Most restaurants have paintings or pictures up on their walls. I don't know
if they are "great art," but they are generally pleasant, pastoral scenes.

My first nominee for dumbest restaurant decor is in TGI Friday's,and a bunch
of others, I think, with their replicated "antiques" hanging from the walls.
To me it looks like Fred Sanford's replicated junk. Somebody must like it
though, because I saw a show (Unwrapped, maybe) that said that the
replicated junk business is big business, selling mostly to restaurants.

I think the winner goes to a Mcdonald's about a mile down the road from
where I live. It has a fake fireplace in it, I know it is not a real
fireplace, and being that the McDonald's is in Tucson, AZ, it has no real
need of actually even putting out any heat, which I don't think it does
anyway.

It just looks so out of place, especially in the summer when it is >= 100
degrees out. There are lots of other things that I think should have been
done with the space, but I suppose it is too late to do anything now without
closing the place for however long for remodeling.

Brian Christiansen

On Jun 2, 9:45*am, "Brian Christiansen" >
wrote:
[snip]
> I think the winner goes to a Mcdonald's about a mile down the road from
> where I live. *It has a fake fireplace in it, I know it is not a real
> fireplace, and being that the McDonald's is in Tucson, AZ, it has no real
> need of actually even putting out any heat, which I don't think it does
> anyway. [snip]

Funny. Also funny to use "McDonald's" and "restaurant" in the same
post..... -aem

"aem" > wrote in message
...

Funny. Also funny to use "McDonald's" and "restaurant" in the same
post..... -aem

Well, at least McDonald's doesn't have the same level of pretentiousness
that TGI Friday's does.

Brian Christiansen

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:45:52 -0700, "Brian Christiansen"
> wrote:

>My first nominee for dumbest restaurant decor is in TGI Friday's,

You ain't gonna get any pretensious participant to this fourm even
ADMIT they would go to those types of restaurants.

At least Ruby Tuesday got with the program and took all that crap
down. I love those mini's! And the crab burger is really tasty!

On Jun 2, 12:59*pm, "Brian Christiansen"
> wrote:
> "aem" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> Funny. *Also funny to use "McDonald's" and "restaurant" in the same
> post..... * -aem
>
> Well, at least McDonald's doesn't have the same level of pretentiousness
> that TGI Friday's does.

That is very true, and Friday's doesn't have a Dollar Menu.
>
> Brian Christiansen

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On Mon 02 Jun 2008 03:49:51p, Billy told us...

> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:45:52 -0700, "Brian Christiansen"
> > wrote:
>
>>My first nominee for dumbest restaurant decor is in TGI Friday's,
>
> You ain't gonna get any pretensious participant to this fourm even
> ADMIT they would go to those types of restaurants.
>
> At least Ruby Tuesday got with the program and took all that crap
> down. I love those mini's! And the crab burger is really tasty!

Well, I'm not pretentious and I really don't think that most of the
formulaic chains are *that* bad, but a lot depends on which particular
restaurant you go to. There is a certain Red Robin and Red Lobster that I
occasionally go to because their food is actually very well prepared. The
Ruby Tuesday that's closest to where I live serves garbage, but the one
near where I work is quite good. I think a lot depends on the management.

Mind you, I'm not look for gourmet meals when I go to any of these places,
but if what they serve is decent, I don't mind going.

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"Billy" <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:45:52 -0700, "Brian Christiansen"
> > wrote:
>
>>My first nominee for dumbest restaurant decor is in TGI Friday's,
>
> You ain't gonna get any pretensious participant to this fourm even
> ADMIT they would go to those types of restaurants.
>
> At least Ruby Tuesday got with the program and took all that crap
> down. I love those mini's! And the crab burger is really tasty!
>
>
Yes, the minis are pretty good, but the food is so overpriced. We go there
mainly because one of my best friends works there. My boyfriend hates it.
He does have better taste than I do, I must concede.

I like to order a sandwich with the salad bar, fill up on salad, and take
everything else home. It's the only way I feel like it's worth what they
charge.

HH

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:45:52 -0700, "Brian Christiansen"
> wrote:

>I think the winner goes to a Mcdonald's about a mile down the road from
>where I live. It has a fake fireplace in it, I know it is not a real
>fireplace, and being that the McDonald's is in Tucson, AZ, it has no real
>need of actually even putting out any heat, which I don't think it does
>anyway.
>
>It just looks so out of place, especially in the summer when it is >= 100
>degrees out. There are lots of other things that I think should have been
>done with the space, but I suppose it is too late to do anything now without
>closing the place for however long for remodeling.

