Kentucky Derby.

Gimme "Eight Belles"

A hunch bet!

And gimme whatever they drink down there!

Andy

Andy wrote:
> Kentucky Derby.
>
> Gimme "Eight Belles"
>
> A hunch bet!
>
> And gimme whatever they drink down there!
>
> Andy
>
I believe that would be mint juleps.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> I believe that would be mint juleps.

And don't forget that traditional Derby food, Burgoo.

"This Kentucky stew is traditional anytime, but especially at Derby parties.
There are as many recipes for Burgoo as there are cooks in Kentucky so feel
free to improvise."

INGREDIENTS:

3 lb. chicken, ready to cook
2 lb. beef tips
12 c. water
1 T. salt
1/4 t. pepper
6 slices Bacon
2 large cans tomatoes
1 c. cubed peeled potatoes
2 c. sliced carrots
1 c. chopped cnion
1 c. chopped celery
1 c. chopped green pepper
2 T. packed dark brown sugar
1/4 t. crushed dried red pepper
4 whole cloves
1 clove garlic, minced
1 bay leaf
4 ears of corn
2 cans Butter Beans
1 c. sliced okra (can substitute 1 package of frozen)
2/3 c. all-purpose Flour

PREPARATION:

In 10-quart Dutch oven or stock pot combine chicken, beef, water, salt and
pepper. Cover; cook til meat is tender, about 1 hour. Remove chicken from
broth leaving the beef tips in it. Remove chicken from bones, discard skin
and bones, and cube. Set aside. Cook bacon til crisp; drain, reserving
drippings. Cruble bacon, set aside. To reserved broth and beef in Dutch
oven, add undrained tomatoes, potatoes, carrots, onion, celery, green
pepper, sugar, red pepper, cloves, garlic,and bay leaf. Cover; simmer 1
hour, stirring often. Remove cloves and bay leaf. With knife, make cuts down
center of each row of corn kernels and scrape off of cobs. Add corn, cubed
chicken, undrained beans, and okra to Dutch oven; simmer 20 minutes. Blend
flour and reserved bacon drippings; stir into stew. Cook until stew
thickens. Salt to taste.



--
Dave www.davebbq.com

What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

Andy wrote:
>
> Kentucky Derby.
>
> Gimme "Eight Belles"
>
> A hunch bet!
>
> And gimme whatever they drink down there!
>
> Andy

That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
due to compound fractures of both front ankles. Breeders need to start
breeding horses with stronger bones.

Arri wrote on Sat, 03 May 2008 17:45:57 -0600:


> Andy wrote:
>>>
>> Kentucky Derby.
>>
>> Gimme "Eight Belles"
>>
>> A hunch bet!
>>
>> And gimme whatever they drink down there!
>>
>> Andy

That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in
second)
> due to compound fractures of both front ankles.
> Breeders need to start breeding horses with stronger bones.

The original justification of horse racing was "to improve the
breed". If you look at the statistics there has been no
significant increase in the speed of horses in the Kentucky or
Epsom Derbies over the past 30 years. What else are those horses
for except to run faster?


--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Arri London said...

>
>
> Andy wrote:
>>
>> Kentucky Derby.
>>
>> Gimme "Eight Belles"
>>
>> A hunch bet!
>>
>> And gimme whatever they drink down there!
>>
>> Andy
>
> That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
> due to compound fractures of both front ankles. Breeders need to start
> breeding horses with stronger bones.


Yep. How horrific was that!??

Andy

James Silverton wrote:
>
> The original justification of horse racing was "to improve
> the breed". If you look at the statistics there has been no
> significant increase in the speed of horses in the Kentucky
> or Epsom Derbies over the past 30 years. What else are those
> horses for except to run faster?

If they were more tasty, that would be worth it!

Arri London > wrote:

>That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
>due to compound fractures of both front ankles.

And if she had been a stallion they would not have euthanised
her. Pretty cold-hearted if you ask me.

