On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:53:05 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>One
>friend in particular has 2 kitchens. 1 upstairs and 1 in the lower level.
>She could open a catering business. Weird thing is they seldom cook in it.
>Go figure.

In my experience - that's usually the case. The more eye candy in a
kitchen, the less it's used.


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Mae West

Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
6.120:

> On Fri 20 Jun 2008 10:49:20a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright >
>> 6.120: in
>> rec.food.cooking
>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, even low-end natural stone counters are too high-end
>>> for my budget. Luckily, I'm quite happy with what I have.
>>
>> Have you looked at Sile Stone? My youngest brother just put it in
>> his kitchen and he loves it. I don't think it is nearly expensive as
>> some of the other stone.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>
> Yes, I like Sile Stone, and it looks very durable. However, stone
> just wasn't an option when we did this house. Since it's only a year
> and a half old, it's not likely we'll be making changes any too soon.
> I'm pretty happy with what we have.
>

Friends of mine...took maple wood flooring and thickly covered/painted it
with a thick epoxy resin for their countertops. For years now it has been
scratch and mar free. You could follow a similar idea, but incorporate
art, photos or whatever and get a more personalized countertop. I think
the new bamboo flooring would work well with this concept.

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The house of the burning beet-Alan

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> I've got tile counters, and I hate them. I can't knead bread dough or roll
> out pie dough on them. I'd much rather have something like a phenolic resin
> counter. Or Corian.
>
> Bob
>
I can't stand the "noise" of tile when you put a plate or something down
on it. The crevices also would drive me batty.

On Fri 20 Jun 2008 12:08:20p, hahabogus told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
> 6.120:
>
>> On Fri 20 Jun 2008 10:49:20a, Michael "Dog3" told us...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright >
>>> 6.120: in
>>> rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, even low-end natural stone counters are too high-end
>>>> for my budget. Luckily, I'm quite happy with what I have.
>>>
>>> Have you looked at Sile Stone? My youngest brother just put it in
>>> his kitchen and he loves it. I don't think it is nearly expensive as
>>> some of the other stone.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I like Sile Stone, and it looks very durable. However, stone
>> just wasn't an option when we did this house. Since it's only a year
>> and a half old, it's not likely we'll be making changes any too soon.
>> I'm pretty happy with what we have.
>>
>
> Friends of mine...took maple wood flooring and thickly covered/painted it
> with a thick epoxy resin for their countertops. For years now it has been
> scratch and mar free. You could follow a similar idea, but incorporate
> art, photos or whatever and get a more personalized countertop. I think
> the new bamboo flooring would work well with this concept.
>

That sounds like a really nice idea and look. I'd probably skip the
artwork and photos, though. It would remind me too much of the decoupage
of the '60s-'70s.

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On Jun 20, 4:04*am, "kilikini" > wrote:
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> > Jill wrote:
>
> >> I'm getting sick of HGTV and all the home magazines screaming
> >> "granite!" for counter tops every time they do a kitchen remodel. Formica
> >> is dated, of course. *I'd like a glass tile or ceramic tile
> >> counter tops. *Sure, both are breakable but I don't plan to take a
> >> sledgehammer to the counters and I'm not that dangerous in the
> >> kitchen *Mom's neighbor has ceramic tile counterops; she can set
> >> a hot pan right off the burner on it without bothering with hot
> >> pads. *It's inexpensive, very attractive and touching up the grout
> >> if it gets grungy is a fairly easy cosmetic thing to do.
>
> > I've got tile counters, and I hate them. I can't knead bread dough or
> > roll out pie dough on them. I'd much rather have something like a
> > phenolic resin counter. Or Corian.
>
> > Bob
>
> I used to clean a house for a guy who had tile counters. *I hated cleaning
> that kitchen! *The counters were white tiles with white grout. *I'd bleach
> and bleach that grout and still couldn't get all the grease stains out. *(I
> don't think it was sealed very well in the whole installation process.) *The
> grout never looked clean enough to me and many of the tiles were cracked so
> the cracks turned brown. *No amount of straight bleach took that out.
>
> Now that you mention it, Bob, it never occured to me about rolling anything
> out, like pizza dough, on tile. *You made an excellent point. *For me, if
> money wouldn't be a factor in my choice of counters, I'd opt for Corian or
> marble. *I really wouldn't suggest tile. *And to go one step further, I have
> a tile floor in my kitchen - another case of installation disaster. *More
> grout that wasn't sealed properly and it's not grouted high enough, if that
> makes any sense. *I have to sweep, sweep, sweep in order to try to get
> dropped food crumbs out from the grooves. *It's better to vacuum the floor
> than to sweep it. *And, if you drop anything glass, the item shatters and
> spreads shards of glass all over the place. *If you accidentally drop a pan,
> the pan dents, let a fork fall, the tines bend...to be honest, I'd rather
> have the cheaper linoleum. *What I *do* like about our tile flooring is that
> it's a marbeled beige color and it hides spots *really* well until I can do
> a thorough mopping. *If a tile floor is installed well, people wouldn't have
> the issues I have, but mine was obviously not done by a professional. *LOL.
> (The tiles aren't even lined up right.) * *:~)
>
> kili- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Have you ever dropped Corelle on your tile floor? For something that's
suppossed to be unbreakable, it's surprising how many thousands of
shards of glass you have to clean up!

