"PeterLucas" > wrote in message
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> "Cindi - HappyMamatoThree" > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>>>
>>>> Ah. Said I didn't know much about US politics <lol>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know they use cigars for funny purposes, and save their dresses,
>>> unwashed, for a couple of years :-)
>>
>> Did anyone, besides me, see "set up" written all over that or was it
>> just me? Must have been just me. Not defending Clinton, just pointing
>> out the obvious.
>>
>
>
> As soon as it came out (no pun intended!!) that she had kept the dress,
> unwashed/undry-cleaned for *ages* after the incident, and it
> conveniently had some 'spillage' on it......... I could imagine her
> sitting there rubbing her hands together thinking she was on the 'gravy
> train'!!

It's "Look, look. I haven't had a chance to take my dry cleaning in and
here's the dress. I was so planning on doing it by the end of the month and
I just kept forgetting. Aren't you glad it's still here in the bottom of the
closet?"

Yeah, uh-huh.

Cindi

>
>
> And now......... she's forever known as the slapper that blew a
> President off, and any guy who goes out with her will be expecting
> certain things to be done on the first date!!
>
>
> http://www.jokes2000.com/jokes/files/joke9232.htm
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> You will travel through the valley of rejection;
> you will reside in the land of morning mists...and you will find your
> home,
> though it will not be where you left it.

enigma wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in
> :
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>> I see that the supermarket chains around here are offering
>>> a 10% bonus if you spend part of your stimulus check
>>> there.
>>
>> How would they know you were spending it there?
>>
>> The entire point of "stimulus checks" is to get you to
>> spend. DON'T. Invest the money and let the economy
>> stabilize. Don't run out and buy a car, fer cryin out
>> loud!
>
> with $600? heh
>
> lee

Obviously not, silly. But they want you to run out and spend that
"stimulus", like that's going to help anyone do anything but get into debt.
Sheesh.

On Thu, 08 May 2008 12:51:55 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>OK. Another question. How do you spend 'part' of your stimulus check at a
>particular store? i.e. Say I get a sent check for $600 (or whatever) and I
>only want to use $300 of it at a particular store, what then?

Cash the check and spread it around, just like any other rebate.

Mine went into a (modern design) 18 carat gold ring with a small, but
sparkly, diamond. It was money well spent.

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On Thu, 08 May 2008 17:06:22 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>blake murphy > dropped this
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> i hadn't heard of this. i was gonna spend mine on crack, which i
>> figure would be plenty stimulating.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>I'll trade you 2 crack for 1 morphine
>
>Michael

but where's the stimulus in that? but, given the times, you may be on
to something.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 8 May 2008 11:30:00 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
>"blake murphy" > wrote
>
>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 23:42:39 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>> wrote:
>
>>>Is anyone planning to reduce their grocery bill that way? I know many
>>>other types of stores are offering the same deal.
>
>> i hadn't heard of this. i was gonna spend mine on crack, which i
>> figure would be plenty stimulating.
>
>I'm sure any dealer would be happy to give you 10 percent more
>for your dollar if Home Depot is! Heh.
>
>nancy
>

i suspect most crack dealers have no problems with marketing.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 8 May 2008 14:10:26 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>
>"Default User" > wrote
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> I see that the supermarket chains around here are offering a 10% bonus
>>> if you spend part of your stimulus check there. Give them $300, get
>>> a $330 gift card. $1200, get $1320.
>>>
>>> Is anyone planning to reduce their grocery bill that way? I know many
>>> other types of stores are offering the same deal.
>>
>> So far only one St. Louis chain has advertised the deal, and it's the
>> one I don't use much. We'll see if the other two step up now that Shop
>> n Save has advertised it. If one of them does, then sure. It's a 10%
>> return on your money, which is good.
>
>I would not take up the offer at a store where I don't already shop,
>agreed. The two stores where I do most of my shopping do offer
>the option, which is why I'm considering it.
>
>nancy
>

well, money is fungible. use the check for a big shopping trip and
bank the sum spent anyway (if that was your intention).

