Andy <q> wrote:

> Steve Pope said...
>
>> In article >, Andy <q> wrote:
>>>Sqwertz said...
>>
>>>> Compare Swiss Lowenbrau to the American version, for example.
>>>> Bother are sold in the US and look almost identical from the
>>>> outside.
>>
>>>Hey -swartz
>>
>>>Guess what? Lowenbräu is from Munich, Germany!
>>>
>>>Stupid ****!
>>>
>>>Kiss Sheldon's ass!!!
>>
>> Um Andy... there is Swiss Lowenbrau as well. You've never
>> seen it? After Miller barred the import of Munich Lowenbrau
>> to sell the Miller-produced product, clever people started
>> bringing in Zurich Lowenbrau.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Wartz,
>
> You must STILL Kiss Sheldon's ass!

He think you're me, Steve.

Andy - have a Happy Mother ****er's day :-) Sounds like you're off
to a good start with whatever you're drinking.

-sw

Steve Pope > wrote:

> Um Andy... there is Swiss Lowenbrau as well. You've never
> seen it? After Miller barred the import of Munich Lowenbrau
> to sell the Miller-produced product, clever people started
> bringing in Zurich Lowenbrau.

I didn't know that was the reason only the Swiss was available here.
I don't think I've seen it recently, but I'm pretty sure I've seen
the Munich one someplace fairly recently.

-sw

On Jun 12, 10:25*am, wrote:
> On Jun 12, 2:21*am, Blinky the Shark > wrote:
>
> > So speaking of beer <g>, some Yuropeen brewery is trying to take over Bud.
>
> > Bud!
>
> > That's just so wrong.

It would be bad for my city (St. Louis).
>
> Bud is mass-brewed American ****-water. *Even though European beers
> (especially Belgium) are light years ahead of us, I doubt they will
> change the actual beer itself.

A-B makes some really crappy beers, such as Bud Light, Busch and
Natural Light, and some passable ****water types like Bud Select, and
the Michelobs. Nothing they brew is actually good. I heard that they
are in talks with Modelo about a merger that would thwart the InBev
takeover. Modelo Especial is as good as anything A-B produces, and
Negra Modelo is far better than any A-B product.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

Bill Becker > wrote:

> Not Utah. Uinta has been making a BWSA for years and
> their state liquors stores don't have a cap on alcohol, iirc.
> On draft? It can only be 4%abv, or is it by weight?

It's 4% ABV. The next time you are in Park City, UT
stop at the Wasatch Brewpub for a few glasses of
Polygamy Porter - Why have just one? And take some
home for the wives.

Dick

sf <.> wrote in
:

> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:58:23 +0000 (UTC), enigma
> > wrote:
>
>>blake murphy > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> well, i'm sometimes drunk but i've never been a fratboy.
>>
>> well, that's a big plus
>>but are you obnoxious when drunk (& that can mean either
>>pushy or whiney. neither type is attractive)?
>
> Guess you've never met a happy drunk.

oh, i have. they tend not to be obnoxious.

lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

(Steve Pope) wrote in news:g33kvg$6fb$3
@blue.rahul.net:

> I personally think that ales travel much less well than
> lagers.

perhaps, but IPAs were specificly developed to travel. until
hopping beers was developed, beers didn't keep or travel well.
le
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

enigma > wrote:

(Steve Pope) wrote in news:g33kvg$6fb$3

>> I personally think that ales travel much less well than
>> lagers.

> perhaps, but IPAs were specificly developed to travel. until
>hopping beers was developed, beers didn't keep or travel well.
>le

That's true, I was thinking more of a British, non-IPA ale.

Speaking of which, does Bass cask ale still exist? I haven't
seen in in the UK for it seems about 6 or 8 years...

Steve

James Silverton wrote:
>
> "Arri London" > wrote in message
>
> > James Silverton wrote:

<snip>

> >>
> >> Drink what you like of course but why insult others' tastes? It's
> >> simply not worth the trouble to say that you do or don't like a
> >> popular beer. Budweiser seems to sell pretty well in Britain even if
> >> I only like it cold enough to have floating ice crystals .
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> James Silverton
> >> Potomac, Maryland
> >>
> >>
> >
> > But the Budweiser sold in the UK (which is usually the Czech version)
> > isn't the same as the US Bud in any case. Anheuser/Busch stole the
> > name of a perfectly decent Czech beer and have been using it on their
> > coloured water ever since.
>
> That's simply not true based on my experience. I've bought Budweiser on
> British trains and it was the familiar Anheuser-Busch bottle. Europeans
> love to say that Anheuser-Busch stole the name but their use predates
> that of the consolidated Budvar breweries. In 1876, the name Budweiser
> was adopted by the American brewer Adolphus Bush. When the Czech
> brewery, 20 years later (just after incorporation in 1895 ), wished to
> begin exports to the New World, this caused problems, and Budvar had to
> be given another name, Crystal I believe. Not that I would maintain that
> Budweiser is much of a beer as I have already mentioned even if it is
> brewed in Ireland, Italy, Russia, the UK and Spain.
>
> --
> Jim Silverton
> Potomac, Maryland

