On Sun 08 Jun 2008 12:25:38a, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:56:49 -0700, sf <.> wrote:
>
> I may not be addicted to
>>cigarettes - but I'm addicted to pretty glasses (crystal) and dishes
>>(china). If I had more cupboards, I'd have more of both.
>
> I have been thinking, that when and if you come out here for a visit
> (along with Koko, Kimberly and possibly Wayne), I will get out my
> mother's china and silverware... I never get to use it..and it makes
> such a pretty table....
>
> But then, it would demand a dinner to match... Decisions,
> decisons....
>
> Christine
>

It could be an elegant but simple dinner.

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On Sun 08 Jun 2008 12:42:14a, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:38:14 -0700, sf <.> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:25:38 -0600, Christine Dabney
> wrote:
>>
>>>I have been thinking, that when and if you come out here for a visit
>>>(along with Koko, Kimberly and possibly Wayne), I will get out my
>>>mother's china and silverware... I never get to use it..and it makes
>>>such a pretty table....
>>>
>>>But then, it would demand a dinner to match... Decisions,
>>>decisons....
>>
>>Here's my idea... get it out and use it. We can have hot dogs, bbq or
>>something really fancy, but let's take it out and USE it! OK? No
>>paper plates - we'll use your Mom's china. I'll even let you load your
>>dishwasher, so you'll know nothing will bang and chip!
>
> Paper plates??!!! Surely you jest, woman!!!!! I never EVER use paper
> plates.... how disgusting!!!
>
> I think something fancy might be fun, but that is just me. But we can
> do bbq too....I got that smoker, remember??
>
> And this china NEVER goes in the dishwasher......

Agreed and understood. I have my mother's china, and it cannot go in the
dishwasher. The 24K rim would be destroyed. Gold trimmed china today can
usually go in the dishwasher because an extra glaze was applied aver the
gold.

Before I sold my Wedgewood Queensware and Chinese import ware, I did
routinely wash them in the dishwasher.

I've never worried about breakage and have never lost a piece. I'm a very
careful loader.

> Plus I have some really pretty serving dishes...crystal and the
> like..etched glass. I love to use those things.

I have some nice crystal and silver serving pieces, too. Unfortunately,
they rarely see the light of day, as we seldom entertain.

> Now Koko and Wayne and Kimberly will never show up here, if we get all
> fancy on them.....

Not true. I like fancy.

> Christine, thinking she might have to find some fancy cocktail glasses
> to match....
>



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On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 07:04:51 -0700, sf <.> wrote:


>Only if it has gold trim.

It does.

Christine

On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:21:42 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:


>Agreed and understood. I have my mother's china, and it cannot go in the
>dishwasher. The 24K rim would be destroyed. Gold trimmed china today can
>usually go in the dishwasher because an extra glaze was applied aver the
>gold.

I think this china is the same. It has a gold rim too, and Lamberton
stopped making this china many years ago. And from what I have read,
this pattern is not that easy to find anymore, even in antique stores.

This is the pattern. If you scroll down to say, one of the bowls, and
click on that, you can definitely see the gold rim.

http://www.replacements.com/webquote...tm?s1=KX&7082&

Christine

On Sun 08 Jun 2008 10:44:03a, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 07:04:51 -0700, sf <.> wrote:
>
>
>>Only if it has gold trim.
>
> It does.
>
> Christine
>

Then it absolutely must not go in the diswasher.

One caveat, however. If I have a lot of my mother's china to wash. I wash
thoroughly and lightly rinse by hand, but I do put it in the dishwasher and
run it through with no detergent. This insure that they are scrupulously
rinsed and dried. It's the detergent that eats the gold.

I read somewhere that hand washing and drying actually can put you more at
risk for breakage than in a *properly* loaded dishwasher.