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:00:00 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>Dinner will be spare, too. Grilled chicken breast and veggies. :-(

Poor baby.... my heart is bleeding for you!
<it doesn't sound bad to me!>


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Mae West

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:08:55 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>It wasn't *my* retirement, damn it. I wish it was!

I *want* to be one of those too.... but listening to nb, maybe
retirement isn't everything it's cracked up to be.


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I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"l, not -l" > wrote in
:

>
> On 20-Jun-2008, sf <.> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:08:55 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >It wasn't *my* retirement, damn it. I wish it was!
>>
>> I *want* to be one of those too.... but listening to nb,
>> maybe retirement isn't everything it's cracked up to be.
>
> I felt the same way when I retired, nearly 4 years ago, at age
> 57. After about 6 months, I adjusted to a much less
> regimented life, began doing all the things I didn't have time
> for, or was too exhausted to do, when working.
> Now, I'm busier than ever - but with only things I find
> enjoyable. I
> don't miss "work" in the least.

Lucky you!

I look forward for the big day! I have SO very much I want to do
but can't with a full time job.

Congratulations.

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:49:05 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>WHAT'S FOR LUNCH?!?

I had a one egg cheese omelet around 11AM - so lunch for me was a
Cherry Garcia ice cream bar on a stick at 4PM. Dinner will be
spaghetti (that we boil ourselves - hard work) and tomato sauce that
my son's SO cooked up yesterday. She's such a sweetheart! I hope he
gives her a ring soon.


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I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Fri 20 Jun 2008 07:34:23p, sf told us...

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:08:55 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>It wasn't *my* retirement, damn it. I wish it was!
>
> I *want* to be one of those too.... but listening to nb, maybe
> retirement isn't everything it's cracked up to be.

Barbara, if my health permits it, I plan to work until I'm 70 or at least
close to that. In light of that, what I am looking forward to is
qualifying to draw my full Social Security and still earn as much as I want
to at my job. For me that means age 66, but I'm not there yet. David will
probably do the same, if possible. We really need to put some funds aside
and, at present, we're simply not able to.

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On Fri 20 Jun 2008 07:32:34p, sf told us...

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:00:00 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>Dinner will be spare, too. Grilled chicken breast and veggies. :-(
>
> Poor baby.... my heart is bleeding for you!
> <it doesn't sound bad to me!>

It's not at all a bad meal, but repetition of it is getting old.

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:49:59 -0700 (PDT), merryb >
wrote:

>Have you ever dropped Corelle on your tile floor? For something that's
>suppossed to be unbreakable, it's surprising how many thousands of
>shards of glass you have to clean up!

I've heard that before... why stick with Corelle when other dinnerware
is so much prettier?


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Alan wrote:

> There's also acid stained concrete. With a mirror finish it looks nice
> and is reasonably priced.

