Virginia wrote on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:13:57 -0400:


> "George Shirley" > wrote in message
>> It wasn't too long ago that the ACLU went to court to protect
>> a Ku Klux Klan rally's right to march and protest. The ACLU
>> is a PITA to most of us but occasionally they do something
>> right.

>I remember that, George, it was in Skokie, IL. The Klan applied for a
>legal permit to march and were denied.


I have been a member of the ACLU for a long
time. Even if their precise priorities are not always mine and I don't
always agree with their positions or even some of the causes they
defend, I believe they serve a very useful function in resisting state
control.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote in message
...
> It's Juneteenth. Everybody celebrate! Eat ribs!
> --
>
> modom



I would prefer the logic of Morgan Freeman.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10482634/


--
Old Scoundrel

(AKA Dimitri)

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
> Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
>> "George Shirley" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Giusi wrote:
>>>> > ha scritto nel messaggioOn Jun 20, 12:01?am, "modom
>>>> (palindrome guy>
>>>>> I for one have observed Juneteenth annually as a part of my American
>>>>> heritage for decades. ?The white v black presumption is bogus and only
>>>>> serves to perpetuate divisiveness among our people. >
>>>> As long as Blacks insist on having separate holidays for just
>>>> themselves and as long as there's groups like the NAACP, the ACLU, The
>>>> United Negro College Fund, etc. and as long as there's affirmative
>>>> action there's going to be divisiveness between Blacks and Whites.
>>>> It's the Blacks who are the cause of the divisiveness between Blacks
>>>> and Whites.
>>>>
>>>> You need an attitude adjustment. You are aware that if someone
>>>> infringes YOUR civil rights, the ACLU will fight the case for you? I
>>>> guess black people should just shut up and take whatever falls from the
>>>> table?
>>> It wasn't too long ago that the ACLU went to court to protect a Ku Klux
>>> Klan rally's right to march and protest. The ACLU is a PITA to most of
>>> us but occasionally they do something right.
>>
>> I remember that, George, it was in Skokie, IL. The Klan applied for a
>> legal permit to march and were denied. The ACLU took their case and won
>> it for them stating they did everything correctly by asking for the
>> permit. It wasn't up to the granting authority to like what they were
>> doing just make sure it was done legally. There was a dust up, but the
>> march never would have gotten half the press if they didn't appeal the
>> decision and file with the ACLU.
>> -ginny
> Once upon a time, in a land far, far away. I as in a military unit that
> used the misnomer "Military Intelligence." One of my duties was to attend
> the Klan rallies in a nearby town. It would be me in full uniform, a Texas
> Ranger in full suit and white Stetson, an FBI agent, and maybe a couple of
> State Troopers. We would stand together, take pictures when we thought it
> necessary, and just shake our heads over the doings. Got to hear David
> Duke give a speech once, the man is a kook but charismatic. The worse part
> was the little kids, four and five years old, dressed in their satin
> sheets, being brainwashed by a bunch of old bigots. They couldn't keep us
> out, was part of their permit to gather on private property and make
> noise.
>
> And, no, I'm not any part black as far as I know. Mostly Native American
> with some English blood injected into the bloodline back in the late
> fifteenth century.
>
> George

Sad thing is, I know people who were in that 'organization'. I grew up in
the rural south during the sixties.....not pretty if you weren't 'free,
white and 21'. What I will say in defense of these yahoos is
this........when I moved up north to Philly and then married someone from
the 'burbs.....I was 'informed' (I guess they heard the southern accent and
figured I needed to know this) that the largest Klan organization in the
country was in Levittown, PA. A few years later, some dipsheet who lived
about 20 miles from here, in Longswamp, PA was sent to the federal pen due
to national organizing for the Aryan Nation. Growing up down south, you
KNEW who belonged.....they put on their bedsheets and marched around and
burned some timber on someone's farm and yelled 'white power' a lot but you
KNEW who they were, you saw their faces......up north, they do the same
thing, but their faces are under cover.......if you are going to be a bigot,
own it, asswipe (not a swipe at George, but at any bigot who maybe reading
this).....I have more respect (and I choke using that term in regards to
this group) for those who will let you know they are klansmen than those who
meet you one the street and sit next to you in church the whole while you
don't know what they, quite literally, do under the sheets.

