metspitzer > wrote in
:

> My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>
> Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
>
> The only healthy "fast food" I can think of would be Subway
> and it is only healthy if you leave out the flavor, like
> mayonnaise and cheese.
>
> Another way to would be to offer baked and not fried, but that
> too reduces the flavor.
>
> Mashed potatoes are a healthy choice, but not very good
> without gravy.
>
> Adding salt helps the flavor but too much salt is not good
> either.
>
> Salad would be good, but without dressing no flavor.
>
> Turkey or grilled chicken would be better than fried beef.
>
> Eat smaller portions.

Fruits, carrots, celery. Cheese. Grain crackers, bread.
Oatmeal. Nuts. Juice.

Quick google = http://www.uhs.uga.edu/nutrition/nourishing.html
http://www.health-heart.org/goodfood.htm

My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.

Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?

The only healthy "fast food" I can think of would be Subway and it is
only healthy if you leave out the flavor, like mayonnaise and cheese.

Another way to would be to offer baked and not fried, but that too
reduces the flavor.

Mashed potatoes are a healthy choice, but not very good without gravy.

Adding salt helps the flavor but too much salt is not good either.

Salad would be good, but without dressing no flavor.

Turkey or grilled chicken would be better than fried beef.

Eat smaller portions.

On May 1, 4:39*pm, metspitzer > wrote:
> My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>
> Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
> [snip]

I suggest this is a good opportunity for him to learn how important it
is to define objectives before designing a program (or menus). Turn
the lesson into "what are healthy foods?" and "what are health portion
and ingredient sizes?" and it would be worth learning. I could even
suggest an example assignment: as specifically as possible, describe
what would constitute a healthy lunch of a hamburger, fries and soft
drink. -aem

metspitzer wrote:
> My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>
> Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
>
> The only healthy "fast food" I can think of would be Subway and it is
> only healthy if you leave out the flavor, like mayonnaise and cheese.
>
> Another way to would be to offer baked and not fried, but that too
> reduces the flavor.
>
> Mashed potatoes are a healthy choice, but not very good without gravy.
>
> Adding salt helps the flavor but too much salt is not good either.
>
> Salad would be good, but without dressing no flavor.
>
> Turkey or grilled chicken would be better than fried beef.
>
> Eat smaller portions.
>
You seem to be destined to go from one extreme to another which isn't
usually too sucessful nor will it teach a child how to make compromises.
-Subway offers a few lower fat options. Not all fat is bad-everything in
moderation. They also offer low fat "light" mayo, I recall?
-When you mention "fried" you fail to mention specifics. Fried what?
Baked "oven fried" chicken can be just as delicious. Sauteed chicken in
olive oil can also be good. Again, moderation is the key.
-I eat mashed potatoes without gravy all the time. Do you mean you can't?
-Salt is fine in moderation. Herbs and spices can replace or augment the
salt too.
-Salads dressed lightly can be delicious. The problems I see is when
people only consider the salad as a vehicle for heavy, icky, bottled
dressings. I dress our salads with olive oil and vinegar, salt and
pepper and other things at the last minute before serving. Tossed
lightly and it is very fresh and flavorful. Bottled dressings taste
like crap to me, so I don't do them. You could learn to make fresh ones
and toss the entire salad lightly using less than the huge blobs people
pour on.
-What beef are you frying? Do you mean hamburgers? Don't fry them, grill
'em. Then you'll be comparing apples to apples instead of apples to
oranges.
-Or eat larger portions of the veggies and grains and go easier on the
fattier dishes.

aem wrote:
> On May 1, 4:39 pm, metspitzer > wrote:
>> My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>>
>> Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
>> [snip]
>
> I suggest this is a good opportunity for him to learn how important it
> is to define objectives before designing a program (or menus). Turn
> the lesson into "what are healthy foods?" and "what are health portion
> and ingredient sizes?" and it would be worth learning. I could even
> suggest an example assignment: as specifically as possible, describe
> what would constitute a healthy lunch of a hamburger, fries and soft
> drink. -aem

