Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?

The Ranger

The Ranger > wrote:

> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?

"In what?" Is the next question.

If I had to, I'd use allspice+clove+fennel, in small amounts each.

-sw

"The Ranger" > wrote in message
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> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>
> The Ranger

I wonder why you'd want one? I love the taste but if it makes
you ill or something...!

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Jim Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Sqwertz > wrote in message
...
> The Ranger > wrote:

>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>
> "In what?" Is the next question.

Baking; a "ginger" quickbread recipe calls for it and, much to
my embarrassment, this particular spice was old enough to have
solidified in its container.

> If I had to, I'd use allspice+clove+fennel, in small
> amounts each.

I thought of a combo of allspice and clove but would have never
thought to include fennel. Does that add that "licorice"
flavor?

The Ranger

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> "The Ranger" > wrote in message
> ndwidth
>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>
> I wonder why you'd want one? I love the taste
> but if it makes you ill or something...!

I'm not allergic to it but the bottle in my rack was old enough
to have become fossilized. And I didn't have a back-up of
whole-seed cardamom...
the Ranger

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
> wrote:

>Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>
Why would you want to do that? Cardamom is unique and wonderful.
Have you ever made cardamom bread?

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sf wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
> > wrote:
>
>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>
> Why would you want to do that? Cardamom is unique and wonderful.
> Have you ever made cardamom bread?

Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask me why

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message

> sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>>
>> Why would you want to do that? Cardamom is unique and
>> wonderful.
>> Have you ever made cardamom bread?
>
> Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask me why
>
> Jill

Afghans like it in coffee! It is quite good once in a while!

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Jim Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

sf <.> wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
> > wrote:
>>Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>
> Why would you want to do that?

Because I have none available for the recipe I wish to make?

> Have you ever made cardamom bread?

Nope; but if you have a recipe for such bread...

The Ranger

jmcquown > wrote in message
...
[snip]
> Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask
> me why

The Indians that I lunch with daily toast 'em [the cardamom
seeds] up with Serrano chilis and a little oil. AB-solutely
divine!

The Ranger

On 2008-06-07, The Ranger > wrote:
> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?

no

notbob > wrote in message
...
> On 2008-06-07, The Ranger > wrote:
>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>
> no

You're wrong! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

HA!

Ha-HA!

The Ranger

On 2008-06-07, The Ranger > wrote:

> Nope; but if you have a recipe for such bread...

geez Range, you on vacation in Idaho?

There should be half a dozen Indian markets within 10 mins of where you
live. Send a unit.

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2008-06-07, The Ranger > wrote:
>
>> Nope; but if you have a recipe for such bread...
>
> geez Range, you on vacation in Idaho?
>
> There should be half a dozen Indian markets within 10 mins of where
> you live. Send a unit.
>
> nb

Um, I don't think the daughter-units are old enough to drive

notbob > wrote in message
...
> On 2008-06-07, The Ranger > wrote:

>> Nope; but if you have a recipe for such bread...
>>
> geez Range, you on vacation in Idaho?

You'd be amazed!

> There should be half a dozen Indian markets within 10
> mins of where you live. Send a unit.

Six (within 10 minutes) and another five if I expand it by five
minutes. Three are only five minutes away.

As far as sending a daughter-unit, Spawn'd be game since she's
up at the crack of dawn but the older two are still waiting for
the second coming before they rise and shine.

Teenangsters...

The Ranger

jmcquown > wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
[snip]
>> There should be half a dozen Indian markets within 10
> mins of where you live. Send a unit.
>>
> Um, I don't think the daughter-units are old enough to drive
>

They got their bicycles! Biking and bus were good enough for me
'til I bought my first Chevette! It'll be good enough for them,
too. (Or they can hoof it about. They're young; distance
doesn't mean anything to them...)

The Ranger

On 2008-06-07, The Ranger > wrote:

> You're wrong! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

There is no sub for cardamom, believe me. The net can tell you toothpaste
is a substitute for peanutbutter, but that don't make it so. BTW, if you've
ever smelled fresh hing, you'd know that NOTHING can sub for that stuff
(cept maybe rotting corpses. Just a guess.).

nb

The Ranger > wrote:

> Sqwertz > wrote in message
> ...
>> The Ranger > wrote:
>
>>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>
>> If I had to, I'd use allspice+clove+fennel, in small
>> amounts each.
>
> I thought of a combo of allspice and clove but would have never
> thought to include fennel. Does that add that "licorice"
> flavor?

