This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man", a
1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved. What
is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks perpendicularly out
of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of course, I do live under
the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).

http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg


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Blinky the Shark > wrote:

>This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man", a
>1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved. What
>is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks perpendicularly out
>of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of course, I do live under
>the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).

>http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg

Looks to me like a hilt to prevent the fork from going in too far,
when you shove it into a greasy bird. But I've also never seen
this before.

Great movie BTW. Especially the zither.

Steve

(Steve Pope) wrote in news:fup3i5$4qh$1
@blue.rahul.net:

> Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>
>>This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man", a
>>1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved.
What
>>is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks perpendicularly
out
>>of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of course, I do live
under
>>the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>
>>http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>
> Looks to me like a hilt to prevent the fork from going in too far,
> when you shove it into a greasy bird. But I've also never seen
> this before.
>
> Great movie BTW. Especially the zither.
>
> Steve
>

I'm not sure what it is but I have seen it on several old sytle carving
set forks. Usually the kind with fake/real bone handles circa 1940-50.

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Steve Pope wrote:

> Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>
>>This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man", a
>>1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved. What
>>is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks perpendicularly out
>>of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of course, I do live under
>>the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>
>>http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>
> Looks to me like a hilt to prevent the fork from going in too far, when

I thought of that, too.

> you shove it into a greasy bird. But I've also never seen this before.
>
> Great movie BTW. Especially the zither.

It was zithing away just moments ago. I'm still watching it.

Meanwhile, I got my Google fu working and found this:

http://www.graphixfx.com/is.php?i=43...PIP_Tex t.jpg

= http://tinyurl.com/3nahbg

It's a knife guard. And pretty much every image I found with this guard
was an image of this very one -- looks like one outfit has a corner on the
market. I chose this image to link becuase it's the only shot I found
where the knife is in a position to hit the guard (i.e., make the guard
useful) if it slips through the meat too readily). All of the other
images (and the scene in the film) show downward-cutting, /away/ from the
fork.


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"Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man", a
> 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved. What
> is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks perpendicularly out
> of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of course, I do live under
> the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>
> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg

It's a moveable "lever" (for want of a better word) that acts as a knife
stop. If the knife slips, you don't get cut because that lever folds out
and stops it before it hits your fingers.

"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in
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> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man",
>> a 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved.
>> What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks
>> perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of
>> course, I do live under the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>>
>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>
> It's a moveable "lever" (for want of a better word) that acts as a
> knife stop. If the knife slips, you don't get cut because that lever
> folds out and stops it before it hits your fingers.
>
>
>

For additional film footage...see Mr blandings builds his dream
house....Cary Grant circa 1947,1948...He uses one to carve a ham in a
scene.If I remember rightly.

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asked for his balance.

As I remember from my early days, I'm 62 now, I had been told
It's to keep the carving knife from sliding down the fork and cutting
your hand,
Like the gauntlet on a sword
They also made some that would fold out to keep the fork tines off the
table when you set it down,


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"Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
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>
> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third
> Man", a
> 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved.
> What
> is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks perpendicularly
> out
> of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of course, I do live
> under
> the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>
> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>
>
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FarmI wrote:

> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man", a
>> 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved.
>> What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks
>> perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of
>> course, I do live under the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>>
>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>
> It's a moveable "lever" (for want of a better word) that acts as a knife
> stop. If the knife slips, you don't get cut because that lever folds out
> and stops it before it hits your fingers.

The one in the image doesn't look movable, but the design I found
online once I solved this is indeed foldable into the fork itself so it
goes away when you don't need it.


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hahabogus wrote:

> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in
> :
>
>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man", a
>>> 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved.
>>> What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks
>>> perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of
>>> course, I do live under the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>>>
>>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>>
>> It's a moveable "lever" (for want of a better word) that acts as a knife
>> stop. If the knife slips, you don't get cut because that lever folds
>> out and stops it before it hits your fingers.
>>
> For additional film footage...see Mr blandings builds his dream
> house....Cary Grant circa 1947,1948...He uses one to carve a ham in a

Right on -- it's from 1948.

> scene.If I remember rightly.

