George wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:

>> cute. I like the mini Cooper a lot.

> They are a great conversation starter. Every time I parked at least a
> couple people would walk over and want to know all about the car and
> remark how neat looking it was and where they could by one.

They're awfully cute, and were in serious contention when I was
thinking of replacing my car, which was the second, around town
kind a vehicle. Those looks, and at that price. Could still happen.

nancy

Nancy Young said...

> George wrote:
>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
>>> cute. I like the mini Cooper a lot.
>
>> They are a great conversation starter. Every time I parked at least a
>> couple people would walk over and want to know all about the car and
>> remark how neat looking it was and where they could by one.
>
> They're awfully cute, and were in serious contention when I was
> thinking of replacing my car, which was the second, around town
> kind a vehicle. Those looks, and at that price. Could still happen.
>
> nancy


I test drove one of the first mini coopers in Philly. Maybe 6 years ago? It
was actually comfortable for 6'3" in shoes. Then I thought what if I have
car trouble in Des Moines. With the mechanics scratching their heads, like
in the movie Doc Hollywood.

I do smile when I see them.

I played on their "Build Your Own Mini" website many times. They can build
'em 1,001 ways practically.

I'm still waiting to see a "Smart" car on the road.

Andy

On Tue 17 Jun 2008 03:40:38p, Andy told us...

> Nancy Young said...
>
>> George wrote:
>>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>
>>>> cute. I like the mini Cooper a lot.
>>
>>> They are a great conversation starter. Every time I parked at least a
>>> couple people would walk over and want to know all about the car and
>>> remark how neat looking it was and where they could by one.
>>
>> They're awfully cute, and were in serious contention when I was
>> thinking of replacing my car, which was the second, around town
>> kind a vehicle. Those looks, and at that price. Could still happen.
>>
>> nancy
>
>
> I test drove one of the first mini coopers in Philly. Maybe 6 years ago?
> It was actually comfortable for 6'3" in shoes. Then I thought what if I
> have car trouble in Des Moines. With the mechanics scratching their
> heads, like in the movie Doc Hollywood.
>
> I do smile when I see them.
>
> I played on their "Build Your Own Mini" website many times. They can
> build 'em 1,001 ways practically.
>
> I'm still waiting to see a "Smart" car on the road.
>
> Andy
>

I'm still waiting to see a "smart" driver on the road.

--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Tuesday, 06(VI)/17(XVII)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------
No, just the nipple-cones, officer,
just the nipple-cones.
-------------------------------------------

Wayne Boatwright said...

> On Tue 17 Jun 2008 03:40:38p, Andy told us...
>
>> Nancy Young said...
>>
>>> George wrote:
>>>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>
>>>>> cute. I like the mini Cooper a lot.
>>>
>>>> They are a great conversation starter. Every time I parked at least a
>>>> couple people would walk over and want to know all about the car and
>>>> remark how neat looking it was and where they could by one.
>>>
>>> They're awfully cute, and were in serious contention when I was
>>> thinking of replacing my car, which was the second, around town
>>> kind a vehicle. Those looks, and at that price. Could still happen.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>>
>> I test drove one of the first mini coopers in Philly. Maybe 6 years ago?
>> It was actually comfortable for 6'3" in shoes. Then I thought what if I
>> have car trouble in Des Moines. With the mechanics scratching their
>> heads, like in the movie Doc Hollywood.
>>
>> I do smile when I see them.
>>
>> I played on their "Build Your Own Mini" website many times. They can
>> build 'em 1,001 ways practically.
>>
>> I'm still waiting to see a "Smart" car on the road.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>
> I'm still waiting to see a "smart" driver on the road.


LOLOL!

Andy

Nancy Young > wrote:

>Michael "Dog3" wrote:

>> I'll never understand why people would use a credit card for gasoline
>> or food purchases.

>I do, all the time. I get a percent back, for one thing, and I
>don't carry much cash anymore, either, just a few bucks. I just pay
>it when the bill shows up. If you can't pay your bill in full, you're
>right, you don't want to pay interest on groceries you ate months
>ago. I hate to see people in that situation.

>> the month. Almost everything else I use my debit card which comes
>> directly out of my checking account.

>Debit card, taking money directly out of my checking account? That
>would make me crazier than I already am.

I would never have a debit card either.

