On Sat 07 Jun 2008 07:32:31a, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> blake murphy >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:48:40 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri 06 Jun 2008 05:40:01a, Janet Baraclough told us...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And since you haven't been killed in a car accident, does that
>>>> mean
>>>> fatal car crashes are just an unfounded rumour too?
>>>>
>>>> Janet
>>>>
>>>
>>>Absolutely. All those people are alive and living incognito to escape
>>>from their families. :-)
>>
>> probably a good move on their part.
>
> I thought they were all hiding out in the cellar with Elvis.
>
> Michael
>
>
>

Graceland isn't as big as most people think. They wouldn't all fit.

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Edwin Pawlowski said...

>
> "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
>> Exactly my point. Non-smokers are free to dine anywhere, drink anywhere
>> they please. No one is forcing a non-smoker into a smoke filled bar
>> anywhere that I know of. Edwin, you are beginning to sound like one of
>> the
>> reformed smoker preachers. Tell me it's not true
>>
>> Michael
>
> At least somewhat true. Quit about 30 years ago. IMO, it is the
> dumbest and most wasteful thing you can do. I had tried to quit a few
> times and then seeing lungs from a smoker finally convinced me to stick
> with it and I kicked the habit.
>
> Food tastes better, other subtle fragrances are better, breathing is
> better. I'd never suggest outlawing smoking, but I'm certainly not going
> to support it.
> Ed


Ed,

I gave up smokes on Sept 1st, 2004, 10AM after deciding I refuse to pay
$8/day for a two pack a day habit. Have saved $11,000.15 as of this moment. I
essentially quit for financial reasons.

I can smell the noxious odor of cig smoke 50' away.

Met my boss for lunch and he asked me if I'd quit smoking and I said I had
and why he'd asked and he replied I didn't smell it. Who knew I stunk?!?
Nobody told me!

Repainted the tar & nicotine brown stained interior of my house. What a
difference.

I only nag my #1 Bud to quit but he's a lost cause and chain smokes like a
chimney. Choked me out at the family reunion. The BUM!!!

Andy

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:04:22 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>
>well, there sure as hell are withdrawal symptoms with alcohol, and
>less so for nicotine. i think that's the medical definition for
>addiction.

The two substances are often linked.
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/nicotine/l/aa000222a.htm
www.iuphar.org/pdf/hum_285.pdf

Canada has it printed on the package: "Warning - Cigarettes are highly
addictive. Studies have shown that tobacco can be harder to quit than
heroin or cocaine."


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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
>> Exactly my point. Non-smokers are free to dine anywhere, drink anywhere
>> they please. No one is forcing a non-smoker into a smoke filled bar
>> anywhere that I know of. Edwin, you are beginning to sound like one of
>> the
>> reformed smoker preachers. Tell me it's not true
>>
>> Michael
>
> At least somewhat true. Quit about 30 years ago. IMO, it is the dumbest
> and most wasteful thing you can do. I had tried to quit a few times and
> then seeing lungs from a smoker finally convinced me to stick with it and I
> kicked the habit.
>
> Food tastes better, other subtle fragrances are better, breathing is better.
> I'd never suggest outlawing smoking, but I'm certainly not going to support
> it.
> Ed
>
>
I smoked for forty years Ed. Quit fourteen years ago after my second
heart attack and the angioplasties that followed. After five days in ICU
I no longer had the urge and haven't even thought about smoking again
since then. I agree that food tastes better, I can smell subtle
fragrances I haven't noticed in many years and my wife tells me that I
no longer smell like an ashtray that's been full of ashes for a week.

I may not live any longer as men in family generally die of heart
disease but I'll sure as hell die richer. Have you seen the prices of
cigarettes lately?