I've heard that AZ is getting more humid because transplants have
GRASS yards which, of course, require watering and - well, you know
the rest. IMO... McDonald's customers must be nostalgic about where
they came from. So, putting a fake fireplace in the establishment
shows that McDonald's knows their customers better than you do.

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On Mon 02 Jun 2008 08:40:53p, sf told us...

> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:45:52 -0700, "Brian Christiansen"
> > wrote:
>
>>I think the winner goes to a Mcdonald's about a mile down the road from
>>where I live. It has a fake fireplace in it, I know it is not a real
>>fireplace, and being that the McDonald's is in Tucson, AZ, it has no
>>real need of actually even putting out any heat, which I don't think it
>>does anyway.
>>
>>It just looks so out of place, especially in the summer when it is >=
>>100 degrees out. There are lots of other things that I think should
>>have been done with the space, but I suppose it is too late to do
>>anything now without closing the place for however long for remodeling.
>
> I've heard that AZ is getting more humid because transplants have
> GRASS yards which, of course, require watering and - well, you know
> the rest. IMO... McDonald's customers must be nostalgic about where
> they came from. So, putting a fake fireplace in the establishment
> shows that McDonald's knows their customers better than you do.
>

Many newer communities in the greater Phoenix area are either controlling
or prohibiting the establishment of lawns.

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> I've heard that AZ is getting more humid because transplants have
> GRASS yards which, of course, require watering and - well, you know
> the rest. IMO... McDonald's customers must be nostalgic about where
> they came from. So, putting a fake fireplace in the establishment
> shows that McDonald's knows their customers better than you do.
>
Hmmm...
1. Still looks totally out of place in >= 100 degree heat.

2. All the comments I have heard other people make is that it is stupid
decor as well.

Brian Christiansen

On Jun 2, 8:46*pm, "hamburger helper" > wrote:
> "Billy" <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> wrote in message
>
> ... > On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:45:52 -0700, "Brian Christiansen"
> > > wrote:
>
> >>My first nominee for dumbest restaurant decor is in TGI Friday's,
>
> > You ain't gonna get any pretensious participant *to this fourm even
> > ADMIT they would go to those types of restaurants.
>
> > At least Ruby Tuesday got with the program and took all that crap
> > down. * *I love those mini's! * And the crab burger is really tasty!
>
> Yes, the minis are pretty good, but the food is so overpriced. *We go there
> mainly because one of my best friends works there. *My boyfriend hates it.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Many newer communities in the greater Phoenix area are either controlling
> or prohibiting the establishment of lawns.
>
Good! They should have done that from the beginning.

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"Jean B." > wrote

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Many newer communities in the greater Phoenix area are either controlling
>> or prohibiting the establishment of lawns.
>>
> Good! They should have done that from the beginning.

I looked at the alarming state of Lake Mead, then drove
around Las Vegas and thought, why are these people trying
to grow grass?? I never took such short showers as the
few days I spent there. Yikes.

nancy

On Jun 2, 6:49*pm, Billy <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:45:52 -0700, "Brian Christiansen"
>
> > wrote:
> >My first nominee for dumbest restaurant decor is in TGI Friday's,
>
> You ain't gonna get any pretensious participant *to this fourm even
> ADMIT they would go to those types of restaurants. *

However, you might get the unpretentious ones to do so. I don't often
take the opportunity to go to chain restaurants because there are
quite
a few wonderful mom-and-pop places around here. They need my business
far more than Friday's does.

However, when I get the chance I almost always go to Hooter's. There
isn't one in Ann Arbor, so I always keep an eye out when I'm
traveling.
Or Perkin's for breakfast, since my appetite for Three Mile Island
wings
is very low at about 6 am.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:35:36 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Bobo Bonobo® > news:5f840e8c-c950-481e-8232-
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> That is very true, and Friday's doesn't have a Dollar Menu.
>
>They might as well
>
>Michael