I used to be like Michael, I wouldn't consider using a credit
card for routine purchases, I'd just use cash and in fact
at the time grocery stores did not even take cards. I felt
that people who over-used credit cards were just contributing
to inflation and huge fees skimmed by the issuing banks.
At some point I gave up and joined them.

Steve
>nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in
:

> George wrote:
>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
>>> cute. I like the mini Cooper a lot.
>
>> They are a great conversation starter. Every time I parked at least a
>> couple people would walk over and want to know all about the car and
>> remark how neat looking it was and where they could by one.
>
> They're awfully cute, and were in serious contention when I was
> thinking of replacing my car, which was the second, around town
> kind a vehicle. Those looks, and at that price. Could still happen.
>
> nancy
>

the older mini coopers were a lot smaller and easier on gas than these
new ones. I had one in the 70's and I got well over 50 mpg. on the
highway. the older ones were effectivly 4 foot something tall, 4 foot
something wide and exactly 10 feet long bumper to bumper. Motor
displacmennt was 949cc.

--

The house of the burning beet-Alan

Nancy Young wrote:
> George wrote:
>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
>>> cute. I like the mini Cooper a lot.
>
>> They are a great conversation starter. Every time I parked at least a
>> couple people would walk over and want to know all about the car and
>> remark how neat looking it was and where they could by one.
>
> They're awfully cute, and were in serious contention when I was
> thinking of replacing my car, which was the second, around town
> kind a vehicle. Those looks, and at that price. Could still happen.
> nancy

The other thing about the Smartcar is that it isn't an insult. If you
bought a "low end" car at it's price from GM or Ford you would get some
poorly designed piece of junk. They are solidly built with great
attention to detail. The A/C worked well on a really sunny day even
though it has a sunroof.

Andy wrote:
> Nancy Young said...
>
>> George wrote:
>>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>> cute. I like the mini Cooper a lot.
>>> They are a great conversation starter. Every time I parked at least a
>>> couple people would walk over and want to know all about the car and
>>> remark how neat looking it was and where they could by one.
>> They're awfully cute, and were in serious contention when I was
>> thinking of replacing my car, which was the second, around town
>> kind a vehicle. Those looks, and at that price. Could still happen.
>>
>> nancy
>
>
> I test drove one of the first mini coopers in Philly. Maybe 6 years ago? It
> was actually comfortable for 6'3" in shoes. Then I thought what if I have
> car trouble in Des Moines. With the mechanics scratching their heads, like
> in the movie Doc Hollywood.
>
> I do smile when I see them.
>
> I played on their "Build Your Own Mini" website many times. They can build
> 'em 1,001 ways practically.
>
> I'm still waiting to see a "Smart" car on the road.
>
> Andy

I think this part of the conversation might be about Smartcars.

I counted 4 on the pike on the ride to Philly last week. They have only
been coming in to the US for under two months and there won't be tons of
them this model year. When my buddy and I went to the roadshow in
University City over a year ago (only 3 months after they decided to
bring them here) we were talking to someone on the side and he said they
were available in Europe for maybe 5 years but they were concerned about
being laughed off the planet if they brought them here. When we picked
up my buddies car last week the dealer told us they could sell as many
as they could get their hands on and had a constant stream of people
showing up ready to buy.

On Jun 18, 5:09*am, "Giusi" > wrote:
> "Wayne Boatwright" > ha scritto nel messaggionews:Xns9AC08F6FEF046wayneboatwrightatcox @69.28.186.120...
>
> > On Tue 17 Jun 2008 01:03:34p, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>
> >> :in rec.food.cooking
>
> >>> On vacation in Italy about 18 months ago, I saw the Smart cars slicing
> >>> and dicing on the Autostrada easily doing around 80MPH.
> >> I've seen a few of them around here. *They're so ugly they're almost
> > cute.
> >> I like the mini Cooper a lot.
>
> >> Michael
>
> The Mini is all cute no guts, according to the British expats around here..

It is also outrageously priced for the *amount* of car you get. The
appointments are also not up to scratch. I got a ride from a work
associate the same day he had picked his Mini up, and I promptly broke
the internal door handle!

