John Kane wrote:
> On Jun 17, 11:43 am, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:26:25 -0400, "kilikini"
>>
>> > wrote:
>>> We've got to drive at least and hour and a half in any direction to
>>> find anything decent. It kind of puts a damper on the idea of going
>>> out for dinner. :-(
>>
>> That's how it is at our cottage. Fast food is 45 minutes away and any
>> real restaurant is well over an hour. But we don't go there to go out
>> to eat. During the week we're in the city and there's dozens of
>> decent places we can walk to. But we still hardly ever go out.
>>
>> Lou
>
> Yes but kiliki lives in a city of about 50,000! Hardly cottage
> country.
>
> John Kane Kingston ON Canada

You might be reading a number when the snowbirds fly in. Our town is about
15,000 people. :~)

kili

> wrote:

> On Jun 16, 8:58 pm, "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
>
> > "Jerry Sauk" posts on alt.food.fast-food, Lou, where he is known for his
> > "Saukisms"...I think he has "something" to do with Sqwertz (check out
the
> > group). Is he a ghost, a real person, a female...??? It's all kinda
> > "mysterious"!
>
> Jerry (Jenny Squire) is an enigma that only you can't figure out.
> He's the best kook I ever made. And he's persisted for over 2 years
> now. He's like an Everlasting Gobstopper.


I just *knew* it was you, Steve...or should we call you "Sybil"...???

Why are you *creating* k00ks when you *are* one, hmmm...???

;---p


--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:29:39 -0400, "kilikini"
> wrote:

>John Kane wrote:
>> On Jun 17, 11:43 am, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:26:25 -0400, "kilikini"
>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>>> We've got to drive at least and hour and a half in any direction to
>>>> find anything decent. It kind of puts a damper on the idea of going
>>>> out for dinner. :-(
>>>
>>> That's how it is at our cottage. Fast food is 45 minutes away and any
>>> real restaurant is well over an hour. But we don't go there to go out
>>> to eat. During the week we're in the city and there's dozens of
>>> decent places we can walk to. But we still hardly ever go out.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> Yes but kiliki lives in a city of about 50,000! Hardly cottage
>> country.
>>
>> John Kane Kingston ON Canada
>
>You might be reading a number when the snowbirds fly in. Our town is about
>15,000 people. :~)

The town our mailing address is in is about 350. I love it there, but
I need the city too.

Lou

(Steve Pope) wrote in
:

> sandi > wrote:
>
(Steve Pope) wrote in
>
>>> There's a bunch more I could mention, particularly in the
>>> dependable/lower-cost and vegetarian categories (would have
>>> to second the recommendation for Cha-Ya in the latter, but
>>> I haven't been to the SF branch).
>
>>Please do the "dependable/lower-cost and vegetarian categories".
>>
>>Thank you.
>
> Gladly.
>
> But first let me make a minor correction to what I stated
> above -- Cha-ya, in Berkeley with a second location in
> the Mission district, is unrelated to the Chaya Brasserie
> noted by a previous poster.
>
> Cha-ya (with a - in the name) falls into the dependable,
> pretty low-cost, vegan category. Herbivore
> is good for vegan, with a very large menu, and they do well
> on about 90% of what they serve. For high-end vegan,
> there's Millenium (SF)... great cocktails and some very
> good food but they miss on a few items from time to time.
>
> For dependable, bargain-priced but limited menu lunch-only
> seafood there is Swan Oyster Depot.
>
> Most of the vegetarian chatt places in Berkeley are dependable
> and all are cheap; of these Vik's and Udupi Palace are good. I
> don't have a current recommendation for dependable low-cost
> Middle Eastern food right now. For nicer and higher-cost
> mideast I like Saha. For tacqueria-price-level Mexican, I
> really think Cancun in Berkeley is tops (unrelated
> to places of the same name in SF), but we probably
> go to Christopher's (in Albany) or Casa Latina
> (Berkeley) more often.
>
> A great bargain for brunch/lunch is Meal Ticket.
>
> I could ramble on for longer but I'll stop here.
>
> Steve

