On Thu 05 Jun 2008 03:30:21p, Janet Baraclough told us...

> The message 1>
> from "Michael \"Dog3\"" > contains these words:
>
>
> I don't believe all
>> the second hand smoke stuff anyway.
>
> I wish Elvis would stop channelling this stuff from the 50's.
>
> Janet
>

You don't believe, then, that he's still alive and living in the crawlspace
under Graceland?

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Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Janet Baraclough >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> But employees in places where customers smoke, inhale that second
>> hand smoke all day long.
>
> They always have the option of working elsewhere. I



Oh dear, Michael.

You are beginning to sound like Marie Antoinette when she was told the
people were starving and didn't have bread: "Let them eat cake."

Many people don't have the ready option of working elsewhere.

gloria p

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
>>
>> A non-smoking policy will *not* kill them (SF has BTDT as have many,
>> many other communities).... but a continuation of the current national
>> economic trend will.
>
> It will not "kill" some of them. Many of them it will, especially the
> local pubs and sports bars. The trickle effect will not be noticed too
> much until the local municipalities, cities, states begin to wonder where
> in hell the tax money went that it used to collect from these places.
> Then of course they'll have to modify the smoking laws and then find
> another source of revenue to plump up the larder.

Nope, has not happened. When CT bars went smoke free, the expected uproar
occurred and quickly died down. The regulars never left and now it is
business as usual, sans the smoke.

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Kathleen >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>
>>Oh, I don't know. I never go to sports bars or pubs, or casinos for
>>that matter, because of the smoke. I'd definitely be open to visiting
>>these places if I didn't have to breathe other people's second hand
>>smoke and come home smelling like an ashtray and needing to shower and
>>shampoo to avoid contaminating the bedding.
>
>
> You'd become their best customer... wouldn't you

'Course not. But at least I'd be open to coming along when friends want
to go. And my cash is as green as any body else's. And I'm a good tipper.

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> They always have the option of working elsewhere. I don't believe all
> the second hand smoke stuff anyway. People have been breathing in second
> hand smoke in one way or another since fire was discovered.


Wow.

Get outside, dude. Get on your horse and ride 'til it hurts. Eat a big
supper, take a whopping dose of ibuprofen, wash it down with a glass of
red wine, sleep hard. You need it.

George wrote:
> Kathleen wrote:

>> Oh, I don't know. I never go to sports bars or pubs, or casinos for
>> that matter, because of the smoke. I'd definitely be open to visiting
>> these places if I didn't have to breathe other people's second hand
>> smoke and come home smelling like an ashtray and needing to shower and
>> shampoo to avoid contaminating the bedding.
>>
> Same here and I am quite sure we are not the only ones.


No, you're not. I can't stand going into a bar or eatery all dressed up
(or down, but going in clean and sweet smelling) and coming out smelling
like an ashtray.
Smokers tend to not notice how strongly they often smell (badly).
And yet I've also known some smokers that I had absolutely no idea they
smoked! For some odd reason they never smelled of cigs. I have no clue
what they do differently but lucky for them and me, eh?

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

>> In AZ smoking is banned within 25 feet of building entrances.
>
> Dumbest crap I've heard of.
>
> Michael
>
Not to non-smokers trying to walk through the hoard of smokers huddled
outside near the door on cold winter days.... BTDT and got contaminated
with the stench just passing through. Ugh.

Michael "Dog3" said...

> Billy <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> news:dnrg44l17l05b5ejop8036auqr50lgrdi8@
> 4ax.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:37:13 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>It would serve you
>>>better to be careful of what you say to strangers.
>>
>> That sound threatening. Was that your intent?
>>
>> Oh...and by the way....YOU do that every day....right here and we can
>> document it.
>
> <snort> You're kidding, right? If you're not, Usenet is not the place
> for you. Document away. Send it to my attorney and we'll get the ball
> rolling. My email address is in my sig. You *do* know what a sig is
> don't you?
>
> Michael


I think the worst decor is the chairs that are stuck in place so you can't
move them around to fit your position/size.