George

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:09:46 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:
>
>at times i wouldn't be kidding. bitching about having to 'run a
>gauntlet' of smokers by the door? unless they're holding you down and
>giving you shotgun tokes, i think you'll survive.
>

You tried to make it into a joke, but it's not funny. By passing
through a fog of cigarette smoke, a non smoker is literally bathed in
it and the smell doesn't go away. Non smokers don't like the smell of
cigarette smoke, and they don't want to wear someone else's second
hand smoke for the rest of the day/evening. Smokers also add to dry
cleaning bills because non smokers want that smell gone, not hanging
around in the closet.

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Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> "Edwin Pawlowski" >
> : in rec.food.cooking
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>> "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
>>> At first I thought non-smokers firmly believed they would contract
>>> lung cancer at the slightest whiff of second hand cigarette smoke.
>>> Now I believe the vast majority of them bitch about it because they
>>> don't like the smell of it.
>> Exactly. It stinks. I still feel bad that I made my wife smell that
>> stuff for the years that I smoked. Wretched stuff. Ashtrays are
>> disgusting and even the most fastidiously clean person stinks after
>> they've had a cigarette. I cannot imagine kissing a smoker. If you
>> plan to smoke, don't bother coming to visit me as I don't allow
>> smoking any place it can get into the house.
>
> No doubt that it is a filthy habit. I don't allow smoking inside my home
> and I smoke outside. I don't recall receiving an invitation to visit you
> But if invited, I promise not to smoke anywhere on the premisis.
>

I, too, am an ex-smoker but I didn't quit soon enough to have avoided
cancer of the tongue 6 years later. Lost half of it 2 years ago. If you
ever want to experience what hell could be like, get radiation to your
mouth and don't even think of enjoying food for a minimum of 6 months.
The burns in your mouth, the total destruction of your taste buds and
the probable damage to your teeth will keep you slim.

Smoking is one of the toughest addictions to get over because it's not
just chemical, it's behavioral. I was only able to quit by slowly
cutting down on cigarettes so that the nicotine left my system
gradually. (Patches, gum, etc. keep putting nicotine into your body. It
just isn't coming in through your lungs.) The chemical part of the
addiction isn't the hardest to get through. It takes a few days.

The hard part is the behavior. Eat a meal, light up. Make a phone call,
light up. So many of the normal daily things one does are punctuated by
cigarettes. They were my reward system.

What I needed to do was find a behavior to substitute for the cigarette.
For me it was Yoga breathing techniques. It could be something different
for others.

I won't say that the first year wasn't hard, but I did get through it
much better than I ever did with hypnosis, the patch and cold turkey
methods that did not work.

I don't want to be anywhere around cigarette smoke, but I do have a few
friends who still haven't kicked the habit. I have a screen porch
attached to my house and there is an ash tray out there, in a corner far
from the door. A guest is a guest and one accommodates one's guests.


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blake murphy wrote:

>>
>
> i talked to a guy who had quit ten years prior, and he said he still
> occasionally smoked in his dreams.

I did in my dreams for about 18 months after quitting.


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sf said...

> Canada has it printed on the package: "Warning - Cigarettes are highly
> addictive. Studies have shown that tobacco can be harder to quit than
> heroin or cocaine."


Gosh, I should try heroin or cocaine! Giving up cigs cold turkey was a cinch.


Andy

sf said...

> Non smokers don't like the smell of
> cigarette smoke, and they don't want to wear someone else's second
> hand smoke for the rest of the day/evening.


I was in a Kohl's ("K-Mart") department store and walked down an aisle where
some employee had sneaked a smoke. It may be invisible sometimes but there's
no mistaking the stench of tobacco.

Also in town at the state liquor store when I stop in, there are always
hundreds of cig butts right by the entrance. So I'd have to agree that
smoking and alcohol are related, though the employees manage to stay sober
during their shift.

Andy

Janet Wilder said...

> The hard part is the behavior. Eat a meal, light up. Make a phone call,
> light up. So many of the normal daily things one does are punctuated by
> cigarettes. They were my reward system.


When I gave up cigs cold turkey, I constantly reflex reached out for a pack
of cigs that weren't there for about two months.