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 08 May 2008 21:56:55 -0700, wrote:

> On Thu, 08 May 2008 12:51:55 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>OK. Another question. How do you spend 'part' of your stimulus check at a
>>particular store? i.e. Say I get a sent check for $600 (or whatever) and I
>>only want to use $300 of it at a particular store, what then?
>
> Cash the check and spread it around, just like any other rebate.
>
> Mine went into a (modern design) 18 carat gold ring with a small, but
> sparkly, diamond. It was money well spent.

<donning flak-jacket>

I see. At least your esteemed President Bush was useful for something
<grin>

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"kilikini" > wrote in message
...
> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 11:30:00 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "blake murphy" > wrote
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 23:42:39 -0400, "Nancy Young"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Is anyone planning to reduce their grocery bill that way? I know
>>>>> many other types of stores are offering the same deal.
>>>
>>>> i hadn't heard of this. i was gonna spend mine on crack, which i
>>>> figure would be plenty stimulating.
>>>
>>> I'm sure any dealer would be happy to give you 10 percent more
>>> for your dollar if Home Depot is! Heh.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>
>> i suspect most crack dealers have no problems with marketing.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> I don't know, let me ask my neighbors. :-(

Oh so very sorry. God, that is one of the best things about our move from
Mississippi. We had a house across the street that was busted. We knew we
were leaving very soon so we toughed it out. But, that was awful.

We seem to have found a neighborhood that not only caters to our children,
but is protective of our family. We have only one entrance into the
neighborhood, we are all very vigilant. Luckily around the corner is our
fire department, ambulance and police sub-station. We have the benefit of
the main road nearest us frequently being perched by the motorcycle cops as
people come into town and hit the speed drop. Yea, nobody wants to be a
stand out around here. They get noticed.

Cindi


>
> kili
>

"kilikini" > wrote in
:


>
> We get noticed just by our skin color. We're the brightest of the
> bunch. LOL. I'm just tired of the drive-thru service by our
> neighbors. And they walk around with baggies in their hands like it's
> nothing! The police tell us they've got a sting operation going on,
> but these folks will move out before they get busted. It happens
> consistently. We're really tired of it. This used to be a nice, quiet
> neighborhood (Mayberryish, so-to-speak), no need to lock your doors,
> now you need a shotgun by you at all times. It's really sad.
>


That sucks :-/


Sounds like a good training ground for a deployment to Afghanistan/Iraq.



--
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Brisbane
Australia

You will travel through the valley of rejection;
you will reside in the land of morning mists...and you will find your home,
though it will not be where you left it.

"kilikini" > wrote in message
...
> Cindi - HappyMamatoThree wrote:
>> "kilikini" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i suspect most crack dealers have no problems with marketing.
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> I don't know, let me ask my neighbors. :-(
>>
>> Oh so very sorry. God, that is one of the best things about our move
>> from Mississippi. We had a house across the street that was busted.
>> We knew we were leaving very soon so we toughed it out. But, that was
>> awful.
>> We seem to have found a neighborhood that not only caters to our
>> children, but is protective of our family. We have only one entrance
>> into the neighborhood, we are all very vigilant. Luckily around the
>> corner is our fire department, ambulance and police sub-station. We
>> have the benefit of the main road nearest us frequently being perched
>> by the motorcycle cops as people come into town and hit the speed
>> drop. Yea, nobody wants to be a stand out around here. They get
>> noticed.
>> Cindi
>
> We get noticed just by our skin color. We're the brightest of the bunch.
> LOL. I'm just tired of the drive-thru service by our neighbors. And they
> walk around with baggies in their hands like it's nothing! The police
> tell us they've got a sting operation going on, but these folks will move
> out before they get busted. It happens consistently. We're really tired
> of it. This used to be a nice, quiet neighborhood (Mayberryish,
> so-to-speak), no need to lock your doors, now you need a shotgun by you at
> all times. It's really sad.

I live in a very multi-cultural .... ok, bi-cultural (LOL!) neighborhood.
Pity the fool (I said PITY the fool!) who messes with me. My neighbor once
confronted 3 strapping young men who were climbing my fence (to get into the
backyard) at midnight. I was in New Zealand at the time, but my then 85-ish
year old grandmother was sleeping soundly in the house. The young men
claimed to know me. Neighbor told 'em to get moving or else. They got
moving. That's not the only time he and my other Mexican/Mexican-American
neighbors have come to my aid/defense.