Andy

Michael \"Dog3\" wrote:

> Like smoke won't travel 25 feet? Nothing cracks me up more than watching
> someone insisting upon a table by the street when dining on a patio in the
> city. They will immediately bitch about the cigarette smoke but gleefully
> inhale the fumes from the busses and automobiles stop and going at the
> corner stop sign.

One night we were taken out to dinner by a friend we were visiting. Her
boyfriend insisted on a table at the far end of the smoking area. Part way
through the meal he spotted someone lighting up on the far side of the
restaurant. He was whining and carrying on and going apoplectic within a
fraction of a second, much faster than the smell could ever reach him.

My bother went into a restaurant for breakfast, and sat in the smoking section
to have his coffee a cigarette and do his crossword. He was all by himself.
The restaurant was empty. A woman came in and, of all the empty tables in the
place, sits at the one next to him and started complaining about the smoke.

The worst I have seen was a woman who was standing near a friend of mine who
was having a cigarette outside. Rather than move a few feet. she complained
about his smoke. He moved more than 50 feet away from her. Before he had
finished his cigarette, she was standing a few feet away from him again.

"Dave Smith" > wrote

> The worst I have seen was a woman who was standing near a friend of mine
> who
> was having a cigarette outside. Rather than move a few feet. she
> complained
> about his smoke. He moved more than 50 feet away from her. Before he had
> finished his cigarette, she was standing a few feet away from him again.

Unfortunately for the polite smokers, there are a gazillion more stories
about obnoxious and rude smokers. I don't feel sorry for them having
to go elsewhere to smoke.

Last night I went downstairs and Ron had South Park on, the subject
being banning smoking. Funny stuff.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> "> The worst I have seen was a woman who was standing near a friend of mine
> > who
> > was having a cigarette outside. Rather than move a few feet. she
> > complained
> > about his smoke. He moved more than 50 feet away from her. Before he had
> > finished his cigarette, she was standing a few feet away from him again.
>
> Unfortunately for the polite smokers, there are a gazillion more stories
> about obnoxious and rude smokers. I don't feel sorry for them having
> to go elsewhere to smoke.
>

Those were matters of smokers being polite or impolite. In the first case, the
smoker was in the smoking section on the far side of the restaurant. my
friend's boyfriend's whining was more annoying than the smoke. We were more
than 100 feet away. The woman who complained about my brother had the whole
restaurant to sit in, but chose to sit next to the smoke .In the third case,
the woman who complained about my friend 's smoke had no reason to move right
up behind him after he moved. BTW... later on that night she was sitting around
a campfire inhaling wood smoke.



>
> Last night I went downstairs and Ron had South Park on, the subject
> being banning smoking. Funny stuff.
>
> nancy

"Dave Smith" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:

>> Unfortunately for the polite smokers, there are a gazillion more stories
>> about obnoxious and rude smokers. I don't feel sorry for them having
>> to go elsewhere to smoke.
>
> Those were matters of smokers being polite or impolite.

Sure it was, it was about the poor beleagered smoker trying to do
the right thing and the obnoxious non-smoker going out of their way
to get smoke in their eyes and complain.

nancy

Janet Baraclough said...

> The message 1>
> from "Michael \"Dog3\"" > contains these words:
>
>> Andy <q> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> > I think the worst decor is the chairs that are stuck in place so you
>> > can't move them around to fit your position/size.
>
>> Can you draw me a picture of what you mean?
>
> Furniture that's screwed to the floor and can't be moved, like on
> board ship.


Janet,

Right! Thanks,

Andy



> I'm really dense this morning
>> and I think I'm having a bad reaction to one of my new meds. I'm being
>> serious.
>
> Ah. In that case, you need to know some of your recent posts
> (yesterday) sounded a bit off the wall too. Not like your usual self.
>
> Janet
>

Michael "Dog3" > wrote in message
6.121...
> They upped my Neurontin and I seriously tell you
> it is really messing with me. I woke up this morning
> and didn't know where I was.