I gave up smoking, I didn't quit. That's a defeatist term relating to a
positive accomplishment! Nobody likes a quitter. Well that's how I felt. Call
it what you will.

<end sermon>

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote

> Also in town at the state liquor store when I stop in, there are always
> hundreds of cig butts right by the entrance. So I'd have to agree that
> smoking and alcohol are related, though the employees manage to stay sober
> during their shift.

What's the deal? Where I worked they finally had to put out a memo,
use the cigarette (thing) and quit leaving your butts all around on the
sidewalk. Disgusting. Don't get me started about people who toss
their cigarettes out the car window, or use the beach as a giant ash
tray.

nancy

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:36:53 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

> Don't get me started about people who toss
> their cigarettes out the car window, or use the beach as a giant ash
> tray.

Yeah, I don't get it either. Smokers are all about themselves, fire
hazard and litter issues are not their problem.

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Nancy Young said...

>
> "Andy" <q> wrote
>
>> Also in town at the state liquor store when I stop in, there are always
>> hundreds of cig butts right by the entrance. So I'd have to agree that
>> smoking and alcohol are related, though the employees manage to stay
sober
>> during their shift.
>
> What's the deal? Where I worked they finally had to put out a memo,
> use the cigarette (thing) and quit leaving your butts all around on the
> sidewalk. Disgusting. Don't get me started about people who toss
> their cigarettes out the car window, or use the beach as a giant ash
> tray.
>
> nancy


nancy,

Agreed. What's wrong with some people? Is the word "oblivious"? And I'll
one better ya. The filters don't decay. They'll be around for hundreds of
years.

Andy

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:30:02 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>When that chemical is stimulated, some people
>become addicts be it alcohol or controlled substances.

Dopamine?

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"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
> I've quit several times. Sometimes for long stretches of time. Quitting
> is
> about the hardest thing for me. I think next time I quit, and I will,
> I'll
> try it with some medical help. Maybe a patch or something. Cold turkey
> just doesn't seem to be the way for me as it is some people.
>
> Michael

I've read that quitting heroin is easier than nicotine.

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
...
> blake murphy wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> i talked to a guy who had quit ten years prior, and he said he still
>> occasionally smoked in his dreams.
>
> I did in my dreams for about 18 months after quitting.
>
>

Never smoked in my dreams. Couldn't light the matches after a wet dream.

Janet Baraclough said...

> I don't permit guests to smoke


I permit smoking for guests in my home, I just turn on every fan I have. I'm
not going to inconvenience out of town guests for a brief stay, having been
in their shoes for 30 years. Locals tend to smoke on the porch out of
respect.

Andy

On Sat 07 Jun 2008 10:13:44a, Janet Baraclough told us...

> The message 0>
> from Wayne Boatwright > contains these words:
>
>> On Sat 07 Jun 2008 07:32:31a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>
>> > blake murphy >
>> > : in rec.food.cooking
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:48:40 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On Fri 06 Jun 2008 05:40:01a, Janet Baraclough told us...
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And since you haven't been killed in a car accident, does that
>> >>>> mean
>> >>>> fatal car crashes are just an unfounded rumour too?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Janet
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Absolutely. All those people are alive and living incognito to
escape
>> >>>from their families. :-)
>> >>
>> >> probably a good move on their part.
>> >
>> > I thought they were all hiding out in the cellar with Elvis.
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>> Graceland isn't as big as most people think. They wouldn't all fit.
>
> They certainly wouldn't fit if Elvis is down there. Along with several
> decades worth of incontinence pants.
>
> Janet
>

LOL!

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On Sat 07 Jun 2008 10:19:59a, sf told us...

> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:36:53 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
> wrote:
>
>> Don't get me started about people who toss
>> their cigarettes out the car window, or use the beach as a giant ash
>> tray.
>
> Yeah, I don't get it either. Smokers are all about themselves, fire
> hazard and litter issues are not their problem.
>

As a smoker, I would agree, Barbara, but I would also say that non-
smokers' attitudes are all about themselves. I'm a polite and neat smoker,
but I'm still damned by the non-smokers. Well, those that damn me can go
to hell, too. And there's no trying to defend the non-smokers' attitudes
as far as I'm concerned.

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On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:29:58 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>I would also say that non-smokers' attitudes are all about themselves.

Yes, it's all about me and my self preservation. At least we're not
starting fires or littering our environment with our cast off
cigarette butts.

The worst flight I ever took was when the airlines still had a smoking
section (and the same poor ventilation they have today). I was
assigned a seat the row in front of two cigar smokers and there was no
place to move (I asked). After being stuck on that plane for a cross
country flight, I emerged looking green and feeling like I had the flu
- I was actually barfing. It took me more than 24 hours to feel
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On Sat 07 Jun 2008 03:46:53p, sf told us...

> On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:29:58 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>I would also say that non-smokers' attitudes are all about themselves.
>
> Yes, it's all about me and my self preservation. At least we're not
> starting fires or littering our environment with our cast off
> cigarette butts.
>
> The worst flight I ever took was when the airlines still had a smoking
> section (and the same poor ventilation they have today). I was
> assigned a seat the row in front of two cigar smokers and there was no
> place to move (I asked). After being stuck on that plane for a cross
> country flight, I emerged looking green and feeling like I had the flu
> - I was actually barfing. It took me more than 24 hours to feel
> better.
>

We are al entitled to do what we choose. Where and when are the issues.
Manhy people make poor choices and are inconsiderate of others. Many
people not.

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On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:42:28 -0600, Gloria P >
fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>Wood-burning bans are generally in effect in places that have bad air
>quality regardless of the cause because burning wood adds airborne
>particulates which makes bad air worse. Even then, wood bans are in
>effect only on the worst air pollution days.

Gloria, aren't you in Denver? When I lived in Cherry Creek (Denver),
there was a complete ban on wood burning, leaf burning, etc. My
townhouse had gas "logs."

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
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"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

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On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:54:27 +0100, Janet Baraclough
> fired up random neurons and synapses to
opine:

> I don't permit guests to smoke; but what has surprised me
>considerably, is how many smoking guests say they are grateful for a few
>days break from it. Because they are outside their normal life , away
>from smoking friends, many of the social smoking cues are missing and
>those that do occur, such as on waking, after breakfast, watching tv,
>are damped down by the knowledge they can't do it here.

I quit smoking 16 years ago when we went to visit my in-laws for
Christmas and I knew I wouldn't have much of an opportunity to light
up while there. So, I quit. Cold turkey. Best thing I ever did for
myself, but I wish I hadn't subjected my family to it for all those
years. Didn't realize until I quit just how gawdawful a smoker stinks
*and* stinks up the place, although you'd think I'd have gotten a
ticket for the clue bus when my kids hung out the back window of the
station wagon, prefering car exhaust to cigarette smoke.

When my mother came to visit, I wouldn't let her smoke in the house
and she was mad as hops that I'd make "your own mother" go outside on
the deck to smoke. She's been dead since '99 of emphysema and Dad died
in '94 of lung cancer. Guess a house had to fall on me before I quit.

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"Some weasel took the cork out of my lunch!"

-- W.C. Fields

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:21:51 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>I've quit several times. Sometimes for long stretches of time. Quitting is
>about the hardest thing for me. I think next time I quit, and I will, I'll
>try it with some medical help. Maybe a patch or something. Cold turkey
>just doesn't seem to be the way for me as it is some people.

I read someplace that the average number of times to "quit" before you
actually *quit* is three. The DH had to make five stabs at it, but
he's been smoke free for almost two years and doesn't appear to be
backsliding any time soon.

Trouble is, non-smokers and reformed smokers are quick to harp on a
smoker to quit smoking, but it's like telling a fat person to lose
weight: you'll do it because you *want* to do it, not because of
social hairy eyebrows!