But it was soooooooooo much easier asking Auntie or Uncle to do the
homework for him! LOL

sandi wrote:
> metspitzer > wrote in
> :
>
>> My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>>
>> Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
>>
>> The only healthy "fast food" I can think of would be Subway
>> and it is only healthy if you leave out the flavor, like
>> mayonnaise and cheese.
>>

Our local school district tries to offer healthy food choices,
particularly in the elementary schools. I asked one of the cafeteria
managers and she gave me examples of substitutions the kids aren't even
aware of:

veggie burgers, wheat rolls
low fat hot dogs
baked potato wedges instead of fries
pizza with low fat cheese and part whole wheat crust
baby carrots with low fat ranch dip
bean burritos
turkey-lettuce wraps on wheat tortillas
low fat milk
fruit salads for dessert

gloria p

"metspitzer" > wrote in message
...
> My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>
> Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
>

Yes, he needs someone else to help him with this, you are very limited.

> The only healthy "fast food" I can think of would be Subway and it is
> only healthy if you leave out the flavor, like mayonnaise and cheese.
>

ugh, he needs to go ask someone else if you think the above statment is
true. He doesn't have a chance w/ your help.

> Another way to would be to offer baked and not fried, but that too
> reduces the flavor.
>

Why?

> Mashed potatoes are a healthy choice, but not very good without gravy.
>

Why? Do you think that all gravy is unhealthy? Do you think that you can't
eat a veggie that isn't covered in sauce/gravy/etc?

> Adding salt helps the flavor but too much salt is not good either.
>

Salt is fine when used to enhance good food, not good when used to cover the
taste in gross food.

> Salad would be good, but without dressing no flavor.
>

Salad has flovor w/o dressing?

> Turkey or grilled chicken would be better than fried beef.
>

Well, that may or may not be true.

> Eat smaller portions.
>

Get a clue, I think your either a troll or some bratass wanting the NG to do
his work for him.

metspitzer wrote:

> Mashed potatoes are a healthy choice, but not very good without gravy.

Try dressing them with extra virgin olive oil, minced garlic and finely
chopped parsley, and an optional hint of freshly ground white pepper.
Heavenly.

> Eat smaller portions.

Never!
--
Vilco
Mai guardare Trailer park Boys senza
qualcosa da bere a portata di mano

On Thu, 01 May 2008 18:39:27 -0500, metspitzer >
wrote:

>My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>
>Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
>
>The only healthy "fast food" I can think of would be Subway and it is
>only healthy if you leave out the flavor, like mayonnaise and cheese.
>
>Another way to would be to offer baked and not fried, but that too
>reduces the flavor.
>
>Mashed potatoes are a healthy choice, but not very good without gravy.
>
>Adding salt helps the flavor but too much salt is not good either.
>
>Salad would be good, but without dressing no flavor.
>
>Turkey or grilled chicken would be better than fried beef.
>
>Eat smaller portions.

Fast food is unhealthy because it is high in fat, sodium, and
calories, and generally very low in fiber and vitamins. Raising the
vegetable quota and using high-fiber whole-wheat breads would go a
long way towards making it healthy without seriously affecting
flavour.

Baked Potatos or roasted vegetable fries instead of french fries would
be a huge improvement. Use low-fat dairy products (esp cheese), and
cut the sodium in half!

Just go look at any SENSIBLE dieting website and you'll get a million
ideas for how to make food healthier but still great-tasting.

On Thu, 01 May 2008 18:39:27 -0500, metspitzer >
wrote:

>My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>
>Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
>
>The only healthy "fast food" I can think of would be Subway and it is
>only healthy if you leave out the flavor, like mayonnaise and cheese.
>
>Another way to would be to offer baked and not fried, but that too
>reduces the flavor.
>
>Mashed potatoes are a healthy choice, but not very good without gravy.
>
>Adding salt helps the flavor but too much salt is not good either.
>
>Salad would be good, but without dressing no flavor.
>
>Turkey or grilled chicken would be better than fried beef.
>
>Eat smaller portions.