Living in a place where people look out for each other and don't tolerate
drug/gang BS is a fine thing. I recommend it. Not preaching. Just sayin'.

TammyM

ObFood: globe eggplant (aubergine) sauteed in olive oil until almost done,
handful of grape tomatos (halved) thrown in until juice starts to flow, then
another 3 handfuls of spinach leaves cooked until wilted. A hefty dose of
Penzeys Trinidad seasoning and some feta cheese tossed in until the cheese
just starts to soften. OH. YUM.

"TammyM" wrote

> I live in a very multi-cultural .... ok, bi-cultural (LOL!) neighborhood.
> Pity the fool (I said PITY the fool!) who messes with me. My neighbor
> once confronted 3 strapping young men who were climbing my fence (to get
> into the backyard) at midnight. I was in New Zealand at the time, but my
> then 85-ish year old grandmother was sleeping soundly in the house. The
> young men claimed to know me. Neighbor told 'em to get moving or else.
> They got moving. That's not the only time he and my other
> Mexican/Mexican-American neighbors have come to my aid/defense.

I too live in a very mixed neighborhood. Good people all around me. The
worst of the lot were unfortunately my own renters!

> Living in a place where people look out for each other and don't tolerate
> drug/gang BS is a fine thing. I recommend it. Not preaching. Just
> sayin'.

My neighborhood is probably 50% military or retired military. They do not
put up with stuff like that. Meantime, I'm still cleaning out the #%!#%
from the renters. I have a small pot garden going for example we just
identified. Don pulled it all out this morning. They must have dropped
seeds back there which germinated this spring. The local VB Police fellow
who lives across the street confirmed what it was and took it in baggies
away for us (so we won't get in trouble just tossing it in the trash or
burning it). He said he thinks round-up will kill it if it comes back. If
not, I'm gonna dump vinegar all over that area. The grass can come back
later.

jmcquown wrote:
> enigma wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> I see that the supermarket chains around here are offering
>>>> a 10% bonus if you spend part of your stimulus check
>>>> there.
>>> How would they know you were spending it there?
>>>
>>> The entire point of "stimulus checks" is to get you to
>>> spend. DON'T. Invest the money and let the economy
>>> stabilize. Don't run out and buy a car, fer cryin out
>>> loud!
>> with $600? heh
>>
>> lee
>
> Obviously not, silly. But they want you to run out and spend that
> "stimulus", like that's going to help anyone do anything but get into debt.
> Sheesh.
>
>

How would receiving a check get anyone into debt? Since you have to
have an income you must be jealous.

"cshenk" > wrote in
:

> He said he thinks round-up will kill
> it if it comes back. If not, I'm gonna dump vinegar all
> over that area. The grass can come back later.

there's not much Round-Up won't kill...
but pot is just a weed. if you pulled it up, that's it. it
doesn't spread by roots or runners & it's an annual.
oh, & vinegar needs to be a bit higher in acidity than
grocery store stuff to do damage to weeds. 4-5% acidity just
browns the edges a little.

lee
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Nancy Young wrote:

>> I looked at 'stimulus check' and thought, someones got to check to see
>> if you're alive!! :-)
>
> Haha, you're right. Like a terribly personal exam.

LOL, we call that the "trauma handshake"... Hello!
Almost all trauma patients have to suffer that indignity early in their
assessment as we're determining potential spinal cord injury.
I usually mumble something about "I can see you've never been in jail
before..."

On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:58:21 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 May 2008 21:56:55 -0700, wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 May 2008 12:51:55 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>OK. Another question. How do you spend 'part' of your stimulus check at a
>>>particular store? i.e. Say I get a sent check for $600 (or whatever) and I
>>>only want to use $300 of it at a particular store, what then?
>>
>> Cash the check and spread it around, just like any other rebate.
>>
>> Mine went into a (modern design) 18 carat gold ring with a small, but
>> sparkly, diamond. It was money well spent.
>

><donning flak-jacket>

I read ahead and that was a very good move, young lady.

>
>I see. At least your esteemed President Bush was useful for something
><grin>

Nope. Bush is only good for putting us into generational debt. I
didn't buy my ring based on that piddly amount. I bought it last week
and didn't think about rebate money until this thread started.