The year I graduated high school, there was a shoot out between the klan,
the communists and the American Nazi party in Greensboro, NC. The police
got involved and I think there were police and innocents either hurt or
killed. What they should have done is shut off the streets, cleared the
general populus and told them to have at each other. Save the taxpayers
the money they would have spent on them in prison.
-ginny
(who sounds like a cold hearted bitch now, but I can't stand someone who
hates another because of his skin color or his religion.......dislike
someone because they act like assholes, not something they can't change)

Dimitri wrote:
>
> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote in message
> ...
>> It's Juneteenth. Everybody celebrate! Eat ribs!
>> --
>>
>> modom
>
>
>
> I would prefer the logic of Morgan Freeman.
>
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10482634/
>
>


I agree that Black History Month is counterproductive. But I think
Juneteenth is a great holiday -- it's a celebration of freedom.

Bob

Ginny wrote:

> I can't stand someone who hates another because of his skin color or his
> religion.......dislike someone because they act like assholes, not
> something they can't change

My Psych 101 course taught that xenophobia is a basic primate instinct, and
more pronounced among males than females. In society, anyone "different"
will be looked upon with a jaundiced eye until they somehow establish
themselves within the community. The problem as I see it is that NOBODY
makes an effort to assimilate anymore; today's watchwords are
multiculturalism and celebration of diversity -- but those fly in the face
of our instincts.

Bob

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:26:26 -0500, zxcvbob >
wrote:

>Dimitri wrote:
>>
>> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> It's Juneteenth. Everybody celebrate! Eat ribs!
>>
>> I would prefer the logic of Morgan Freeman.
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10482634/
>>
>I agree that Black History Month is counterproductive. But I think
>Juneteenth is a great holiday -- it's a celebration of freedom.
>
So many things have changed during my life! But Black History Month
is not in June.

Thanks, Bob. I only wanted to celebrate freedom, as you sagely said.

OBFood: I ate the last of the bean salad for lunch today. Okay a
little prosciutto, too. And my buddies at the bar liked the
prosciutto I brought them this evening. Well, Anil, who is Hindu and
therefore vegetarian, did not partake of the pig meat, Sal, who is
italian, told me I'd made it to his list of heroes. I blush.
--

modom
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Barb wrote:

>> I'm working tonight, but Lin and I had a big ol' barbecue dinner last
>> night, complete with corn on the cob, beef ribs, pork ribs, pulled pork,
>> barbecued chicken, a HUGE grilled artichoke, mixed vegetables (lima
>> beans, tomatoes, onions, and zucchini), macaroni & cheese, and
>> watermelon.
>
> For two people??? Holy crap!

We didn't eat it _ALL_ that night! We just finished off the leftovers today.



> If you can find Black Diamond watermelons, I've been told they still have
> a rind worthy of becoming pickles.
>
> Speaking of Watermelon Pickles
> (These are a three-day project)
>
> ===============
> Watermelon Pickles

<recipe snipped and saved>

Thank you!

Where do you find oil of cinnamon and oil of clove? I don't believe I've
ever seen them in my grocery store.


Bob

On Jun 20, 8:35 pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:

> Where do you find oil of cinnamon and oil of clove? I don't believe I've
> ever seen them in my grocery store.

There was a time when my mom had to get the cinnamon oil at the
pharmacy if she wanted to make her incredible candy apples. I would
imagine it was the same for oil of clove. I wonder if the pharmacies
still carry such things, as oil of clove is good for numbing the pain
of a toothache till you can see a dentist.

I still remember those wonderful candied apples ... the coating was as
clear as red glass and it would shatter like a spider web when a tooth
hit it. Nothing like these soft-coated apples we see now.

--Lin

On Fri 20 Jun 2008 08:44:46p, Lin told us...