I kinda just pulled that out of my ass at the last minute. I do
kinda think it needs a slight bit more pungency that the fennel
offers than the clove or allspice alone can provide.

-sw

"notbob" > wrote in message

> On 2008-06-07, The Ranger > wrote:
>
>> You're wrong! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
>
> There is no sub for cardamom, believe me. The net can tell
> you
> toothpaste is a substitute for peanutbutter, but that don't
> make it
> so. BTW, if you've ever smelled fresh hing, you'd know that
> NOTHING
> can sub for that stuff (cept maybe rotting corpses. Just a
> guess.).
>
> nb

A few non-English names are in agreement with your opinion of
the smell of hing. From Gernot Katzer: "Some very picturesque
names (German Teufelsdreck, French merde du diable, Czech
certovo lejno, Swedish dyvelsträck and Turkish seytan tersi),
all meaning more or less politely "dung of devil", exemplify the
small enthusiasm this unusual spice meets outside the regions of
its traditional usage."

--
Jim Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2008-06-07, The Ranger > wrote:
>
> > You're wrong! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
>
> There is no sub for cardamom, believe me. The net can tell you toothpaste
> is a substitute for peanutbutter, but that don't make it so. BTW, if you've
> ever smelled fresh hing, you'd know that NOTHING can sub for that stuff
> (cept maybe rotting corpses. Just a guess.).

I think you've confused the asafoetida thread
with this one.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 10:34:22 -0700, "The Ranger"
> wrote:

>sf <.> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
>> > wrote:
>>>Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>>
>> Why would you want to do that?
>
>Because I have none available for the recipe I wish to make?
>
>> Have you ever made cardamom bread?
>
>Nope; but if you have a recipe for such bread...
>
Let me dig around in my file box. I used to make it a lot and it
makes great toast!

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jmcquown wrote:
> sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>>
>> Why would you want to do that? Cardamom is unique and wonderful.
>> Have you ever made cardamom bread?
>
> Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask me why
>
> Jill
>
>
Had an Arab friend who used to put cardamom seeds in a can of Folgers
coffee, only way he could stomach the stuff. Did give it an enticing odor.

On 2008-06-07, Mark Thorson > wrote:

> I think you've confused the asafoetida thread
> with this one.

I'm not confused. Are you?

nb

In article dth>,
"The Ranger" > wrote:

> jmcquown > wrote in message
> ...
> [snip]
> > Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask
> > me why
>
> The Indians that I lunch with daily toast 'em [the cardamom
> seeds] up with Serrano chilis and a little oil. AB-solutely
> divine!

A couple of times a year I throw some mushed cardamom pods and a broken
cinnamon stick in my coffee maker. It's a nice change. Never tried
serranos in my coffee, though.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

notbob wrote on Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:46:37 GMT:

>> I think you've confused the asafoetida thread
>> with this one.

> I'm not confused. Are you?


The asafetida thread might have been a better place for "the
smell of hing" but it wasn't really irrelevant and what does it
matter anyway? It gave me a chance to to quote Gernot Katzer on
the colorful names for hing, with which I tend to agree. It
doesn't smell quite so bad once it is cooked.
--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

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George Shirley wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>>>
>>> Why would you want to do that? Cardamom is unique and wonderful.
>>> Have you ever made cardamom bread?
>>
>> Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask me why
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>
> Had an Arab friend who used to put cardamom seeds in a can of Folgers
> coffee, only way he could stomach the stuff. Did give it an enticing
> odor.

Are you sure you don't mean 'scent' <g>

The Ranger wrote:
> notbob > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2008-06-07, The Ranger > wrote:
>>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>>
>> no
>
> You're wrong! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
>
> HA!
>
> Ha-HA!
>
> The Ranger
>
>
Why? Obviously, if you substitute something for the cardamom, the
effect will be different. That may be good or bad, who knows, but it
won't be the same.

--
Jean B.

Ophelia wrote:
> George Shirley wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> sf wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>>>>
>>>> Why would you want to do that? Cardamom is unique and wonderful.
>>>> Have you ever made cardamom bread?
>>> Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask me why
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>> Had an Arab friend who used to put cardamom seeds in a can of Folgers
>> coffee, only way he could stomach the stuff. Did give it an enticing
>> odor.
>
> Are you sure you don't mean 'scent' <g>
>
>
You ever snort any cardamom? That's an odor, a scent is faint.

George Shirley wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>> George Shirley wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you want to do that? Cardamom is unique and wonderful.
>>>>> Have you ever made cardamom bread?
>>>> Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask me why
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Had an Arab friend who used to put cardamom seeds in a can of
>>> Folgers coffee, only way he could stomach the stuff. Did give it an
>>> enticing odor.
>>
>> Are you sure you don't mean 'scent' <g>
>>
>>
> You ever snort any cardamom?