the last time i had a burger at t.g.i.'s it was almost as bad as
mcdougal's. a little thicker, not much better.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:34:42 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>"Brian Christiansen" > news:MyW0k.3510$xZ.775
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> "aem" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> Funny. Also funny to use "McDonald's" and "restaurant" in the same
>> post..... -aem
>>
>> Well, at least McDonald's doesn't have the same level of pretentiousness
>> that TGI Friday's does.
>
>Years and years ago there was a group of people from work that would go to
>TGIF's for happy hours and then dinner afterwards. I'd go sometimes. It
>was always my opinion that the restaurant catered to the demographics of
>the 25 to 35 or 40 year old age group, all stressed out with high pressure
>jobs and/or careers. I might be mistaken about that. I never did fit in
>with that crowd and stopped going with them and opted for my fave local pub
>instead.
>
>Michael

a real bar is almost always better than a chain.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:34:42 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> > wrote:
>
>> "Brian Christiansen" > news:MyW0k.3510$xZ.775
>> @nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com: in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> "aem" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Funny. Also funny to use "McDonald's" and "restaurant" in the same
>>> post..... -aem
>>>
>>> Well, at least McDonald's doesn't have the same level of pretentiousness
>>> that TGI Friday's does.
>> Years and years ago there was a group of people from work that would go to
>> TGIF's for happy hours and then dinner afterwards. I'd go sometimes. It
>> was always my opinion that the restaurant catered to the demographics of
>> the 25 to 35 or 40 year old age group, all stressed out with high pressure
>> jobs and/or careers. I might be mistaken about that. I never did fit in
>> with that crowd and stopped going with them and opted for my fave local pub
>> instead.
>>
>> Michael
>
> a real bar is almost always better than a chain.
>
> your pal,
> blake

I think a real bar or restaurant is always better than a chain. I am
getting really tired of the constant applebees drum beating that their
store #4079 is my "neighborhood place".

>> Yes, the minis are pretty good, but the food is so overpriced.

Ruby's has their menu priced equal to the competition, i.e. Chili's,
Appleby's. What do you believe is overpriced at Ruby's?

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:30:37 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

> FWIW, I don't care much for
>chain restaurants with the exception of IHOP and Waffle House

To each his own...I find that to be the worst of the worst....Huddle
House beat out Waffle house. And THANK GOD they finally got rid of
smoking in those "diners" here in Tennessee. Now you can actually
sit inside without gagging on the blue fog of cigarette exhaust.

Billy wrote:
>>> Yes, the minis are pretty good, but the food is so overpriced.
>
> Ruby's has their menu priced equal to the competition, i.e. Chili's,
> Appleby's. What do you believe is overpriced at Ruby's?

Considering what it is, all of the chain restaurant stuff is overpriced.
It's mostly prefab, delivered by Hardins-Sysco and other such companies.
And the produce - when I worked in restaurants in Memphis (Red Lobster &
O'Charley's, both chains, both years apart) it was a local company called
Palazola Produce delivering questionable vegetables from who-knows-where.

Aside from the food being mostly mediocre is the uniformity. I don't want
to have the same menu choices in Kansas City that I had in Dallas. If you
like that sort of thing, more power to you. I happen to prefer different
selections. As for the decor, it's like they took a photo and hired people
to make every restaurant look the same inside.

Jill

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:10:46 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>Aside from the food being mostly mediocre is the uniformity. I don't want
>to have the same menu choices in Kansas City that I had in Dallas. If you
>like that sort of thing, more power to you.

Some people don't like surprises and actually value that sort of
uniformity.

>I happen to prefer different
>selections. As for the decor, it's like they took a photo and hired people
>to make every restaurant look the same inside.

Sounds like Disneyland. Another questionable, but popular,
destination.

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sf said...

> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:10:46 -0500, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>>Aside from the food being mostly mediocre is the uniformity. I don't
want
>>to have the same menu choices in Kansas City that I had in Dallas. If
you
>>like that sort of thing, more power to you.
>
> Some people don't like surprises and actually value that sort of
> uniformity.
>
>>I happen to prefer different
>>selections. As for the decor, it's like they took a photo and hired
people
>>to make every restaurant look the same inside.
>
> Sounds like Disneyland. Another questionable, but popular,
> destination.


Dizzyland is a major illusion except the turkey legs.

Andy

sf <.> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:10:46 -0500, "jmcquown"
> > wrote:
>
> > Aside from the food being mostly mediocre is
> > the uniformity. [..]

> Some people don't like surprises and actually value
> that sort of uniformity.

My in-laws are like this. If they're traveling across the US,
they will stop at a chain they know versus the "diner" because
the chances are very high that what they receive at one is
mimicked across the chain. Now there are times that this
_isn't_ true and backfires badly (Denny's in LA and Sizzler
Blight are two examples the FIL really loves to relive). But
they are becoming very conservative in what they want and what
they can handle food-wise so uniformity and blandness work for
them.