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Goomba38 > wrote in
:

> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I looked at 'stimulus check' and thought, someones got to check to
see
>>> if you're alive!! :-)
>>
>> Haha, you're right. Like a terribly personal exam.
>
> LOL, we call that the "trauma handshake"... Hello!
> Almost all trauma patients have to suffer that indignity early in
their
> assessment as we're determining potential spinal cord injury.
> I usually mumble something about "I can see you've never been in jail
> before..."
>



Ummmmm, I think you've got the wrong side!! :-)


But just for the record, if I ever have a car crash while in the States,
what hospital do you work at??
I'd prefer to avoid any rear end intrusion!!

(I have a tattoo back there that says "Exit only" :-)


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Brisbane
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you will reside in the land of morning mists...and you will find your
home,
though it will not be where you left it.

"DK" > wrote in message
>> Obviously not, silly. But they want you to run out and spend that
>> "stimulus", like that's going to help anyone do anything but get into
>> debt.
>> Sheesh.
>>
>>
>
> How would receiving a check get anyone into debt? Since you have to have
> an income you must be jealous.
>

Actually, it will get some people into debt. I have a $1200 check so lets
get that $3000 TV.

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in
:

>
> "DK" > wrote in message
>>
>> How would receiving a check get anyone into debt? Since
>> you have to have an income you must be jealous.
>
> Actually, it will get some people into debt. I have a
> $1200 check so lets get that $3000 TV.

while ignoring the $5000 in credit card debt at 31% interest
they already have...

i just bought another house... that should stimulate my local
economy some
it's a tiny 2 bedroom converted summer camp on 2 acres that
abuts my back corner & wetlands. the (late) previous owner
kept having hissy fits over beavers building a dam in the
wetlands & getting water in her basement. my reply was "what
fool builds a basement in infilled wetlands?"
anyway, it cost me 80k in an area where trailers in parks go
for 120-130k, & it's worth it to me to not have anyone bitch
about the beaver dam. i'll put in an exterior heat pump
furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD
burn it down for practice... haven't decided yet. i can use
the lot for a fruit orchard. lots of sun & handy water...

lee
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"enigma" wrote

> furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
> make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD

Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
serious. There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
a bundle to adapt a place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
dwelling, but check to be sure first.

cshenk wrote:
> "enigma" wrote
>
>> furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
>> make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD
>
> Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
> serious. There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
> disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
> a bundle to adapt a place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
> dwelling, but check to be sure first.

And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you either, which of
course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but has to be said.

On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:50:01 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote:

>cshenk wrote:
>> "enigma" wrote
>>
>>> furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
>>> make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD
>>
>> Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
>> serious. There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
>> disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
>> a bundle to adapt a place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
>> dwelling, but check to be sure first.
>
>And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you either, which of
>course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but has to be said.

*Don't* do section 8. My neighbor did that. The woman had her early
elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
underneath my bedroom window). Fortunately, they had a good social
worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. She has a
"perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.

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"sf" <.> wrote in message
>
> *Don't* do section 8. My neighbor did that. The woman had her early
> elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
> Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
> outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
> underneath my bedroom window). Fortunately, they had a good social
> worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. She has a
> "perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.

Over the years I've often thought of buying rental properties as an
investment. Then I see the troubles that come up and it brings me to my
senses. Lots of idiots out there and many deadbeat idiots too.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "sf" <.> wrote in message
>> *Don't* do section 8. My neighbor did that. The woman had her early
>> elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
>> Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
>> outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
>> underneath my bedroom window). Fortunately, they had a good social
>> worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. She has a
>> "perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.
>
> Over the years I've often thought of buying rental properties as an
> investment. Then I see the troubles that come up and it brings me to my
> senses. Lots of idiots out there and many deadbeat idiots too.
>
>
I made that mistake many years ago and became a "slum lord" for about
two years. Never, ever, again, too many headaches. Had one family left
in the middle of the night and took the carpet, all the appliances, even
the toilets and the bathtub. Took a month to find them and then put them
in jail. No, no, not ever again.

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote

> Over the years I've often thought of buying rental properties as an
> investment. Then I see the troubles that come up and it brings me to my
> senses. Lots of idiots out there and many deadbeat idiots too.

