verify where it was and who signed for it.

ObFood: Chicken poached in orange juice.

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:53:49 -0500, Becca >
wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>>>> Continental has joined Delta, Northwest, United and US Airways, in
>>>> charging $25 for a second checked bag. AirTran is charging $10.
>>>>
>>>> Becca
>
>> sf
>> who did 31 days in Europe with 1 carry on and wonders why Becca would
>> need two suitcases for any trip shorter than that
>
>Kudos for packing light. Most people pack items they will never use,
>then you have to unpack it when they get home. They should take half of
>what they pack, and twice as much money.
>

Agreed. Although as far as "packing money"... packing a zero balance
credit card even lighter.

>When I travel for fun, I use carry-ons, only. I still have to go through
>customs & immigration, but since I do not have to wait for luggage, I am
>one of the first in line.
>
>My problem, is when I travel for work. I bring promotional items, like
>200 free t-shirts. With the new luggage restrictions, I will have to
>mail the t-shirts ahead, and hope they get there. I did that a couple of
>times, because it was 450 t-shirts, coffee mugs, etc.
>

Ah, I see. Have you considered UPS or FedEx? That way you'd be
guaranteed a delivery date. It's a business expense, so there are
ways to deal with the cost at tax time.

>Considering the cost of fuel, and knowing that few airlines are making a
>profit, it is hard to complain about the changes.
>

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On Sat 26 Apr 2008 08:57:00a, Dan Abel told us...

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:05:38 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2008-04-24, blake murphy > wrote:
>> >
>> >> i used to love the metroliner between d.c. and new york. didn't
>> >> always make the three-hour time promised, but what the hell, it had
>> >> a bar car.
>> >
>> >A nice one? I've been searching for the elusive bar/lounge car
>> >forever. I used to see them as a kid, beautiful Pullman lounge cars
>> >with sofas and big chairs around itty-bitty tables and nicely dressed
>> >people enjoying cocktails and cigars and a little bar in the far
>> >corner with a barman in a bellboy jacket shining glasses. But, I had
>> >to walk straight through, being only 9-10 yrs old. Now, that I'm an
>> >adult, they seem to exist no longer. Amtrak cars are combo
>> >observation/snackbar cars with McDonalds-style hard plastic seating
>> >and candy machine food/booze. No class at all.
>> >
>> >nb
>>
>> there weren't like in the movies, no. but you could sit in there and
>> i seem to recall you could smoke. the sandwiches and crap were
>> pre-made and wrapped like vending machine stuff. it's been a long time
>> - this was in the 70's.
>
> My boss took the Orient Express from the eastern edge of China to
> London, in January (through Siberia), when the Soviet Union was in the
> process of breaking up. But the bar car was fancy. You could get a
> bottle of cognac for US$500.
>

The Orient Express is luxurious, but many of the trains in Europe and the
UK are truly luxurious compared to Amtrak. Even the bestof Amtrak leaves a
lot to be desired.

--
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:26:46 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>Even the bestof Amtrak leaves a
>lot to be desired.

Howdy,

I often take the "Acela" from Boston to NYC, and remember a
fellow across the isle from me asking a conductor "How fast
are we going."

With a theatrical flourish, the conductor dropped down
nearly to his knees to get a better view out the window, and
then said something like "On this straight stretch we are
moving at about 95 miles per hour, but in a moment, on those
curves, we drop to about 80..."

After the conductor left, the fellow commented to me that
those speeds were significantly higher than he would have
guessed. Clearly, he was impressed.

I asked him to look out the window again...

"Why, would you suppose, are those cars moving faster than
we are?" I asked.

His jaw dropped. He said "Was all that just BS?"

"I think of it as Public Relations." I responded.

And The "Acela" is the "fast" train.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

sf wrote:

> Ah, I see. Have you considered UPS or FedEx? That way you'd be
> guaranteed a delivery date. It's a business expense, so there are
> ways to deal with the cost at tax time.

The US Mail and UPS has always been trustworthy. The logo has a pirate
ship, so I am anxious to see what the t-shirts will look like. I love
Halloween way too much. lol http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy5.htm

Becca

On Sat 26 Apr 2008 04:25:47p, Kenneth told us...

> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:26:46 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>Even the bestof Amtrak leaves a lot to be desired.
>
> Howdy,
>
> I often take the "Acela" from Boston to NYC, and remember a
> fellow across the isle from me asking a conductor "How fast
> are we going."
>
> With a theatrical flourish, the conductor dropped down
> nearly to his knees to get a better view out the window, and
> then said something like "On this straight stretch we are
> moving at about 95 miles per hour, but in a moment, on those
> curves, we drop to about 80..."
>
> After the conductor left, the fellow commented to me that
> those speeds were significantly higher than he would have
> guessed. Clearly, he was impressed.
>
> I asked him to look out the window again...
>
> "Why, would you suppose, are those cars moving faster than
> we are?" I asked.
>
> His jaw dropped. He said "Was all that just BS?"
>
> "I think of it as Public Relations." I responded.
>
> And The "Acela" is the "fast" train.
>
> All the best,

Great story. No surprise there with Amtrak. :-)

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:32:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>
>
>Great story. No surprise there with Amtrak. :-)

Hi again,

I've gone from my home in Seacoast NH to NYC many a time,
and have used every method known. They all have their
problems, but it does seem that I have settled on Amtrak.