Thank you again. I hope to travel to the SF area this year or
next year, at the latest. It's nice to know some good places to go
to for good meals. :-)

"kilikini" > wrote in message
. com...
> John Kane wrote:
>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "kilikini" > wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> We all love to cook but a break is necessary once in awhile. Please
>>>> share five favorite restaurants in your area.
>>>
>>>> Mine are in the SF Bay area and are current, subject to change:
>>>
>>>> Slanted Door SF
>>>> Gator's Neo-Soul Cafe San Mateo
>>>> Ceasar's Berkeley
>>>> Sam's Anchor Cafe Tiburon
>>>> sit outside and watch
>>>> the boats
>>>> Gary Danko SF
>>>
>>>> Happy "fressing"
>>>
>>>> Ellie
>>>
>>> We only have one decent restaurant in town here in bohunk town
>>> Zephyrhills (Zipperhell), FL called Manolo's - obvously it's
>>> Italian. It's kind of pricey, but it's the only "real" restaurant in
>>> town that doesn't have a drive-thru or isn't a buffet. They serve
>>> American-style "Italian", but the food is good, the service has been
>>> consistently wonderful and the ambience is fantastic.
>>>
>>> I scanned in one of their take out
>>> menus...http://i28.tinypic.com/dx0ps2.jpg
>>>
>>> It's the *only* place in town. Not kidding.
>>
>> That's frightening. I live in a city of about twice the size but I
>> live within easy walking distance of a couple dozen decent
>> restaurants. Anything from French and Itallian to things like a
>> specialty Japanese sushi place or a few good Viet/Thai spots, some
>> decent Chinese and Indian places and not forgeting some of the good
>> greasy spoons.
>>
>> Chez Piggy is excellent as is Luke's. Pan Chanco one of the local
>> bakeries (actually a two story sit-down restaurant bakery and deli)
>> does excellent breakfasts and lunches. Aces High is an excellent
>> greasy spoon.
>>
>> John Kane Kingston ON Canada
>
> We've got to drive at least and hour and a half in any direction to find
> anything decent. It kind of puts a damper on the idea of going out for
> dinner. :-(
>
> kili

I just searched and found 305 restaurants in Zephyrhills. I'm sure some of
them are fast food places but there is bound to be more than just one decent
place to eat.

Ms P

(Steve Pope) wrote in
> A great bargain for brunch/lunch is Meal Ticket.
>
> I could ramble on for longer but I'll stop here.
>
> Steve

BTW where is Meal Ticket located?

Thank you

On Tue 17 Jun 2008 05:28:44p, Ms P told us...

>
> "kilikini" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> John Kane wrote:
>>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "kilikini" > wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> We all love to cook but a break is necessary once in awhile. Please
>>>>> share five favorite restaurants in your area.
>>>>
>>>>> Mine are in the SF Bay area and are current, subject to change:
>>>>
>>>>> Slanted Door SF
>>>>> Gator's Neo-Soul Cafe San Mateo
>>>>> Ceasar's Berkeley
>>>>> Sam's Anchor Cafe Tiburon
>>>>> sit outside and watch
>>>>> the boats
>>>>> Gary Danko SF
>>>>
>>>>> Happy "fressing"
>>>>
>>>>> Ellie
>>>>
>>>> We only have one decent restaurant in town here in bohunk town
>>>> Zephyrhills (Zipperhell), FL called Manolo's - obvously it's
>>>> Italian. It's kind of pricey, but it's the only "real" restaurant in
>>>> town that doesn't have a drive-thru or isn't a buffet. They serve
>>>> American-style "Italian", but the food is good, the service has been
>>>> consistently wonderful and the ambience is fantastic.
>>>>
>>>> I scanned in one of their take out
>>>> menus...http://i28.tinypic.com/dx0ps2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> It's the *only* place in town. Not kidding.
>>>
>>> That's frightening. I live in a city of about twice the size but I
>>> live within easy walking distance of a couple dozen decent
>>> restaurants. Anything from French and Itallian to things like a
>>> specialty Japanese sushi place or a few good Viet/Thai spots, some
>>> decent Chinese and Indian places and not forgeting some of the good
>>> greasy spoons.
>>>
>>> Chez Piggy is excellent as is Luke's. Pan Chanco one of the local
>>> bakeries (actually a two story sit-down restaurant bakery and deli)
>>> does excellent breakfasts and lunches. Aces High is an excellent
>>> greasy spoon.
>>>
>>> John Kane Kingston ON Canada
>>
>> We've got to drive at least and hour and a half in any direction to
>> find anything decent. It kind of puts a damper on the idea of going
>> out for dinner. :-(
>>
>> kili
>
> I just searched and found 305 restaurants in Zephyrhills. I'm sure some
> of them are fast food places but there is bound to be more than just one
> decent place to eat.
>
> Ms P
>
>