JB

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:54:43 -0400, George >
wrote:

>Andy wrote:
>> Nancy Young said...
>>
>>> George wrote:
>>>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>>> cute. I like the mini Cooper a lot.
>>>> They are a great conversation starter. Every time I parked at least a
>>>> couple people would walk over and want to know all about the car and
>>>> remark how neat looking it was and where they could by one.
>>> They're awfully cute, and were in serious contention when I was
>>> thinking of replacing my car, which was the second, around town
>>> kind a vehicle. Those looks, and at that price. Could still happen.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>>
>> I test drove one of the first mini coopers in Philly. Maybe 6 years ago? It
>> was actually comfortable for 6'3" in shoes. Then I thought what if I have
>> car trouble in Des Moines. With the mechanics scratching their heads, like
>> in the movie Doc Hollywood.
>>
>> I do smile when I see them.
>>
>> I played on their "Build Your Own Mini" website many times. They can build
>> 'em 1,001 ways practically.
>>
>> I'm still waiting to see a "Smart" car on the road.
>>
>> Andy
>
>I think this part of the conversation might be about Smartcars.
>
>I counted 4 on the pike on the ride to Philly last week. They have only
>been coming in to the US for under two months and there won't be tons of
>them this model year. When my buddy and I went to the roadshow in
>University City over a year ago (only 3 months after they decided to
>bring them here) we were talking to someone on the side and he said they
>were available in Europe for maybe 5 years but they were concerned about
>being laughed off the planet if they brought them here. When we picked
>up my buddies car last week the dealer told us they could sell as many
>as they could get their hands on and had a constant stream of people
>showing up ready to buy.


I think that was the reaction to the first VW Beetles to arrive in the
US.

Steve Pope wrote:
> Nancy Young > wrote:

>> Debit card, taking money directly out of my checking account? That
>> would make me crazier than I already am.
>
> I would never have a debit card either.
>
> I used to be like Michael, I wouldn't consider using a credit
> card for routine purchases, I'd just use cash and in fact
> at the time grocery stores did not even take cards. I felt
> that people who over-used credit cards were just contributing
> to inflation and huge fees skimmed by the issuing banks.
> At some point I gave up and joined them.

I hear ya. I used to pay cash. Every time I went to the grocery
store, cash. For that I got to make extra trips to the ATM, had
to make sure I had enough to cover what struck my fancy in the
store that day, fish out the appropriate amount at the register,
pile up a bunch of coins over time from change that I spend 8%
to turn back into useful money ... forget it. Now I charge, at the
end of the year I get a check back for my troubles.

I gave up, too. Paying cash just wasn't all that rewarding.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>�I used to pay cash. �Every time I went to the grocery
> store, cash. �For that I got to make extra trips to the ATM, had
> to make sure I had enough to cover what struck my fancy in the
> store that day,

Why do you have to make any trips to the ATM, I use cash but have
never used an ATM.

> fish out the appropriate amount at the register,
> pile up a bunch of coins over time from change that I spend 8%
> to turn back into useful money ... forget it. �

How difficult is it to count out cash, don't you count out the cash
you receive at your ATM? And what do you mean turn back into useful
money?, and what costs 8 percent?

> Now I charge, at the end of the year I get a check back for my
> troubles.

Check back for charging, explain please?

> I gave up, too. �Paying cash just wasn't all that rewarding.

I never knew there was a reward for paying cash, other than the
transaction is fast, easy, and over with.

The Cook said...

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:54:43 -0400, George >
> wrote:
>
>>Andy wrote:
>>> Nancy Young said...
>>>
>>>> George wrote:
>>>>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>>>>> cute. I like the mini Cooper a lot.
>>>>> They are a great conversation starter. Every time I parked at least
>>>>> a couple people would walk over and want to know all about the car
>>>>> and remark how neat looking it was and where they could by one.
>>>> They're awfully cute, and were in serious contention when I was
>>>> thinking of replacing my car, which was the second, around town
>>>> kind a vehicle. Those looks, and at that price. Could still happen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>>
>>> I test drove one of the first mini coopers in Philly. Maybe 6 years
>>> ago? It was actually comfortable for 6'3" in shoes. Then I thought
>>> what if I have car trouble in Des Moines. With the mechanics
>>> scratching their heads, like in the movie Doc Hollywood.
>>>
>>> I do smile when I see them.
>>>
>>> I played on their "Build Your Own Mini" website many times. They can
>>> build 'em 1,001 ways practically.
>>>
>>> I'm still waiting to see a "Smart" car on the road.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>>I think this part of the conversation might be about Smartcars.
>>
>>I counted 4 on the pike on the ride to Philly last week. They have only
>>been coming in to the US for under two months and there won't be tons of
>>them this model year. When my buddy and I went to the roadshow in
>>University City over a year ago (only 3 months after they decided to
>>bring them here) we were talking to someone on the side and he said they
>>were available in Europe for maybe 5 years but they were concerned about
>>being laughed off the planet if they brought them here. When we picked
>>up my buddies car last week the dealer told us they could sell as many
>>as they could get their hands on and had a constant stream of people
>>showing up ready to buy.
>
>
> I think that was the reaction to the first VW Beetles to arrive in the
> US.


