Gregory Morrow > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> I posted it because I am interested in the U.S.'s image around
>> the world, and it seems the current administration has found
>> yet another way to offend just about everybody.

>NOBODY cares what a bunch of anti - US pukes think, Steve...you are
>simply being naive. Many foreigners would loathe us whatever we
>do...even if we fed, clothed, and housed them. Which we've done for
>many around the world. We are the *most* generous country in the
>world when it comes to helping out others with food or whatever aid...

>[And that INCLUDES military aid, especially the "nuclear umbrella" and
>our on - the - ground troop presence that we've provided for our
>allies since WWII...that is a HUGE cost and contributes to peace,
>stability, and prosperity too...ask someone in South Korea or the
>former West Germany...]

Yeah, I've lived abroad, I've traveled abroad and I can tell
you in the past 40 years there has been a steady decline in affection
for Americans, including a particularly steep drop in the last few.
It is definitely not of case of "they'll hate us no matter what".
Nowhere close to that.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:

> Yeah, I've lived abroad, I've traveled abroad and I can tell
> you in the past 40 years there has been a steady decline in affection
> for Americans, including a particularly steep drop in the last few.
> It is definitely not of case of "they'll hate us no matter what".
> Nowhere close to that.
>
> Steve

One apparently reason is that younger European generations don't have
first hand memories of the time American's stepped in during WW2 and
helped them during or after the war.

Goomba38 > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> Yeah, I've lived abroad, I've traveled abroad and I can tell
>> you in the past 40 years there has been a steady decline in affection
>> for Americans, including a particularly steep drop in the last few.
>> It is definitely not of case of "they'll hate us no matter what".
>> Nowhere close to that.

>One apparently reason is that younger European generations don't have
>first hand memories of the time American's stepped in during WW2 and
>helped them during or after the war.

I'm sure that's part of it.

Steve

"Goomba38" > ha scritto nel messaggio
. ..
> Steve Pope wrote:

> One apparently reason is that younger European generations don't have
> first hand memories of the time American's stepped in during WW2 and
> helped them during or after the war.

Of course they don't, and they do not out of hand hate Americans, either.
What they decry is arrogance, insensitivity and lack of understanding of the
basic laws of nature. The more people say **** 'em about dying populations,
the more there is to resent.

I think some here should look up generosity indexes that tell per person of
population figures. You might be surprised-- or I might.

Giusi wrote:

> Of course they don't, and they do not out of hand hate Americans, either.
> What they decry is arrogance, insensitivity and lack of understanding of the
> basic laws of nature. The more people say **** 'em about dying populations,
> the more there is to resent.
>
> I think some here should look up generosity indexes that tell per person of
> population figures. You might be surprised-- or I might.
>
>
No, it wouldn't surprise me at all. Having lived in Europe I recall
generosity and the per capita figures are quite high <higher than the US
in some ways> yet then I also recall areas of total lack of individual
as well as organizational financial support (such as towards cancer
research... nothing like the American Cancer Society there)

Which dying population are "we" saying "****'em" about, again??

"Goomba38" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> Giusi wrote:
>
>> Of course they don't, and they do not out of hand hate Americans, either.
>> What they decry is arrogance, insensitivity and lack of understanding of
>> the basic laws of nature. The more people say **** 'em about dying
>> populations, the more there is to resent.
>>
>> I think some here should look up generosity indexes that tell per person
>> of population figures. You might be surprised-- or I might.
> No, it wouldn't surprise me at all. Having lived in Europe I recall
> generosity and the per capita figures are quite high <higher than the US
> in some ways> yet then I also recall areas of total lack of individual as
> well as organizational financial support (such as towards cancer
> research... nothing like the American Cancer Society there)
>
> Which dying population are "we" saying "****'em" about, again??

I think Indians were mentioned. But tomorrow it may be Africans, or Burmese
or whatever, because the issue is Americans doing something about waste and
greed because we know resources are finite. And let me point out again that
I am an American citizen.

I don't know about other countries, but in Italy various things are funded
all the time with a combination of TV appeals, phone vote charges given to
charity, telethons, sales of seasonal things in the piazze, church
collections, and besides that Italians pay high taxes to fund relief for
people inside and outside Italy. If you fall off a curb and break your
ankle, your emergency care will be free, paid for by Italians. Mobile
hospitals get airlifted in instantly when there are world disasters.

I have hundreds of opportunities to give in small ways all the time here.
When it is 50 centesimi you hardly notice it.

On Thu, 15 May 2008 08:55:50 -0400, Goomba38 >
wrote:

>Giusi wrote:
>
>> Of course they don't, and they do not out of hand hate Americans, either.
>> What they decry is arrogance, insensitivity and lack of understanding of the
>> basic laws of nature. The more people say **** 'em about dying populations,
>> the more there is to resent.
>>
>> I think some here should look up generosity indexes that tell per person of
>> population figures. You might be surprised-- or I might.
>>
>>
>No, it wouldn't surprise me at all. Having lived in Europe I recall
>generosity and the per capita figures are quite high <higher than the US
>in some ways> yet then I also recall areas of total lack of individual
>as well as organizational financial support (such as towards cancer
>research... nothing like the American Cancer Society there)
>
>Which dying population are "we" saying "****'em" about, again??

i think pretty much all of them.

your pal,
blake

And the amount of money they had to pay the US.

It was only recently (maybe the last few years) that the UK finished paying
off the dept to the US, with an enormous amount of interest. Still, not
important, just food for thought.


"Goomba38" > wrote in message
. ..

> One apparently reason is that younger European generations don't have
> first hand memories of the time American's stepped in during WW2 and
> helped them during or after the war.

Ali wrote:
> And the amount of money they had to pay the US.
>
> It was only recently (maybe the last few years) that the UK finished
> paying off the dept to the US, with an enormous amount of interest.
> Still, not important, just food for thought.
>
>
> "Goomba38" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>> One apparently reason is that younger European generations don't have
>> first hand memories of the time American's stepped in during WW2 and
>> helped them during or after the war.
>
The lend lease from the US was stopped in September, 1945. The loan that
was paid off in December, 2006 was for lend lease materials still in
transit or on hand at that time. Something over 1 billion pounds was
involved and the loan was for fifty years at 2% interest per annum. The
House of Lords and the Commons both thought it was a good deal so final
payment was delayed by six years whenever the pound rose much higher
than the US dollar. All of this information is found on the web easily
and it was not at an exorbitant interest rate.

IMHO most young Brits don't even know about the last loan, at least the
ones I worked with for several years didn't.

The UK was not the only recipient of US Lend Lease, Soviet Union,
Republic of China, and numerous others were also involved. Many of whom
never repaid a cent. The Brits were honest in their dealings and so was
the US. One man's opinion based on written history, take it or leave it.