There are hundreds of non fast food restaurants in the greater Phoenix,
many of which are quite good. I've been trying to think which ones I would
recommend. Hopefully, before this thread is dead I will decide. :-)

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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:45:21 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:


>There are hundreds of non fast food restaurants in the greater Phoenix,
>many of which are quite good. I've been trying to think which ones I would
>recommend. Hopefully, before this thread is dead I will decide. :-)

Two Words: Pizzeria Bianco.

http://www.pizzeriabianco.com/

It's amazing.

Christine

On Tue 17 Jun 2008 05:51:44p, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:45:21 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>
>>There are hundreds of non fast food restaurants in the greater Phoenix,
>>many of which are quite good. I've been trying to think which ones I
>>would recommend. Hopefully, before this thread is dead I will decide.
>>:-)
>
> Two Words: Pizzeria Bianco.
>
> http://www.pizzeriabianco.com/
>
> It's amazing.
>
> Christine
>

Yes, that one is definitely on my "A" list!

--
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(Steve Pope) wrote in
:

> sandi > wrote:
>
>>BTW where is Meal Ticket located?
>
> Meal ticket is at 1235 San Pablo Avenue in Albany.
> They were formerly located in Berkeley; if you google
> up a Berkeley address it is not current.
>
> Steve

:-) Thank you Steve!

sandi > wrote:

>BTW where is Meal Ticket located?

Meal ticket is at 1235 San Pablo Avenue in Albany.
They were formerly located in Berkeley; if you google
up a Berkeley address it is not current.

Steve

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
6.120...
> On Tue 17 Jun 2008 05:28:44p, Ms P told us...
>
>>
>> "kilikini" > wrote in message
>> . com...
>>> John Kane wrote:
>>>> On Jun 16, 4:58 pm, "kilikini" > wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> We only have one decent restaurant in town here in bohunk town
>>>>> Zephyrhills (Zipperhell), FL called Manolo's - obvously it's
>>>>> Italian. It's kind of pricey, but it's the only "real" restaurant in
>>>>> town that doesn't have a drive-thru or isn't a buffet. They serve
>>>>> American-style "Italian", but the food is good, the service has been
>>>>> consistently wonderful and the ambience is fantastic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I scanned in one of their take out
>>>>> menus...http://i28.tinypic.com/dx0ps2.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the *only* place in town. Not kidding.
>>>>
>>>> That's frightening. I live in a city of about twice the size but I
>>>> live within easy walking distance of a couple dozen decent
>>>> restaurants. Anything from French and Itallian to things like a
>>>> specialty Japanese sushi place or a few good Viet/Thai spots, some
>>>> decent Chinese and Indian places and not forgeting some of the good
>>>> greasy spoons.
>>>>
>>>> Chez Piggy is excellent as is Luke's. Pan Chanco one of the local
>>>> bakeries (actually a two story sit-down restaurant bakery and deli)
>>>> does excellent breakfasts and lunches. Aces High is an excellent
>>>> greasy spoon.
>>>>
>>>> John Kane Kingston ON Canada
>>>
>>> We've got to drive at least and hour and a half in any direction to
>>> find anything decent. It kind of puts a damper on the idea of going
>>> out for dinner. :-(
>>>
>>> kili
>>
>> I just searched and found 305 restaurants in Zephyrhills. I'm sure some
>> of them are fast food places but there is bound to be more than just one
>> decent place to eat.
>>
>> Ms P
>>
>>
>
> There are hundreds of non fast food restaurants in the greater Phoenix,
> many of which are quite good. I've been trying to think which ones I
> would
> recommend. Hopefully, before this thread is dead I will decide. :-)
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

