jmcquown wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Tue 29 Apr 2008 04:51:45a, Nancy Young told us...
>>
>>> "DK" > wrote
>>>
>>>> Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> DonnaH wrote:
>>>>>> Taking delivery of a beauteous new fridge this week and
>>>>>> relocation of the old one in the garage
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donna, in chilly NW NJ
>>>>> I hope your garage is heated or you will have big problems with
>>>>> that fridge during northern NJ winter temps.
>>>> Really, expert? How would that be a problem in an unheated garage?
>>> The compressor does not like freezing temperatures. You can look
>>> that up.
>>>
>>> nancy
>> I've always heard that, but we kept an upright frost-free freezer in
>> an unheated garage in NE OH and never had a problem. Maybe it's
>> different with freezers vs. refrigerators, but they both use
>> compressors.
>
> Who has a heated garage?!
>
> Jill
>
>

People who want one and can afford it. It's not that expensive either
if you have gas available.

-dk

Lou Decruss wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:12:27 -0400, DK >
> wrote:
>
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>> DonnaH wrote:
>>>> Taking delivery of a beauteous new fridge this week and relocation of
>>>> the old one in the garage
>>>>
>>>> Donna, in chilly NW NJ
>>> I hope your garage is heated or you will have big problems with that
>>> fridge during northern NJ winter temps.
>>>
>> Really, expert? How would that be a problem in an unheated garage?
>
> IIRC, the gas goes through an expansion valve at high pressure. It
> boils as it passes through the valve. It vaporizes and drops to -27F.
> The compressor sucks it up and returns it to the cycle. If the air
> temp is too cold it can't properly complete the cycle.
>
> Lou

Thats based on the assumption that an unheated garage gets really cold
for long periods of time. That may be true in a detached garage or an
attached garage on a *very* old house, but in the three houses I had up
north, the garage rarely fell below 30º for more than a few hours at a
time and we had days where it was -15º outside.

-dk

On Tue 29 Apr 2008 06:01:46a, jmcquown told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Tue 29 Apr 2008 04:51:45a, Nancy Young told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "DK" > wrote
>>>
>>>> Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> DonnaH wrote:
>>>>>> Taking delivery of a beauteous new fridge this week and
>>>>>> relocation of the old one in the garage
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donna, in chilly NW NJ
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope your garage is heated or you will have big problems with
>>>>> that fridge during northern NJ winter temps.
>>>
>>>> Really, expert? How would that be a problem in an unheated garage?
>>>
>>> The compressor does not like freezing temperatures. You can look
>>> that up.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> I've always heard that, but we kept an upright frost-free freezer in
>> an unheated garage in NE OH and never had a problem. Maybe it's
>> different with freezers vs. refrigerators, but they both use
>> compressors.
>
> Who has a heated garage?!
>
> Jill

At the second last house we had in Ohio, we had a heated garage. It had
it's own gas heater and was well insulated. We kept the winter temperature
around 55-60 degrees F. At least at that point in time, gas was very
economical for heating.

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On Tue 29 Apr 2008 05:56:18a, Nancy Young told us...

>> On Tue 29 Apr 2008 04:51:45a, Nancy Young told us...
>
>>> The compressor does not like freezing temperatures. You can look
>>> that up.
>
>> I've always heard that, but we kept an upright frost-free freezer in an
>> unheated garage in NE OH and never had a problem. Maybe it's different
>> with freezers vs. refrigerators, but they both use compressors.
>
> As a followup, my newish refrigerator instructions say Do not install
> the refrigerator in a location where the temperature will fall below 55F.
> FWIW
>
> nancy
>
>

I've seen that instruction for just a freezer, too, but we didn't have the
problem. As you said in your earlier post...who knows what the variables
are.

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Nancy Young wrote:
> "DK" > wrote
>
>> Sheldon wrote:

>>>>
>>>> Donna, in chilly NW NJ
>>> I hope your garage is heated or you will have big problems with that
>>> fridge during northern NJ winter temps.
>
>> Really, expert? How would that be a problem in an unheated garage?
>
> The compressor does not like freezing temperatures. You can look
> that up.
>
> nancy
>
>

That may be another theory that doesn't hold up in practice.

We had both a fridge and upright freezer in our garage in RI for 13
years. The same freezer lasted another 22 years in the garage in
Colorado. Both garages unheated, both experiencing below freezing
(and in CO, below zero) temps for a few months every year. The only
reason we replaced the freezer was that the thermostat wasn't
functioning reliably and it would cost nearly as much to repair as replace.

gloria p

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:10:34 -0400, DK >
wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:12:27 -0400, DK >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sheldon wrote:
>>>> DonnaH wrote:
>>>>> Taking delivery of a beauteous new fridge this week and relocation of
>>>>> the old one in the garage
>>>>>
>>>>> Donna, in chilly NW NJ
>>>> I hope your garage is heated or you will have big problems with that
>>>> fridge during northern NJ winter temps.
>>>>
>>> Really, expert? How would that be a problem in an unheated garage?
>>>
>> Maybe the refrigerator needs to heat up not to be a big freezer?
>>
>>
>
>Nope. They are well insulated and, having lived in the north for many
>years, I don't know of anyone who ever had a problem and garage
>refrigerators are rather common. Unless the garage is detached the
>temperature just never gets cold enough long enough.
>
>-dk

No experience here. I was hypothesizing. Hear me out....

Thinking: If a refrigerator is placed in a zero (or below zero)
environment for long enough, the interior temperature will drop.

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sf wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:10:34 -0400, DK >
> wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:12:27 -0400, DK >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> DonnaH wrote:
>>>>>> Taking delivery of a beauteous new fridge this week and relocation of
>>>>>> the old one in the garage
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donna, in chilly NW NJ
>>>>> I hope your garage is heated or you will have big problems with that
>>>>> fridge during northern NJ winter temps.
>>>>>
>>>> Really, expert? How would that be a problem in an unheated garage?
>>>>
>>> Maybe the refrigerator needs to heat up not to be a big freezer?
>>>
>>>
>> Nope. They are well insulated and, having lived in the north for many
>> years, I don't know of anyone who ever had a problem and garage
>> refrigerators are rather common. Unless the garage is detached the
>> temperature just never gets cold enough long enough.
>>
>> -dk
>
> No experience here. I was hypothesizing. Hear me out....
>
> Thinking: If a refrigerator is placed in a zero (or below zero)
> environment for long enough, the interior temperature will drop.
>

That's it. A normal attached garage doesn't get that cold long enough.

-dk

On Apr 29, 8:56�am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> > On Tue 29 Apr 2008 04:51:45a, Nancy Young told us...
> >> The compressor does not like freezing temperatures. �You can look
> >> that up.
> > I've always heard that, but we kept an upright frost-free freezer in an
> > unheated garage in NE OH and never had a problem. �Maybe it's different
> > with freezers vs. refrigerators, but they both use compressors.
>
> As a followup, my newish refrigerator instructions say Do not install
> the refrigerator in a location where the temperature will fall below 55F.
> FWIW

Exactly. All fridge owner's manuals give very similar temperature
limitations. Didja know that running a fridge/freezer at 80F ambient
temperature uses about 50 pct more energy as running the same unit at
70F. Folks who have a fridge/freezer in an unheated/unairconditioned
location save nothing and in fact greatly shorten the life of the
unit. Refrigerators and freezers are designed to operate at ambient
temperatures between 65F and 75F, and at relatively low humidity, no
more than 50 pct.