Putting kids on a diet generally isn't a good idea. See this blog
entry:

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/...ne-mother.html

Jo Anne

"Jo Anne" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 01 May 2008 18:39:27 -0500, metspitzer >
> wrote:
>
>>My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>>
>>Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
>>
>>The only healthy "fast food" I can think of would be Subway and it is
>>only healthy if you leave out the flavor, like mayonnaise and cheese.
>>
>>Another way to would be to offer baked and not fried, but that too
>>reduces the flavor.
>>
>>Mashed potatoes are a healthy choice, but not very good without gravy.
>>
>>Adding salt helps the flavor but too much salt is not good either.
>>
>>Salad would be good, but without dressing no flavor.
>>
>>Turkey or grilled chicken would be better than fried beef.
>>
>>Eat smaller portions.
>
> Putting kids on a diet generally isn't a good idea. See this blog
> entry:
>

If you eat, your on a diet. It's what is in that diet that matters.


> http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/...ne-mother.html
>
> Jo Anne
>

metspitzer wrote:
>
> My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>
> Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
>
> The only healthy "fast food" I can think of would be Subway and it is
> only healthy if you leave out the flavor, like mayonnaise and cheese.
>
> Another way to would be to offer baked and not fried, but that too
> reduces the flavor.
>
> Mashed potatoes are a healthy choice, but not very good without gravy.
>
> Adding salt helps the flavor but too much salt is not good either.
>
> Salad would be good, but without dressing no flavor.
>
> Turkey or grilled chicken would be better than fried beef.
>
> Eat smaller portions.

What exactly is your nephew's homework assignment? What does 'healthy
fast food' have to do with his assignment? You've described a lot of
stuff, but what about the assignment and its objective? How is anyone
able to assist if the goal isn't described? I just don't understand the
correlation.

Sky, who's still in the dark, which isn't unusual <G>

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:11:36 -0500, Sky >
wrote:

>metspitzer wrote:
>>
>> My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>>
>> Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
>>
>> The only healthy "fast food" I can think of would be Subway and it is
>> only healthy if you leave out the flavor, like mayonnaise and cheese.
>>
>> Another way to would be to offer baked and not fried, but that too
>> reduces the flavor.
>>
>> Mashed potatoes are a healthy choice, but not very good without gravy.
>>
>> Adding salt helps the flavor but too much salt is not good either.
>>
>> Salad would be good, but without dressing no flavor.
>>
>> Turkey or grilled chicken would be better than fried beef.
>>
>> Eat smaller portions.
>
>What exactly is your nephew's homework assignment? What does 'healthy
>fast food' have to do with his assignment? You've described a lot of
>stuff, but what about the assignment and its objective? How is anyone
>able to assist if the goal isn't described? I just don't understand the
>correlation.
>
>Sky, who's still in the dark, which isn't unusual <G>

The topic he gave me was "Can schools offer fast food as a healthy
lunch alternative"

metspitzer wrote:
> On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:11:36 -0500, Sky >
> wrote:
>
>> metspitzer wrote:
>>>
>>> My nephew asked me to help him with a homework assignment.
>>>
>>> Anyone from the group care to offer suggestions?
>>>
>>> The only healthy "fast food" I can think of would be Subway and it
>>> is only healthy if you leave out the flavor, like mayonnaise and
>>> cheese.
>>>
>>
>> What exactly is your nephew's homework assignment? What does
>> 'healthy fast food' have to do with his assignment? You've
>> described a lot of stuff, but what about the assignment and its
>> objective? How is anyone able to assist if the goal isn't
>> described? I just don't understand the correlation.
>>
>> Sky, who's still in the dark, which isn't unusual <G>
>
> The topic he gave me was "Can schools offer fast food as a healthy
> lunch alternative"
>
Seems an odd assignment to give to a child. Fast Food (as we know it) is
inherently not healthy. You immediately mention Subway. I seriously doubt
a school is going to order [insert number here] Subway sandwiches to feed to
the kids. We *are* talking about a school cafeteria, right?

They can certainly make food that is "cooked fast" and have control over the
ingredients as well as the preparation method. In fact, "cooked fast" might
not even be a consideration. I remember going to class (when I was in high
school) and hearing the "lunch ladies" clanging pots and pans around in
there at 7:30 AM. They have time to do all sorts of things. Doesn't
include ordering Subway for lunch.