Speaking of loading dishwashers, I won't let David load ours. If he
happens to, I make sure that I rearrange what he put in it before the cycle
is run. Far too many people load (or overload) in such a manner that items
risk being either scratched or broken. I'm a pro at loading. :-)

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On Sun 08 Jun 2008 10:54:36a, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:21:42 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Agreed and understood. I have my mother's china, and it cannot go in the
>>dishwasher. The 24K rim would be destroyed. Gold trimmed china today
can
>>usually go in the dishwasher because an extra glaze was applied aver the
>>gold.
>
> I think this china is the same. It has a gold rim too, and Lamberton
> stopped making this china many years ago. And from what I have read,
> this pattern is not that easy to find anymore, even in antique stores.
>
> This is the pattern. If you scroll down to say, one of the bowls, and
> click on that, you can definitely see the gold rim.
>
> http://www.replacements.com/webquote...tm?s1=KX&7082&
>
> Christine
>

What a lovely pattern! And, no, this china should never see dishwasher
detergent. It can, however, be rinsed and dried in one, as I commented
later in the thread.

The china I inherited from my mother was originally her grandmother's
china, so it is very old. I have never seen a picture of it anywhere, and
no reference to the pattern.

The service for twelve is missing only one dessert plate, and that was
dropped and broken by a guest who was helping clear the table years ago.

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On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:03:04 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:


>I read somewhere that hand washing and drying actually can put you more at
>risk for breakage than in a *properly* loaded dishwasher.
>
>Speaking of loading dishwashers, I won't let David load ours. If he
>happens to, I make sure that I rearrange what he put in it before the cycle
>is run. Far too many people load (or overload) in such a manner that items
>risk being either scratched or broken. I'm a pro at loading. :-)

Okay, you can load the dishwasher...and we can run it as you say.

This house does have a nice dishwasher..one with a "china" setting.
Not sure what that is...

Christine

On Sun 08 Jun 2008 11:10:27a, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:03:04 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I read somewhere that hand washing and drying actually can put you more
>>at risk for breakage than in a *properly* loaded dishwasher.
>>
>>Speaking of loading dishwashers, I won't let David load ours. If he
>>happens to, I make sure that I rearrange what he put in it before the
>>cycle is run. Far too many people load (or overload) in such a manner
>>that items risk being either scratched or broken. I'm a pro at loading.
>>:-)
>
> Okay, you can load the dishwasher...and we can run it as you say.
>
> This house does have a nice dishwasher..one with a "china" setting.
> Not sure what that is...
>
> Christine
>

Mine doesn't have a china setting either. The only difference in most
cases is that there are fewer wash cycles involved.

Mine does have a pots and pans cycle, and I usually use that for
everything, except when I'm rinsing the good china. Then I start at the
"normal" cycle. Works a treat.

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On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:18:27 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>Mine doesn't have a china setting either. The only difference in most
>cases is that there are fewer wash cycles involved.

I'd eliminate the dry cycle too. Mine has a button for that, it's
called Quick Wash.

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On Sun 08 Jun 2008 11:32:34a, sf told us...

> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:18:27 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>Mine doesn't have a china setting either. The only difference in most
>>cases is that there are fewer wash cycles involved.
>
> I'd eliminate the dry cycle too. Mine has a button for that, it's
> called Quick Wash.
>

Why? Mine also has a button for that, but I never use it unless I plan on
hand drying certain items like crystal that need to be both dried and
"polished".


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sf wrote:
>
> On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:33:46 -0600, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat 07 Jun 2008 01:29:12a, Giusi told us...
> >>
> >> > "Arri London" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> >> > ...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Victor Sack wrote:
> >> >>> If it is German-made, it could be Gefu, made by Gebrüder Funke.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Victor
> >> >>
> >> >> TY Just can't tell what the logo is. The box itself has no markings on
> >> >> it and the instructions have no company header either. Don't care
> >> >> actually LOL It works beautifully. Very heavy and well-constructed
> >> >> though.
> >> >
> >> > They pretty much all are. I think everyone should have one, if only
> >> > because it is the single small appliance that MUST NEVER be washed.
> >> > Wish my floor said that.
> >>
> >> How do you clean it? Just wipe it down and/or use a brush?
> >>
> >
> >Yes to both. I turn it upside down first and shake out the crumbs. Then
> >wipe the smooth rollers with a barely damp paper towel, followed by a
> >dry one. The cutting rollers are brushed out with a clean stiff
> >paintbrush meant just for that purpose. And then it's turned upside down
> >again just in case any crumbs are left.
>
> This sounds like an appliance I would never consider buying.... too
> much "be careful" involved (the term "retro" comes to mind). I have
> the same philosophy with clothing. If I can't wash it in the washer
> and dry it in the dryer.... it's not something I need.
>