Beware Neurontin! Daughter-unit Beta's on it for her JRA. It
sent her into cry sessions several times throughout the day.
Just what a teenangster needs... Emotion-wrenching drugs. It
also played major havoc with her memory; whole chunks are/were
missing during those trials.

The Ranger

On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:37:13 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Billy <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> news:gnlg44t7kodki5iiroq6pb0og41gttg7us@
>4ax.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:02:23 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>and then I'll take it to the highest court in the land.
>>
>> Be careful what you wish for.....
>
>Be careful? Of what? Following protocol to make a point? It would serve you
>better to be careful of what you say to strangers.
>
>Michael

i would say be careful because the current court is not exactly
hell-bent on preserving individual rights.

now, if big business had an interest of preserving wood-burning
fireplaces, you might be get lucky.

your pal,
blake

Michael \"Dog3\" wrote:

>
> At first I thought non-smokers firmly believed they would contract lung
> cancer at the slightest whiff of second hand cigarette smoke. Now I
> believe the vast majority of them bitch about it because they don't like
> the smell of it. That is their choice. I bitch about stuff too.

There is no doubt that it stinks. I sometimes wonder if they have changed the
tobacco or added something to it to make it stink. I used to think that most
tobacco smelled nice. Most of it stinks now. Never the less, I find that the
smell of tobacco smoke strikes me for a few seconds, but then it seems to
disappear. You walk into a room where there has been a lot of smoking and you
are hit by that stale smoky smell, But within a few seconds I get used to it
and it does not bother me.

A few days ago I was walking across a parking lot to enter a mall and the
woman ahead of me reeked of perfume. I couldn't help but wonder if she is one
of those who complains about the stink of tobacco, because it could not be as
offensive as her perfume.



> As for myself... I firmly believe smoking should be banned in all places
> of business with the exception of bars. I think banning cigarette smoke
> in bars is ridiculous. Who would go to a neighborhood bar and not expect
> smoke? I'm fine with banning smoking in restaurants. I don't smoke in
> them anyway. Banning smoking outdoors is absurd. Seriously. I think
> there should be designated smoking areas in some places, like casinos for
> instance and definitely hospitals where people who are visiting need a
> place to go.

I agree about places of business, but they should have a designated smoking
area. They can't do that here anymore,, not even under overhangs. They can
have patios with umbrellas but not a full awning. Most drinkers smoke and
IMO, the bar owner should be able to decide whether he wants to cater to a
smoking or a non smoking crowd. Most would rather have the smokers.


>
>
> A close friend and neighbor just recently spent 30 days in a rehab center
> due to alcohol abuse. She also smokes. She said her doctor sent her to
> a 4 day detox unit in a local hospital before she boarded a plane for
> rehab. There was absolutley no smoking, anywhere, on hospital property.
> Seriously... can you even imagine trying to detox off of alcohol and then
> they take away your smokes on top of it?

AFAIAC, physical dependence is highly over rated. I think that it is the
behaviour that is addictive and the trick to rehab is to deal with the
behaviour. When it comes to smoking and drinking, they go hand in hand, so it
seems reasonable to deal with the addictive behaviour(S) more than the
chemicals. I am an on and off smoker, and when I lay off the smokes the time
I miss them is when I have a coffee in the morning.

> There is no doubt in my mind that smoking is bad for the smoker. Smokers
> do it to themselves. The second hand smoke studies floating around may or
> may not hold water. I'm sure in some instances the study results are
> valid. I think the pity of it all is the tobacco industry was allowed to
> glamorize smoking and an entire nation became hooked on their products.
> Weaning off of it is a long and difficult process and I don't see it
> happening anytime soon.
>

Up here they really milked a case of a bar waitress who never smoked but
died of lung cancer she attributed to second hand smoke. My wife's best
friend died of an aneurysm at age 52. She was a smoker. When she died her
organs were donated....including her lungs. Her father never had a cigarette
in his life and avoided second hand smoke. He died of lung cancer.