My ex-inlaws owned a few small apartment buildings. From what
I could tell, they had good tenants. But every weekend we were
over there fixing some stupid thing or another, I swore I'd never
be a landlord if I could help it. What a hassle. The light bulb in
the hallway is out, the kitchen sink is backed up, it was always
something. Not for me.

Forget if you have problem tenants. That's a whole 'nother can of
worms.

nancy

Goomba38 > wrote in
:

> cshenk wrote:
>> "enigma" wrote
>>
>>> furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it
>>> out(maybe make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the
>>> local volunteer FD
>>
>> Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing
>> if you were serious. There are some aspects of it dealing
>> with a tenant with disabilities (and you have no option to
>> not rent to them) that can cost you a bundle to adapt a
>> place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
>> dwelling, but check to be sure first.
>
> And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you
> either, which of course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but
> has to be said.

good. then maybe they'd move out & i can add *their*
house/lot back to mine >
the other set of neighbors is a mile from these two houses on
the other side of my property. of course, i've been
threatening putting pigs in the newly logged section next to
their property line... (seriously though, it's more likely to
be planted to nut trees).
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "DK" > wrote in message
>>> Obviously not, silly. But they want you to run out and spend that
>>> "stimulus", like that's going to help anyone do anything but get into
>>> debt.
>>> Sheesh.
>>>
>>>
>> How would receiving a check get anyone into debt? Since you have to have
>> an income you must be jealous.
>>
>
> Actually, it will get some people into debt. I have a $1200 check so lets
> get that $3000 TV.
>
>

That would mean you have a problem budgeting yourself and you would have
the same problem every time you received your paycheck.

sf <.> wrote in
:

> On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:50:01 -0400, Goomba38
> > wrote:
>
>>cshenk wrote:
>>> "enigma" wrote
>>>
>>>> furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it
>>>> out(maybe make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the
>>>> local volunteer FD
>>>
>>> Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing
>>> if you were serious. There are some aspects of it
>>> dealing with a tenant with disabilities (and you have no
>>> option to not rent to them) that can cost you a bundle to
>>> adapt a place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
>>> dwelling, but check to be sure first.
>>
>>And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you
>>either, which of course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but
>>has to be said.
>
> *Don't* do section 8. My neighbor did that. The woman had
> her early elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights
> and I got to listen to Mom talk on the phone at all hours
> of the night because she smoked outside and yakked when
> smoking (not loud, but it was practically underneath my
> bedroom window). Fortunately, they had a good social
> worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. She
> has a "perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's
> list.

they're nowhere near my house. i have 62 acres (well, 64
now). i don't care if they drive the house next to them buggy
(which i've heard wouldn't be very hard to do), because i want
to buy that one too.
i actually intended it for my older brother to live in, but
he's not sure he wants to live so far out from where his
doctor is. no biggie. i have a housemate i'd be more than
happy to boot over there so i can have my parlor back. he'd
still be close enough to take care of the livestock when we're
away

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"DK" > wrote in message
...
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "DK" > wrote in message
>>>> Obviously not, silly. But they want you to run out and spend that
>>>> "stimulus", like that's going to help anyone do anything but get into
>>>> debt.
>>>> Sheesh.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> How would receiving a check get anyone into debt? Since you have to
>>> have an income you must be jealous.
>>>
>>
>> Actually, it will get some people into debt. I have a $1200 check so
>> lets get that $3000 TV.
>
> That would mean you have a problem budgeting yourself and you would have
> the same problem every time you received your paycheck.
>

And many people do exactly that.

On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:05:07 -0400, "cshenk" > wrote:

>"enigma" wrote
>
>> furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
>> make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD
>
>Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
>serious. There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
>disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
>a bundle to adapt a place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
>dwelling, but check to be sure first.
>

it will certainly have to be up to code, but i'm not sure if it *must*
be handicapped-friendly. (there may be some kind of grandfather
clause.) but do check it out before turning the fire dept. loose on
it - most housing authorities badly need the units.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 10 May 2008 11:12:30 -0700, sf <.> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:50:01 -0400, Goomba38 >
>wrote:
>
>>cshenk wrote:
>>> "enigma" wrote
>>>
>>>> furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
>>>> make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD
>>>
>>> Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
>>> serious. There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
>>> disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
>>> a bundle to adapt a place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
>>> dwelling, but check to be sure first.
>>
>>And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you either, which of
>>course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but has to be said.
>
>*Don't* do section 8. My neighbor did that. The woman had her early
>elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
>Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
>outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
>underneath my bedroom window). Fortunately, they had a good social
>worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. She has a
>"perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.

section 8 renters are like any other group - some good, some bad.
lee, don't succumb to fear of poor people.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" wrote

> section 8 renters are like any other group - some good, some bad.
> lee, don't succumb to fear of poor people.