I think I've finally settled on

El Zarape
Hanna's
Plank's
Lone Star
Applebee's

The first three are local joints. The last two are chains but they're the
only places in town you're going to get something resembling a fresh
vegetable that doesn't come off a salad bar. There's one place with an
outstanding salad bar but the rest of their food is just not that great so I
left them off the list.

Ms P

Christine Dabney > wrote in message
...
[snip]
> Two Words: Pizzeria Bianco.
> http://www.pizzeriabianco.com/

I have a decidedly different take on this place...

http://www.chowhound.com/topics/96261
http://www.chowhound.com/topics/95773#523445

Avoid Pizzeria Bianco; underwhelmingly poor.

The Ranger

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:45:25 -0700, "The Ranger"
> wrote:

>Christine Dabney > wrote in message
.. .
>[snip]
>> Two Words: Pizzeria Bianco.
>> http://www.pizzeriabianco.com/
>
>I have a decidedly different take on this place...
>
>http://www.chowhound.com/topics/96261
>http://www.chowhound.com/topics/95773#523445
>
>Avoid Pizzeria Bianco; underwhelmingly poor.
>
>The Ranger
>

Have you eaten there?

I have. It is incredibly good.

Christine

On Tue 17 Jun 2008 09:49:07p, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:45:25 -0700, "The Ranger"
> > wrote:
>
>>Christine Dabney > wrote in message
. .. [snip]
>>> Two Words: Pizzeria Bianco. http://www.pizzeriabianco.com/
>>
>>I have a decidedly different take on this place...
>>
>>http://www.chowhound.com/topics/96261
>>http://www.chowhound.com/topics/95773#523445
>>
>>Avoid Pizzeria Bianco; underwhelmingly poor.
>>
>>The Ranger
>>
>
> Have you eaten there?
>
> I have. It is incredibly good.
>
> Christine
>

Consider the source, Christine.

--
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:49:07 -0600, Christine Dabney
> wrote:


>Have you eaten there?
>
>I have. It is incredibly good.
>
>Christine

Following up to my own post.

I ate there with some other rfc'ers. We had a great experience, and
tried all of the pizzas, as well as some of the appetizers. They were
superlative... We ate at the bar, and had great service.

I am sorry you had a bad experience...but I personally think that it
was some of the best pizza I have ever had. If you were expecting
other than Neopolitan style pizza, then you went to the wrong place.

It is Neopolitan style, pure and simple..and many Americans are not
used to that style of pizza and compare it unfavorably to the type of
pizza they are used to.

Christine

On Tue 17 Jun 2008 09:55:43p, Christine Dabney told us...

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:49:07 -0600, Christine Dabney
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Have you eaten there?
>>
>>I have. It is incredibly good.
>>
>>Christine
>
> Following up to my own post.
>
> I ate there with some other rfc'ers. We had a great experience, and
> tried all of the pizzas, as well as some of the appetizers. They were
> superlative... We ate at the bar, and had great service.
>
> I am sorry you had a bad experience...but I personally think that it
> was some of the best pizza I have ever had. If you were expecting
> other than Neopolitan style pizza, then you went to the wrong place.
>
> It is Neopolitan style, pure and simple..and many Americans are not
> used to that style of pizza and compare it unfavorably to the type of
> pizza they are used to.
>
> Christine
>

Well said.