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
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old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

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On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:19:59 -0700, sf <.> fired up random neurons and
synapses to opine:

>On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:36:53 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>wrote:
>
>> Don't get me started about people who toss
>> their cigarettes out the car window, or use the beach as a giant ash
>> tray.
>
>Yeah, I don't get it either. Smokers are all about themselves, fire
>hazard and litter issues are not their problem.

When I lived at 8,500' in Colorado, we had an awful fire called the
High Mountain fire. Took days to put out and came within 1 1/2 miles
of me having to evacuate my rear end out of my house. During that
time, I was going back up the mountain and following some dipsh*t in a
dualie pickup who casually flipped his cigarette out the window. Wish
I'd had a squirt gun filled with ammonia at the next stop light...

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
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old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

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Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:

>When I lived in Cherry Creek (Denver),
>there was a complete ban on wood burning, leaf burning, etc. My
>townhouse had gas "logs."

That makes sense, given that Denver often ranked as the most
polluted city in the U.S.

Steve

On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:16:56 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>sf <.> : in
>rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:30:02 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>When that chemical is stimulated, some people
>>>become addicts be it alcohol or controlled substances.
>>
>> Dopamine?
>
>No it's something like TCH or THC maybe. I'll have to look it up when I
>have time.
>
Hmmmm. I have no idea. Tryptophan?

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On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 05:06:55 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
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>Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
>
>>When I lived in Cherry Creek (Denver),
>>there was a complete ban on wood burning, leaf burning, etc. My
>>townhouse had gas "logs."
>
>That makes sense, given that Denver often ranked as the most
>polluted city in the U.S.
>
That's hard to believe.... LA is in a sea level-ish basin, Denver is
on a mountain.


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On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:51:07 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> i talked to a guy who had quit ten years prior, and he said he still
>> occasionally smoked in his dreams.
>
>I did in my dreams for about 18 months after quitting.

did you have a sense of dread? like 'oh, no! i'm not supposed to be
doing this!'?

or was it more like, 'well, i'm glad this no smoking nonsense is over
with'?

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:18:02 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
>"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
. ..
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> i talked to a guy who had quit ten years prior, and he said he still
>>> occasionally smoked in his dreams.
>>
>> I did in my dreams for about 18 months after quitting.
>>
>>
>
>Never smoked in my dreams. Couldn't light the matches after a wet dream.
>

hmm, i've screwed in my dreams but i can't remember smoking afterward.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 08:32:42 -0700, sf <.> wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:09:46 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:
>>
>>at times i wouldn't be kidding. bitching about having to 'run a
>>gauntlet' of smokers by the door? unless they're holding you down and
>>giving you shotgun tokes, i think you'll survive.
>>
>
>You tried to make it into a joke, but it's not funny. By passing
>through a fog of cigarette smoke, a non smoker is literally bathed in
>it and the smell doesn't go away. Non smokers don't like the smell of
>cigarette smoke, and they don't want to wear someone else's second
>hand smoke for the rest of the day/evening. Smokers also add to dry
>cleaning bills because non smokers want that smell gone, not hanging
>around in the closet.

it's outside, for god's sake, not in a pressurized chamber.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:32:31 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>blake murphy >
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:48:40 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri 06 Jun 2008 05:40:01a, Janet Baraclough told us...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And since you haven't been killed in a car accident, does that
>>>> mean
>>>> fatal car crashes are just an unfounded rumour too?
>>>>
>>>> Janet
>>>>
>>>
>>>Absolutely. All those people are alive and living incognito to escape
>>>from their families. :-)
>>
>> probably a good move on their part.
>
>I thought they were all hiding out in the cellar with Elvis.
>
>Michael

he makes a mean sandwich.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 08:23:08 -0700, sf <.> wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:04:22 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:
>
>>
>>well, there sure as hell are withdrawal symptoms with alcohol, and
>>less so for nicotine. i think that's the medical definition for
>>addiction.
>
>The two substances are often linked.
>http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/nicotine/l/aa000222a.htm
>www.iuphar.org/pdf/hum_285.pdf
>
>Canada has it printed on the package: "Warning - Cigarettes are highly
>addictive. Studies have shown that tobacco can be harder to quit than
>heroin or cocaine."

at least cigarettes are cheaper - for the time being.

your pal,
blake

Michael "Dog3" said...