That's what I want to do with my FLOORS (though not in the kitchen; there,
I'd prefer a surface which would be more forgiving of dropped glassware).

http://www.concretenetwork.com/photo...crete-floors_1 is a gallery
of painted concrete flooring; I have a hard time deciding which I like best!

Bob

On Fri 20 Jun 2008 08:45:11p, sf told us...

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:49:59 -0700 (PDT), merryb >
> wrote:
>
>>Have you ever dropped Corelle on your tile floor? For something that's
>>suppossed to be unbreakable, it's surprising how many thousands of
>>shards of glass you have to clean up!
>
> I've heard that before... why stick with Corelle when other dinnerware
> is so much prettier?

Under most circumstances, they are relatively unbreakable. I don't have a
set of Corelle, but I do have multiple plain Corelle fruit bowls that I use
to feed out five cats when they're served canned food. I don't like
feeding them out of metal or plastic containers.



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Nancy wrote:

>> Solid surface materials like Corian also have many good attributes
>> and are available in many attractive patterns.
>
> I see they have more attractive choices, I saw one one show
> they call it having 'movement', I call it not being so lifeless and
> dull as the early stuff.

That's not a huge problem for me. My original idea was to get counters made
from the same stuff used to make the black-surfaced counters in the science
labs in schools. (AFAICT, those are made from Durcon, or some similar epoxy
resin.)

Bob

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:15:28 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>> I've got tile counters, and I hate them. I can't knead bread dough or roll
>> out pie dough on them. I'd much rather have something like a phenolic resin
>> counter. Or Corian.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>I can't stand the "noise" of tile when you put a plate or something down
>on it. The crevices also would drive me batty.

That's why I have a cutting board on top of my (peninsula) tile. It's
our battle station. I put smaller cutting boards on top of the
big one to do most of my kitchen cutting jobs.



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I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>On Fri 20 Jun 2008 08:45:11p, sf told us...

>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:49:59 -0700 (PDT), merryb >
>> wrote:

>>>Have you ever dropped Corelle on your tile floor? For something that's
>>>suppossed to be unbreakable, it's surprising how many thousands of
>>>shards of glass you have to clean up!

>> I've heard that before... why stick with Corelle when other dinnerware
>> is so much prettier?

>Under most circumstances, they are relatively unbreakable. I don't have a
>set of Corelle, but I do have multiple plain Corelle fruit bowls that I use
>to feed out five cats when they're served canned food. I don't like
>feeding them out of metal or plastic containers.

As I child I was curious about the claim that a Corelle item
would not break when dropped with normal force. I dropped a cereal
bowl on the floor from shoulder height several times, and it did not
break in the slightest. Then, I dropped it on-edge, and it
shattered into hundreds if not thousands of pieces. So I would
say it is a reasonably strong, very brittle material.

My mom was not impressed with the science value of this experiment.

Steve

On Fri 20 Jun 2008 08:51:32p, Bob Terwilliger told us...

> Alan wrote:
>
>> There's also acid stained concrete. With a mirror finish it looks nice
>> and is reasonably priced.
>
> That's what I want to do with my FLOORS (though not in the kitchen;
> there, I'd prefer a surface which would be more forgiving of dropped
> glassware).
>
> http://www.concretenetwork.com/photo...crete-floors_1 is a
> gallery of painted concrete flooring; I have a hard time deciding which
> I like best!
>
> Bob

I love the look. Our new office building has this through the major
portionis of the ground floor. I would actually live having it in the
kitchen despite the risk to dropped items. (I rarely ever drop anything.)
However, we have wood floors underneath or floor covering.


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On Fri 20 Jun 2008 09:04:34p, Bob Terwilliger told us...

> Nancy wrote:
>
>>> Solid surface materials like Corian also have many good attributes
>>> and are available in many attractive patterns.
>>
>> I see they have more attractive choices, I saw one one show
>> they call it having 'movement', I call it not being so lifeless and
>> dull as the early stuff.
>
> That's not a huge problem for me. My original idea was to get counters
made
> from the same stuff used to make the black-surfaced counters in the
science
> labs in schools. (AFAICT, those are made from Durcon, or some similar
epoxy
> resin.)
>
> Bob

I like that idea and look. The material is virtually impervious to
anything you might spill on it. I wonder what the comparative cost is to
other surfaces.