Steve

On Sat, 03 May 2008 18:51:50 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>Arri London said...
>
>>
>>
>> Andy wrote:
>>>
>>> Kentucky Derby.
>>>
>>> Gimme "Eight Belles"
>>>
>>> A hunch bet!
>>>
>>> And gimme whatever they drink down there!
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
>> due to compound fractures of both front ankles. Breeders need to start
>> breeding horses with stronger bones.
>
>
>Yep. How horrific was that!??
>
>Andy

Just about the worst thing I have ever seen. I was hoping for her
too. I don't think I will ever watch another Kentucky Derby and I
have watched for decades. That was so sad and I could still cry.

sadly
beans
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona

said...

> On Sat, 03 May 2008 18:51:50 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>
>>Arri London said...
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kentucky Derby.
>>>>
>>>> Gimme "Eight Belles"
>>>>
>>>> A hunch bet!
>>>>
>>>> And gimme whatever they drink down there!
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>
>>> That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
>>> due to compound fractures of both front ankles. Breeders need to start
>>> breeding horses with stronger bones.
>>
>>
>>Yep. How horrific was that!??
>>
>>Andy
>
> Just about the worst thing I have ever seen. I was hoping for her
> too. I don't think I will ever watch another Kentucky Derby and I
> have watched for decades. That was so sad and I could still cry.
>
> sadly
> beans
> roast beans to kona to email
> farmers of Pure Kona


beans,

That WAS God awfull! ((

I shed a tear too.

Andy

On May 3, 4:45*pm, Arri London > wrote:

> That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
> due to compound fractures of both front ankles. Breeders need to start
> breeding horses with stronger bones.

The problem isn't breeding for stronger bones, the problem is racing
horses that are not fully matured. Two-years old is way to young to be
running a horse. I feel that they should be a MINIMUM of three to four
years old. Won't happen though. It costs more to keep, train and
condition a horse an extra year or two.

That was so sad to watch. I had done a little soul searching before
the race (because I do love horses AND racing) and was given some
insight from friends that I never considered before. I had plans to go
bet at a satellite track site, but couldn't after some of the things I
read today. I don't want to outlaw racing, I just think there are
reforms that can and should be made.

Ever wonder what happens to used-up race horses? A friend provided
this link to me and I think it's worth sharing:

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/HorseR...article/420982

In a strange way, the story could be on-topic as they are talking
about horse meat for consumption.

--Lin

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Arri London > wrote:
>
>>That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
>>due to compound fractures of both front ankles.
>
> And if she had been a stallion they would not have euthanised
> her. Pretty cold-hearted if you ask me.
>

She would still have been euthanized, there was no way to get her mobile,
her ankles were both broken and that is quite a painful and hard thing to
overcome.

On Sun, 4 May 2008 00:30:13 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
Pope) wrote:

>Arri London > wrote:
>
>>That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
>>due to compound fractures of both front ankles.
>
>And if she had been a stallion they would not have euthanised
>her. Pretty cold-hearted if you ask me.
>
>Steve

I don't think you'd agree with yourself, if you saw the wrenching
photo on yahoo.com. Her ankles bent backwards and since horses iirc
need their legs to support the tremendous weight above, I believe it
was humane.

I just don't know what could have occurred to have both ankles crumble
unless she just wasn't sound. Hard to believe.

Think I'll try to forget the photo and watch something inane on the
Food Network- to keep it to rfc.

aloha,
beans
roast beans to kona to email
farmers of Pure Kona

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message
...
> Arri London > wrote:
>
>>That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
>>due to compound fractures of both front ankles.
>
> And if she had been a stallion they would not have euthanised
> her. Pretty cold-hearted if you ask me.
>
> Steve

Yes, they would have had to euthanize a stallion in that condition. She
broke both front ankles, so she could not stand. It is almost impossible to
keep a horse alive for any period of time in a sling. I remember becoming
distraught as a child when I learned that it is common practice to destroy a
horse with a broken leg. I could not understand it and once told my father,
"...but you would not kill *me* if I had a broken leg"! They tried to keep
Barbaro alive, but he was almost a cult figure by then. In fact, they used
heroic measures (which probably caused still more pain for him), but he
developed laminitis. That is a common problem for horses that cannot put
equal pressure on all legs. I cried over his death, too.