I don't remember when they debuted in America but my first car was a used
1967 1800cc beetle. I loved that car, with the crank sunroof, and I could
actually do my own repairs! It was a Porsche in sheep's clothing!

I might've bought the re-introduced VW Bug but the clutch and brake pedals
were too close for the width of my feet so I bought the 1998 VW GTI/VR6
instead, still with no regrets!

I met a new 2008 VW GTI at a red light last week, we rolled down the
windows and chatted up GTIs. Held up traffic for a whole cycle (they were
honking mad). He wouldn't trade and neither would I. I smoked him off the
line on the green. So unlike me!!!

Andy

Sheldon wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>>
>> �I used to pay cash. �Every time I went to the grocery
>> store, cash. �For that I got to make extra trips to the ATM, had
>> to make sure I had enough to cover what struck my fancy in the
>> store that day,
>
> Why do you have to make any trips to the ATM, I use cash but have
> never used an ATM.

Where does money come from, my butt? No, it's in the bank.

>> fish out the appropriate amount at the register,
>> pile up a bunch of coins over time from change that I spend 8%
>> to turn back into useful money ... forget it. �
>
> How difficult is it to count out cash, don't you count out the cash
> you receive at your ATM?

No, actually, I don't often.

> And what do you mean turn back into useful
> money?, and what costs 8 percent?

The coin machine.
>
>> Now I charge, at the end of the year I get a check back for my
>> troubles.
>
> Check back for charging, explain please?

My Costco American Express gives me back 1 to 3% on
my purchases.
>
>> I gave up, too. �Paying cash just wasn't all that rewarding.
>
> I never knew there was a reward for paying cash, other than the
> transaction is fast, easy, and over with.

I find it easier to charge. Swipe the card and sign.

nancy

On Jun 18, 10:51Â*am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
> >> �I used to pay cash. �Every time I went to the grocery
> >> store, cash. �For that I got to make extra trips to the ATM, had
> >> to make sure I had enough to cover what struck my fancy in the
> >> store that day,
>
> > Why do you have to make any trips to the ATM, I use cash but have
> > never used an ATM.
>
> Where does money come from, my butt? Â*

Whoa! That's not fair, I'm sure I can't get nearly as much money for
my butt.

I need to go to the bank about once a month anyway (I'd think most
folks do), that's when I withdraw enough cash to last the month... if
after all these years I don't have a pretty good grasp on about how
much pocket money I need for the month (plus a bit extra just in case)
then I'd better enter a nursing home and sign over all my affairs to
an administrator. And I don't carry the whole month's allowance with
me, when leaving home I take what I need for the day (plus a little
extra for just in case). I think carrying cash is far safer than
going to ATMs, especially if going to ATMs every day... that's many
times a month you openly advertise that you're carrying cash compared
perhaps to my one time ("perhaps" because most folks go to a bank to
conduct other business than to withdraw cash... anytime someone uses
an ATM they are vulnerable to be followed.

I find habitual ATM users a PITA to be with, every time a decision is
made to do something that costs money the ball busters have to drag
folks around to find a friggin' ATM... and they never have money so
they are constantly borrowing small amounts they typically don't
always pay back, either they forget or forget on purpose (same
result), and I hate to have to remind people they owe me a couple of
bucks, and then the parasites tell me to wait till they get to an ATM,
DUH.. they didn't have to wait for the money I loaned them, those
deadbeats deserve a cacoon inna Joisey swamp. ATMs serve as a piggy
bank nanny for those infantile individuals who can't control
themselves from spending every cent in their pocket and/or are an
excuse to freeload, and serve no other purpose whatsoever, none.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:51:17 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:


>
>My Costco American Express gives me back 1 to 3% on
>my purchases.
>>

>nancy

I have an early version of that card that they keep trying to coax me
into updating to the one Costco-Amex issues now. Great cash back on it
- minimum is 2%, IIRC.

It is my primary card and each spring, I get a nice fat check from
Costco and another one from AxEx. I love that card. I charge
everything I can on it, from gasoline to groceries to prescription
drugs.