> On Jun 20, 8:35 pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
> wrote:
>
>> Where do you find oil of cinnamon and oil of clove? I don't believe I've
>> ever seen them in my grocery store.
>
> There was a time when my mom had to get the cinnamon oil at the
> pharmacy if she wanted to make her incredible candy apples. I would
> imagine it was the same for oil of clove. I wonder if the pharmacies
> still carry such things, as oil of clove is good for numbing the pain
> of a toothache till you can see a dentist.
>
> I still remember those wonderful candied apples ... the coating was as
> clear as red glass and it would shatter like a spider web when a tooth
> hit it. Nothing like these soft-coated apples we see now.
>
> --Lin
>

I stil buy food grade oils at Walgreen's, although they often have to order
them. I usually keep cinnamon, clove, and anise oils on hand.

Although I've eaten those shiny red cinnamon apples you describe, my mom
always made caramel rolled in chopped nuts. I like both.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Bus error - passengers dumped.
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On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:20:06 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Thu 19 Jun 2008 09:01:45p, modom (palindrome guy) told us...
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:44:37 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Jun 19, 2:56?pm, "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote:
>>>> It's Juneteenth. ?Everybody celebrate! ?Eat ribs!
>>>
>>>Juneteenth is simply another made up holiday that Blacks made up for
>>>just themselves, just like Kwanzaa. You;d never hear the end of it if
>>>someone tried to to institute a holiday just for Whites.
>>
>> It is not a "made up holiday" it is a celebration of freedom with a
>> rich historical foundation. See:
>> http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...,00.html?imw=Y
>>
>> See also: http://www.juneteenth.com/history.htm
>>
>> I for one have observed Juneteenth annually as a part of my American
>> heritage for decades. The white v black presumption is bogus and only
>> serves to perpetuate divisiveness among our people. It is time that
>> we emancipate ourselves of such limited thinking. Be free!
>>
>> OBJuneteenth food: Pulled pork leftovers with marinated bean salad
>> and slaw for dinner tonight. Before that we had a delicious Italian
>> red wine with my homemade prosciutto. Juneteenth prosciutto for
>> everyone! Freedom tastes great!
>
>It may have a history, but it's certainly one I've never heard of.

As a fellow southerner, I'm surprised to hear this news. I became
aware of Juneteenth when I was a kid and the Beatles were not famous
and GM still made Corvairs. Perhaps because it arrives a day after my
birthday, I'm more attuned to the observance?

At any rate, it's a fine, freedom loving holiday. And we all need
more freedom.

OBFood: I gave sprouted stalks of lemongrass to two of my friends
yesterday. I bought the stalks at an Asian market in suburban Dallas
a few weeks ago and sprouted them in water. They have a nice brace of
roots on them now and are ready to plant in sunny spots in the yard. I
love lemongrass. My friends have greener thumbs than I and I'm
counting on them to raise a fine batch this summer for us all to play
with in the kitchen. Two more stalks are still trying to root at my
house tonight. I'm hoping they make it.
--

modom
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Fri 20 Jun 2008 08:58:14p, modom (palindrome guy) told us...

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:20:06 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:

>>It may have a history, but it's certainly one I've never heard of.
>
> As a fellow southerner, I'm surprised to hear this news. I became
> aware of Juneteenth when I was a kid and the Beatles were not famous
> and GM still made Corvairs. Perhaps because it arrives a day after my
> birthday, I'm more attuned to the observance?

Michael, I didn't grow up in the South, my parents did. I was there often
enough, but I really don't recall anyone ever mentioning it. How long has
it been celebrated as "Juneteenth"?

> At any rate, it's a fine, freedom loving holiday. And we all need
> more freedom.

I couldn't agree more.

> OBFood: I gave sprouted stalks of lemongrass to two of my friends
> yesterday. I bought the stalks at an Asian market in suburban Dallas
> a few weeks ago and sprouted them in water. They have a nice brace of
> roots on them now and are ready to plant in sunny spots in the yard. I
> love lemongrass. My friends have greener thumbs than I and I'm
> counting on them to raise a fine batch this summer for us all to play
> with in the kitchen. Two more stalks are still trying to root at my
> house tonight. I'm hoping they make it.

I always enjoy reading about your creative and inventive meals!