Obviously you know a different crowd in the UK than I do LOL. No one I
know will drink American Budweiser. What I learnt about the
Budweiser/Budvar thing comes from Czech people associated with the
brewing industry. If it's wrong blame them

Arri wrote on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:48:12 -0600:


> James Silverton wrote:
>>
>> "Arri London" > wrote in message
>>
> >> James Silverton wrote:

> <snip>

> >>> Drink what you like of course but why insult others'
> >>> tastes? It's simply not worth the trouble to say that you
> >>> do or don't like a popular beer. Budweiser seems to sell
> >>> pretty well in Britain even if I only like it cold enough
> >>> to have floating ice crystals .
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> James Silverton
> >>> Potomac, Maryland
> >>>
> >> But the Budweiser sold in the UK (which is usually the
> >> Czech version) isn't the same as the US Bud in any case.
> >> Anheuser/Busch stole the name of a perfectly decent Czech
> >> beer and have been using it on their coloured water ever
> >> since.
>>
>> That's simply not true based on my experience. I've bought
>> Budweiser on British trains and it was the familiar
>> Anheuser-Busch bottle. Europeans love to say that
>> Anheuser-Busch stole the name but their use predates that of
>> the consolidated Budvar breweries. In 1876, the name
>> Budweiser was adopted by the American brewer Adolphus Bush.
>> When the Czech brewery, 20 years later (just after
>> incorporation in 1895 ), wished to begin exports to the New
>> World, this caused problems, and Budvar had to be given
>> another name, Crystal I believe. Not that I would maintain
>> that Budweiser is much of a beer as I have already mentioned
>> even if it is brewed in Ireland, Italy, Russia, the UK and
>> Spain.
>>
>> --

>Obviously you know a different crowd in the UK than I do LOL.
> No one Iknow will drink American Budweiser. What I learnt about
>theBudweiser/Budvar thing comes from Czech people associate
>with thebrewing industry. If it's wrong blame them

Obviously, the Czechs would say that! Blindness to inconvenient facts is
a custom in many countries. Look at the French fighting to restrict the
use of the name "champagne" while allowing French vintners to expand the
designated areas indefinitely! I think you don't associate with hoi
polloi and their horrible uncultured tastes :-)

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Dave Witzel wrote:

> So UT's like some other states with some odd rules surrounding beer
> strength (3.2%ABW=4%ABV; you've probably heard the term "3.2 beer")
> - Tennessee comes to mind, where over a certain ABV it must be sold
> in a different type of store (often the same building, but wholly
> separate).
>
> Not to start a thread about arcane beer laws or anything.


Too late.

Minnesota is as you describe: anything over 3.2% abw must be sold in a
separate liquor store. The liquor store can be in the same building, but
must have a separate entrance and a definite doorway into the main
store, if any transfer between grocery and liquor is allowed. And so you
end up with groceries that have liquor stores that keep separate hours
and that you have to go outside to get in (and you have to check out in
the liquor store; no bringing it into the grocery).

-Steve

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:11:16 +0000 (UTC), enigma >
wrote:

> perhaps, but IPAs were specificly developed to travel. until
>hopping beers was developed, beers didn't keep or travel well.
>le

What does IPA mean? Thanks


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article .net>,
Blinky the Shark > wrote:

> So speaking of beer <g>, some Yuropeen brewery is trying to take over Bud.
>
> Bud!
>
> That's just so wrong.
>
> Hey! Keep yer flippin' hands offa the institution!

Is it any more of a problem than foreign interests owning other American
assets like Rockefeller Center, our largest laptop computer company, one
of our largest auto manufacturers, etc.?

"sf" <.> wrote in message ...
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:11:16 +0000 (UTC), enigma >
> wrote:
>
>> perhaps, but IPAs were specificly developed to travel. until
>>hopping beers was developed, beers didn't keep or travel well.
>>le
>
> What does IPA mean? Thanks
>
>

India Pale Ale. It was brewed in England and shipped to India by boat and
took a long time to get there so adjustments were made in the methodology.

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:58:23 +0000 (UTC), enigma >
wrote:

>blake murphy > wrote in
:
>
>> well, i'm sometimes drunk but i've never been a fratboy.
>
> well, that's a big plus
>but are you obnoxious when drunk (& that can mean either pushy
>or whiney. neither type is attractive)?
>lee

nah, i'm a pretty happy drunk without being maudlin about it. i might
tell jokes more readily. (don't be alarmed - i remember the punch
lines.)