In fact,about the only time I use cash for *anything* is when I go to
a casino to throw it away. Cash is a bother. I charge and get the
float and then get a rebate. What could be better?

Boron

Sheldon wrote:
> On Jun 18, 10:51 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>> Sheldon wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>>
>>> Why do you have to make any trips to the ATM, I use cash but have
>>> never used an ATM.
>>
>> Where does money come from, my butt?
>
> Whoa! That's not fair, I'm sure I can't get nearly as much money for
> my butt.

(laugh)

> I need to go to the bank about once a month anyway (I'd think most
> folks do),

My ATM is at my bank, which is in town. No fees because it's
my bank. Believe it or not, unless something has changed, I
will incur a charge if I use a teller over a certain number of times
a month. ATM, free. Oh, except for that $20 charge for each
card (maybe it's 10 each, I forget). Don't get me started about
banks.

>that's when I withdraw enough cash to last the month...

I usually took $300 at a clip. Never less. Nowadays that would
go a lot longer since Ron's not buying lunch and gas all the time.
He couldn't have picked a better time to quit the rat race, but I
digress. But it's not as if I took $20 out every time I went, I
don't get that.

Now I keep a few bucks in my wallet for whatever. I charge
just about everything. Bill comes, log onto my bank website
and presto, bill paid.

nancy

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<snip>
>
> Socks? Those go with the brake shoes I take it?
>
> Paul


No I put the socks over the shocks. lol

--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:51:17 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
> wrote:

>> My Costco American Express gives me back 1 to 3% on
>> my purchases.

> I have an early version of that card that they keep trying to coax me
> into updating to the one Costco-Amex issues now. Great cash back on it
> - minimum is 2%, IIRC.

What would be the benefit to you switching, unless your card has
a fee.

> It is my primary card and each spring, I get a nice fat check from
> Costco and another one from AxEx. I love that card. I charge
> everything I can on it, from gasoline to groceries to prescription
> drugs.

Ditto.

> In fact,about the only time I use cash for *anything* is when I go to
> a casino to throw it away.

(laugh) I brought my change to AC once thinking I could dump
it into a change machine there and get tokens. I forget why
that didn't work out.

> Cash is a bother. I charge and get the
> float and then get a rebate. What could be better?

Exactly. I'm walking on carpet I haven't paid for yet. Heh.
Till the end of the month, that is.

nancy

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> "Nancy Young" >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
> >
> > I find it easier to charge. Swipe the card and sign.
>
> For me it's just as easy to debit. Swipe... put in PIN and go.

No cash-back bonus.




Brian


--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:48:46 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
wrote:

>Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:51:17 -0400, "Nancy Young" >
>> wrote:
>
>>> My Costco American Express gives me back 1 to 3% on
>>> my purchases.
>
>> I have an early version of that card that they keep trying to coax me
>> into updating to the one Costco-Amex issues now. Great cash back on it
>> - minimum is 2%, IIRC.
>
>What would be the benefit to you switching, unless your card has
>a fee.

The benefit is to Costco and/or AmEx. My cash back is higher than the
current card they offer..I cannot even find my card on their websites.
My fee on the card is my membership fee at Costco, which I'd pay
anyway.


>
>> In fact,about the only time I use cash for *anything* is when I go to
>> a casino to throw it away.
>
>(laugh) I brought my change to AC once thinking I could dump
>it into a change machine there and get tokens. I forget why
>that didn't work out.

It has been awhile since I went to a casino that had coin machines
like that. I wonder if any of them still do. I go to the Borgata and
they use tokens at the tables or paper receipts at the slots.

My coins get rolled and taken to the bank.
>
>> Cash is a bother. I charge and get the
>> float and then get a rebate. What could be better?
>
>Exactly. I'm walking on carpet I haven't paid for yet. Heh.
>Till the end of the month, that is.
>

Ooo, nice...

Boron

On 18 Jun 2008 16:50:57 GMT, "Default User" >
wrote:

>Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
>> "Nancy Young" >
>> : in rec.food.cooking
>>
>> >
>> > I find it easier to charge. Swipe the card and sign.
>>
>> For me it's just as easy to debit. Swipe... put in PIN and go.
>
>No cash-back bonus.
>
>
>
>
>Brian

Some banks will pay cash back if the debit is used without a PIN -
that is, signed for, similar to a credit card. The bank gets a bigger
cut (and the merchant incurs a greater cost) if debit is used with a
signature.