> Andy <q> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> sf said...
>>
>>> Canada has it printed on the package: "Warning - Cigarettes are
>>> highly addictive. Studies have shown that tobacco can be harder to
>>> quit than heroin or cocaine."
>>
>>
>> Gosh, I should try heroin or cocaine! Giving up cigs cold turkey was a
>> cinch.
>>
>
> Andy, you do not want to try either. I have seen the results in both
> heroin and cocaine addicts at a hospice I volunteer at. It's ugly.
> Especially when the patient is HIV+.
>
> Michael


Michael,

C'mon, I was kidding. What a waste of life and money!

Best,

Andy

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> Ahmen! I could write a book on people's unruly children, public cell
> phone
> usage and careless driving while gabbing. But then... they're all about
> themselves aren't they? It's an entitlement attitude. Many non-smokers
> have just as obnoxious habits as smokers but they just don't see it.
> They're entitled ya' know.
>
> Michael

I have a habit. It's very common, too. It also has an obnoxious
by-product.

On occasion, I like to drink a beer or three. Maybe more.

The obnoxious by-product from my beer is urine.

How about I stand on the table and **** all over your clothes and hair?
Wait, I wouldn't have to stand on the table if you're still sitting down
eating, would I?

BOB

On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:37:52 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>it's outside, for god's sake, not in a pressurized chamber.

It doesn't matter where they smoke. Nonsmokers end up wearing the
smoke home and often have to take a shower and wash their hair to
fully rid themselves of cigarette stink.

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"Michael "Dog3"" > ha scritto nel messaggio
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> sf <.> : in
> rec.food.cooking
>>
>> Yes, it's all about me and my self preservation. At least we're not
>> starting fires or littering our environment with our cast off
>> cigarette butts.
>
> No but... my bitching people blabbing on a cell phone in the car while
> weaving is all about me and my self preservation. Bitching about unruly,
> snot nosed kids who don't give a crap about anyone else is about self
> preservation.
>
>>
>> The worst flight I ever took was when the airlines still had a smoking
>> section (and the same poor ventilation they have today). I was
>> assigned a seat the row in front of two cigar smokers and there was no
>> place to move (I asked). After being stuck on that plane for a cross
>> country flight, I emerged looking green and feeling like I had the flu
>> - I was actually barfing. It took me more than 24 hours to feel
>> better.
>
> I'm all for banning smoking in flights, office buildings and other public
> places. As a smoker I'll allow that it stinks up and inside place. I
> can't see banning it in bars... at all. The outside doesn't belong to
> just non-smokers.
>
> Michael

You know, I thought I was one of the more mature people here, but as hard as
I try I can not remember a time when smoking cigars or pipes was EVER
allowed on a flight. AAMOF, I recall that it was specifically stated that
the smoking area was strictly for cigarettes and pipes or cigars were not
permitted.

Now maybe if you go back to cloth covered biplane beginnings of aviation
it's different.