Me, I'm as likely to try the local shops. It's backfired on me
more than I like to remember... Go figure.

The Ranger

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:45:25 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>If you don't like the smoke, simply dine elsewhere.

Tennessee dining is smoke FREE at every restaurant. Not an issue any
longer.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:23:10 -0700, "The Ranger"
> wrote:

>sf <.> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:10:46 -0500, "jmcquown"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Aside from the food being mostly mediocre is
>> > the uniformity. [..]
>
>> Some people don't like surprises and actually value
>> that sort of uniformity.
>
I get it. I'm not at that point in life, but I've known enough "older
relatives" to know that's true.

*I* certainly don't want any variation between specific dishes in a
national chain, because I remember trying to introduce a friend to a
chain that I loved on the West Coast but the branch I took her to in
DC dropped the ball on everything I ordered. I can understand it when
you're going between independent restaurants - you order by generic
name and hope that the local owner/cook makes it the way you love....
but between restaurant links in a national chain? If they drop the
ball, that's disappointing to say the least.

>My in-laws are like this. If they're traveling across the US,
>they will stop at a chain they know versus the "diner" because
>the chances are very high that what they receive at one is
>mimicked across the chain.

>Now there are times that this
>_isn't_ true and backfires badly (Denny's in LA and Sizzler
>Blight

Blight with no quotation marks? Did you mean Blythe, CA?

>are two examples the FIL really loves to relive). But
>they are becoming very conservative in what they want and what
>they can handle food-wise so uniformity and blandness work for
>them.
>
>Me, I'm as likely to try the local shops. It's backfired on me
>more than I like to remember... Go figure.

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fool's gold.



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On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:08:14 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>I'm happy for you. Enjoy the restaurants while they can still afford to
>stay open

A non-smoking policy will *not* kill them (SF has BTDT as have many,
many other communities).... but a continuation of the current national
economic trend will.

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On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:08:14 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>I'm happy for you. Enjoy the restaurants while they can still afford to
>stay open

Unless we run out of food, closure is impossible. Everyone needs to
eat....no one NEEDS to smoke.

On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:12:55 -0400, Billy <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom>
wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:08:14 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:
>
>>I'm happy for you. Enjoy the restaurants while they can still afford to
>>stay open
>
Unless we run out of food, closure is impossible. Everyone needs to
eat....no one NEEDS to smoke.

Florida has become non smoking state wide also. Actually, 60% of
states have some smoking ban in restaurants.

http://www.smokefreeworld.com/usa.shtml

On Wed 04 Jun 2008 04:08:14p, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> Billy <Hereiam@hotmaildotcom> news:151e44dhbpjkudd287s43bn45rb69mc2tm@
> 4ax.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:45:25 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>If you don't like the smoke, simply dine elsewhere.
>>
>> Tennessee dining is smoke FREE at every restaurant. Not an issue any
>> longer.
>
> I'm happy for you. Enjoy the restaurants while they can still afford to
> stay open
>
> Michael
>

In much of AZ many restaurants have been smoke free for years :-( As of
this year, every dining and drinking establishment is smoke free. The bars
are really hurting, from what I read in the paper. So far, at least,
restaurants with outside patio dining can still offer an area where smoking
is permitted. We often eat outside!

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On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:16:24 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>It will not "kill" some of them. Many of them it will, especially the
>local pubs and sports bars.

Absolutely NOT. Pubs and sports bars thrive. There were plenty of
non smokers who avoided them *because* of the smoke who now patronize
them.

>The trickle effect will not be noticed too
>much until the local municipalities, cities, states begin to wonder where
>in hell the tax money went that it used to collect from these places.

They bump up the gas tax, of course.

>Then of course they'll have to modify the smoking laws and then find
>another source of revenue to plump up the larder. IOW, they'll have to
>find a new "bad guy" to tax to death. I'm guessing they'll start laying
>down heavy fines for using the mobile phone while driving.

It's coming in July here. I've avoided too many distracted one handed
drivers to care. I wish it was in force now.

>Other than
>that I can't think of another public nuisance they could dream up to tax.
>Alcohol, tobacco and gasoline are already taxed to death. Yes, they'll
>have to drum a "bad guy" out of the woodwork that the gullible public can
>be led to revile and coerce into taxing. Hmmm... How's about the home
>chimney tax? Smoke comes out of the chimney. It's bad for you. Let's tax
>it.