Jill

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> metspitzer wrote:

> > The topic he gave me was "Can schools offer fast food as a healthy
> > lunch alternative"
> >
> Seems an odd assignment to give to a child. Fast Food (as we know it) is
> inherently not healthy. You immediately mention Subway. I seriously doubt
> a school is going to order [insert number here] Subway sandwiches to feed to
> the kids. We *are* talking about a school cafeteria, right?
>
> They can certainly make food that is "cooked fast" and have control over the
> ingredients as well as the preparation method. In fact, "cooked fast" might
> not even be a consideration. I remember going to class (when I was in high
> school) and hearing the "lunch ladies" clanging pots and pans around in
> there at 7:30 AM. They have time to do all sorts of things. Doesn't
> include ordering Subway for lunch.

Once again, the woman who has no children and doesn't want any, is
telling us what it's like in schools. Yes, there are Subways in the
schools. There is Taco Bell. Who knows what all there is?

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Sun, 04 May 2008 09:36:34 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>Once again, the woman who has no children and doesn't want any, is
>telling us what it's like in schools. Yes, there are Subways in the
>schools. There is Taco Bell. Who knows what all there is?

To my knowledge there aren't any at the elementary level in my
district. Not sure if there are any at Jr. High or High School
either.

--
See return address to reply by email
remove the smile first

On Sun, 04 May 2008 09:36:34 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>> metspitzer wrote:
>
>> > The topic he gave me was "Can schools offer fast food as a healthy
>> > lunch alternative"
>> >
>> Seems an odd assignment to give to a child. Fast Food (as we know it) is
>> inherently not healthy. You immediately mention Subway. I seriously doubt
>> a school is going to order [insert number here] Subway sandwiches to feed to
>> the kids. We *are* talking about a school cafeteria, right?
>>
>> They can certainly make food that is "cooked fast" and have control over the
>> ingredients as well as the preparation method. In fact, "cooked fast" might
>> not even be a consideration. I remember going to class (when I was in high
>> school) and hearing the "lunch ladies" clanging pots and pans around in
>> there at 7:30 AM. They have time to do all sorts of things. Doesn't
>> include ordering Subway for lunch.
>
>Once again, the woman who has no children and doesn't want any, is
>telling us what it's like in schools. Yes, there are Subways in the
>schools. There is Taco Bell. Who knows what all there is?

i'm pretty sure there are no outbacks.

your pal,
blake

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>> metspitzer wrote:
>
>>> The topic he gave me was "Can schools offer fast food as a healthy
>>> lunch alternative"
>>>
>> Seems an odd assignment to give to a child. Fast Food (as we know
>> it) is inherently not healthy. You immediately mention Subway. I
>> seriously doubt a school is going to order [insert number here]
>> Subway sandwiches to feed to the kids. We *are* talking about a
>> school cafeteria, right?
>>
>> They can certainly make food that is "cooked fast" and have control
>> over the ingredients as well as the preparation method. In fact,
>> "cooked fast" might not even be a consideration. I remember going
>> to class (when I was in high school) and hearing the "lunch ladies"
>> clanging pots and pans around in there at 7:30 AM. They have time
>> to do all sorts of things. Doesn't include ordering Subway for
>> lunch.
>
> Once again, the woman who has no children and doesn't want any, is
> telling us what it's like in schools. Yes, there are Subways in the
> schools. There is Taco Bell. Who knows what all there is?