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Friday, 06(VI)/20(XX)/08(MMVIII)
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Justice is incidental to law and order.
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Wayne wrote:

> Although I've eaten those shiny red cinnamon apples you describe, my mom
> always made caramel rolled in chopped nuts. I like both.

Whenever I catch Snow White and I see that beautiful (but deadly)
apple, I think of my mom's candy apples.

I've developed some sort of sensitivity to cinnamon oils (I can handle
the powders, but sparingly). My mom is sensitive to cinnamon oil as
well, but I don't know exactly when she discovered that it wasn't so
good for her either. So, I live with the perfect memory of the perfect
candy apple and I know I will never have something like that again.
Sigh. I also have a sensitivity to walnuts, so I substitute pecans
whenever a recipe calls for walnuts.

I'll bet your mom did a mighty fine version of the treat.

--Lin

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> Barb wrote:
>
> >> I'm working tonight, but Lin and I had a big ol' barbecue dinner last
> >> night, complete with corn on the cob, beef ribs, pork ribs, pulled pork,
> >> barbecued chicken, a HUGE grilled artichoke, mixed vegetables (lima
> >> beans, tomatoes, onions, and zucchini), macaroni & cheese, and
> >> watermelon.
> >
> > For two people??? Holy crap!
>
> We didn't eat it _ALL_ that night! We just finished off the leftovers today.
>
>
>
> > If you can find Black Diamond watermelons, I've been told they still have
> > a rind worthy of becoming pickles.
> >
> > Speaking of Watermelon Pickles
> > (These are a three-day project)
> >
> > ===============
> > Watermelon Pickles
>
> <recipe snipped and saved>
>
> Thank you!

You're welcome. They're good. And if you made a smaller batch (say,
half) you could store them in the fridge without processing. They have
a half-life of about 5 years, I think.
>
> Where do you find oil of cinnamon and oil of clove? I don't believe I've
> ever seen them in my grocery store.
>
>
> Bob

I buy them at Maid of Scandinavia/Sweet Celebrations ‹ locally based and
I have a store 10 minutes from my home. A candymaking supply place
should have them; they're used for flavoring lollipops as well.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
Huffy and Bubbles Do France: http://www.jamlady.eboard.com

On Fri 20 Jun 2008 09:03:57p, Lin told us...

> Wayne wrote:
>
>> Although I've eaten those shiny red cinnamon apples you describe, my mom
>> always made caramel rolled in chopped nuts. I like both.
>
> Whenever I catch Snow White and I see that beautiful (but deadly)
> apple, I think of my mom's candy apples.
>
> I've developed some sort of sensitivity to cinnamon oils (I can handle
> the powders, but sparingly). My mom is sensitive to cinnamon oil as
> well, but I don't know exactly when she discovered that it wasn't so
> good for her either. So, I live with the perfect memory of the perfect
> candy apple and I know I will never have something like that again.
> Sigh. I also have a sensitivity to walnuts, so I substitute pecans
> whenever a recipe calls for walnuts.
>
> I'll bet your mom did a mighty fine version of the treat.
>
> --Lin
>

Luckily I have no food or food-related allergies. I use both the cinnamon
oil and clove oil when I make my sweet spiced pickle spears. I also add a
cinnamon stick to each jar, but adding cloves to the jars tends to develop
a bitter taste.

Yes, my mom's caramel apples were highly sought after as a Halloween treat,
although she did make them at other times in the Fall when she found "just
the right apples". :-) She almost always used walnuts to roll them in, but
would sometimes use pecans.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Friday, 06(VI)/20(XX)/08(MMVIII)
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A dandelion for your thoughts *--
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:01:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>> As a fellow southerner, I'm surprised to hear this news. I became
>> aware of Juneteenth when I was a kid and the Beatles were not famous
>> and GM still made Corvairs. Perhaps because it arrives a day after my
>> birthday, I'm more attuned to the observance?
>
>Michael, I didn't grow up in the South, my parents did. I was there often
>enough, but I really don't recall anyone ever mentioning it. How long has
>it been celebrated as "Juneteenth"?