True, but I still advise checking the rules carefully. You as the owner are
more limited in several ways if you go that route. In the interests of
'protecting the tenants from evil owners' they've added some extra rules
that can be both expensive on the owner, and difficult. Apparently
terminating a lease with a bad section8 tenant can be very difficult.

Had a problem once long ago related. Mixed housing, some was section 8 (not
sure if they still mix them like that or not). Critically, the apartment
next to me. Hard of Hearing section 8 fellow. Would run TV, Stereo,
everything full blast. Problem was I worked nights and he couldnt be
required to tone it down during the day? I moved to another apartment in
the same complex. That previous unit stayed unrented or short term (like 2
weeks) only until a year later he converted it to section 8 as well, then
the fur started to fly. Perfectly decent family of 3 who were on hard times
with a new baby. The noise-maker was moved to another complex. He wasnt a
bad person, but he didnt belong in other than a single dwelling. I remember
a bunch of us helping him move. My *impression* was that the owner was
responsible for his cost of moving (due to the circumstances) so a bunch of
us teamed up to do it with a rental U-haul the owner had gotten for the day.
Maybe the owner was just being nice though.

Were the section 8 tenants good ones? Normally yes. But you got some
severe oddballs as well like the guy who went around with twists of tin foil
in his ears and had a shrine in his house to okra (I kid you not). It would
have been funny except he was very scarey and pretty sure he was dangerous.
They couldnt get rid of him either for a long time. Section 8 disability
under mental instability clauses. He had to actually be caught doing
something dangerous apparently, for them to get rid of him. Dunno, I moved
to Hawaii before that happened.

I don't know if the rules have changed, but it would be smart to check
first. My impressions were once you went section8, you didnt have the same
options to pick and choose your tenants much.

cshenk wrote:
> "blake murphy" wrote
>
>> section 8 renters are like any other group - some good, some bad.
>> lee, don't succumb to fear of poor people.
>
> True, but I still advise checking the rules carefully. You as the owner are
> more limited in several ways if you go that route. In the interests of
> 'protecting the tenants from evil owners' they've added some extra rules
> that can be both expensive on the owner, and difficult. Apparently
> terminating a lease with a bad section8 tenant can be very difficult.

I have no clue about section 8 laws, but different states are more or
less landlord friendly. The townhouses we rented out in Virginia Beach
were a PITA to deal with when tenants didn't pay their rent or trashed
the place. It was shocking to me how so many who don't feel any
responsibility or ownership for a place could live like pigs and not
feel any shame about the damage they caused! Virginia was far too
generous with time the tenant could be a slug, unlike Georgia which is
more landlord friendly.

Goomba38 wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
> > "enigma" wrote
>
> >> furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
> >> make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD
>
> > Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
> > serious. *There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
> > disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
> > a bundle to adapt a place. *Might not be a problem with a single unit
> > dwelling, but check to be sure first.
>
> And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you either, which of
> course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but has to be said.


Lemme tell ya, Section 8 tenants are BAD NEWS...you DO NOT want to
"rent" to someone who is too poor and lazy too even afford to pay rent
at local market rates...

Here in Chicawgo the Housing Authority has torn down a lot of the
ghetto high - rises (the most infamous being Cabrini - Green) and
replaced them with "mixed income" housing. These are nice units,
primarily of the town house variety. Some are sold at market rates,
others are rented out to the former ghetto tenants via Section 8.
Those that have paid market rates for their units have nothing but
complaints about the trashy Section 8 renters, they are trashy, dirty,
deal drugs, etc...and they bring down the values of the surrounding
properties.