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Ms P wrote:
>>
>> We've got to drive at least and hour and a half in any direction to
>> find anything decent. It kind of puts a damper on the idea of going
>> out for dinner. :-(
>>
>> kili
>
> I just searched and found 305 restaurants in Zephyrhills. I'm sure
> some of them are fast food places but there is bound to be more than
> just one decent place to eat.
>
> Ms P

You should see what some mom & pop owners consider to be restaurants. We
mostly have chains like Clocks, Village Inn, Golden Corral, Morrisson's,
Pizza Hut, Sonny's, Lupton's, etc. We do have a lot of restaurants, but
they're either buffet-style, chains, fast-food, the back of someone's
dilapidated house, or they're closed.

I've GOT to take a picture of this fish place because no one would ever
believe it, but the guy sells and cooks seafood out of a falling apart
trailer and has for 30 years. The trailer has car parts in the yard, old
motors - it literally looks like a junk yard. You walk in to the place and
the smell of rancid grease and ammonia from old seafood is so strong, it
sends you reeling. I've talked to the guy's wife before and if *she* won't
even go in there anymore, you know it's bad. LOL.

kili

Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:45:21 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>
>> There are hundreds of non fast food restaurants in the greater
>> Phoenix, many of which are quite good. I've been trying to think
>> which ones I would recommend. Hopefully, before this thread is dead
>> I will decide. :-)
>
> Two Words: Pizzeria Bianco.
>
> http://www.pizzeriabianco.com/
>
> It's amazing.
>
> Christine

I think I saw that on Oprah - not that I typically watch Oprah, I just
caught this episode. It was the search for America's best pizza. I think
this place was featured.

kili

"Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message
...
> Hoges in WA wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> We all love to cook but a break is necessary once in awhile. Please
>>> share five favorite restaurants in your area.
>>>
>>>snipped
>>
>> In San Diego, we went to a Fisherman's Wharf type of restaurant alongside
>> the Midway but it wasn't that flash. Nor was the restaurant alongside
>> our hotel on Hotel Circle - Joe's or Bill's or something.
>
> Probably Ricky's. My sister used to work there. :-)

That's the one - has a whole lot of banknotes and coins under glass from all
over the world.


> > Didn't have time for
>> the old town Mexican Cantina but it looked really good and my mate has
>> just come back from three weeks in the area and said it was superb - he
>> went three times with his family.
>
> Most of the restaurants in Old Town are quite good. We favor Casa de
> Nopales.

Maybe that's the one? - I typed Mexican Cantina but didn't mean it as a
place name - it's a mostly open air affair with a garden area and a stage
plus an outdoor oven.

> Serene

If you live in those parts you are certainly in a great part of the world.
We were supposed to be going to SF until the January storms hit and changed
to SD - what a great city, apart from the driving hassles. It doesn't seem
to get the big wrap that other places seem to get re attractions etc (apart
from SeaWorld/Zoo) We were amazed at Balboa Park and the harbour area. Of
course, you have to tolerate those Chargers but that's a small price to pay.
It's on our list to return to.
Hoges in WA

On Wed 18 Jun 2008 02:29:11a, kilikini told us...

> Christine Dabney wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:45:21 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> There are hundreds of non fast food restaurants in the greater
>>> Phoenix, many of which are quite good. I've been trying to think
>>> which ones I would recommend. Hopefully, before this thread is dead
>>> I will decide. :-)
>>
>> Two Words: Pizzeria Bianco.
>>
>> http://www.pizzeriabianco.com/
>>
>> It's amazing.
>>
>> Christine
>
> I think I saw that on Oprah - not that I typically watch Oprah, I just
> caught this episode. It was the search for America's best pizza. I
think
> this place was featured.
>
> kili
>
>
>

You would be correct! And it was voted America's best pizza.

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Christine Dabney > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:45:25 -0700, "The Ranger"
> > wrote:
>>Christine Dabney > wrote in message
. ..
>>[snip]
>>> Two Words: Pizzeria Bianco.
>>> http://www.pizzeriabianco.com/
>>
>>I have a decidedly different take on this place...
>>
>>http://www.chowhound.com/topics/96261
>>http://www.chowhound.com/topics/95773#523445
>>
>>Avoid Pizzeria Bianco; underwhelmingly poor.
>>
> Have you eaten there?
>
Yes; and neither experience was positive.

