On Tue 03 Jun 2008 12:53:00p, Jean B. told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 07:32:56a, Kathleen told us...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> We presently have 3 males and 2 females, all neutered or spayed quite
>>>> young. We have never had a spraying problem with any of them. I may
>>>> be wrong, but I know I was told that the younger you have them
>>>> neutered, the
>>>> less likely they will ever spray, regardless of circumstances.
>>>
>>> True. And the current trend is for very early pediatric spay and
>>> neuters in both puppies and kittens prior to adoption from shelters,
>>> in an effort to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
>>>
>>> My own vet feels, however, that in a responsible, well controlled
>>> household that it is preferable to wait a year prior to speutering in
>>> order to allow the animal to pass through puberty and develop an
>>> adult-sized genito-urinary tract. The thinking is that this will help
>>> prevent issues caused by crystals and stones in the urine later in
>>> life which, while disastrous in a dog or cat with an undeveloped
>>> urinary tract, may pass unnoticed through grownup-sized plumbing.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's an interesting and perhaps very valid concept. I suppose we've
>> been lucky with all of our cats, because they have all been either
>> spayed or neutered at a very early age and none have every had urinary
>> tract problems. This includes some 16-17 cats over a long period of
>> time.
>>
> Well, we have just lucked out in this department. A couple of years
> ago, on my birthday no less, Mingy was blocked because of crystals. So,
> of course, that is a worry. Now it's compounded by the fact that I
> don't know how much he is peeing--or even whether he is peeing, so my
> early warning mechanism is gone. The good news is that I guess he's
> peeing/spraying more frequently, which I think is good from the crystal
> POV.
>
> Given his problems, I doubt he's going to have a really long life. That
> thought used to devastate me, but not I can think that at least he won't
> be spraying. Still...
>
> Now why are the two foster cats so healthy? Must be in the genes.
>

Have you had him to the vet for the spraying/peeing problem? I'm sure you
had him ther efor the crystal problem, but still...

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> I spent 43 winters in Ohio. I swore I would never spend another one there.
> We moved for the climate, the job market, and a new perspective on life.
>
> The house and grounds we left were beautiful. Nothing negative about them.
>
Yeah, the winters... Can't say I like them, but we detest the heat, and
I'm not about to become a snowbird (is that what they're called?). A
moderate climate would be nice, but lots of folks think that.

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Jean B.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 12:53:00p, Jean B. told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 07:32:56a, Kathleen told us...
>>>
>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We presently have 3 males and 2 females, all neutered or spayed quite
>>>>> young. We have never had a spraying problem with any of them. I may
>>>>> be wrong, but I know I was told that the younger you have them
>>>>> neutered, the
>>>>> less likely they will ever spray, regardless of circumstances.
>>>> True. And the current trend is for very early pediatric spay and
>>>> neuters in both puppies and kittens prior to adoption from shelters,
>>>> in an effort to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
>>>>
>>>> My own vet feels, however, that in a responsible, well controlled
>>>> household that it is preferable to wait a year prior to speutering in
>>>> order to allow the animal to pass through puberty and develop an
>>>> adult-sized genito-urinary tract. The thinking is that this will help
>>>> prevent issues caused by crystals and stones in the urine later in
>>>> life which, while disastrous in a dog or cat with an undeveloped
>>>> urinary tract, may pass unnoticed through grownup-sized plumbing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That's an interesting and perhaps very valid concept. I suppose we've
>>> been lucky with all of our cats, because they have all been either
>>> spayed or neutered at a very early age and none have every had urinary
>>> tract problems. This includes some 16-17 cats over a long period of
>>> time.
>>>
>> Well, we have just lucked out in this department. A couple of years
>> ago, on my birthday no less, Mingy was blocked because of crystals. So,
>> of course, that is a worry. Now it's compounded by the fact that I
>> don't know how much he is peeing--or even whether he is peeing, so my
>> early warning mechanism is gone. The good news is that I guess he's
>> peeing/spraying more frequently, which I think is good from the crystal
>> POV.
>>
>> Given his problems, I doubt he's going to have a really long life. That
>> thought used to devastate me, but not I can think that at least he won't
>> be spraying. Still...
>>
>> Now why are the two foster cats so healthy? Must be in the genes.
>>
>
> Have you had him to the vet for the spraying/peeing problem? I'm sure you
> had him ther efor the crystal problem, but still...
>

Oh, of course! That was of minimal help though. And I'm not about to
cast him out.

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Jean B.