Dan, don't be an ass. I *went to school*. Sorry, but there were no Subways
in any school I ever attended, and there were lots of schools and lots of
cafeterias. If they have fast food joints in schools these days I'm very
glad I don't have kids. Might as well just send them to the Mall food
court; they could hold class there. Sheesh.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> Dan Abel wrote:
>> In article >,
>> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>>
>>> metspitzer wrote:
>>>> The topic he gave me was "Can schools offer fast food as a healthy
>>>> lunch alternative"
>>>>
>>> Seems an odd assignment to give to a child. Fast Food (as we know
>>> it) is inherently not healthy. You immediately mention Subway. I
>>> seriously doubt a school is going to order [insert number here]
>>> Subway sandwiches to feed to the kids. We *are* talking about a
>>> school cafeteria, right?
>>>
>>> They can certainly make food that is "cooked fast" and have control
>>> over the ingredients as well as the preparation method. In fact,
>>> "cooked fast" might not even be a consideration. I remember going
>>> to class (when I was in high school) and hearing the "lunch ladies"
>>> clanging pots and pans around in there at 7:30 AM. They have time
>>> to do all sorts of things. Doesn't include ordering Subway for
>>> lunch.
>> Once again, the woman who has no children and doesn't want any, is
>> telling us what it's like in schools. Yes, there are Subways in the
>> schools. There is Taco Bell. Who knows what all there is?
>
> Dan, don't be an ass. I *went to school*. Sorry, but there were no Subways
> in any school I ever attended, and there were lots of schools and lots of
> cafeterias. If they have fast food joints in schools these days I'm very
> glad I don't have kids. Might as well just send them to the Mall food
> court; they could hold class there. Sheesh.
>
> Jill
>
>

A lot has changed in 40 years. For some, that would include gender.

jmcquown wrote:
Sorry, but there were no Subways
> in any school I ever attended, and there were lots of schools and lots of
> cafeterias. If they have fast food joints in schools these days I'm very
> glad I don't have kids. Might as well just send them to the Mall food
> court; they could hold class there. Sheesh.
>


The cafeteria in the high school where I worked served wedges of Pizza
Hut pepperoni and plain cheese pizzas, Subway subs (IIRC, turkey or
Italian combo), small containers (maybe 1 cup?) of Chinese takeout,
usually either combo friend rice or lo mein. They also served the usual
burgers and fries, chicken (grilled or baked) on a hamburger bun, salad,
fruit, milk, and yogurt. They also served double crust spinach and
white pizzas from the shop across the street for a few months but only
the faculty ate those and it wasn't cost effective.

Within 1/4 mile of school, the kids have a choice of &-11, Dairy Queen,
Chinese, Italian, Taco Bell, Burger King, Starbucks, Thai, and an
Albertsons. All do a very good business at lunch; our high school has
over 2000 kids. SOme walk in groups, others drive further away.

Unlike the elementary and middle schools, high schoolers are free to
leave campus here for lunch and it's safer to serve what they'll eat so
more of them stay inhouse rather than what they SHOULD eat.

Parents and eating as a family influence kids to a large extent, but
lunch is more a social event than a gustatory one for high schoolers.


gloria p

On Mon, 5 May 2008 12:53:01 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>Dan Abel wrote:
>> In article >,
>> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>>
>>> metspitzer wrote:
>>
>>>> The topic he gave me was "Can schools offer fast food as a healthy
>>>> lunch alternative"
>>>>
>>> Seems an odd assignment to give to a child. Fast Food (as we know
>>> it) is inherently not healthy. You immediately mention Subway. I
>>> seriously doubt a school is going to order [insert number here]
>>> Subway sandwiches to feed to the kids. We *are* talking about a
>>> school cafeteria, right?
>>>
>>> They can certainly make food that is "cooked fast" and have control
>>> over the ingredients as well as the preparation method. In fact,
>>> "cooked fast" might not even be a consideration. I remember going
>>> to class (when I was in high school) and hearing the "lunch ladies"
>>> clanging pots and pans around in there at 7:30 AM. They have time
>>> to do all sorts of things. Doesn't include ordering Subway for
>>> lunch.
>>
>> Once again, the woman who has no children and doesn't want any, is
>> telling us what it's like in schools. Yes, there are Subways in the
>> schools. There is Taco Bell. Who knows what all there is?
>
>Dan, don't be an ass. I *went to school*. Sorry, but there were no Subways
>in any school I ever attended, and there were lots of schools and lots of
>cafeterias. If they have fast food joints in schools these days I'm very
>glad I don't have kids. Might as well just send them to the Mall food
>court; they could hold class there. Sheesh.
>
>Jill
>

when i went to school, they didn't even have subways at subways.

your pal,
blake