"Knowing that our tastes and expectations are often different
from many people, we gave Pizzaria Bianco two tries within the
same week. We were so underwhelmed that my wife
uncharacteristically stated an absolute towards any future
business with them.

"Our first meals were okay. While we were not overtly snubbed,
the service "seemed off." The margareta pizza we ordered was
fairly good and so we justified giving them another chance
later that same week.

"The second meal we brought my daughters with us. The service
was again "off". My daughters were the obvious focus even
though all three were well-behaved (so noted the three couples
of gray foxes next to us). This server-inspired bias caused me
to be a little more forward with him. His service improved but
the food was uninspired and flat.

"When we got back to the car, my wife was sure to tell me that
we would not give them our standard three-strikes.

"Mediocre food and poor service are two obstacles that will
make me look elsewhere for dining out."

> I have. It is incredibly good.

There are other choices in the Phoenix area that are better
run, have better product, and don't have snob-hype to push the
Gotta-Go-There attitudes.

The Ranger

On Jun 17, 2:29*pm, "kilikini" > wrote:
> John Kane wrote:
> > On Jun 17, 11:43 am, Lou Decruss > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:26:25 -0400, "kilikini"
>
> >> > wrote:
> >>> We've got to drive at least and hour and a half in any direction to
> >>> find anything decent. It kind of puts a damper on the idea of going
> >>> out for dinner. :-(
>
> >> That's how it is at our cottage. Fast food is 45 minutes away and any
> >> real restaurant is well over an hour. But we don't go there to go out
> >> to eat. During the week we're in the city and there's dozens of
> >> decent places we can walk to. But we still hardly ever go out.
>
> >> Lou
>
> > Yes but kiliki lives in a city of about 50,000! *Hardly cottage
> > country.
>
> > John Kane Kingston ON Canada
>
> You might be reading a number when the snowbirds fly in. *Our town is about
> 15,000 people. *:~)
>
> kili-
OOPs , that seemed to be what the website said

Still Perth with 6,000 managed two 'fancy' restaurants, a couple -
three good sitdown greasy spoons plus a few fast food places.


John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Jun 17, 3:41*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:29:39 -0400, "kilikini"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >John Kane wrote:
> >> On Jun 17, 11:43 am, Lou Decruss > wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:26:25 -0400, "kilikini"
>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>> We've got to drive at least and hour and a half in any direction to
> >>>> find anything decent. It kind of puts a damper on the idea of going
> >>>> out for dinner. :-(
>
> >>> That's how it is at our cottage. Fast food is 45 minutes away and any
> >>> real restaurant is well over an hour. But we don't go there to go out
> >>> to eat. During the week we're in the city and there's dozens of
> >>> decent places we can walk to. But we still hardly ever go out.
>
> >>> Lou
>
> >> Yes but kiliki lives in a city of about 50,000! *Hardly cottage
> >> country.
>
> >> John Kane Kingston ON Canada
>
> >You might be reading a number when the snowbirds fly in. *Our town is about
> >15,000 people. *:~)
>
> The town our mailing address is in is about 350. *I love it there, but
> I need the city too.
>
> Lou *- Hide quoted text -

Now that's cottage country.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Jun 17, 9:55 pm, Christine Dabney > wrote:
> I ate there with some other rfc'ers. We had a great
> experience, and tried all of the pizzas, as well as
> some of the appetizers. They were superlative...
> We ate at the bar, and had great service.

Our experiences were polar opposite. Mediocre pizzas and really poor
service. I can get those qualities at any other pizzeria, well not so
much the poor service but mediocre pizzas, definitely.

> [..] If you were expecting other than Neopolitan style
> pizza, then you went to the wrong place.
>
> It is Neopolitan style, pure and simple..and many
> Americans are not used to that style of pizza and
> compare it unfavorably to the type of pizza they
> are used to.