And it's a fun film, too.

If I see it again, I'll try to remember to watch for the fork.


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"Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
> FarmI wrote:
>
>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man", a
>>> 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved.
>>> What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks
>>> perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of
>>> course, I do live under the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>>>
>>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>>
>> It's a moveable "lever" (for want of a better word) that acts as a knife
>> stop. If the knife slips, you don't get cut because that lever folds out
>> and stops it before it hits your fingers.
>
> The one in the image doesn't look movable,

Trust me, it's moveable.

but the design I found
> online once I solved this is indeed foldable into the fork itself so it
> goes away when you don't need it.

It doesn't really 'go away' as such - it remains very visible. It just
folds down and lies along the back of the fork with the head of the moveable
handle down towards the prongs of the fork

FarmI wrote:

> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>> FarmI wrote:
>>
>>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>>>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man",
>>>> a 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved.
>>>> What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks
>>>> perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of
>>>> course, I do live under the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>>>>
>>>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>>>
>>> It's a moveable "lever" (for want of a better word) that acts as a
>>> knife stop. If the knife slips, you don't get cut because that lever
>>> folds out and stops it before it hits your fingers.
>>
>> The one in the image doesn't look movable,
>
> Trust me, it's moveable.

Not all are. What is your evidence for that one? It appears to be all
one casting.


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FarmI wrote:

> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>> FarmI wrote:
>>
>>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>>>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man",
>>>> a 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved.
>>>> What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks
>>>> perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of
>>>> course, I do live under the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>>>>
>>>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>>>
>>> It's a moveable "lever" (for want of a better word) that acts as a
>>> knife stop. If the knife slips, you don't get cut because that lever
>>> folds out and stops it before it hits your fingers.
>>
>> The one in the image doesn't look movable,
>
> Trust me, it's moveable.

Ignore my other response. Now I see what appears to be a groove in the
main structure to accept it as it folds down toward the tine end.


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On Thu 24 Apr 2008 12:53:11a, Blinky the Shark told us...

> FarmI wrote:
>
>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>>> FarmI wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
>>>>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man",
>>>>> a 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved.
>>>>> What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks
>>>>> perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of
>>>>> course, I do live under the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>>>>
>>>> It's a moveable "lever" (for want of a better word) that acts as a
>>>> knife stop. If the knife slips, you don't get cut because that lever
>>>> folds out and stops it before it hits your fingers.
>>>
>>> The one in the image doesn't look movable,
>>
>> Trust me, it's moveable.
>
> Ignore my other response. Now I see what appears to be a groove in the
> main structure to accept it as it folds down toward the tine end.
>
>

Yes, in every case I've seen they're movable. I inherited two carving sets
from my parents, both sets quite old, and both have this feature on the
fork. One set has handles of scrimshaw ivory, the other set has bone
handles. These were made in the days when those materials were not illegal
and were commonly used. The lever on the ivory handled fork is large
enough and shaped in a way that it can be used as a stand to keep the fork
end off the table. On the other fork it just acts as a guard.

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On Apr 24, 1:53�am, "CC" > wrote:
> As I remember from my early days, I'm 62 now, I had been told
> It's to keep the carving knife from sliding down the fork and cutting
> your hand,
> Like the gauntlet on a sword
> They also made some that would fold out to keep the fork tines off the
> table when you set it down,

That's exactly what it's for, creates a tripod stand so the fork tines
don't stain the linen... many think (incorrectly) that it's a guard...
look at its placement carefully and think about the distance between
the fork and the carving, it guards nothing... were it truly a guard
every steak knife would come with a similarly constructed steak fork.
And nowadays carving sets no longer include that doohickey.

Years ago formal place settings included a knife rest, typically
looked like an elongated dumbell for resting dirtied eating utensils
and there were many styles... nowadays it's okay to place ones used
utensils on the plate, not so in the past, probably because by
clearing the flatware with the dishes breakage would ensue... nowadays
dinnerware is constructed far stronger, costs much less, is easily
replaced, even goes in the dishwasher.

http://tinyurl.com/5lpnrb

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&key...7ab5fgemc a_b

On Apr 23, 11:45*pm, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man", a
> 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. *A bird is being carved. *What
> is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks perpendicularly out
> of the fork. *I've not seen this before. *But, of course, I do live under
> the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>
> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>
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Easy, peasy - you aren't old enough to remember your grandma's good
silver, but that's just a rest (like a bike kickstand) so you can rest
the used fork (and knife, which probably has one, too) on the good
white linen tablecloth without getting the cloth dirty.