MaryL

> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 4 May 2008 00:30:13 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
> Pope) wrote:
>
>>Arri London > wrote:
>>
>>>That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
>>>due to compound fractures of both front ankles.
>>
>>And if she had been a stallion they would not have euthanised
>>her. Pretty cold-hearted if you ask me.
>>
>>Steve
>
> I don't think you'd agree with yourself, if you saw the wrenching
> photo on yahoo.com. Her ankles bent backwards and since horses iirc
> need their legs to support the tremendous weight above, I believe it
> was humane.
>
> I just don't know what could have occurred to have both ankles crumble
> unless she just wasn't sound. Hard to believe.
>
> Think I'll try to forget the photo and watch something inane on the
> Food Network- to keep it to rfc.
>
> aloha,
> beans
> roast beans to kona to email
> farmers of Pure Kona

It really is horrible. Think of those thin little legs supporting that
massive body and pounding down a track at full speed. The pressure of the
legs and ankles is enormous -- and, as someone else wrote, they are being
raced before they are fully mature.

MaryL

> wrote:

>On Sun, 4 May 2008 00:30:13 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
>Pope) wrote:

>>And if she had been a stallion they would not have euthanised
>>her. Pretty cold-hearted if you ask me.

>I don't think you'd agree with yourself, if you saw the wrenching
>photo on yahoo.com. Her ankles bent backwards and since horses iirc
>need their legs to support the tremendous weight above, I believe it
>was humane.
>
>I just don't know what could have occurred to have both ankles crumble
>unless she just wasn't sound. Hard to believe.

I recall ahead of the race there were concerns some of the horses
had never run on anything but artificial turf before. Was this
the case with the downed horse, I wonder?

However you stack it up its inhumane -- if not the euthanasia
itself, then the entire chain of events.

Steve

> wrote
> I just don't know what could have occurred to have both ankles crumble
> unless she just wasn't sound. Hard to believe.
>

yes. It's completely horrifying.

I've been told that these horses are raced before they are completely
mature, or, as she said, while their bones are still "soft." Don't know if
it is true.

Arri London wrote:
>
> Andy wrote:
>> Kentucky Derby.
>>
>> Gimme "Eight Belles"
>>
>
> That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
> due to compound fractures of both front ankles. Breeders need to start
> breeding horses with stronger bones.


Just before the race I mentioned to my husband that it's amazing that
horses with such skinny legs can run so fast and carry any weight.
Prophetic, unfortunately.

gloria p

"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote
>
> It really is horrible. Think of those thin little legs supporting that
> massive body and pounding down a track at full speed. The pressure of the
> legs and ankles is enormous -- and, as someone else wrote, they are being
> raced before they are fully mature.

Ah, so it is true. Perfectly horrible. And a big money business, so of
course
it will continue as it has for centuries.

MaryL wrote:
> Yes, they would have had to euthanize a stallion in that condition. She
> broke both front ankles, so she could not stand. It is almost
> impossible to keep a horse alive for any period of time in a sling. I
> remember becoming distraught as a child when I learned that it is common
> practice to destroy a horse with a broken leg. I could not understand
> it and once told my father, "...but you would not kill *me* if I had a
> broken leg"! They tried to keep Barbaro alive, but he was almost a cult
> figure by then. In fact, they used heroic measures (which probably
> caused still more pain for him), but he developed laminitis. That is a
> common problem for horses that cannot put equal pressure on all legs. I
> cried over his death, too.

And in Barbaro's hideous case, he was forced to survive at any cost in
the hope that he would one day stand stud. The treatment we give these
fine animals is so atrocious and self-serving... kept alive for
torturous months until his owners couldn't deny his suffering anymore.
Disgraceful!