I was well-aware of the type of pizza we were served. It just wasn't
worth the hype. There were too many other choices to try locally to
give it more than two tries.

The Ranger

On Jun 17, 9:54 pm, Duh-wayne Butthead brayed loudly:
[snip forgettable text]

I wish you nothing but the best either toad: FOaD.

Steve Pope wrote:

> Cha-ya (with a - in the name) falls into the dependable,
> pretty low-cost, vegan category. Herbivore
> is good for vegan, with a very large menu, and they do well
> on about 90% of what they serve. For high-end vegan,
> there's Millenium (SF)... great cocktails and some very
> good food but they miss on a few items from time to time.

I still haven't been to either of these places. One of these days...

>
> For dependable, bargain-priced but limited menu lunch-only
> seafood there is Swan Oyster Depot.
>
> Most of the vegetarian chatt places in Berkeley are dependable
> and all are cheap; of these Vik's and Udupi Palace are good. I
> don't have a current recommendation for dependable low-cost
> Middle Eastern food right now.

Sunshine Deli (yeah, it's a deli, but still) on Bancroft at the south
end of UC Berkeley is good, but the service is just barely civil, so
don't look for friendly.

> For nicer and higher-cost
> mideast I like Saha. For tacqueria-price-level Mexican, I
> really think Cancun in Berkeley is tops (unrelated
> to places of the same name in SF), but we probably
> go to Christopher's (in Albany) or Casa Latina
> (Berkeley) more often.
>
> A great bargain for brunch/lunch is Meal Ticket.
>
> I could ramble on for longer but I'll stop here.

Thanks for the recommendations!

Here are our favorite local cheap eats:

Addis Eritrean, North Oakland: $20 for the Addis combo will feed three
people easily. There's not as much selection as at Cafe Colucci nearby,
but it's cheaper, and we find the food to be better. Plus, they're not
crowded the way Colucci always is.

Bowser's Pizza, downtown Berkeley: Best pizza I've ever had. Better than
the stuff we had at Tommaso's in the city last night, and really
friendly service.

Bear Naked Burgers, Temescal, and The Smokehouse, North Oakland or South
Berkeley (I'm not sure which): Good burgers, decent prices, for when
James just has to have a hamburger

Sura Korean, Temescal: Not dirt-cheap, but really reasonable, and the
dozen or so little kim chee dishes that come with every meal are both
delicious and fun, so it's a perfect place to take visitors. The service
is friendly in the extreme, and the atmosphere is fancier than the price
tag would suggest.

Long Life Vegi & Seafood, Berkeley: One of my favorites since I moved
here. Lots of gluten- and soy-based "meat substitutes", but also lots of
interesting fish dishes. I really like their pork substitute (gluten);
Guy prefers the chicken (soy).

Mt. Everest Nepalese, Berkeley: Really yummy food. Again, not
dirt-cheap, but a really good price for the food and atmosphere.

Acapulco (Mexican), in Alameda. Not part of the Acapulco's chain. This
place has been around 50+ years, and it's the first place I found with
Mexican food like I could get in San Diego. (I haven't tried many places
in the Fruitvale yet, so this place is my fave so far.)

Saysetha Thai, north Oakland, and Tuk Tuk Thai, downtown Berkeley: Good
(not superlative, but quite good) Thai food, reasonable prices, good
service.

Anzu sushi/Japanese, downtown Berkeley: Really good and fresh sushi,
perfect service, extra-cheap. So satisfactory that I've not really been
all that tempted to try Kirala down the street, because for the money,
it may be better, but I already have sushi I like available in the
neighborhood.

Serene

Hoges in WA wrote:
> "Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hoges in WA wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...

>>> Didn't have time for
>>> the old town Mexican Cantina but it looked really good and my mate has
>>> just come back from three weeks in the area and said it was superb - he
>>> went three times with his family.
>> Most of the restaurants in Old Town are quite good. We favor Casa de
>> Nopales.
>
> Maybe that's the one? - I typed Mexican Cantina but didn't mean it as a
> place name - it's a mostly open air affair with a garden area and a stage
> plus an outdoor oven.