Boron

In article >,
lid says...
> Andy wrote:
> > Nancy Young said...
> >
> >> George wrote:
> >>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> >>>> cute. I like the mini Cooper a lot.
> >>> They are a great conversation starter. Every time I parked at least a
> >>> couple people would walk over and want to know all about the car and
> >>> remark how neat looking it was and where they could by one.
> >> They're awfully cute, and were in serious contention when I was
> >> thinking of replacing my car, which was the second, around town
> >> kind a vehicle. Those looks, and at that price. Could still happen.
> >>
> >> nancy
> >
> >
> > I test drove one of the first mini coopers in Philly. Maybe 6 years ago? It
> > was actually comfortable for 6'3" in shoes. Then I thought what if I have
> > car trouble in Des Moines. With the mechanics scratching their heads, like
> > in the movie Doc Hollywood.
> >
> > I do smile when I see them.
> >
> > I played on their "Build Your Own Mini" website many times. They can build
> > 'em 1,001 ways practically.
> >
> > I'm still waiting to see a "Smart" car on the road.
> >
> > Andy
>
> I think this part of the conversation might be about Smartcars.
>
> I counted 4 on the pike on the ride to Philly last week. They have only
> been coming in to the US for under two months and there won't be tons of
> them this model year. When my buddy and I went to the roadshow in
> University City over a year ago (only 3 months after they decided to
> bring them here) we were talking to someone on the side and he said they
> were available in Europe for maybe 5 years but they were concerned about
> being laughed off the planet if they brought them here. When we picked
> up my buddies car last week the dealer told us they could sell as many
> as they could get their hands on and had a constant stream of people
> showing up ready to buy.
>

They're definitely unique to look at, but I think their economy, crash-
worthiness are big selling points.

I'd drive one.

Boron Elgar wrote:

> On 18 Jun 2008 16:50:57 GMT, "Default User" >
> wrote:
>
> > Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> >
> >> "Nancy Young" >
> >> : in
> rec.food.cooking >>
> >> >
> >> > I find it easier to charge. Swipe the card and sign.
> >>
> >> For me it's just as easy to debit. Swipe... put in PIN and go.
> >
> > No cash-back bonus.

> Some banks will pay cash back if the debit is used without a PIN -
> that is, signed for, similar to a credit card. The bank gets a bigger
> cut (and the merchant incurs a greater cost) if debit is used with a
> signature.

I wouldn't have one of those dangerous things.



Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> "Default User" > news:6bt3flF3dg2j1U1
> @mid.individual.net: in rec.food.cooking
>
> >
> > I wouldn't have one of those dangerous things.
>
> A debit card? I've been using mine for years and never had a problem
> with it. Since I do all my banking online I know my balance at all
> times.

A debit card that you can use without PIN. If lost or compromised, the
associated account can be drained.



Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

On Jun 18, 12:42�pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 10:51 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> >> Sheldon wrote:
> >>> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
> >>> Why do you have to make any trips to the ATM, I use cash but have
> >>> never used an ATM.
>
> >> Where does money come from, my butt?
>
> > Whoa! �That's not fair, I'm sure I can't get nearly as much money for
> > my butt.
>
> (laugh)
>
> > I need to go to the bank about once a month anyway (I'd think most
> > folks do),
>
> My ATM is at my bank, which is in town. �No fees because it's
> my bank. �Believe it or not, unless something has changed, I
> will incur a charge if I use a teller over a certain number of times
> a month. �ATM, free. �Oh, except for that $20 charge for each
> card (maybe it's 10 each, I forget). �Don't get me started about
> banks.
>
> >that's when I withdraw enough cash to last the month...
>
> I usually took $300 at a clip. �Never less. �Nowadays that would
> go a lot longer since Ron's not buying lunch and gas all the time.
> He couldn't have picked a better time to quit the rat race, but I
> digress. �But it's not as if I took $20 out every time I went, I
> don't get that.
>
> Now I keep a few bucks in my wallet for whatever. �I charge
> just about everything. �Bill comes, log onto my bank website
> and presto, bill paid.
>
> nancy

Nancy, you are definitely the exception... the vast majority I've
experienced do the constant $20 withdrawels... I've been out to eat
with people who when the check comes have to dash out of the
restaurant to hunt for an ATM (my brother who drives a new high end
Mercedes every year, never has any cash).