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:45:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Thu 05 Jun 2008 03:30:21p, Janet Baraclough told us...
>
>> The message 1>
>> from "Michael \"Dog3\"" > contains these words:
>>
>>
>> I don't believe all
>>> the second hand smoke stuff anyway.
>>
>> I wish Elvis would stop channelling this stuff from the 50's.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>
>You don't believe, then, that he's still alive and living in the crawlspace
>under Graceland?

he had too many peanut butter, bacon and banana sandwiches and now he
can't get out.

your pal,
carl

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:51:40 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Kathleen >
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>
>>> They always have the option of working elsewhere. I don't believe
>>> all the second hand smoke stuff anyway. People have been breathing
>>> in second hand smoke in one way or another since fire was discovered.
>>
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> Get outside, dude. Get on your horse and ride 'til it hurts. Eat a
>> big supper, take a whopping dose of ibuprofen, wash it down with a
>> glass of red wine, sleep hard. You need it.
>
>Both sets of my grandparents somked like chimneys and they both lived
>until they were in their 90s. Both of my parents are still alive and
>neither of them have had lung ailments or any of the stuff associated
>with second hand smoke. My mother still smokes and has ever since I can
>remember. No one in my family has experience any of the "second hand
>smoke" ailments touted. I simply don't believe all of it.
>

i too am skeptical about the effects of second-hand smoke on healthy
adults. the aggregated studies seem suspect.

but apparently non-smokers are delicate flowers to be preserved at all
costs.

your pal,
blake

"Michael "Dog3"" > ha scritto nel messaggio
6.121...
> Dave Smith

>> AFAIAC, physical dependence is highly over rated. I think that it is
>> the behaviour that is addictive and the trick to rehab is to deal with
>> the behaviour.
>
> I will respectfully disagree with you on this one. >
> Michael

I don't even feel respectful. I quit in mid-January. I still feel the burn
for a cigarette. I resist every single day. There is nothing mental or
fanciful about this sensation, this signal.

The Ranger wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" > wrote in message
> 6.121...
>> They upped my Neurontin and I seriously tell you
>> it is really messing with me. I woke up this morning
>> and didn't know where I was.
>
> Beware Neurontin! Daughter-unit Beta's on it for her JRA. It
> sent her into cry sessions several times throughout the day.
> Just what a teenangster needs... Emotion-wrenching drugs. It
> also played major havoc with her memory; whole chunks are/were
> missing during those trials.

JRA?

Ophelia > wrote in message
...
[snip]
> JRA?

Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis.
http://www.enbrel.com/jia/understanding-jia.jsp
http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/med...ritis/jra.html

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Kathleen >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>
>>Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>They always have the option of working elsewhere. I don't believe
>>>all the second hand smoke stuff anyway. People have been breathing
>>>in second hand smoke in one way or another since fire was discovered.
>>
>>
>>Wow.
>>
>>Get outside, dude. Get on your horse and ride 'til it hurts. Eat a
>>big supper, take a whopping dose of ibuprofen, wash it down with a
>>glass of red wine, sleep hard. You need it.
>
>
> Both sets of my grandparents somked like chimneys and they both lived
> until they were in their 90s. Both of my parents are still alive and
> neither of them have had lung ailments or any of the stuff associated
> with second hand smoke. My mother still smokes and has ever since I can
> remember. No one in my family has experience any of the "second hand
> smoke" ailments touted. I simply don't believe all of it.
>
The plural of anecdote is not data. I'm glad your parents are/were
healthy. I have my own anecdotes, though. Before her 30th birthday my
mom lost the middle lobe of her right lung to smoking. My sister and I
had constant ear infections and bronchitis, ailments that miraculously
disappeared when my parents finally quit smoking.

Both of my husband's parents died of smoking. Not nice deaths, either.
Neither of them just dropped dead. Instead it was years of slow rot,
with oxygen tanks (turned off so they could fire up a cigarette), and
bits and pieces being whittled off.

> As far as you judging what I need and should or should not do... Take a
> look in the mirror.