On May 3, 8:46*pm, Pennyaline > wrote:

> And in Barbaro's hideous case, he was forced to survive at any cost in
> the hope that he would one day stand stud. The treatment we give these
> fine animals is so atrocious and self-serving... kept alive for
> torturous months until his owners couldn't deny his suffering anymore.
> Disgraceful!

I'd lay odds that while he was alive, he was "stimulated" enough to
extract sperm for artificial insemination. There were comments that on
his good days, he was nickering for the mares and still very
interested. No doubt there will be offspring of Barbaro.

So, in a way Steve Pope was probably right about them trying to keep a
(valuable) stud alive longer.

--Lin

On May 3, 5:30 pm, wrote:
> On Sat, 03 May 2008 18:51:50 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
> >Arri London said...
>>
> >> That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
> >> due to compound fractures of both front ankles. Breeders need to start
> >> breeding horses with stronger bones.
>
> >Yep. How horrific was that!??
>
> >Andy
>
> Just about the worst thing I have ever seen. I was hoping for her
> too. I don't think I will ever watch another Kentucky Derby and I
> have watched for decades. That was so sad and I could still cry.
>
I don't think I've watched the Kentucky Derby since that one. It was
absolutely sickening. Race horses are put down for the insurance
money, not because they can't survive w/o proper care. Horse racing
is still a corrupt sport.

<horking up a loogie> I SPIT on them!

On Sat, 3 May 2008 21:05:38 -0700 (PDT), sf >
wrote:

>On May 3, 5:30 pm, wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 18:51:50 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>> >Arri London said...
>>>
>> >> That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
>> >> due to compound fractures of both front ankles. Breeders need to start
>> >> breeding horses with stronger bones.
>>
>> >Yep. How horrific was that!??
>>
>> >Andy
>>
>> Just about the worst thing I have ever seen. I was hoping for her
>> too. I don't think I will ever watch another Kentucky Derby and I
>> have watched for decades. That was so sad and I could still cry.
>>
>I don't think I've watched the Kentucky Derby since that one. It was
>absolutely sickening. Race horses are put down for the insurance
>money, not because they can't survive w/o proper care. Horse racing
>is still a corrupt sport.
>
><horking up a loogie> I SPIT on them!

I'm behind the times.... I'm NOT talking about Eight Belles. I don't
watch the kentucky derby anymore, so I've never heard of that Filly.
I'm talking about the "other" one.

Now that I think of it.... maybe it was just a two horse race. Not
the Kentucky Derby! This was at least 15 years ago. It was a horsey
grudge match - sorta like the Billy Jean King vs. Bobby Riggs
thing.... only they were the same age when they raced.

In any case, knowing they put the filly down and finding out that
horses are put down for the insurance money put me off of enjoying tv
horse racing.

--
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On Sat 03 May 2008 02:29:19p, Andy told us...

> Kentucky Derby.
>
> Gimme "Eight Belles"
>
> A hunch bet!
>
> And gimme whatever they drink down there!
>
> Andy
>

Mint Juleps!!! And I love them if made properly.

Desert would be Derby Pie, which is either a Chocolate Pecan Pie or
Chocolate Walnut Pie.

--
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3wks 1dys 2hrs 15mins
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On Sat 03 May 2008 06:03:18p, Andy told us...

> said...
>
>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 18:51:50 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>>
>>>Arri London said...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Kentucky Derby.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gimme "Eight Belles"
>>>>>
>>>>> A hunch bet!
>>>>>
>>>>> And gimme whatever they drink down there!
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
>>>> due to compound fractures of both front ankles. Breeders need to start
>>>> breeding horses with stronger bones.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yep. How horrific was that!??
>>>
>>>Andy
>>
>> Just about the worst thing I have ever seen. I was hoping for her
>> too. I don't think I will ever watch another Kentucky Derby and I
>> have watched for decades. That was so sad and I could still cry.
>>
>> sadly
>> beans
>> roast beans to kona to email farmers of Pure Kona
>
>
> beans,
>
> That WAS God awfull! ((
>
> I shed a tear too.
>
> Andy
>

Yes, it was very very sad. I can hardly bear to even know about things
like that. The poor horse, and to what goddam purpose?!?