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Tue 17 Jun 2008 02:08:42p, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>
> > Wayne Boatwright >
> > 6.120: in
> > rec.food.cooking
> >
> >> Though I don't know what the gas mileage is like, I would really love
> >> to have a Mini Cooper. David won't "let " me buy one. He things
> >> they're hideous.
> >
> > If I had money to burn (which I don't, and from the looks of it, never
> > will) I'd get one just for fun. Tooling around it would be fun. I'll bet
> > it rides like a go-cart.
> >
> > Michael <- holding his right hip in pain
> >
>
> I did take one for a test drive a couple of year ago. I thought is was
> quite comfortable.


Good interior space...and in the congested Big City they are EASY to park.
I see a lot of 'em in Chicago...and I've seen a half - dozen Smart Cars as
of late, too.

--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

On Jun 18, 9:29�pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> Sheldon > �news:add9cece-c3f4-46d0-85a9-37713539183f@
> 25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
> > Nancy, you are definitely the exception... the vast majority I've
> > experienced do the constant $20 withdrawels... I've been out to eat
> > with people who when the check comes have to dash out of the
> > restaurant to hunt for an ATM (my brother who drives a new high end
> > Mercedes every year, never has any cash).
>
> Out of curiosity... doesn't your brother carry a credit card with him as
> well as his debit card? �I've always got both with me... just in case. My
> withdrawal limit for my debit card is $900 a day. If I'm going out or to an
> even I'll stop at the ATM and make a cash withdrawal. When dining out I'll
> use my credit card. �I never have any cash on me, just like your brother
> but when I'm going out I've always got enough cash. If not, I charge it.

How can I put it delicately... my brother is very strange, about
everything... at 61 years old he finally came out of the closet to me
that he's ***, like I didn't know that queer aflac duck was a fruit
since I was like ten years old... imagine a grown adult living a lie
so many years. And I'm very angry at him for hiding from me all that
time so they we couldn't have any kind of honest relationship... what
a shit he is. When he told me (on the phone, the wuss) that he's been
living with his partner for 16 years, so when I asked him to introduce
us he says, aren't you rushing things... WHAT, for16 ****ing years the
faggot douchbag thinks he's been hiding, does the moron think at our
age we should wait another 16 years. That's why I detest homos, they
are the most phony dishonest assholes on the planet... I haven't met
one yet that has a backbone. And neither do I trust anyone who lives
the ATM lifestyle.. it's just a smarmy way to get out of paying. I do
green money and I don't trust anyone who does monopoly money; PINS are
all monopoly money.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:58:22 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Sheldon >
:
>in rec.food.cooking
>
>> How can I put it delicately... my brother is very strange, about
>> everything... at 61 years old he finally came out of the closet to me
>> that he's ***, like I didn't know that queer aflac duck was a fruit
>> since I was like ten years old... imagine a grown adult living a lie
>> so many years. And I'm very angry at him for hiding from me all that
>> time so they we couldn't have any kind of honest relationship... what
>> a shit he is. When he told me (on the phone, the wuss) that he's been
>> living with his partner for 16 years, so when I asked him to introduce
>> us he says, aren't you rushing things... WHAT, for16 ****ing years the
>> faggot douchbag thinks he's been hiding, does the moron think at our
>> age we should wait another 16 years. That's why I detest homos, they
>> are the most phony dishonest assholes on the planet... I haven't met
>> one yet that has a backbone.
>
>Your brother made the decision to keep his sexual orientation from you.
>That was HIS decision to make. Like it or not, you have no control over
>your brother's life. He lied to you but that doesn't mean he's living a
>lie. He has his reasons for not telling you and not allowing you to
>share his life.

sheldon uses terms like 'faggot douchbag' and 'phoney dishonest
assholes' and wonders why his brother didn't come out to him? sheldon
is unusually stupid. (i wonder if bro came out to their parents and
momma said, 'that's o.k. dear - you know we love you. but don't tell
sheldon. you know how he is.')

if i were sheldon's brother i'd pretend he didn't exist.