I'd like to ammend my advice. You need to go outside and play in traffic.

On Fri 06 Jun 2008 05:40:01a, Janet Baraclough told us...

> The message 1>
> from "Michael \"Dog3\"" > contains these words:
>
>> Kathleen >
>> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> > Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> >
>> >> They always have the option of working elsewhere. I don't believe
>> >> all the second hand smoke stuff anyway. People have been breathing
>> >> in second hand smoke in one way or another since fire was discovered.
>> >
>> >
>> > Wow.
>> >
>> > Get outside, dude. Get on your horse and ride 'til it hurts. Eat a
>> > big supper, take a whopping dose of ibuprofen, wash it down with a
>> > glass of red wine, sleep hard. You need it.
>
>> Both sets of my grandparents somked like chimneys and they both lived
>> until they were in their 90s. Both of my parents are still alive and
>> neither of them have had lung ailments or any of the stuff associated
>> with second hand smoke. My mother still smokes and has ever since I can
>> remember. No one in my family has experience any of the "second hand
>> smoke" ailments touted. I simply don't believe all of it.
>
> And since you haven't been killed in a car accident, does that mean
> fatal car crashes are just an unfounded rumour too?
>
> Janet
>

Absolutely. All those people are alive and living incognito to escape from
their families. :-)

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On Fri 06 Jun 2008 07:05:42a, blake murphy told us...

> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:51:40 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> > wrote:
>
>>Kathleen >
: in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>
>>>> They always have the option of working elsewhere. I don't believe
>>>> all the second hand smoke stuff anyway. People have been breathing in
>>>> second hand smoke in one way or another since fire was discovered.
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> Get outside, dude. Get on your horse and ride 'til it hurts. Eat a
>>> big supper, take a whopping dose of ibuprofen, wash it down with a
>>> glass of red wine, sleep hard. You need it.
>>
>>Both sets of my grandparents somked like chimneys and they both lived
>>until they were in their 90s. Both of my parents are still alive and
>>neither of them have had lung ailments or any of the stuff associated
>>with second hand smoke. My mother still smokes and has ever since I can
>>remember. No one in my family has experience any of the "second hand
>>smoke" ailments touted. I simply don't believe all of it.
>>
>
> i too am skeptical about the effects of second-hand smoke on healthy
> adults. the aggregated studies seem suspect.
>
> but apparently non-smokers are delicate flowers to be preserved at all
> costs.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

Some of those "delicate flowers" should be cut and dried in flower press.

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On Fri 06 Jun 2008 07:37:47a, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> blake murphy >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:45:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu 05 Jun 2008 03:30:21p, Janet Baraclough told us...
>>>
>>>> The message 1>
>>>> from "Michael \"Dog3\"" > contains these
>>>> words:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe all
>>>>> the second hand smoke stuff anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I wish Elvis would stop channelling this stuff from the 50's.
>>>>
>>>> Janet
>>>>
>>>
>>>You don't believe, then, that he's still alive and living in the
>>>crawlspace under Graceland?
>>
>> he had too many peanut butter, bacon and banana sandwiches and now he
>> can't get out.
>
> ROFL... sure it wasn't that last pork chop?
>
> Michael
>

In any case, his food is probably slipped to him through a slit in the
kitchen floor.

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"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
6.121...
> Janet Baraclough >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> The message 1>
>> from "Michael \"Dog3\"" > contains these words:
>>
>>> Gloria P >
>>> : in
>>> rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> > Oh dear, Michael.
>>> >
>>> > You are beginning to sound like Marie Antoinette when she was told
>>> > the people were starving and didn't have bread: "Let them eat
>>> > cake."
>>> >
>>> > Many people don't have the ready option of working elsewhere.
>>
>>> I don't believe that.
>>
>> Oh, well....
>
> Do you seriously believe that humanity is so lost that people can not
> make changes in their lives and are stuck where they are? Even I give
> the human race more credit than that.
>

You seem to believe it, since you can't even bring yourself to consider
quitting smoking when it is killing you, and making you smell bad, look bad,
and taste bad as it does.