Look at a Section 8 tenant and you'll see NOTHING but TROUBLE...and
it's very, VERY difficult to take action against them, almost
impossible to evict them, even for non - payment of even the paltry
rent that they pay. Section 8 tenants are deadbeats, pure and
simple...


There *are* folks who are need in low - cost housing, e.g. those with
disabilities, some seniors, etc. But there is no reason for an able -
bodied person of working age to suck off the welfare teat for
something like the Section 8 program...


--
Best
Greg

sf wrote:

> On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:50:01 -0400, Goomba38 >
> wrote:
>
> >cshenk wrote:
> >> "enigma" wrote
>
> >>> furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
> >>> make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD
>
> >> Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
> >> serious. *There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
> >> disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
> >> a bundle to adapt a place. *Might not be a problem with a single unit
> >> dwelling, but check to be sure first.
>
> >And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you either, which of
> >course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but has to be said.
>
> *Don't* do section 8. *My neighbor did that. *The woman had her early
> elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
> Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
> outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
> underneath my bedroom window). *Fortunately, they had a good social
> worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. *She has a
> "perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.


Yep, these days about the only people that qualify for Section 8
vouchers are "families", e.g. single women with numerous ankle -
biters...they'll more often than not have a large "extended" family
living with them, e.g. various "cousins", boyfriends, etc. All *very*
bad news...

Most landlords will not participate in the Section 8 program, it's a
gigantor PITA on all accounts...decent neighborhoods don't want
Section 8 trash, either.


--
Best
Greg

blake murphy wrote:

> On Sat, 10 May 2008 11:12:30 -0700, sf <.> wrote:
> >On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:50:01 -0400, Goomba38 >
> >wrote:
>
> >>cshenk wrote:
> >>> "enigma" wrote
>
> >>>> furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
> >>>> make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD
>
> >>> Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
> >>> serious. *There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
> >>> disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
> >>> a bundle to adapt a place. *Might not be a problem with a single unit
> >>> dwelling, but check to be sure first.
>
> >>And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you either, which of
> >>course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but has to be said.
>
> >*Don't* do section 8. *My neighbor did that. *The woman had her early
> >elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
> >Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
> >outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
> >underneath my bedroom window). *Fortunately, they had a good social
> >worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. *She has a
> >"perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.
>
> section 8 renters are like any other group - some good, some bad.
> lee, don't succumb to fear of poor people.


So why not put your money where your mouth is and move to some DC
ghetto paradise like Anacostia, dumbass...instead you pontificate from
your nice white DC collar suburb. Typical LIEberal bullshitter,
lol...

No one in their right mind would *choose* to be poor, much less *live*
amongst poor people...

Sheesh...


--
Best
Greg

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "DK" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "DK" > wrote in message
>>>>> Obviously not, silly. But they want you to run out and spend that
>>>>> "stimulus", like that's going to help anyone do anything but get into
>>>>> debt.
>>>>> Sheesh.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> How would receiving a check get anyone into debt? Since you have to
>>>> have an income you must be jealous.
>>>>
>>> Actually, it will get some people into debt. I have a $1200 check so
>>> lets get that $3000 TV.
>> That would mean you have a problem budgeting yourself and you would have
>> the same problem every time you received your paycheck.
>>
>
> And many people do exactly that.
>
>

So they should employ an idiot filter to skip the morons who are too
stupid to spend wisely?

-dk

On Thu, 08 May 2008 21:56:55 -0700, sf <.> fired up random neurons and
synapses to opine:

>Cash the check and spread it around, just like any other rebate.
>
>Mine went into a (modern design) 18 carat gold ring with a small, but
>sparkly, diamond. It was money well spent.

Hold the phone! Not everyone gets one of these idiotic "stimulus
checks." The DH and I certainly don't, so even TIIC (this would be
our 110th Congress and that imbecile who is the Decider in Chief)
recognized that it would be really bad press if they handed out
"stimulus checks" to taxpayers with (married filing jointly) $150,000
plus incomes. The last round of tax breaks certainly didn't go to
those who needed them, but that wasn't right before an election cycle.
TIIC count on the American people to have a very fuzzy collective
memory, AFAICS.

