There used to be a tiny corner place around 7th and Race that had the best
cheesesteaks sans cheese-whiz ("Whiz" up north here, means ****), as well as
some fantastic cheeseburgers because of the way they grilled their onions.
The closest I have been able to copy has been using paprika with the onions
and olive oil on a griddle, cooked transparent slow.

Buddy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> MareCat said...
>
> > "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> >>
> >> The way my Sis-in-law (born and raised in Philly) described it to me is
> >> that Philadelphians are basically divided into two camps when it comes
> >> to the better cheesesteak. She served me my first two (in one sitting)
> >> American cheesesteaks. I've rarely crossed the line since then. Cheez
> >> Whiz just adds a more salty taste, imho.
> >>
> >> You take quality meat, a fresh Italian roll and fried onions then apply
> >> over-processed Cheez Whiz to it? There's the joke/sadness/crime of it,
> >> imho.
> >
> > OK, so we're in agreement then.
>
>
> Yeppers!!!
>
>
>
> >> One rule that's universally agreed upon is a good cheesesteak doesn't
> >> need ketchup, only dry ones, which should be returned for a refund
> >> instead.
> >
> > Ugggghhhhh--KETCHUP??? Nooooooooo!
>
>
> When the Sis-in-law saw me reaching for the ketchup (what did I know?) she
> about broke my arm.
>
>
>
>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Andy
> >> Has never finished a Pat's or Geno's cheesesteak.
> >
> > The only time I've ever had a Pat's cheesesteak was at the Reading
> > Terminal
> > Market. Yuck! Dry and not much meat/cheese.
> >
> > Mary
>
>
> Ricks at RTM, a family member of Pats. He's another "crank 'em out and
grab
> their money" grubbing cheesteak shop like Geno's and Pat's, imho.
>
> Find a restaurant that does more than cheesesteaks and 9x out of 10 you'll
> get a better cheesesteak. Jim's being the exception. And you can have a
> beer there!
>
> Andy

Buddy said...

> There used to be a tiny corner place around 7th and Race that had the
> best cheesesteaks sans cheese-whiz ("Whiz" up north here, means ****),
> as well as some fantastic cheeseburgers because of the way they grilled
> their onions. The closest I have been able to copy has been using
> paprika with the onions and olive oil on a griddle, cooked transparent
> slow.
>
> Buddy


Buddy,

There are so many great cheesesteak places in and around Philly, they
should force Pat's and Geno's to close! They have there place in history
and the city's fondness for the memories but it's gotten old and tasteless.
And I've only lived here for... ? 16 years.

If you remembered the name of the place on 7th and Race I'd give it a try!

I also appreciate a good burger but can't outright recommend a place in
Philly.

I had a homemade buffalo burger bloody rare open faced on a toasted waffle
topped with a slice of provolone for breakfast that was pretty darn
excellent, imho.

A mild gout aggravation but so worth it!

Best,

Andy

blake murphy said...

> On Tue, 27 May 2008 09:18:20 -0400, "Zeppo" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"MareCat" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>
>>>
>>> When my college boyfriend and I spent a week in '87 at Seaside
>>> Heights, NJ, one of the most vivid memories I have was the
>>> "Steak'um"-style cheesesteaks (with Cheez Whiz) that we saw for sale
>>> all along the boardwalk. Seemed like every single place that sold
>>> cheesesteaks there prepared 'em like that.
>>>
>>> Mary
>>
>>The only place that you would 'ever' see cheeze-whiz on a steak sandwich
>>in Philly was at Pat's (or Geno's across the street from Pats). Pat's
>>didn't become popular because the steaks were so wonderful, they became
>>popular because they were open all night, and all the queens, freaks,
>>hookers, cops, local celebrities, teenagers and tourists lent quite a
>>carnival atmosphere. A really fun place to hang out at 4am after a night
>>of partying, or working the night shift.
>>
>>Jon
>>
>
> i don't think pat's and geno's are the only places to serve cheez
> whiz. if so, i don't think everyone would have heard about it. what
> makes you think this?
>
> your pal,
> blake


blake,

Do YOU live in Philly? If so where's your choice of cheesesteaks that you'd
rate a 10?

Andy

MareCat wrote:
> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
>> I had a cheesesteak in Margate, NJ (Maynard's (?) on the bay side) and it
>> was an entirely different beast! Of course I finished it, not wanting to
>> embarrass my ego. It was really awful! Probably why I don't like New
>> Jersey
>> food 'cept for salt water taffy.
>>
>> That hot dog picture you posted a year or so ago just reconvinced me to
>> not
>> eat Jersey.
>>
>> See what happens when you cross the river over to Jersey?
>
> When my college boyfriend and I spent a week in '87 at Seaside Heights, NJ,
> one of the most vivid memories I have was the "Steak'um"-style cheesesteaks
> (with Cheez Whiz) that we saw for sale all along the boardwalk. Seemed like
> every single place that sold cheesesteaks there prepared 'em like that.
>
> Mary
>
>
You should have tried the pizza. Seaside had the best Sicilian pizza.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
...
> MareCat wrote:
>>
>> When my college boyfriend and I spent a week in '87 at Seaside Heights,
>> NJ, one of the most vivid memories I have was the "Steak'um"-style
>> cheesesteaks (with Cheez Whiz) that we saw for sale all along the
>> boardwalk. Seemed like every single place that sold cheesesteaks there
>> prepared 'em like that.
>>
>> Mary
> You should have tried the pizza. Seaside had the best Sicilian pizza.