N.

Nancy2 wrote:
> On Apr 23, 11:45 pm, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third
>> Man", a 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being
>> carved. What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks
>> perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of
>> course, I do live under the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>>
>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>>
>> --
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>
> Easy, peasy - you aren't old enough to remember your grandma's good
> silver, but that's just a rest (like a bike kickstand) so you can rest
> the used fork (and knife, which probably has one, too) on the good
> white linen tablecloth without getting the cloth dirty.

I can't download the pic If it is the carving knife and fork, do you
think it could be the hand guard Nancy? The bit that sticks out to stop you
carving your hand?

"Ophelia" wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
> > On Apr 23, 11:45 pm, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
> >> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third
> >> Man", a 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being
> >> carved. What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks
> >> perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of
> >> course, I do live under the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>
> >>http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>
> >> --
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> >> Blinky:http://blinkynet.net
>
> > Easy, peasy - you aren't old enough to remember your grandma's good
> > silver, but that's just a rest (like a bike kickstand) so you can rest
> > the used fork (and knife, which probably has one, too) on the good
> > white linen tablecloth without getting the cloth dirty.
>
> I can't download the pic �If it is the carving knife and fork, do you
> think it could be the hand guard Nancy? �The bit that sticks out to stop you
> carving your hand?- Hide quoted text -

HTF can it prevent carving your hand when it's located *below* the
handle... buy a brain, O'Failure.

Sheldon wrote:
> "Ophelia" wrote:
>> Nancy2 wrote:
>>> On Apr 23, 11:45 pm, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>>>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third
>>>> Man", a 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being
>>>> carved. What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks
>>>> perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of
>>>> course, I do live under the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>>
>>>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Blinky:http://blinkynet.net
>>
>>> Easy, peasy - you aren't old enough to remember your grandma's good
>>> silver, but that's just a rest (like a bike kickstand) so you can
>>> rest the used fork (and knife, which probably has one, too) on the
>>> good white linen tablecloth without getting the cloth dirty.
>>
>> I can't download the pic �If it is the carving knife and fork,
>> do you think it could be the hand guard Nancy? �The bit that
>> sticks out to stop you carving your hand?- Hide quoted text -
>
> HTF can it prevent carving your hand when it's located *below* the
> handle... buy a brain, O'Failure.

LOL, if you had read my post, you would have seen that I had not seen the
pic)

Makes you look very simple eh?)

But then, what is new?

On Apr 24, 2:38Â*pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > "Ophelia" wrote:
> >> Nancy2 wrote:
> >>> On Apr 23, 11:45 pm, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
> >>>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third
> >>>> Man", a 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being
> >>>> carved. What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks
> >>>> perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of
> >>>> course, I do live under the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>
> >>>>http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Blinky
> >>>> Killing all posts from Google Groups
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> >>>> Blinky:http://blinkynet.net
>
> >>> Easy, peasy - you aren't old enough to remember your grandma's good
> >>> silver, but that's just a rest (like a bike kickstand) so you can
> >>> rest the used fork (and knife, which probably has one, too) on the
> >>> good white linen tablecloth without getting the cloth dirty.
>
> >> I can't download the pic �If it is the carving knife and fork,
> >> do you think it could be the hand guard Nancy? �The bit that
> >> sticks out to stop you carving your hand?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > HTF can it prevent carving your hand when it's located *below* the
> > handle... buy a brain, O'Failure.
>
> LOL, if you had read my post, you would have seen that I had not seen the
> pic)
>
> Makes you look very simple eh?)
>
> But then, what is new?- Hide quoted text -

You said: "The bit that sticks out to stop you carving your hand?"

You knew exactly what it was without seeing the picture, lame brain...
they are all located the same, O'Failure.