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On Sat 03 May 2008 06:43:10p, MaryL told us...

>
> "Steve Pope" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Arri London > wrote:
>>
>>>That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in second)
>>>due to compound fractures of both front ankles.
>>
>> And if she had been a stallion they would not have euthanised
>> her. Pretty cold-hearted if you ask me.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Yes, they would have had to euthanize a stallion in that condition. She
> broke both front ankles, so she could not stand. It is almost
> impossible to keep a horse alive for any period of time in a sling. I
> remember becoming distraught as a child when I learned that it is common
> practice to destroy a horse with a broken leg. I could not understand
> it and once told my father, "...but you would not kill *me* if I had a
> broken leg"! They tried to keep Barbaro alive, but he was almost a cult
> figure by then. In fact, they used heroic measures (which probably
> caused still more pain for him), but he developed laminitis. That is a
> common problem for horses that cannot put equal pressure on all legs. I
> cried over his death, too.
>
> MaryL
>
>

That, too, as horibly sad.

--
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only witnesses. --Tim Kazurinsky

On Sun, 04 May 2008 04:50:17 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>Desert would be Derby Pie, which is either a Chocolate Pecan Pie or
>Chocolate Walnut Pie.

And the recipe is a closely guarded secret. When I lived in
Louisville back in the 90s, it was all over the place. Everywhere one
went, there was Derby Pie.

Christine

On Sat 03 May 2008 09:57:29p, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Sun, 04 May 2008 04:50:17 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>Desert would be Derby Pie, which is either a Chocolate Pecan Pie or
>>Chocolate Walnut Pie.
>
> And the recipe is a closely guarded secret. When I lived in
> Louisville back in the 90s, it was all over the place. Everywhere one
> went, there was Derby Pie.
>
> Christine
>

It's not hard to duplicate. Use a "standard" pecan or walnut pie recipe
and add a cup of chocolate chips, a couple of ounces of Kentucky bourbon,
and a tablespoon of flour to the filling.

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On Sun, 04 May 2008 05:19:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Sat 03 May 2008 09:57:29p, Christine Dabney told us...

>> And the recipe is a closely guarded secret. When I lived in
>> Louisville back in the 90s, it was all over the place. Everywhere one
>> went, there was Derby Pie.
>>
>> Christine
>>
>
>It's not hard to duplicate. Use a "standard" pecan or walnut pie recipe
>and add a cup of chocolate chips, a couple of ounces of Kentucky bourbon,
>and a tablespoon of flour to the filling.

Yeah, I have "copycat" recipes of it. It is a bit rich for my tastes,
but a lot of folks loved it.

Another common dish around those parts was a spread/dip. Not Pimiento
Cheese, but another one that you never see outside of the south, or
even much outside KY. I am trying to remember the name of it. Maybe
when I get back to my house later this week, I can look it up.

Derby Week in Louisville was always a madhouse. Parties galore,
people talking about the horses and placing bets on them... Friday,
everything closed down, even libraries, etc..as it was the Kentucky
Oaks then.... And Derby day, it was nonstop TV and radio coverage all
day long.... Everyone would tune in and watch the race: everything
came to a halt for the Derby....

Kentucky does love it's horses....

Christine

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> Kentucky Derby.
>
> Gimme "Eight Belles"
>
> A hunch bet!
>
> And gimme whatever they drink down there!
>
> Andy


Here's a video of the race!

http://tinyurl.com/5cyejt

Bigbazza (Barry) Oz

On Sat 03 May 2008 10:25:43p, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Sun, 04 May 2008 05:19:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>On Sat 03 May 2008 09:57:29p, Christine Dabney told us...
>
>>> And the recipe is a closely guarded secret. When I lived in
>>> Louisville back in the 90s, it was all over the place. Everywhere one
>>> went, there was Derby Pie.
>>>
>>> Christine
>>>
>>
>>It's not hard to duplicate. Use a "standard" pecan or walnut pie recipe
>>and add a cup of chocolate chips, a couple of ounces of Kentucky bourbon,
>>and a tablespoon of flour to the filling.
>
> Yeah, I have "copycat" recipes of it. It is a bit rich for my tastes,
> but a lot of folks loved it.