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On Fri 20 Jun 2008 09:16:43p, Steve Pope told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>>On Fri 20 Jun 2008 08:45:11p, sf told us...
>
>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:49:59 -0700 (PDT), merryb >
>>> wrote:
>
>>>>Have you ever dropped Corelle on your tile floor? For something that's
>>>>suppossed to be unbreakable, it's surprising how many thousands of
>>>>shards of glass you have to clean up!
>
>>> I've heard that before... why stick with Corelle when other dinnerware
>>> is so much prettier?
>
>>Under most circumstances, they are relatively unbreakable. I don't have
>>a set of Corelle, but I do have multiple plain Corelle fruit bowls that
>>I use to feed out five cats when they're served canned food. I don't
>>like feeding them out of metal or plastic containers.
>
> As I child I was curious about the claim that a Corelle item
> would not break when dropped with normal force. I dropped a cereal
> bowl on the floor from shoulder height several times, and it did not
> break in the slightest. Then, I dropped it on-edge, and it
> shattered into hundreds if not thousands of pieces. So I would
> say it is a reasonably strong, very brittle material.
>
> My mom was not impressed with the science value of this experiment.
>
> Steve
>

LOL! It is glass, after all, but a ceramic type glass similar to that used
for glass top cooktops. Dropping it on edge is something like hitting a
boxer on his glass jaw. Utter destruction.

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Wayne wrote about stained concrete flooring:

> I love the look. Our new office building has this through the major
> portionis of the ground floor. I would actually live having it in the
> kitchen despite the risk to dropped items. (I rarely ever drop anything.)
> However, we have wood floors underneath or floor covering.

I also like the fact that a concrete floor is inherently cool; it makes it
easier to keep the house cool. And if the floor ISN'T cool, you can cool it
off just by mopping it! (This trick wouldn't necessarily work elsewhere. If
your humidity is high, mopping the floor will just add to the humidity and
the water won't evaporate. But it's very dry here, so the water evaporates
and the net effect is to cool the floor.)

When I lived in San Diego I had painted concrete floors; that's where I
learned to appreciate them. It's a lot hotter where I am now, so concrete
floors make even more sense.

For the kitchen, I'm trying to find out more about eucalyptus or cork
flooring. Both seem to offer the "forgiving" surface I'd like when I'm
carrying around slippery crystalware.

Bob

On Fri 20 Jun 2008 09:55:46p, Bob Terwilliger told us...

> Wayne wrote about stained concrete flooring:
>
>> I love the look. Our new office building has this through the major
>> portionis of the ground floor. I would actually live having it in the
>> kitchen despite the risk to dropped items. (I rarely ever drop
anything.)
>> However, we have wood floors underneath or floor covering.
>
> I also like the fact that a concrete floor is inherently cool; it makes
it
> easier to keep the house cool. And if the floor ISN'T cool, you can cool
it
> off just by mopping it! (This trick wouldn't necessarily work elsewhere.
If
> your humidity is high, mopping the floor will just add to the humidity
and
> the water won't evaporate. But it's very dry here, so the water
evaporates
> and the net effect is to cool the floor.)
>
> When I lived in San Diego I had painted concrete floors; that's where I
> learned to appreciate them. It's a lot hotter where I am now, so concrete
> floors make even more sense.
>
> For the kitchen, I'm trying to find out more about eucalyptus or cork
> flooring. Both seem to offer the "forgiving" surface I'd like when I'm
> carrying around slippery crystalware.

I had friends who had cork flooring in several rooms of their home,
including the kitchen. It was beautiful, high resilient, and very durable.
Howver, proper sealing with the right product is essential in any "wet"
area like a kitchen or bath. I've never see eucalyptus flooring.

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Steve Pope wrote:

> As I child I was curious about the claim that a Corelle item
> would not break when dropped with normal force. I dropped a cereal
> bowl on the floor from shoulder height several times, and it did not
> break in the slightest. Then, I dropped it on-edge, and it
> shattered into hundreds if not thousands of pieces. So I would
> say it is a reasonably strong, very brittle material.
>
> My mom was not impressed with the science value of this experiment.