Sheldon wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2:38Â pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" wrote:
>>>> Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 23, 11:45 pm, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>>>>>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third
>>>>>> Man", a 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is
>>>>>> being carved. What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that
>>>>>> sticks perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this
>>>>>> before. But, of course, I do live under the sea (not far from an
>>>>>> octopus's garden).
>>
>>>>>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Blinky
>>>>>> Killing all posts from Google Groups
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>>>>>> Blinky:http://blinkynet.net
>>
>>>>> Easy, peasy - you aren't old enough to remember your grandma's
>>>>> good silver, but that's just a rest (like a bike kickstand) so
>>>>> you can rest the used fork (and knife, which probably has one,
>>>>> too) on the good white linen tablecloth without getting the cloth
>>>>> dirty.
>>
>>>> I can't download the pic �If it is the carving knife and fork,
>>>> do you think it could be the hand guard Nancy? �The bit that
>>>> sticks out to stop you carving your hand?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> HTF can it prevent carving your hand when it's located *below* the
>>> handle... buy a brain, O'Failure.
>>
>> LOL, if you had read my post, you would have seen that I had not
>> seen the pic)
>>
>> Makes you look very simple eh?)
>>
>> But then, what is new?- Hide quoted text -
>
> You said: "The bit that sticks out to stop you carving your hand?"
>
> You knew exactly what it was without seeing the picture, lame brain...
> they are all located the same, O'Failure.

read this shelly o'thicko

"I can't download the pic �If it is the carving knife and fork,
>>> do you think it could be the hand guard Nancy? "

See that? Do you? But do you though??? But *DO* you???

Oh shelly o'thicko, you really do show yourself up *sigh*

On Apr 24, 10:06*am, Sheldon > wrote:
>
>
>Years ago formal place settings included a knife rest, typically
>looked like an elongated dumbell for resting dirtied eating utensils
>and there were many styles.
>
>
I was at an antique store many many years ago and there were some
lovely crystal knife rests on a table for sale. I couldn't convince
the owner's 10-12 year oldkid they were NOT doorknobs and were
actually knife rests.

Quite pretty things they were.

On Apr 24, 3:39�pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > On Apr 24, 2:38� pm, "Ophelia" > wrote:
> >> Sheldon wrote:
> >>> "Ophelia" wrote:
> >>>> Nancy2 wrote:
> >>>>> On Apr 23, 11:45 pm, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
> >>>>>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third
> >>>>>> Man", a 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is
> >>>>>> being carved. What is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that
> >>>>>> sticks perpendicularly out of the fork. I've not seen this
> >>>>>> before. But, of course, I do live under the sea (not far from an
> >>>>>> octopus's garden).
>
> >>>>>>http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Blinky
> >>>>>> Killing all posts from Google Groups
> >>>>>> The Usenet Improvement Project:http://improve-usenet.org
> >>>>>> Blinky:http://blinkynet.net
>
> >>>>> Easy, peasy - you aren't old enough to remember your grandma's
> >>>>> good silver, but that's just a rest (like a bike kickstand) so
> >>>>> you can rest the used fork (and knife, which probably has one,
> >>>>> too) on the good white linen tablecloth without getting the cloth
> >>>>> dirty.
>
> >>>> I can't download the pic �If it is the carving knife and fork,
> >>>> do you think it could be the hand guard Nancy? �The bit that
> >>>> sticks out to stop you carving your hand?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> HTF can it prevent carving your hand when it's located *below* the
> >>> handle... buy a brain, O'Failure.
>
> >> LOL, if you had read my post, you would have seen that I had not
> >> seen the pic)
>
> >> Makes you look very simple eh?)
>
> >> But then, what is new?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > You said: "The bit that sticks out to stop you carving your hand?"
>
> > You knew exactly what it was without seeing the picture, lame brain...
> > they are all located the same, O'Failure.
>
> read this shelly o'thicko
>
> "I can't download the pic �If it is the carving knife and fork,
>
> >>> do you think it could be the hand guard Nancy? "
>
> See that? �Do you? But do you though??? �But *DO* you???
>
> Oh shelly o'thicko, you really do show yourself up *sigh

You're what's thick, like shit... you don't need to see the picture,
they are all the same, and that you described it without seeing proves
you are actually a shit faced smarmy liar... O'FAILURE!