Guess I didn't try the best pizza places there then, because the pizza I had
was just *OK*, IMO. Didn't try any Sicilian-style, though.

Mary

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Tue, 27 May 2008 09:18:20 -0400, "Zeppo" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"MareCat" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>
> >>
> >> When my college boyfriend and I spent a week in '87 at Seaside Heights,
> >> NJ, one of the most vivid memories I have was the "Steak'um"-style
> >> cheesesteaks (with Cheez Whiz) that we saw for sale all along the
> >> boardwalk. Seemed like every single place that sold cheesesteaks there
> >> prepared 'em like that.
> >>
> >> Mary
> >
> >The only place that you would 'ever' see cheeze-whiz on a steak sandwich in
> >Philly was at Pat's (or Geno's across the street from Pats). Pat's didn't
> >become popular because the steaks were so wonderful, they became popular
> >because they were open all night, and all the queens, freaks, hookers, cops,
> >local celebrities, teenagers and tourists lent quite a carnival atmosphere.
> >A really fun place to hang out at 4am after a night of partying, or working
> >the night shift.
> >
> >Jon
> >
>
> i don't think pat's and geno's are the only places to serve cheez
> whiz. if so, i don't think everyone would have heard about it. what
> makes you think this?

I am a born and raised Philadelphian. Although I hate cheez whiz, its
simply wrong to say that only Geno's and Pat's serve it on Philly
cheesesteaks. I would be hard pressed to think of any place in Philly
that serves cheesesteaks where you can't get cheez whiz if you want it.

In article >, Andy <q> wrote:

> MareCat said...
>
> > Really?? From what I've heard/read, Philadelphians seem to take their
> > Cheez Whiz seriously--like it's the *real thing* on cheesesteaks. You're
> > saying that's not true?
>
>
> Mary,
>
> The way my Sis-in-law (born and raised in Philly) described it to me is
> that Philadelphians are basically divided into two camps when it comes to
> the better cheesesteak. She served me my first two (in one sitting)
> American cheesesteaks. I've rarely crossed the line since then. Cheez Whiz
> just adds a more salty taste, imho.
>
> You take quality meat, a fresh Italian roll and fried onions then apply
> over-processed Cheez Whiz to it? There's the joke/sadness/crime of it,
> imho.
>
> One rule that's universally agreed upon is a good cheesesteak doesn't need
> ketchup, only dry ones, which should be returned for a refund instead.

Huh! No way. All cheesesteaks need either ketchup or pizza sauce.
Believe it or not, I prefer pizza sauce instead of ketchup on my
cheesesteaks.

In article >,
"MareCat" > wrote:

> "Andy" <q> wrote in message ...
> >
> > The way my Sis-in-law (born and raised in Philly) described it to me is
> > that Philadelphians are basically divided into two camps when it comes to
> > the better cheesesteak. She served me my first two (in one sitting)
> > American cheesesteaks. I've rarely crossed the line since then. Cheez Whiz
> > just adds a more salty taste, imho.
> >
> > You take quality meat, a fresh Italian roll and fried onions then apply
> > over-processed Cheez Whiz to it? There's the joke/sadness/crime of it,
> > imho.
>
> OK, so we're in agreement then.
>
>
> > One rule that's universally agreed upon is a good cheesesteak doesn't need
> > ketchup, only dry ones, which should be returned for a refund instead.
>
> Ugggghhhhh--KETCHUP??? Nooooooooo!
>
>
> > Best,
> >
> > Andy
> > Has never finished a Pat's or Geno's cheesesteak.
>
> The only time I've ever had a Pat's cheesesteak was at the Reading Terminal
> Market. Yuck! Dry and not much meat/cheese.

That makes no sense. Pat's does not operate a cheesesteak store in the
Reading Terminal Market and I don't think he ever has. You might be
thinking of Rick's cheesesteaks, but they are pretty good; definitely
not skimpy on the meat and cheese.

I never tried cheesecakes before, but tell me what
they taste like.

http://community.webtv.net/kn_trudyhernandez/seashore

On Sat, 31 May 2008 20:30:26 -0600, (TRUDY
HERNANDEZ) wrote:

>I never tried cheesecakes before, but tell me what
>they taste like.
>
>http://community.webtv.net/kn_trudyhernandez/seashore

The easiest way to try one is to buy a Sara Lee frozen and thaw it
out. Sara Lee cheesecakes are pretty good. If you like it, either
buy more or get back to us for some recipes.

http://www.saralee.com.au/recipe.jsp...cat=FR OZFRUI
scroll down for raspberry coulis to drizzle over

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