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:03:23 +0000 (UTC), enigma >
wrote:

>"James Silverton" > wrote in
>news:e0U4k.37795$lE3.33265@trnddc05:
>
>> Sometimes I wonder about tales of beers tasting much better
>> in the original country! It's like some wines that are
>> said "don't travel". The ambience and the mood you were in
>> affects your memories of a first taste. It has to admitted
>> that not all imported beers have been kept properly and can
>> be a bit skunked.
>
> there is that, of course, but a beer's flavor is also
>dependent on the water used, the strain of the yeast (& that
>alone can make a rather big difference), the grains, the type
>of hop... when the hops are added, etc.
> American made St.Pauli Girl really isn't anything like
>imported St.Pauli Girl.
>lee

when i was a teen, i was devoted to schlitz, which is what my dad
drank. when i got to school in new york, it was alarming how bad the
stuff they brewed in brooklyn was.

your pal,
blake

James Silverton wrote:
>
> Arri wrote on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:48:12 -0600:
>
> > James Silverton wrote:
> >>
> >> "Arri London" > wrote in message
> >>
> > >> James Silverton wrote:
>
> > <snip>
>
> > >>> Drink what you like of course but why insult others'
> > >>> tastes? It's simply not worth the trouble to say that you
> > >>> do or don't like a popular beer. Budweiser seems to sell
> > >>> pretty well in Britain even if I only like it cold enough
> > >>> to have floating ice crystals .
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>> James Silverton
> > >>> Potomac, Maryland
> > >>>
> > >> But the Budweiser sold in the UK (which is usually the
> > >> Czech version) isn't the same as the US Bud in any case.
> > >> Anheuser/Busch stole the name of a perfectly decent Czech
> > >> beer and have been using it on their coloured water ever
> > >> since.
> >>
> >> That's simply not true based on my experience. I've bought
> >> Budweiser on British trains and it was the familiar
> >> Anheuser-Busch bottle. Europeans love to say that
> >> Anheuser-Busch stole the name but their use predates that of
> >> the consolidated Budvar breweries. In 1876, the name
> >> Budweiser was adopted by the American brewer Adolphus Bush.
> >> When the Czech brewery, 20 years later (just after
> >> incorporation in 1895 ), wished to begin exports to the New
> >> World, this caused problems, and Budvar had to be given
> >> another name, Crystal I believe. Not that I would maintain
> >> that Budweiser is much of a beer as I have already mentioned
> >> even if it is brewed in Ireland, Italy, Russia, the UK and
> >> Spain.
> >>
> >> --
>
> >Obviously you know a different crowd in the UK than I do LOL.
> > No one Iknow will drink American Budweiser. What I learnt about
> >theBudweiser/Budvar thing comes from Czech people associate
> >with thebrewing industry. If it's wrong blame them
>
> Obviously, the Czechs would say that! Blindness to inconvenient facts is
> a custom in many countries. Look at the French fighting to restrict the
> use of the name "champagne" while allowing French vintners to expand the
> designated areas indefinitely! I think you don't associate with hoi
> polloi and their horrible uncultured tastes :-)

The Czechs were part of my beloved 'Czech mafia'...the older generation,
acquaintances of the parents of a Czech friend. So you are right about
being blind to incovenient facts LOL. They view their country in a
golden glow of the past.
Somehow I think my friends would certainly object to being called 'hoi
polloi!. They tend to belong to CAMRA and bring back cases of the best
Belgian beers when on their weekend trips.
Personally I prefer the darkest German beers, but then that's what I
grew up with.

No Poster > wrote:

> Sqwertz > wrote in
> :
>
>> Steve Jackson > wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The definition of beer turns into malt liquor over %6 in the US.
>>>
>>> No, it doesn't. It does in a couple states, but it is not a nationwide
>>> thing.
>>
>> It does vary by state. Here in TX anything over 4.9% (I think),
>> must be labeled Ale, Malt Liquor, Lager, or Malt Beverage. And some
>> states you can't even buy any beer over 5 or 6% (South Carolina,
>> eg.)
>
> And that's what you get when morons elect morons.

That's what you get when bible-thumpers get to make the laws. Look
at Nevada, for example. Different kind of holy Rollers there and
you can drink in public and buy beer at all hours of the morning.

-sw

No Poster > wrote:

> Sqwertz > wrote in
> :
>
>> It's 5% in TX. Alt, malt liquot/beverage or lager. Anything but
>> 'beer'.
>
> I should have gone with my gut response, but I thought it was too low. I
> guess not.