Well, you do know that there is no one single "authentic" recipe for it.
It varies from restaurant to restaurant, from individual to individual. A
friend of mine who lived in Lousiville most of his life gave me that
modification for the pie. It certainly is rich, but it taste very
authentic. Personally, I'd rather just stick with the Mint Julep!

> Another common dish around those parts was a spread/dip. Not Pimiento
> Cheese, but another one that you never see outside of the south, or
> even much outside KY. I am trying to remember the name of it. Maybe
> when I get back to my house later this week, I can look it up.

I would love to know about that spread/dip! Please don't forget.

> Derby Week in Louisville was always a madhouse. Parties galore,
> people talking about the horses and placing bets on them... Friday,
> everything closed down, even libraries, etc..as it was the Kentucky
> Oaks then.... And Derby day, it was nonstop TV and radio coverage all
> day long.... Everyone would tune in and watch the race: everything
> came to a halt for the Derby....
>
> Kentucky does love it's horses....

It does, indeed. Years ago I had a friend in Cleveland who was a native of
Lexington, whose family had been there forever and were deeply entrenched
in both the banking business and horse breeding. They never missed a
Derby, even living in Cleveland. When they relocated Lexington, I was
invited down every year for nearly a decade to go with them to Louisville
for Derby Week. It was very exciting, especially since they knew a lot of
people involved.

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On Sun, 04 May 2008 05:54:29 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>
>Well, you do know that there is no one single "authentic" recipe for it.
>It varies from restaurant to restaurant, from individual to individual. A
>friend of mine who lived in Lousiville most of his life gave me that
>modification for the pie. It certainly is rich, but it taste very
>authentic.
I thought it was claimed by a restaurant..they have the "patent" on
it... I could be wrong here, but that is what I have always heard.

Wikipedia says they have the name registered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_pie


Personally, I'd rather just stick with the Mint Julep!
>
>I would love to know about that spread/dip! Please don't forget.

Remind me. The rest of the month will be a zoo for me, as I am
heading up to Denver for about 10 days, almost as soon as I get back
to NM. After that, I am bringing my Australian friend back with
me...and will be trying to give her a whirlwind glimpse of the
Southwest.

Hmm...maybe I could find the recipe and make some of that spread for
her. That and pimiento cheese.... She might not eat either one
though....LOL.

Christine

On Sat 03 May 2008 11:03:45p, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Sun, 04 May 2008 05:54:29 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>Well, you do know that there is no one single "authentic" recipe for it.
>>It varies from restaurant to restaurant, from individual to individual.
A
>>friend of mine who lived in Lousiville most of his life gave me that
>>modification for the pie. It certainly is rich, but it taste very
>>authentic.
> I thought it was claimed by a restaurant..they have the "patent" on
> it... I could be wrong here, but that is what I have always heard.
>
> Wikipedia says they have the name registered.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_pie

Actually, it's Kern's Kitchen, and they do hold a patent on it, and
distribute it to many of the local restaurants. But I think the "secret"
was really cracked years ago.

> Personally, I'd rather just stick with the Mint Julep!
>>
>>I would love to know about that spread/dip! Please don't forget.
>
> Remind me. The rest of the month will be a zoo for me, as I am
> heading up to Denver for about 10 days, almost as soon as I get back
> to NM. After that, I am bringing my Australian friend back with
> me...and will be trying to give her a whirlwind glimpse of the
> Southwest.

I'll try to remember to remind you. :-) I'm not envying you cooking for
your Australian friend. Personally, I'd eat out a LOT! :-)

> Hmm...maybe I could find the recipe and make some of that spread for
> her. That and pimiento cheese.... She might not eat either one
> though....LOL.

Speaking of which, did you ever send/post the pimiento cheese recipe you
use? I have a good one, but I think it's quite different than yours.