It takes less time than cleaning out the microwave after a spatter! But
as always YMMV. I 'need' pasta so I 'need' a pasta machine

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> On Sat 07 Jun 2008 10:15:50p, sf told us...
>
> > On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:33:46 -0600, Arri London >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat 07 Jun 2008 01:29:12a, Giusi told us...
> >>>
> >>> > "Arri London" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> >>> > ...
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Victor Sack wrote:
> >>> >>> If it is German-made, it could be Gefu, made by Gebrüder Funke.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Victor
> >>> >>
> >>> >> TY Just can't tell what the logo is. The box itself has no
> >>> >> markings on it and the instructions have no company header either.
> >>> >> Don't care actually LOL It works beautifully. Very heavy and
> >>> >> well-constructed though.
> >>> >
> >>> > They pretty much all are. I think everyone should have one, if only
> >>> > because it is the single small appliance that MUST NEVER be washed.
> >>> > Wish my floor said that.
> >>>
> >>> How do you clean it? Just wipe it down and/or use a brush?
> >>>
> >>
> >>Yes to both. I turn it upside down first and shake out the crumbs. Then
> >>wipe the smooth rollers with a barely damp paper towel, followed by a
> >>dry one. The cutting rollers are brushed out with a clean stiff
> >>paintbrush meant just for that purpose. And then it's turned upside down
> >>again just in case any crumbs are left.
> >
> > This sounds like an appliance I would never consider buying.... too
> > much "be careful" involved (the term "retro" comes to mind). I have
> > the same philosophy with clothing. If I can't wash it in the washer
> > and dry it in the dryer.... it's not something I need.
> >
>
> I've been thinking about that, and I don't think I want one either. My
> cleaning philosophy in the kitchen is, if it won't go in the dishwasher, it
> doesn't get used or I don't buy it in the first place.
>
>

Ah well you wouldn't like our kitchen then. No dishwasher except me LOL.
The family china, crystal and silver/silverplate (all nice but not
antique) cannot go into a dw in any case. It gets used a few times a
year to keep it in condition, washed and dried carefully and put back in
the cabinet until the next occasion.

sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:02:10 -0600, Christine Dabney
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:59:46 -0700, sf <.> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:42:14 -0600, Christine Dabney
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>And this china NEVER goes in the dishwasher......
> >>
> >>Oh, come on.... I have 3 sets of grandmother's china and they ALL go
> >>into the dishwasher.
> >
> >Not mine!!! My mother never ever lost a piece of hers..and I don't
> >intend to start.
> >
> >If we do that and I lose a piece or two, you gotta replace it on your
> >own dime...
>
> Well, let me tell you this about that. I'm *very* good at loading a
> dishwasher. I can load to maximum capacity and not chip or break
> anything. However, I break dishes and glassware with regularity when
> I hand wash.
> >
> >LOL.
>
> I see me not doing dishes at your house. You *don't* want me hand
> washing anything of value.
> >
> >When you see this china, you might agree with me.....
>
> Only if it has gold trim.
> >
> >Barbarians!!!!! LOL.
> >
> >Christine, who will still feed ya good, if you come...
>


LOL one set of ours has platinum trim. The other set is hand-painted.

On Sun 08 Jun 2008 03:57:07p, Arri London told us...