Nope! In India they used to give us seeds at the end of a meal. I
belive they were cardomom. Meant to sweeten he breath. I never partook
though

That's an odor, a scent is faint.

heh. If you say so

On 2008-06-07, Ophelia > wrote:

> Nope! In India they used to give us seeds at the end of a meal. I
> belive they were cardomom. Meant to sweeten he breath. I never partook
> though

Nope. Those are Mukhwas. Usually fennel or anise seeds. Sometimes plain, often
candy coated like a good n plenty.

nb

On Sat 07 Jun 2008 10:08:01a, James Silverton told us...

> "The Ranger" > wrote in message
> ndwidth
>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>
>> The Ranger
>
> I wonder why you'd want one? I love the taste but if it makes
> you ill or something...!
>

Furthermore, there is *no* substitute for cardamon.

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On Sat 07 Jun 2008 10:26:09a, jmcquown told us...

> sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>>
>> Why would you want to do that? Cardamom is unique and wonderful.
>> Have you ever made cardamom bread?
>
> Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask me why
>
> Jill
>
>

Okay, I won't ask, but I agree with her.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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having opinions is an art.
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On Sat 07 Jun 2008 12:20:27p, George Shirley told us...

> jmcquown wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>>>
>>> Why would you want to do that? Cardamom is unique and wonderful.
>>> Have you ever made cardamom bread?
>>
>> Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask me why
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>
> Had an Arab friend who used to put cardamom seeds in a can of Folgers
> coffee, only way he could stomach the stuff. Did give it an enticing
odor.
>

An Indian roommate in college used to brew tea with half water, half milk,
with cardamon pods, a cinnamon stick, and a whole clove or two, afterwards
sweetened with honey. Delicious!

--
Wayne Boatwright
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On Sat 07 Jun 2008 01:47:42p, Ophelia told us...

> George Shirley wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> sf wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>>>>>
>>>> Why would you want to do that? Cardamom is unique and wonderful.
>>>> Have you ever made cardamom bread?
>>>
>>> Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask me why
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>> Had an Arab friend who used to put cardamom seeds in a can of Folgers
>> coffee, only way he could stomach the stuff. Did give it an enticing
>> odor.
>
> Are you sure you don't mean 'scent' <g>
>
>
>

Aroma.

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On Sat 07 Jun 2008 10:56:59a, jmcquown told us...

> notbob wrote:
>> On 2008-06-07, The Ranger > wrote:
>>
>>> Nope; but if you have a recipe for such bread...
>>
>> geez Range, you on vacation in Idaho?
>>
>> There should be half a dozen Indian markets within 10 mins of where
>> you live. Send a unit.
>>
>> nb
>
> Um, I don't think the daughter-units are old enough to drive
>
>
>

But I assume they have legs.

--
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The Ranger wrote:
>
> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>
> The Ranger

Cardamom isn't subtle, and one of the reasons it's so expensive is that
there isn't anything like it. It is a lot cheaper if you buy it at a
middle eastern market vs. a grocery store.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
> wrote:

>Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
>
>The Ranger
>
We grow cardamom and it is part of the ginger family which includes
root ginger and ginger flowers, so I might attempt to substitute
something like ginger and anise- if I didn't have cardamom handy.

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jmcquown wrote:
>
> sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:36:53 -0700, "The Ranger"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Is there a subtle substitute for cardamom?
> >>
> > Why would you want to do that? Cardamom is unique and wonderful.
> > Have you ever made cardamom bread?
>
> Mom likes cardamom seeds in tea. Don't ask me why
>
> Jill

It's better in coffee!

Ophelia wrote:
> Nope! In India they used to give us seeds at the end of a meal. I
> belive they were cardomom. Meant to sweeten he breath. I never partook
> though
>
> That's an odor, a scent is faint.
>
> heh. If you say so
>

I think those were ?anise? Something with a licorice-type flavor, anyway.

--
Jean B.

Jim wrote about cardamom:

> Afghans like it in coffee! It is quite good once in a while!

Kuwaitis and Saudis like cardamom in coffee too. I like the flavor
combination, so I plan to make a coffee-cardamom panna cotta as part of a
special-occasion meal coming up in a few months. (If I can find pistachio
syrup I'll make a parfait with a thin layer of pistachio gelée on top and
the panna cotta underneath.)

Bob