your pal,
blake

"Michael \"Dog3\" wrote:
> Sheldon writes:
>
> > How can I put it delicately... my brother is very strange, about
> > everything... at 61 years old he finally came out of the closet to me
> > that he's ***, like I didn't know that queer aflac duck was a fruit
> > since I was like ten years old... imagine a grown adult living a lie
> > so many years. �And I'm very angry at him for hiding from me all that
> > time so they we couldn't have any kind of honest relationship... what
> > a shit he is. �When he told me (on the phone, the wuss) that he's been
> > living with his partner for 16 years, so when I asked him to introduce
> > us he says, aren't you rushing things... WHAT, for16 ****ing years the
> > faggot douchbag thinks he's been hiding, does the moron think at our
> > age we should wait another 16 years. �That's why I detest homos, they
> > are the most phony dishonest assholes on the planet... I haven't met
> > one yet that has a backbone. �
>
> Your brother made the decision to keep his sexual orientation from you.
> That was HIS decision to make. Like it or not, you have no control over
> your brother's life. He lied to you but that doesn't mean he's living a
> lie. �

Of course he's living a lie, he has never even once told the truth
about anything his entire life, from dumping hi spaper delivery down
teh sewer, to stealing clothes from a haberdahery by wearing thyem
under his clothes, to his charlatan marriage... in fact he was married
to a woman for ten years, even made a child, and all the time sneaking
around having affairs with various *** males... when his wife found
out she divorced him. But their poor son is a mental wreck from his
lying. Michael, you haven't a clue what lying is nor do you care who
it hurts... typical self centered ***.

He has his reasons for not telling you and not allowing you to
> share his life.

That's called secretiveness and the resultant embarrassment for lying.

If you have the same attitude in RL as you do online, I
> can understand why. � I think you're full of shit. �You're just ****ed
> off at your brother and taking it out on gays in general.

Do you really believe follks have the same persona in RL as they do
online... you're a naive newbie... those who are super polite goody
two shoes on line you can be sure behave exactly opposite in RL.

Lying and defending lying is the thing all gays seem to do well,
you've made my point. My brutal HONESTY seems to really **** up your
twisted *** thinking head... thank you for agreeing with me, that
gayness is a license to lie. There is no way to have an honest
relationship with a liar... I'm positive yours is a sham.

> > And neither do I trust anyone who lives the ATM lifestyle.. it's just a
> > smarmy way to get out of paying. �
>
> <snort> WTF is the "ATM lifestyle"? I don't see how it's a smarmy way to
> get out of paying when it comes directly from my checking account. Again,
> you are full of shit.
>
> > I do green money and I don't trust anyone who does monopoly money; PINS
> > are all monopoly money.
>
> LOL... Sometime you crack me up.

So you think being a goniff/ganef is funny.

The ATM lifestle means not carrying *cash*... I'm positive you're a
schnorrer. it's uncomfortable going out with someone who always
needs to borrow a few bucks because it's inconvenient to use plastic
for trivial money... and having to split a tab when one dude uses
business-like plastic robs the enjoyment from what would otherwise be
a friendly informal social gathering... and even worse are those
plastic *******s who make a spectacle of collecting everyone's cash
and then paying the total amount with their card, so they can reap a
windfall by submitting it as a business expense... as bad as lying, is
stealing. You wanna pay my share with your plastic, then go right
ahead, but then it's your treat, keep your plastic fingers off my
cash. Sure plastic is convenient, for those con artists who don't
want to pay. You can rationalize it however you like but using
plastic in social occasions is low class, it's patently dishonest in
every way possible, including to the relationship... and so is lying.
I'd much rather socialize with those few who respect my brutal honesty
than those many who respect your brutal dishonesty. Those who lie
steal, and there is no honor in either. I know from reading your
posts that you haven't the slightest concept of the meaning of
truthfulness... lying is so ingrained into the *** psyche you don't
even know you're lying. Gays lie because they are so racked with
insecurity by their own feelings of inferiority that lying/embelishing/
exaggerating is the only way they can lift themselves... and lying by
the sin of omission (secretiveness) is the worst, most hurtful kind of
lie there is.

"Michael \"Dog3\" wrote:
> Sheldon wrote
>
> > Of course he's living a lie, he has never even once told the truth
> > about anything his entire life, from dumping his paper delivery down
> > the sewer, to stealing clothes from a haberdashery by wearing them
> > under his clothes, to his charlatan marriage... in fact he was married
> > to a woman for ten years, even made a child, and all the time sneaking
> > around having affairs with various *** males... when his wife found
> > out she divorced him. �But their poor son is a mental wreck from his
> > lying. �
>
> Well Sheldon, you could have added that information in the OP. Yes, he is
> far less than stellar in his behavior.

I accept responsibility. I should not have brought a personal issue
to this newsgroup... even though others do regularly I rarely do
because it's not the place. When I have more time I will reply to you
privately.