OMG that's so funny. You're not the first person I've heard of that
took the unbreakable claim as a challenge.

nancy

"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote in
:

> "Bob Terwilliger" >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> That's not a huge problem for me. My original idea was to get
>> counters made from the same stuff used to make the black-surfaced
>> counters in the science labs in schools. (AFAICT, those are made from
>> Durcon, or some similar epoxy resin.)
>
> That is an interesting idea. Never thought of it. Too late for me now
> If you ever do it, please post the results.
>
> Michael
>

Those science lab desks used to be toped with slate or soapstone

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The house of the burning beet-Alan

Wayne Boatwright said...

> On Fri 20 Jun 2008 07:34:23p, sf told us...
>
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:08:55 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>It wasn't *my* retirement, damn it. I wish it was!
>>
>> I *want* to be one of those too.... but listening to nb, maybe
>> retirement isn't everything it's cracked up to be.
>
> Barbara, if my health permits it, I plan to work until I'm 70 or at
> least close to that. In light of that, what I am looking forward to is
> qualifying to draw my full Social Security and still earn as much as I
> want to at my job. For me that means age 66, but I'm not there yet.
> David will probably do the same, if possible. We really need to put
> some funds aside and, at present, we're simply not able to.


Wayne,

I remember a couple, friends of ours never married for 20 or so years,
until she retired from AT&T. They married the next day so should she drop
dead, husband wouldn't lose the benefits! They're living in Mexico, last I
heard from them.

Andy

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:09:10 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Wayne Boatwright >
86.120: in
>rec.food.cooking
>
>> Under most circumstances, they are relatively unbreakable. I don't
>> have a set of Corelle, but I do have multiple plain Corelle fruit
>> bowls that I use to feed out five cats when they're served canned
>> food. I don't like feeding them out of metal or plastic containers.
>
>I use ceramic bowls. Found a bunch at the Dollar store. I also bought a
>bunch of ceramic bowls at Petco that were on close out. They were marked
>down to 75 cents each. I don't know about metal but plastic will cause
>those pimply things a cat will get on it's lips and face. Plastic harbors
>bacteria. I've never had the problem but the vet was telling me about it
>once. I was using metal bowls then and immediately changed.
>
Some pet stores carry nice ceramic cat "bowls" that are basically a
flat plate/saucer with an upturned edge of maybe an inch, probably
less.


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Mae West

On Sat 21 Jun 2008 05:09:10a, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> Wayne Boatwright >
> 6.120: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> Under most circumstances, they are relatively unbreakable. I don't
>> have a set of Corelle, but I do have multiple plain Corelle fruit
>> bowls that I use to feed out five cats when they're served canned
>> food. I don't like feeding them out of metal or plastic containers.
>
> I use ceramic bowls. Found a bunch at the Dollar store. I also bought a
> bunch of ceramic bowls at Petco that were on close out. They were marked
> down to 75 cents each. I don't know about metal but plastic will cause
> those pimply things a cat will get on it's lips and face. Plastic harbors
> bacteria. I've never had the problem but the vet was telling me about it
> once. I was using metal bowls then and immediately changed.
>
> Michael
>

I just feel that metal bowls are "harsh" and I certainly wouldn't want to
eat out of one, so I won't do that to my cats, either. :-) Years ago I
found out the hard way about the plastic bowls. My poor little cat
developed horrible sores around her mouth, even though I had always
religiously washed those plastic bowls in the dishwasher. The vet told me
about the bacteria, but also said that cats can sometimes be allergic to
the plastic.

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On Sat 21 Jun 2008 06:39:06a, hahabogus told us...

> "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote in
> :
>
>> "Bob Terwilliger" >
>> : in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>> That's not a huge problem for me. My original idea was to get
>>> counters made from the same stuff used to make the black-surfaced
>>> counters in the science labs in schools. (AFAICT, those are made from
>>> Durcon, or some similar epoxy resin.)
>>
>> That is an interesting idea. Never thought of it. Too late for me now
>> If you ever do it, please post the results.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
> Those science lab desks used to be toped with slate or soapstone
>

Yes, they used to be. They are using a synthetic in many places now.

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