Sheldon wrote:
>> Oh shelly o'thicko, you really do show yourself up *sigh
>
> You're what's thick, like shit... you don't need to see the picture,
> they are all the same, and that you described it without seeing proves
> you are actually a shit faced smarmy liar... O'FAILURE!

You wish Shelly O'thicko)

Yannow what? I bet there are far more people that believe me than they do
you

LOLOL

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> Sheldon wrote:
>>> Oh shelly o'thicko, you really do show yourself up *sigh
>>
>> You're what's thick, like shit... you don't need to see the picture,
>> they are all the same, and that you described it without seeing proves
>> you are actually a shit faced smarmy liar... O'FAILURE!
>
> You wish Shelly O'thicko)
>
> Yannow what? I bet there are far more people that believe me than they do
> you
>
I bet you are right.

On Apr 24, 2:47*pm, itsjoannotjoann > wrote:
> On Apr 24, 10:06*am, Sheldon > wrote:
>
> >Years ago formal place settings included a knife rest, typically
> >looked like an elongated dumbell for resting dirtied eating utensils
> >and there were many styles.
>
> I was at an antique store many many years ago and there were some
> lovely crystal knife rests on a table for sale. *I couldn't convince
> the owner's 10-12 year oldkid they were NOT doorknobs and were
> actually knife rests.
>
> Quite pretty things they were.

Yup, I have some of those, along with little, heavy salt cellars.
I've always wanted to use those at a dinner, but don't have enough to
make a statement. ;-) I guess I could use them anyway.

N.

On Apr 24, 4:19�pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>
> ...> Sheldon wrote:
> >>> Oh shelly o'thicko, you really do show yourself up *sigh
>
> >> You're what's thick, like shit... you don't need to see the picture,
> >> they are all the same, and that you described it without seeing proves
> >> you are actually a shit faced smarmy liar... O'FAILURE!
>
> > You wish Shelly O'thicko)
>
> > Yannow what? �I bet there are far more people that believe me than they do
> > you

You're right... but it's not about quantity, it's about quality... the
moroons (of which there are many at rfc) will certainly align with
you.

You see, I'm a minority... I'm never insulted by not being lumped in
with the majority, in fact I consider being with the minority a
supreme compliment... now you, you're just a commoner.

"Sheldon" > wrote :

>You see, I'm a minority...

Thank GOD for this. And Buddha, and Allah, and the Sweet
Baby Jesus, too.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:06:46 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote:

>On Apr 24, 1:53?am, "CC" > wrote:
>> As I remember from my early days, I'm 62 now, I had been told
>> It's to keep the carving knife from sliding down the fork and cutting
>> your hand,
>> Like the gauntlet on a sword
>> They also made some that would fold out to keep the fork tines off the
>> table when you set it down,
>
>That's exactly what it's for, creates a tripod stand so the fork tines
>don't stain the linen... many think (incorrectly) that it's a guard...
>look at its placement carefully and think about the distance between
>the fork and the carving, it guards nothing... were it truly a guard
>every steak knife would come with a similarly constructed steak fork.
>And nowadays carving sets no longer include that doohickey.


Nope. I have a 19th century carving set with a guarded fork. The
antler handle is too heavy to allow the fork to rest on the tines and
the guard. I would think the handle on any carving fork would be heavy
enough to preclude that. Also, the handle and the guard are not the
right shape to allow the fork to rest on them without falling over.

The only pratical solution it offers is to allow the guard to be
deployed when doing a reverse cut to protect against the inadvertant
slicing of the slicer.