On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:29:58 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Sat 07 Jun 2008 10:19:59a, sf told us...
>
>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:36:53 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't get me started about people who toss
>>> their cigarettes out the car window, or use the beach as a giant ash
>>> tray.
>>
>> Yeah, I don't get it either. Smokers are all about themselves, fire
>> hazard and litter issues are not their problem.
>>
>
>As a smoker, I would agree, Barbara, but I would also say that non-
>smokers' attitudes are all about themselves. I'm a polite and neat smoker,
>but I'm still damned by the non-smokers. Well, those that damn me can go
>to hell, too. And there's no trying to defend the non-smokers' attitudes
>as far as I'm concerned.

there was article in the may 31 wash. *post* on actors smoking
on-stage in theater productions which i thought was pretty pathetic:

Ever since 2003 when New York City banned smoking in enclosed public
spaces, theater directors have been walking a thin line between
artistic freedom and legal necessity. Under a special exemption for
the arts, theaters are allowed to use tobacco-free cigarettes --
usually sweet-smelling herbal cigarettes.

[...]

How does secondhand smoke in theaters affect audience members? Some
aren't bothered at all. Vincent Cali, a Texan who recently saw "The
Country Girl," is forgiving, noting that the smell cleared quickly
after the initial blast. "It goes with the '50s," he said with the
shrug.

But while herbal smoke generally doesn't linger on the audience as
much as the tobacco equivalent, theater staff admit that some audience
members see it as an intrusion from a less socially aware time.

"In a small theater, or where the audience surrounds the stage, the
audience is always out of control as soon as a cigarette is pulled
out," says Stiff.

"Some people really do get worked up," reports Bartlett Sher, the
director of the Tony-nominated "South Pacific." "You will hear people
coughing their lungs out on purpose as soon as an actor lights a
single cigarette."

[...]

Some actors report that anti-smoking protests are far worse in
health-conscious Los Angeles.

Geraldine Hughes, who played Sylvester Stallone's love interest in
2006's "Rocky Balboa," recalls taking a single drag from a cigarette
during a performance of "Kevin's Bed" at the Laguna Playhouse.

"There were huge signs in the lobby that said: 'THERE WILL BE SMOKING
ON STAGE.' I was only allowed to take one puff and put it out, and
even then people coughed and made a big stink about it," she says.

(more at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...053002737.html
)

i mean, that's just ****ing sad.

your pal,
blake

Michael "Dog3" said...

> Andy <q> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> Agreed. What's wrong with some people? Is the word "oblivious"? And
>> I'll one better ya. The filters don't decay. They'll be around for
>> hundreds of years.
>
> Now Andy. There has to be items you use on a regular basis whose
> containers are non degradable and will be around hundreds of years.
>
> Michael


Michael,

Perhaps, none that I'm aware of. Speaking of food packaging, there's an
over abundance of over-packaging, some of which MIGHT hang around awhile.

Best,

Andy

"blake murphy" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:29:58 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
> Ever since 2003 when New York City banned smoking in enclosed public
> spaces, theater directors have been walking a thin line between
> artistic freedom and legal necessity. Under a special exemption for
> the arts, theaters are allowed to use tobacco-free cigarettes --
> usually sweet-smelling herbal cigarettes.
>
> [...]
>

>
> But while herbal smoke generally doesn't linger on the audience as
> much as the tobacco equivalent, theater staff admit that some audience
> members see it as an intrusion from a less socially aware time.
>
> "In a small theater, or where the audience surrounds the stage, the
> audience is always out of control as soon as a cigarette is pulled
> out," says Stiff.
>
> "Some people really do get worked up," reports Bartlett Sher, the
> director of the Tony-nominated "South Pacific." "You will hear people
> coughing their lungs out on purpose as soon as an actor lights a
> single cigarette."
>
> [...]
>
> Some actors report that anti-smoking protests are far worse in
> health-conscious Los Angeles.
>
> Geraldine Hughes, who played Sylvester Stallone's love interest in
> 2006's "Rocky Balboa," recalls taking a single drag from a cigarette
> during a performance of "Kevin's Bed" at the Laguna Playhouse.
>
> "There were huge signs in the lobby that said: 'THERE WILL BE SMOKING
> ON STAGE.' I was only allowed to take one puff and put it out, and
> even then people coughed and made a big stink about it," she says.
>
> i mean, that's just ****ing sad.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>
It sounds like they think there ar Tony awards for the sudience.