Uck.

Michael "Dog3" > wrote in message
6.121...
> "The Ranger" >
news rec.food.cooking
>> Ophelia > wrote in message
>> ...
>> [snip]
>>> JRA?
>>
>> Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis.
>> http://www.enbrel.com/jia/understanding-jia.jsp
>> http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/med...ritis/jra.html
>
> The drug Neurontin is used to help manage
> chronic pain. [..]

Of which neurontin is used in the treatment of most rheumatoid
arthritis...

The Ranger

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Kathleen >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>
>>>I wrote:
>>>As far as you judging what I need and should or should not do... Take
>>>a look in the mirror.
>>
>>I'd like to ammend my advice. You need to go outside and play in
>>traffic.
>
>
> You advice was unsolicited.

Yup. And if somebody's got a big old booger hanging off their nose, or
an open fly, or spinach in the teeth I speak up, solicited or not.
You've got your nasty habits, I've got mine.

And you've got a greenie on your snout.

> What I meant by looking in the mirror was not
> to judge, unless you are perfect yourself. Your ammended advice speaks
> volumes and no response from me is required.

And yet...

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

>
> Well I don't see a ban on wood burning fireplaces in my area happening. I
> can afford to be adventureous.
>


Wood-burning bans are generally in effect in places that have bad air
quality regardless of the cause because burning wood adds airborne
particulates which makes bad air worse. Even then, wood bans are in
effect only on the worst air pollution days.

gloria p

Gloria P > wrote:

>Wood-burning bans are generally in effect in places that have bad air
>quality regardless of the cause because burning wood adds airborne
>particulates which makes bad air worse. Even then, wood bans are in
>effect only on the worst air pollution days.

I believe there's a complete ban on unscrubbed wood-burning
where I live. I'd actually have to check to be certain of this,
but it's a pretty thorough ban.

Here, the worst air-pollution days are in the summer, when
nobody is burning wood anyway.

Steve

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
>
> At first I thought non-smokers firmly believed they would contract lung
> cancer at the slightest whiff of second hand cigarette smoke. Now I
> believe the vast majority of them bitch about it because they don't like
> the smell of it.

Exactly. It stinks. I still feel bad that I made my wife smell that stuff
for the years that I smoked. Wretched stuff. Ashtrays are disgusting and
even the most fastidiously clean person stinks after they've had a
cigarette. I cannot imagine kissing a smoker. If you plan to smoke, don't
bother coming to visit me as I don't allow smoking any place it can get into
the house.

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
> One has to tolerate many things in life that we
> don't like.
>

True, but cigarette smoke is not one of them.

On Fri 06 Jun 2008 08:27:38p, Edwin Pawlowski told us...

>
> "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
>> One has to tolerate many things in life that we
>> don't like.
>>
>
> True, but cigarette smoke is not one of them.

I wish there was a law against body odor. It's revolting. I can't
understand people in this day and age not bathing regularly. Soap and
water just don't cost that much. Fresh sweat doesn't smell bad. Letting
it go until the bacteria work on it does.

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On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:37:18 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Dave Smith >
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> AFAIAC, physical dependence is highly over rated. I think that it is
>> the behaviour that is addictive and the trick to rehab is to deal with
>> the behaviour.
>
>I will respectfully disagree with you on this one. While I agree
>behaviour plays a minor role in addiction; I firmly believe there is a
>chemical imbalance in the brain of alcoholics and drug addicts. I also
>believe there is a genetic relationship in addiction.
>

well, there sure as hell are withdrawal symptoms with alcohol, and
less so for nicotine. i think that's the medical definition for
addiction.