Many communities have outlawed wood burning, period. You can't even
use charcoal grills. Where I live, if you like fireplaces and
chimneys - be very thoughtful about converting to gas because you will
never be able to convert back. Personally, I love the smell of wood
smoke. I should have been a fireman.


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> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:23:10 -0700, "The Ranger"
> > wrote:
>> sf <.> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:10:46 -0500, "jmcquown"
>>> > wrote:

>>> > Aside from the food being mostly mediocre is
>>> > the uniformity. [..]

>>> Some people don't like surprises and actually value
>>> that sort of uniformity.

> I get it. I'm not at that point in life, but I've known
> enough "older relatives" to know that's true.

Kids and seniors (generally) tend to move away from the unknown
and unfamiliar. My gahdmother is one of the most adventurous
people I've ever met but she has her menu set in stone. She
gets really bent when one item isn't available or differs
slightly.

>> Now there are times that this
>> _isn't_ true and backfires badly (Denny's in LA
>> and Sizzler Blight

> Blight with no quotation marks? Did you mean
> Blythe, CA?

"Blight" or "Blythe" -- it comes down to the same thing.

>> Me, I'm as likely to try the local shops. It's backfired
>> on me more than I like to remember... Go figure.

> You're adventuresome. Sometimes you discover gold,
> sometimes it's fool's gold.

That's often SWMBO's take. She loves reminding me of some of
the less-fulfilling choices I've made on our roadtrips. "I
think this place looks like ZXY in Capitan... Remember what it
did to you for X days afterwards? Let's try something more
familiar."

The Ranger

On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:47:12 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Wayne Boatwright >
86.120: in
>rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> In much of AZ many restaurants have been smoke free for years :-( As
>> of this year, every dining and drinking establishment is smoke free.
>> The bars are really hurting, from what I read in the paper. So far,
>> at least, restaurants with outside patio dining can still offer an
>> area where smoking is permitted. We often eat outside!
>
>Personally I just don't see why the governing bodies don't just leave it
>alone. Seriously, if a bar or restaurant wants to either allow or ban
>smoking, whose business is it? The non-smokers are free to go to the non-
>smoking restaurants and the smokers are free to go to the smoking
>establishments. All the laws do is force people to congregate on the
>sidewalks to get in their puffs. Too many busy-bodies in the world worrying
>about everyone else's habits and lifestyle when their real scrutiny should
>begin at their own front door.
>
>Michael


Since I live in the middle of the tobacco belt, getting legislation to
ban smoking ain't gonna happen. Individual restaurants and businesses
can ban smoking and several have. The local school system has
completely banned smoking and the hospital as banned it on the entire
campus. The hospital used to have a shed outside for smoking.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
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On Thu 05 Jun 2008 05:47:12a, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> Wayne Boatwright >
> 6.120: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> In much of AZ many restaurants have been smoke free for years :-( As
>> of this year, every dining and drinking establishment is smoke free.
>> The bars are really hurting, from what I read in the paper. So far,
>> at least, restaurants with outside patio dining can still offer an
>> area where smoking is permitted. We often eat outside!
>
> Personally I just don't see why the governing bodies don't just leave it
> alone. Seriously, if a bar or restaurant wants to either allow or ban
> smoking, whose business is it? The non-smokers are free to go to the
> non- smoking restaurants and the smokers are free to go to the smoking
> establishments. All the laws do is force people to congregate on the
> sidewalks to get in their puffs. Too many busy-bodies in the world
> worrying about everyone else's habits and lifestyle when their real
> scrutiny should begin at their own front door.
>
> Michael
>
>
>

EXACTLY! Like they have nothing better to do.

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Michael "Dog3" wrote:


>
> It will not "kill" some of them. Many of them it will, especially the
> local pubs and sports bars. The trickle effect will not be noticed too
> much until the local municipalities, cities, states begin to wonder where
> in hell the tax money went that it used to collect from these places.