The seats are comfortable, and it does get me to Penn
Station... every time.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

On Sat 26 Apr 2008 04:52:05p, Kenneth told us...

> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:32:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Great story. No surprise there with Amtrak. :-)
>
> Hi again,
>
> I've gone from my home in Seacoast NH to NYC many a time,
> and have used every method known. They all have their
> problems, but it does seem that I have settled on Amtrak.
>
> The seats are comfortable, and it does get me to Penn
> Station... every time.
>
> All the best,

Hi Kenneth,

Despite its flaws, I would take Amtrak over plane, bus, or car. I don't
care to drive long distances, the buses are distasteful in more ways than
one, and flying has become a herculean task that I dread the thought of.

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take what you've got.'
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"Kenneth" > wrote

> I often take the "Acela" from Boston to NYC,

I've thought of taking the Acela to Boston. Is it a comfortable ride?
Anything to recommend it or is it just a way to get from here to
there, if you don't mind me asking.

nancy

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:52:22 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>
>"Kenneth" > wrote
>
>> I often take the "Acela" from Boston to NYC,
>
>I've thought of taking the Acela to Boston. Is it a comfortable ride?
>Anything to recommend it or is it just a way to get from here to
>there, if you don't mind me asking.
>
>nancy
>

Hi Nancy,

Yes, I would describe it as comfortable...

The seats are large, recline, and the overall experience is
fine. There is a dining car. Nothing fancy, but they do have
reasonable food available.

The reason that I find myself using it is primarily its
predictability.

More times than I care to recall, I flew down from
Manchester NH to La Guardia in about 45 minutes, jumped in a
cab, and was in Manhattan fifteen minutes later.

Ah, but then there was the return trip...

Typically, I had a 7 PM ticket, and would arrive at the
airport by about 5:45 only to find that my flight had been
posted as an 8:00 PM departure, then 9, then 10.

Often those flights did not leave La Guardia until after
midnight.

But, I digress...

The Acela is certainly not a fast train (by any standard
used after about 1880, but it does get me there in
reasonable comfort, and with few delays.

I would suggest that you give it a try.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

"Kenneth" > wrote

> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:52:22 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Kenneth" > wrote
>>
>>> I often take the "Acela" from Boston to NYC,
>>
>>I've thought of taking the Acela to Boston. Is it a comfortable ride?
>>Anything to recommend it or is it just a way to get from here to
>>there, if you don't mind me asking.
>
> Yes, I would describe it as comfortable...
>
> The seats are large, recline, and the overall experience is
> fine. There is a dining car. Nothing fancy, but they do have
> reasonable food available.
>
> The reason that I find myself using it is primarily its
> predictability.

> Typically, I had a 7 PM ticket, and would arrive at the
> airport by about 5:45 only to find that my flight had been
> posted as an 8:00 PM departure, then 9, then 10.
>
> Often those flights did not leave La Guardia until after
> midnight.

Ugh, how annoying. I'd take the train, too.

> The Acela is certainly not a fast train (by any standard
> used after about 1880, but it does get me there in
> reasonable comfort, and with few delays.
>
> I would suggest that you give it a try.

Thanks, I just might.

nancy

"sf" <.> wrote in message
>
> Agreed. Although as far as "packing money"... packing a zero balance
> credit card even lighter.
>

If you want to save money, an ATM card is better. With a credit card you
usually pay list price, but with cash, you can negotiate easily. Tax evasion
is a major sport in some countries so cash talks loudly.

In article >, beccaNospam@hal-
pc.organ says...
> sf wrote:
>
> > Ah, I see. Have you considered UPS or FedEx? That way you'd be
> > guaranteed a delivery date. It's a business expense, so there are
> > ways to deal with the cost at tax time.
>
> The US Mail and UPS has always been trustworthy. The logo has a pirate
> ship, so I am anxious to see what the t-shirts will look like. I love
> Halloween way too much. lol http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy5.htm
>
> Becca
>

Someone once came up with the perfect nickname for UPS, Shit Wrapped in
Chiffon. Don't ever count on them for residential deliveries, they tag
and run even if someone is there to receive the package.

I got smart, I started a small business and all shipments to me are care
of that business name. Now UPS delivers them before 10AM.

I absolutely love the United States Postal Service though. A lot of it
depends upon where you live but I know that if I drop a first class
letter in a mailbox before pickup time, it'll reach a roughly 300 mile
zone around me within a day, cross country in 3 days.

At one point I participated in a delivery accuracy study and it turns
out the northeast region has the highest scores but then we're one of
the most highly automated regions too.