> Christine
>



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On Sun, 04 May 2008 06:18:39 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:


>Speaking of which, did you ever send/post the pimiento cheese recipe you
>use? I have a good one, but I think it's quite different than yours.
>
>> Christine
>>

Yes I did. Charlotte finally got me to do it...and I forget what
thread it was under. I can post it again...in fact, here it is!


* Exported from MasterCook *

Pimiento Cheese

Recipe By :James Villas
Serving Size : 10 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories :

Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
1/2 pound extra sharp cheddar cheese -- grated
1 4 ounce jar pimientos -- drained and finely chopped
1/2 cup green olives (optional) -- finely chopped
1/2 cup mayonnaise -- homemade or Hellmans
1 tablespoon fresh lemon juice
1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce
black pepper to taste
Tabasco sauce to taste

Add pimentos to grated cheese in mixing bowl, and optional olives. Mix
well. Add the mayonnaise, lemon juice,Worcestershire sauce, pepper
and Tabasco Sauce. Using a fork, stir and mash the mixture til blended
and almost a chunky paste. Scrape the mixture into a crock and serve
with crackers as a canape. Keeps up to a week in the fridge.

Source:
"My Mother's Southern Kitchen, by James Villas

NOTES : I don't add the olives to this spread, but I imagine they
would be good. Also, I vacillate between grating the cheddar
coarsely or finely.


Christine

On Sat 03 May 2008 11:32:13p, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Sun, 04 May 2008 06:18:39 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Speaking of which, did you ever send/post the pimiento cheese recipe you
>>use? I have a good one, but I think it's quite different than yours.
>>
>>> Christine
>>>
>
> Yes I did. Charlotte finally got me to do it...and I forget what
> thread it was under. I can post it again...in fact, here it is!
>
>
> * Exported from MasterCook *
>
> Pimiento Cheese
>
> Recipe By :James Villas
> Serving Size : 10 Preparation Time :0:00
> Categories :
>
> Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
> -------- ------------ --------------------------------
> 1/2 pound extra sharp cheddar cheese -- grated
> 1 4 ounce jar pimientos -- drained and finely chopped
> 1/2 cup green olives (optional) -- finely chopped
> 1/2 cup mayonnaise -- homemade or Hellmans
> 1 tablespoon fresh lemon juice
> 1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce
> black pepper to taste
> Tabasco sauce to taste
>
> Add pimentos to grated cheese in mixing bowl, and optional olives. Mix
> well. Add the mayonnaise, lemon juice,Worcestershire sauce, pepper
> and Tabasco Sauce. Using a fork, stir and mash the mixture til blended
> and almost a chunky paste. Scrape the mixture into a crock and serve
> with crackers as a canape. Keeps up to a week in the fridge.
>
> Source:
> "My Mother's Southern Kitchen, by James Villas
>
> NOTES : I don't add the olives to this spread, but I imagine they
> would be good. Also, I vacillate between grating the cheddar
> coarsely or finely.
>
>
> Christine
>

Oh, thanks! I've saved it again. I like the cheddar grated coarsely, and
I'm going to try the olives, which my recipe doesn't have. appreciated!