On Tue 03 Jun 2008 02:03:01p, Jean B. told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 12:53:00p, Jean B. told us...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> On Tue 03 Jun 2008 07:32:56a, Kathleen told us...
>>>>
>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We presently have 3 males and 2 females, all neutered or spayed
>>>>>> quite young. We have never had a spraying problem with any of
>>>>>> them. I may be wrong, but I know I was told that the younger you
>>>>>> have them neutered, the
>>>>>> less likely they will ever spray, regardless of circumstances.
>>>>> True. And the current trend is for very early pediatric spay and
>>>>> neuters in both puppies and kittens prior to adoption from shelters,
>>>>> in an effort to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
>>>>>
>>>>> My own vet feels, however, that in a responsible, well controlled
>>>>> household that it is preferable to wait a year prior to speutering
>>>>> in order to allow the animal to pass through puberty and develop an
>>>>> adult-sized genito-urinary tract. The thinking is that this will
>>>>> help prevent issues caused by crystals and stones in the urine later
>>>>> in life which, while disastrous in a dog or cat with an undeveloped
>>>>> urinary tract, may pass unnoticed through grownup-sized plumbing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That's an interesting and perhaps very valid concept. I suppose
>>>> we've been lucky with all of our cats, because they have all been
>>>> either spayed or neutered at a very early age and none have every had
>>>> urinary tract problems. This includes some 16-17 cats over a long
>>>> period of time.
>>>>
>>> Well, we have just lucked out in this department. A couple of years
>>> ago, on my birthday no less, Mingy was blocked because of crystals.
>>> So, of course, that is a worry. Now it's compounded by the fact that
>>> I don't know how much he is peeing--or even whether he is peeing, so
>>> my early warning mechanism is gone. The good news is that I guess
>>> he's peeing/spraying more frequently, which I think is good from the
>>> crystal POV.
>>>
>>> Given his problems, I doubt he's going to have a really long life.
>>> That thought used to devastate me, but not I can think that at least
>>> he won't be spraying. Still...
>>>
>>> Now why are the two foster cats so healthy? Must be in the genes.
>>>
>>
>> Have you had him to the vet for the spraying/peeing problem? I'm sure
>> you had him ther efor the crystal problem, but still...
>>
>
> Oh, of course! That was of minimal help though. And I'm not about to
> cast him out.
>

Nor would I. I could never give up a pet, nor have one put down unless his
health condition dicated it. They are my children.

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On Tue 03 Jun 2008 02:01:24p, Jean B. told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> I spent 43 winters in Ohio. I swore I would never spend another one
>> there. We moved for the climate, the job market, and a new perspective
>> on life.
>>
>> The house and grounds we left were beautiful. Nothing negative about
>> them.
>>
> Yeah, the winters... Can't say I like them, but we detest the heat, and
> I'm not about to become a snowbird (is that what they're called?). A
> moderate climate would be nice, but lots of folks think that.
>

Living here is rather like the reverse of living in your climate. As many
midwesterners and easterners spend much of their winter hours indoors, so
we do with the really hot summer hours. Early morning and evening are
quite enjoyable outside, even when the peak temperature of the day has been
110-120°F.

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On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:22:23 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:


>>Living here is rather like the reverse of living in your climate. As many
>midwesterners and easterners spend much of their winter hours indoors, so
>we do with the really hot summer hours. Early morning and evening are
>quite enjoyable outside, even when the peak temperature of the day has been
>110-120°F.

Isn't that the basis of the siesta? Stay indoors and take a nap
during the hottest part of the day...then go out in the evening and
have a late dinner. The Spanish do it all the time..

Christine

On Tue 03 Jun 2008 02:34:57p, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:22:23 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>
>>>Living here is rather like the reverse of living in your climate. As
>>>many
>>midwesterners and easterners spend much of their winter hours indoors,
>>so we do with the really hot summer hours. Early morning and evening
>>are quite enjoyable outside, even when the peak temperature of the day
>>has been 110-120°F.
>
> Isn't that the basis of the siesta? Stay indoors and take a nap
> during the hottest part of the day...then go out in the evening and
> have a late dinner. The Spanish do it all the time..
>
> Christine
>

You're correct. Unfortunately, Phoenix doesn't have a lot of restaurants
that are open particularly late.

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Sheldon wrote:


> "Jean B." wrote:
>
> > I plan to move to someplace more remote and
> > forget the lawn--or mow the smallest strip humanly possible.
>
> Pubic hair?
>
> Sheldon Lawnboy



Gosh, scything the cyberSNATCH would be such a big job that it'd be
akin to terraforming a whole planet...!!!


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