And I can't believe even the chowderheads in Congress and the White
House really believe that these "stimulus checks" are going to keep
what appears to be a long-haul recession from happening. If a
taxpayer really needs that check, he/she is going to pay some bills
with it...or he/she can become a client of some of my husband's
brethern. They're bankruptcy lawyers.

And I don't find it that much of a coincidence that what the
bankruptcy community (which includes judges, law professors, the DH
and his brethern) call the Credit Card Relief Act of 2005 is a
draconian measure that pretty much ensures that lenders, in particular
credit card companies, can chase a debtor damned near into the after
life. Hugely more complex than that, of course, but coupled with the
sub-prime mortgage meltdown, housing skid (particularly here in
SoCal), and the ripple effect from that (construction, suppliers,
vendors, etc.), the pandering our elected chowderheads did for the
credit card companies is shameful and the result should have been
predictible. And who are the bankruptcy bailouts that *really* are
'spensive, Loosey? Big Business. Oh, wait! Those are the guys with the
lobbyists, not the poor slob who lost his job after his wife died of a
lingering illness that tapped out every resource he had. And, by and
large, most people who filed for bankruptcy pre-Oct. 15, 2005 (other
than those who were just trying to "save the date," as it were)
weren't wallowing in self-indulgent, irresponsible credit card debt,
but had had a major life change that became catastrophic or
insupportable.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...qHw&refer=home

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060101.htm

(And the DH doesn't do consumer bankruptcies. Never did, but you can
be damned sure we pay off our credit cards each and every month. And
you know what the credit card companies call people who never incur
finance charges? "Deadbeats.")

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
--
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

"DK" > wrote in message
>>
>
> So they should employ an idiot filter to skip the morons who are too
> stupid to spend wisely?
>
> -dk

Personally, I don't give a crap about them. They got themselves into
trouble, they can figure a way out if they wish to. It is not a poor versus
rich argument either as people with very large incomes can still spend more
than they make while others of modest means survive with what they have.

On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:49:39 -0400, DK >
wrote:

>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "DK" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> "DK" > wrote in message
>>>>>> Obviously not, silly. But they want you to run out and spend that
>>>>>> "stimulus", like that's going to help anyone do anything but get into
>>>>>> debt.
>>>>>> Sheesh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> How would receiving a check get anyone into debt? Since you have to
>>>>> have an income you must be jealous.
>>>>>
>>>> Actually, it will get some people into debt. I have a $1200 check so
>>>> lets get that $3000 TV.
>>> That would mean you have a problem budgeting yourself and you would have
>>> the same problem every time you received your paycheck.
>>>
>>
>> And many people do exactly that.
>>
>>
>
>So they should employ an idiot filter to skip the morons who are too
>stupid to spend wisely?
>
>-dk

i don't think they can legally exclude bush voters.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:55:12 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:
>
>And I don't find it that much of a coincidence that what the
>bankruptcy community (which includes judges, law professors, the DH
>and his brethern) call the Credit Card Relief Act of 2005 is a
>draconian measure that pretty much ensures that lenders, in particular
>credit card companies, can chase a debtor damned near into the after
>life. Hugely more complex than that, of course, but coupled with the
>sub-prime mortgage meltdown, housing skid (particularly here in
>SoCal), and the ripple effect from that (construction, suppliers,
>vendors, etc.), the pandering our elected chowderheads did for the
>credit card companies is shameful and the result should have been
>predictible. And who are the bankruptcy bailouts that *really* are
>'spensive, Loosey? Big Business. Oh, wait! Those are the guys with the
>lobbyists, not the poor slob who lost his job after his wife died of a
>lingering illness that tapped out every resource he had. And, by and
>large, most people who filed for bankruptcy pre-Oct. 15, 2005 (other
>than those who were just trying to "save the date," as it were)
>weren't wallowing in self-indulgent, irresponsible credit card debt,
>but had had a major life change that became catastrophic or
>insupportable.
>
>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...qHw&refer=home
>
>http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20060101.htm
>

that legislation was truly an atrocity. no medical expenses
exemption? no, don't want to mollycoddle deadbeats.

any democrat who voted for it should be hounded from office. i'm
looking at you, joe biden.

(obama voted no; clinton didn't vote; mccain voted yea. but then, no
republican senator voted against. surprise, surprise!)

you yellow-dog pal,
blake