On Apr 24, 6:07�pm, Robert Klute > wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:06:46 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
> wrote:
>
> >On Apr 24, 1:53?am, "CC" > wrote:
> >> As I remember from my early days, I'm 62 now, I had been told
> >> It's to keep the carving knife from sliding down the fork and cutting
> >> your hand,
> >> Like the gauntlet on a sword
> >> They also made some that would fold out to keep the fork tines off the
> >> table when you set it down,
>
> >That's exactly what it's for, creates a tripod stand so the fork tines
> >don't stain the linen... many think (incorrectly) that it's a guard...
> >look at its placement carefully and think about the distance between
> >the fork and the carving, it guards nothing... were it truly a guard
> >every steak knife would come with a similarly constructed steak fork.
> >And nowadays carving sets no longer include that doohickey.
>
> Nope. �I have a 19th century carving set with a guarded fork. �The
> antler handle is too heavy to allow the fork to rest on the tines.

The fork doesn't rest on its tines, the whole idea is to keep the
tines off the table. It rests on the handle and the two flip out
legs, with the tines up in the air. The heavier the handle the more
stable it will be.

Steve Pope wrote:
> Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>
>> This is a screen capture from a film I'm watching -- "The Third Man", a
>> 1949 noir set in Austria right after WWII. A bird is being carved. What
>> is the rod that my arrow is pointing to, that sticks perpendicularly out
>> of the fork. I've not seen this before. But, of course, I do live under
>> the sea (not far from an octopus's garden).
>
>> http://blinkynet.net/stuff/fork.jpg
>
> Looks to me like a hilt to prevent the fork from going in too far,
> when you shove it into a greasy bird. But I've also never seen
> this before.
>

Not quite. My late mother-in-law had a bone-handled carving set with a
fork that had that rod. It is a "rest" to prevent the fork tines from
touching the tableclolth and getting it dirty if it slid off the
platter. On MIL's fork the rod swiveled down so it wouldn't be in the
way when you were carving.

gloria p

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:25:09 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
wrote:

>On Apr 24, 6:07?pm, Robert Klute > wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:06:46 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Apr 24, 1:53?am, "CC" > wrote:
>> >> As I remember from my early days, I'm 62 now, I had been told
>> >> It's to keep the carving knife from sliding down the fork and cutting
>> >> your hand,
>> >> Like the gauntlet on a sword
>> >> They also made some that would fold out to keep the fork tines off the
>> >> table when you set it down,
>>
>> >That's exactly what it's for, creates a tripod stand so the fork tines
>> >don't stain the linen... many think (incorrectly) that it's a guard...
>> >look at its placement carefully and think about the distance between
>> >the fork and the carving, it guards nothing... were it truly a guard
>> >every steak knife would come with a similarly constructed steak fork.
>> >And nowadays carving sets no longer include that doohickey.
>>
>> Nope. ?I have a 19th century carving set with a guarded fork. ?The
>> antler handle is too heavy to allow the fork to rest on the tines.
>
>The fork doesn't rest on its tines, the whole idea is to keep the
>tines off the table. It rests on the handle and the two flip out
>legs, with the tines up in the air. The heavier the handle the more
>stable it will be.

That is the point - there is only one guard, not two. Take a look at
the picture referenced in Blinky's posting - there is no way for that
carving fork to stably rest on guard except on its side with the edge of
the fork on the table.

http://www.graphixfx.com/is.php?i=43...PIP_Tex t.jpg

Here are some other sites (British) which describe it as a safety guard:
http://www.culliners.co.uk/index.php...oducts _id=44
http://www.crocksandpots.co.uk/kitch...th_guard_20cm/
http://www.decuisine.co.uk/cookshop/...arvingset.html

Gloria P > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> Looks to me like a hilt to prevent the fork from going in too far,
>> when you shove it into a greasy bird. But I've also never seen
>> this before.

>Not quite. My late mother-in-law had a bone-handled carving set with a
>fork that had that rod. It is a "rest" to prevent the fork tines from
>touching the tableclolth and getting it dirty if it slid off the
>platter. On MIL's fork the rod swiveled down so it wouldn't be in the
>way when you were carving.

Thanks, mystery solved.

Steve

Robert Klute wrote:
> That is the point - there is only one guard, not two. Take a look at
> the picture referenced in Blinky's posting - there is no way for that
> carving fork to stably rest on guard except on its side with the edge
> of the fork on the table.

Quite so. We have a carving set exactly like this.