Sounds like either Casa de Nopales or Casa de Bandini, but there are a
lot of Casa des around there, all quite good. I like Casa de Pedrorena, too.

>
>> Serene
>
> If you live in those parts you are certainly in a great part of the world.

I did for most of my life, but I moved to Oakland a few years ago.

> We were supposed to be going to SF until the January storms hit and changed
> to SD - what a great city, apart from the driving hassles. It doesn't seem
> to get the big wrap that other places seem to get re attractions etc (apart
> from SeaWorld/Zoo) We were amazed at Balboa Park and the harbour area. Of
> course, you have to tolerate those Chargers but that's a small price to pay.

Hee! Well, I like the town, and glad you had a good time.

Serene

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:24:18 -0700 (PDT), "mequeenbe.nospam"
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

<snip>

>Langer's Deli, LA, take the redline from Union Station & get off at
>Wilshire/Alvarado

<snip>

OMG, Langer's is the *only* deli in SoCal that makes a decent pastrami
on rye (and the NYC rfc gang knows about my passion for good
pastrami). El jefe (my boss) and I do rock-paper-scissors when we go
to LA Superior or District Court as to whether we go to Langer's (my
pick) or the Pacific Dining Car (his fave) for lunch (breakfast if
it's *before* court). The food's okay at PDC, pricey, but you can get
anything on their menu all over SoCal. Okay, maybe not the eggs
sardou...

And the other joint I love for breakfast is The Original Pantry near
the courthouses. Their french toast is the only french toast I've ever
had that is more egg than toast! I didn't know until last week that
ex-Mayor Riordan owned the place.
--

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

"Some weasel took the cork out of my lunch!"

-- W.C. Fields

> There are hundreds of non fast food restaurants in the greater Phoenix,
> many of which are quite good. I've been trying to think which ones I
> would
> recommend. Hopefully, before this thread is dead I will decide. :-)
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

Wayne,

Have you ever been to The Top of Rock in Tempe? It's quite pricey, but a
drink can be had in the bar and you can still get the benefit of the view.

http://phoenix.about.com/cs/restrevi...ftherock01.htm

Chris in Pearland, TX whose husband could happily live in AZ

On Thu 19 Jun 2008 01:52:51p, Chris Marksberry told us...

>
>> There are hundreds of non fast food restaurants in the greater Phoenix,
>> many of which are quite good. I've been trying to think which ones I
>> would recommend. Hopefully, before this thread is dead I will decide.
>> :-)
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
> Wayne,
>
> Have you ever been to The Top of Rock in Tempe? It's quite pricey, but a
> drink can be had in the bar and you can still get the benefit of the
view.
>
> http://phoenix.about.com/cs/restrevi...ftherock01.htm
>
> Chris in Pearland, TX whose husband could happily live in AZ

No, Chris, we haven't, but I'll certainly put that on my "must try" list.
I have heard of it, but don't know anyone here who has been. We moved here
in 2000, and I still have a long list of places that we want to try.
Thanks for the suggestion!



--
Wayne Boatwright
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Bryan wrote:

> We used to drive up there to see the hill when the flatness was driving us
> nuts. Lake Wales has an even better hill.

I used to live in Lake Wales! If I ever find myself in that part of the
country again, I'll take Lin on a picnic at the Bok Tower.

Bob

On Jun 19, 11:14*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> > We used to drive up there to see the hill when the flatness was driving us
> > nuts. Lake Wales has an even better hill.
>
> I used to live in Lake Wales! If I ever find myself in that part of the
> country again, I'll take Lin on a picnic at the Bok Tower.

Bok Tower Gardens was the reason that we used to go to Lake Wales.
Heck, in a hundred years that carrillon tower will likely be like a
lighthouse on a small island.
>
> Bob

--Bryan