>
>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> On Sat 07 Jun 2008 10:15:50p, sf told us...
>>
>> > On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:33:46 -0600, Arri London >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat 07 Jun 2008 01:29:12a, Giusi told us...
>> >>>
>> >>> > "Arri London" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> >>> > ...
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Victor Sack wrote:
>> >>> >>> If it is German-made, it could be Gefu, made by Gebrüder Funke.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Victor
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> TY Just can't tell what the logo is. The box itself has no
>> >>> >> markings on it and the instructions have no company header
>> >>> >> either. Don't care actually LOL It works beautifully. Very
>> >>> >> heavy and well-constructed though.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > They pretty much all are. I think everyone should have one, if
>> >>> > only because it is the single small appliance that MUST NEVER be
>> >>> > washed. Wish my floor said that.
>> >>>
>> >>> How do you clean it? Just wipe it down and/or use a brush?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Yes to both. I turn it upside down first and shake out the crumbs.
>> >>Then wipe the smooth rollers with a barely damp paper towel, followed
>> >>by a dry one. The cutting rollers are brushed out with a clean stiff
>> >>paintbrush meant just for that purpose. And then it's turned upside
>> >>down again just in case any crumbs are left.
>> >
>> > This sounds like an appliance I would never consider buying.... too
>> > much "be careful" involved (the term "retro" comes to mind). I have
>> > the same philosophy with clothing. If I can't wash it in the washer
>> > and dry it in the dryer.... it's not something I need.
>> >
>>
>> I've been thinking about that, and I don't think I want one either. My
>> cleaning philosophy in the kitchen is, if it won't go in the
>> dishwasher, it doesn't get used or I don't buy it in the first place.
>>
>>
>
> Ah well you wouldn't like our kitchen then. No dishwasher except me LOL.
> The family china, crystal and silver/silverplate (all nice but not
> antique) cannot go into a dw in any case. It gets used a few times a
> year to keep it in condition, washed and dried carefully and put back in
> the cabinet until the next occasion.

My old family china has gold trim that would be destroyed if washed in the
dishwasher, so I do hand wash and lightly rinse it, followed by a cycle in
the dishwasher without detergent. The good crystal and silver get washed
in the dishwasher, but is all hand dried to prevent spotting. But these
are things that are used mostly on holidays, not an everyday occurrence.

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Giusi wrote:
>
> "Arri London" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> ...
> And then it's turned upside down
> > again just in case any crumbs are left.
>
> In 30 years I have never had crumbs! I wonder why we have such different
> experiences?

All those machines are a little different in design. The crumbs
accumulate in the crevice where the rollers fit into the frame of the
machine. Most shake right out; takes a few seconds to get any strays
out. Hardly labour-intensive.

In article >, Arri London >
wrote:

> LOL ditto on the floors! Yes it is a pain to clean it without washing
> it. Doesn't come apart as much as I would have designed it to do.
> However a small paintbrush dedicated to that use works fine, as does
> much wiping with paper towels.

Five words: A can of compressed air.

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"Melba's Jammin'" > ha scritto nel messaggio
...
> In article >, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
>> LOL ditto on the floors! Yes it is a pain to clean it without washing
>> it. Doesn't come apart as much as I would have designed it to do.
>> However a small paintbrush dedicated to that use works fine, as does
>> much wiping with paper towels.
>
> Five words: A can of compressed air.
>
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior,

You have to pay for it and then landfill it. Whatì's wrong with a reusable
forever brush? Besides, all the canned air here is sold wet and that's just
nasty.
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> In article >, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
> > LOL ditto on the floors! Yes it is a pain to clean it without washing
> > it. Doesn't come apart as much as I would have designed it to do.
> > However a small paintbrush dedicated to that use works fine, as does
> > much wiping with paper towels.
>
> Five words: A can of compressed air.
>


Nah LOL. Not really food-grade is it? Brushing/towelling works fine and
takes very little time. If I can ever design one so that the rollers all
come out easily for wiping, will do it