Look at a 6-er of Bud Ice. It doesn't actually say it's beer, but
it says "Ale in Texas" on the bottom of the carton (maybe that's
only the Texas labeling though)

> I do remember it being discussed in here back in the mid 90s. It was more
> or less the start of the microbrewery revolution. I was sure hoping it
> would lead to a breakup up of the iron fist the beer distributors control
> the American market. Things got better, but nowhere near as deregulated as
> I had hoped. AB and their ilk still have firm control. Let them be bought
> by the Belgians, perhaps it will finally free us.

Latest word is that Bud is trying to get Modelo of Mexico to merge
with AB so that InBev won't be able to absorb the combined wealth of
both companies.

Duh. I'd rather have AB owned by a Belgian company than by a
Mexican company. Of course I couldn't really care less what happens
to AB, but I do have a weak heart for the Belgian ales.

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:
> No Poster > wrote:

> Look at a 6-er of Bud Ice. It doesn't actually say it's beer, but
> it says "Ale in Texas" on the bottom of the carton (maybe that's
> only the Texas labeling though)

If I'm recalling correctly, Texas is the only state that requires the
"ale" designation for beer of a certain strength.

>> I do remember it being discussed in here back in the mid 90s. It was more
>> or less the start of the microbrewery revolution. I was sure hoping it
>> would lead to a breakup up of the iron fist the beer distributors control
>> the American market. Things got better, but nowhere near as deregulated as
>> I had hoped. AB and their ilk still have firm control. Let them be bought
>> by the Belgians, perhaps it will finally free us.

Incidentally, A-B argued in favor of changing the "ale" labeling law in
favor of allowing it to be used as a descriptive style/brewing method
designator, not as a marker of strength:
http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/leginfo/4577ad.htm

> Latest word is that Bud is trying to get Modelo of Mexico to merge
> with AB so that InBev won't be able to absorb the combined wealth of
> both companies.
>
> Duh. I'd rather have AB owned by a Belgian company than by a
> Mexican company.

Other way around: A-B is trying to talk Modelo into selling A-B the
other half it doesn't already own.

> Of course I couldn't really care less what happens
> to AB, but I do have a weak heart for the Belgian ales.

Pity InBev doesn't have much of anything to do with them.

-Steve

"of
> both companies.
>
> Duh. I'd rather have AB owned by a Belgian company than by a
> Mexican company. Of course I couldn't really care less what happens
> to AB, but I do have a weak heart for the Belgian ales.
>

Oh - InBev is a Belgian company according to you? To me it is a
Brazilian-steered multinational...
Joris

Arri wrote on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:09:04 -0600:


> James Silverton wrote:
>> I think you don't associate with hoi polloi and

>> their horrible uncultured tastes :-)

>Somehow I think my friends would certainly object to being
>called 'hoi polloi!. They tend to belong to CAMRA and bring
>back cases of the best Belgian beers when on their weekend trips.


Isn't that what I said! :-)

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Joris Pattyn wrote:

>>Duh. I'd rather have AB owned by a Belgian company than by a
>>Mexican company. Of course I couldn't really care less what happens
>>to AB, but I do have a weak heart for the Belgian ales.
>>
> Oh - InBev is a Belgian company according to you? To me it is a
> Brazilian-steered multinational...

The U.S. is for sale – and foreign investors are buying
The dollar's slump makes scooping up US businesses and real estate a
financial bargain.
By David R. Francis

posted June 09, 2008 at 11:00 am EDT

The United States has become a bustling bargain basement for world
investors. Using excess dollars earned as a result of the massive US
trade deficit, foreigners are buying up big chunks of the nation's
businesses and properties. The latest shoppers: Abu Dhabi for New York's
Chrysler Building and a Belgian-Brazilian brewery for Anheuser-Busch.

More at <http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0609/p15s04-wmgn.html>

Looks like it's considered "Belgian-Brazilian" to some.

In the USA, we see far more evidence of InBev's Belgian connections
than its Brazilian connections. Where I live, Brahma lager is pretty
much non-existent, but there's no shortage of Stella Artois, Leffe,
and Hoegaarden.
--
dgs

Bryon Lape wrote:

> Negra Modelo is one of the few mass
> made Vienna style lagers available outside of Austria.

Negra Modelo is one of the few mass-made Vienna-style lagers, period.
The style has nearly disappeared from Austrian brewing. Vienna's
remaining big production brewery, Ottakringer, markets a "Schnitt,"
which is sorta like an old-style Vienna lager, but is actually a blend
of their pale and dark lagers. Their "Zwickl rot" is a red unfiltered
lager that is something like a rustic, yeasty version of a Vienna lager.

Otherwise, revivalist Vienna lagers are pretty much the domain of small
specialist brewers, particularly Vienna's Siebenstern and Salm brewpubs.