Oh, I don't know. I never go to sports bars or pubs, or casinos for
that matter, because of the smoke. I'd definitely be open to visiting
these places if I didn't have to breathe other people's second hand
smoke and come home smelling like an ashtray and needing to shower and
shampoo to avoid contaminating the bedding.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 05 Jun 2008 05:47:12a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright >
>> 6.120: in
>> rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> In much of AZ many restaurants have been smoke free for years :-( As
>>> of this year, every dining and drinking establishment is smoke free.
>>> The bars are really hurting, from what I read in the paper. So far,
>>> at least, restaurants with outside patio dining can still offer an
>>> area where smoking is permitted. We often eat outside!
>> Personally I just don't see why the governing bodies don't just leave it
>> alone. Seriously, if a bar or restaurant wants to either allow or ban
>> smoking, whose business is it? The non-smokers are free to go to the
>> non- smoking restaurants and the smokers are free to go to the smoking
>> establishments. All the laws do is force people to congregate on the
>> sidewalks to get in their puffs. Too many busy-bodies in the world
>> worrying about everyone else's habits and lifestyle when their real
>> scrutiny should begin at their own front door.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>
> EXACTLY! Like they have nothing better to do.
>
The damned politicians here are talking about banning smoking within 50
feet of buildings instead of just inside them. Seems some folks have
been bitching about smokers in the outside waiting area at our airport.
Sheesh! Give me a break. I went cold turkey on a five-pack a day habit
fourteen years ago and the smokers don't bother me. <Twitch, twitch?\>

On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:02:23 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>and then I'll take it to the highest court in the land.

Be careful what you wish for.....

On Thu 05 Jun 2008 12:35:40p, George Shirley told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Thu 05 Jun 2008 05:47:12a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright >
>>> 6.120: in
>>> rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>> In much of AZ many restaurants have been smoke free for years :-( As
>>>> of this year, every dining and drinking establishment is smoke free.
>>>> The bars are really hurting, from what I read in the paper. So far,
at
>>>> least, restaurants with outside patio dining can still offer an area
>>>> where smoking is permitted. We often eat outside!
>>> Personally I just don't see why the governing bodies don't just leave
it
>>> alone. Seriously, if a bar or restaurant wants to either allow or ban
>>> smoking, whose business is it? The non-smokers are free to go to the
>>> non- smoking restaurants and the smokers are free to go to the smoking
>>> establishments. All the laws do is force people to congregate on the
>>> sidewalks to get in their puffs. Too many busy-bodies in the world
>>> worrying about everyone else's habits and lifestyle when their real
>>> scrutiny should begin at their own front door.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> EXACTLY! Like they have nothing better to do.
>>
> The damned politicians here are talking about banning smoking within 50
> feet of buildings instead of just inside them. Seems some folks have
> been bitching about smokers in the outside waiting area at our airport.
> Sheesh! Give me a break. I went cold turkey on a five-pack a day habit
> fourteen years ago and the smokers don't bother me. <Twitch, twitch?\>
>

In AZ smoking is banned within 25 feet of building entrances.

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Wayne Boatwright
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Patience is the wise man's weapon
against the flow of time.
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Kathleen wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
>
>>
>> It will not "kill" some of them. Many of them it will, especially the
>> local pubs and sports bars. The trickle effect will not be noticed
>> too much until the local municipalities, cities, states begin to
>> wonder where in hell the tax money went that it used to collect from
>> these places.
>
> Oh, I don't know. I never go to sports bars or pubs, or casinos for
> that matter, because of the smoke. I'd definitely be open to visiting
> these places if I didn't have to breathe other people's second hand
> smoke and come home smelling like an ashtray and needing to shower and
> shampoo to avoid contaminating the bedding.
>
Same here and I am quite sure we are not the only ones.

On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:37:13 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>It would serve you
>better to be careful of what you say to strangers.

That sound threatening. Was that your intent?

Oh...and by the way....YOU do that every day....right here and we can
document it.

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
6.121...
> Janet Baraclough >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> The message 1>
>> from "Michael \"Dog3\"" > contains these words:
>>
>>
>>> Personally I just don't see why the governing bodies don't just leave
>>> it alone. Seriously, if a bar or restaurant wants to either allow or
>>> ban smoking, whose business is it? The non-smokers are free to go to
>>> the non- smoking restaurants and the smokers are free to go to the
>>> smoking establishments.
>>
>> But employees in places where customers smoke, inhale that second
>> hand smoke all day long.
>
> They always have the option of working elsewhere. I don't believe all
> the second hand smoke stuff anyway. People have been breathing in second
> hand smoke in one way or another since fire was discovered.

And getting cancer. God but you are an idiot. I suspected it, now I know it
for
sure.

I smoked for 25 years. I LOVED my cigarettes. I had NO idea how bad
they smell until I quit. You walk around in a stench, forget the health
concerns. And the MONEY you waste.

Better you than me.