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"sf" <.> wrote in message ...
>
> On Sat, 3 May 2008 21:05:38 -0700 (PDT), sf >
> wrote:
>
>>On May 3, 5:30 pm, wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 18:51:50 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:
>>> >Arri London said...
>>>>
>>> >> That poor filly had to be put down after the race (she came in
>>> >> second)
>>> >> due to compound fractures of both front ankles. Breeders need to
>>> >> start
>>> >> breeding horses with stronger bones.
>>>
>>> >Yep. How horrific was that!??
>>>
>>> >Andy
>>>
>>> Just about the worst thing I have ever seen. I was hoping for her
>>> too. I don't think I will ever watch another Kentucky Derby and I
>>> have watched for decades. That was so sad and I could still cry.
>>>
>>I don't think I've watched the Kentucky Derby since that one. It was
>>absolutely sickening. Race horses are put down for the insurance
>>money, not because they can't survive w/o proper care. Horse racing
>>is still a corrupt sport.
>>
>><horking up a loogie> I SPIT on them!
>
> I'm behind the times.... I'm NOT talking about Eight Belles. I don't
> watch the kentucky derby anymore, so I've never heard of that Filly.
> I'm talking about the "other" one.
>
> Now that I think of it.... maybe it was just a two horse race. Not
> the Kentucky Derby! This was at least 15 years ago. It was a horsey
> grudge match - sorta like the Billy Jean King vs. Bobby Riggs
> thing.... only they were the same age when they raced.
>
> In any case, knowing they put the filly down and finding out that
> horses are put down for the insurance money put me off of enjoying tv
> horse racing.
>
> --
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I think you are talking about the filly, Ruffian. That was about 30 years
ago. Foolish Pleasure was winner of the Kentucky Derby and faced Ruffian in
a match race. She had been undefeated up to that time, but broke down
shortly after the start of the race and was euthanized. That was another
bitter moment.

MaryL

Andy <q> wrote in :

> Kentucky Derby.
>
> Gimme "Eight Belles"

show & so sad!
we were late to the annual Kentucky Derby party hosted by
friends of ours. my son was so depressed because in 6 years of
picking horses on Derby day, he has never been wrong (he's 7.5
years old). i'll have to find the other two races on TV for
him later...

> And gimme whatever they drink down there!

i made fresh strawberry ice cream for the party (& we were
late because i forgot it & had to turn around to go get it).
my chapeau won the hat contest & Boo won a horseshoe from
Saratoga racetrack.

lee
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Mark Thorson > wrote in
:

> James Silverton wrote:
>>
>> The original justification of horse racing was "to improve
>> the breed". If you look at the statistics there has been
>> no significant increase in the speed of horses in the
>> Kentucky or Epsom Derbies over the past 30 years. What
>> else are those horses for except to run faster?
>
> If they were more tasty, that would be worth it!

they are tasty, but it's illegal to eat "pets" in the US.
if it wasn't, there wouldn't be people releasing horses "to
the wild" or sending them to petfood (which may also become
illegal if PETA gets their way) because they can't sell them
or afford to keep them. not eating horse is just sentimental
stupidity.
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sf > wrote in

ps.com:

> I don't think I've watched the Kentucky Derby since that
> one. It was absolutely sickening. Race horses are put
> down for the insurance money, not because they can't
> survive w/o proper care. Horse racing is still a corrupt
> sport.

you can't fix compound fractures in the area above the hoof.
you especially can't fix it in *both* sides. a horse can't
keep it's weight off the area to heal.
if a horse is down for just a few hours, you can't get it
back up & to heal those bones would take months.
trust me, she was NOT euthanized "for the insurance". it was
because she was in intense pain that couldn't be fixed.
and i'm pretty sure you *haven't* watched a Kentucky Derby
since that one because it was *yesterday*
lee
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enigma wrote on Sun, 4 May 2008 13:38:26 +0000 (UTC):

>> James Silverton wrote:
>>>
>>> The original justification of horse racing was "to improve
>>> the breed". If you look at the statistics there has been
>>> no significant increase in the speed of horses in the
>>> Kentucky or Epsom Derbies over the past 30 years. What
>>> else are those horses for except to run faster?
>>
>> If they were more tasty, that would be worth it!

> they are tasty, but it's illegal to eat "pets" in the US.
> if it wasn't, there wouldn't be people releasing horses "to
> the wild" or sending them to petfood (which may also become
> illegal if PETA gets their way) because they can't sell them
> or afford to keep them. not eating horse is just sentimental
> stupidity.
> lee

Unlike many people, I do not like the smell of horses. They are
large, stupid and rather beautiful animals but, because I know
they can be quite affectionate, I would be very reluctant to eat
horse meat, legality or otherwise. I remember one of the
Budweiser horses licking the back of my small daughter's neck to
remind her to pat him. She did not really appreciate it!

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