how the addiction *begins* is where your heredity and 'behavior'
arguments belong. in the case of alcohol, i would argue it's akin to
an allergy, since many people drink without becoming alcoholics.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:46:48 +0200, "Giusi" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Michael "Dog3"" > ha scritto nel messaggio
86.121...
>> Dave Smith
>
>>> AFAIAC, physical dependence is highly over rated. I think that it is
>>> the behaviour that is addictive and the trick to rehab is to deal with
>>> the behaviour.
>>
>> I will respectfully disagree with you on this one. >
>> Michael
>
>I don't even feel respectful. I quit in mid-January. I still feel the burn
>for a cigarette. I resist every single day. There is nothing mental or
>fanciful about this sensation, this signal.
>

i talked to a guy who had quit ten years prior, and he said he still
occasionally smoked in his dreams.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:38:58 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>blake murphy >
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> i too am skeptical about the effects of second-hand smoke on healthy
>> adults. the aggregated studies seem suspect.
>>
>> but apparently non-smokers are delicate flowers to be preserved at all
>> costs.
>
>Hmmm... you may be right. Perhaps they could be preserved using a
>foodsaver? I wonder if non-smokers freeze well...
>
>Michael <- just kidding of course

at times i wouldn't be kidding. bitching about having to 'run a
gauntlet' of smokers by the door? unless they're holding you down and
giving you shotgun tokes, i think you'll survive.

your pal,
blake

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
> Exactly my point. Non-smokers are free to dine anywhere, drink anywhere
> they please. No one is forcing a non-smoker into a smoke filled bar
> anywhere that I know of. Edwin, you are beginning to sound like one of
> the
> reformed smoker preachers. Tell me it's not true
>
> Michael

At least somewhat true. Quit about 30 years ago. IMO, it is the dumbest
and most wasteful thing you can do. I had tried to quit a few times and
then seeing lungs from a smoker finally convinced me to stick with it and I
kicked the habit.

Food tastes better, other subtle fragrances are better, breathing is better.
I'd never suggest outlawing smoking, but I'm certainly not going to support
it.
Ed

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:10:41 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Kathleen >
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>>> I wrote:
>>> As far as you judging what I need and should or should not do... Take
>>> a look in the mirror.
>>
>> I'd like to ammend my advice. You need to go outside and play in
>> traffic.
>
>You advice was unsolicited. What I meant by looking in the mirror was not
>to judge, unless you are perfect yourself. Your ammended advice speaks
>volumes and no response from me is required.
>
>Michael

let he who is without sin throw the first fit.

though i will admit, the first time i heard:

'do you mind if i smoke?'

'no. do you mind if i fart?'

....i thought it was pretty funny.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:48:40 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Fri 06 Jun 2008 05:40:01a, Janet Baraclough told us...
>
>>
>> And since you haven't been killed in a car accident, does that mean
>> fatal car crashes are just an unfounded rumour too?
>>
>> Janet
>>
>
>Absolutely. All those people are alive and living incognito to escape from
>their families. :-)

probably a good move on their part.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:08:14 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
86.121...
>> Janet Baraclough >
>> : in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> The message 1>
>>> from "Michael \"Dog3\"" > contains these words:
>>>
>>>> Gloria P >
>>>> : in
>>>> rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>> > Oh dear, Michael.
>>>> >
>>>> > You are beginning to sound like Marie Antoinette when she was told
>>>> > the people were starving and didn't have bread: "Let them eat
>>>> > cake."
>>>> >
>>>> > Many people don't have the ready option of working elsewhere.
>>>
>>>> I don't believe that.
>>>
>>> Oh, well....
>>
>> Do you seriously believe that humanity is so lost that people can not
>> make changes in their lives and are stuck where they are? Even I give
>> the human race more credit than that.
>>
>
>You seem to believe it, since you can't even bring yourself to consider
>quitting smoking when it is killing you, and making you smell bad, look bad,
>and taste bad as it does.
>
>Uck.
>

there was a long, long discussion in another group i'm in about
whether people were ever too poor to move. (i would say yes.)

change of any kind is difficult, and changing jobs is a pretty major
change. if i thought the job was killing me, i probably would. (i
did think at one time it would be easier just to kill my boss, but he
left, thank god, to torture some hapless kids in middle school as a
teacher. i was dying to find out what kind of nicknames they'd given
him.)

your pal,
blake