Gloria P > wrote:

> Not quite. My late mother-in-law had a bone-handled carving set with a
> fork that had that rod. It is a "rest" to prevent the fork tines from
> touching the tableclolth and getting it dirty if it slid off the
> platter. On MIL's fork the rod swiveled down so it wouldn't be in the
> way when you were carving.

Why just the fork, why not also the knife, then?

Victor

On Apr 25, 5:52�pm, (Victor Sack) wrote:
> Gloria P > wrote:
> > Not quite. �My late mother-in-law had a bone-handled carving set with a
> > fork that had that rod. �It is a "rest" to prevent the fork tines from
> > touching the tableclolth and getting it dirty if it slid off the
> > platter. � On MIL's fork the rod swiveled down so it wouldn't be in the
> > way when you were carving.
>
> Why just the fork, why not also the knife, then?

Even way back they were much smarter than you... why be redundant.

The fork was used as a knife rest... the knife was placed across the
fork. Of course times have changed, no one does this anymore... maybe
European royalty still needs these demonstative symbols of oppulance
to stroke their wussy egos, they need these crutches because they
aren't secure in their self importance.

In article 4>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> Yes, in every case I've seen they're movable. I inherited two carving sets
> from my parents, both sets quite old, and both have this feature on the
> fork. One set has handles of scrimshaw ivory, the other set has bone
> handles. These were made in the days when those materials were not illegal
> and were commonly used. The lever on the ivory handled fork is large
> enough and shaped in a way that it can be used as a stand to keep the fork
> end off the table. On the other fork it just acts as a guard.

I inherited an antler handle carving set of Henckels Friodur from my
parents and the doohicky on the fork is movable. Unfortunately, I tried
to sharpen the highly polished knife with a small diamond steel once and
scratched the s**t out of it. Parents shouldn't give items of value to
their children. Thanks to this thread, I finally found out what the
doohicky was for.

leo

In article >,
Gloria P > wrote:

> Not quite. My late mother-in-law had a bone-handled carving set with a
> fork that had that rod. It is a "rest" to prevent the fork tines from
> touching the tableclolth and getting it dirty if it slid off the
> platter. On MIL's fork the rod swiveled down so it wouldn't be in the
> way when you were carving.

I'm posting very late and too often. I just tried swiveling the 'guard'
into position and using it as a rest for dirty tines above the table. It
worked great. In all my life, I've never ran a knife up a fork to cut
myself.

leo

Victor Sack wrote:

> Gloria P > wrote:
>
>> Not quite. My late mother-in-law had a bone-handled carving set with a
>> fork that had that rod. It is a "rest" to prevent the fork tines from
>> touching the tableclolth and getting it dirty if it slid off the
>> platter. On MIL's fork the rod swiveled down so it wouldn't be in the
>> way when you were carving.
>
> Why just the fork, why not also the knife, then?

Another good question would involve the fact that the descriptions of all
of the forks I found online that were made like called them guards.


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Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> In article >,
> Gloria P > wrote:
>
>> Not quite. My late mother-in-law had a bone-handled carving set with a
>> fork that had that rod. It is a "rest" to prevent the fork tines from
>> touching the tableclolth and getting it dirty if it slid off the
>> platter. On MIL's fork the rod swiveled down so it wouldn't be in the
>> way when you were carving.
>
> I'm posting very late and too often. I just tried swiveling the 'guard'
> into position and using it as a rest for dirty tines above the table. It
> worked great. In all my life, I've never ran a knife up a fork to cut
> myself.

This (inset) seems awkward, but it's apparently done enough to warrant
plenty of knifes being made that way.

http://www.graphixfx.com/is.php?i=43...PIP_Tex t.jpg

= http://tinyurl.com/3nahbg


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Sheldon > wrote:

> "Ophelia" wrote:
>
>> I can't download the pic �If it is the carving knife and fork, do you
>> think it could be the hand guard Nancy? �The bit that sticks out to stop you
>> carving your hand?- Hide quoted text -
>
> HTF can it prevent carving your hand when it's located *below* the
> handle... buy a brain, O'Failure.

The only way this thing could protect your hand is if you're holding
the food up in the air and carving downwards.

and that's just not done.

-sw