Sorry Wayne, I thought your Mississippi roots were more direct. How
long has it been observed as Juneteenth? I don't know. It started in
1865 when Gen. Granger arrived in Galveston and announced that slavery
had been abolished in the United States. The celebration named
Juneteenth appears to be almost that old. There's a Wikipedia entry
on the topic if you are at all interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth

OBFood: I'm headed to the kitchen for a midnight snack (a little
early, but that's what it is.) Perhaps some prosciutto and a cracker.
--

modom
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Fri 20 Jun 2008 09:45:07p, modom (palindrome guy) told us...

> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:01:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>> As a fellow southerner, I'm surprised to hear this news. I became
>>> aware of Juneteenth when I was a kid and the Beatles were not famous
>>> and GM still made Corvairs. Perhaps because it arrives a day after my
>>> birthday, I'm more attuned to the observance?
>>
>>Michael, I didn't grow up in the South, my parents did. I was there
>>often enough, but I really don't recall anyone ever mentioning it. How
>>long has it been celebrated as "Juneteenth"?
>
> Sorry Wayne, I thought your Mississippi roots were more direct. How
> long has it been observed as Juneteenth? I don't know. It started in
> 1865 when Gen. Granger arrived in Galveston and announced that slavery
> had been abolished in the United States. The celebration named
> Juneteenth appears to be almost that old. There's a Wikipedia entry
> on the topic if you are at all interested:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth

That's quite a long history. I am surprised that I never heard of it
during the many times I spent in Mississippi, and certainly some of those
times were in June. Apparently it wasn't something that was recognized in
our family and their friends.

> OBFood: I'm headed to the kitchen for a midnight snack (a little
> early, but that's what it is.) Perhaps some prosciutto and a cracker.

We ate dinner so late that I doubt I'll need or want a snack before bed.
:-)

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Friday, 06(VI)/20(XX)/08(MMVIII)
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A procrastinator's work is never done.
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modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:01:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>> As a fellow southerner, I'm surprised to hear this news. I became
>>> aware of Juneteenth when I was a kid and the Beatles were not famous
>>> and GM still made Corvairs. Perhaps because it arrives a day after my
>>> birthday, I'm more attuned to the observance?
>> Michael, I didn't grow up in the South, my parents did. I was there often
>> enough, but I really don't recall anyone ever mentioning it. How long has
>> it been celebrated as "Juneteenth"?
>
> Sorry Wayne, I thought your Mississippi roots were more direct. How
> long has it been observed as Juneteenth? I don't know. It started in
> 1865 when Gen. Granger arrived in Galveston and announced that slavery
> had been abolished in the United States. The celebration named
> Juneteenth appears to be almost that old. There's a Wikipedia entry
> on the topic if you are at all interested:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
>
> OBFood: I'm headed to the kitchen for a midnight snack (a little
> early, but that's what it is.) Perhaps some prosciutto and a cracker.
> --
>
> modom
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Here's a little more history folks. General Granger also told the freed
slaves that the Union Army would protect them. A great many of them
gathered at a Union cavalry post, called Barrett Station, in Harris
County, Texas. It is still a largely black community, most of the
residents being descendants of freed slaves. I lived in the vicinity for
several years in the late seventies and became friendly with many of
those descendants. That was really my first exposure, although a Native
Born Texan (we always capitalize that to make us different from the Born
Again Texans) to the Juneteenth celebration. It was always a big party
for the day, BBQ, watermelon, lots of beer and soft drinks, block
parties, etc. Barrett Station is a bit run down these days but many of
the residents are still very proud of their role in the history of this
country.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Fri 20 Jun 2008 10:19:51a, Kathleen told us...
>
>
>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>No, I wouldn't. However, I see no reason why whites would necessarily
>>>celebrate the end of slavery. We weren't slaves.
>>
>>Not *then*. But it's certainly a scourge that might have spread based
>>on various bogus racial or socio-economic standards.
>
>
> I doubt that would have ever happened in the South where black slavery
> predominated and there was far more racial distinction than class
> distinction.

But what happens when racial lines blur? There were slaves whose
fathers and grandfathers were white.

Kathleen wrote on Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:51:43 -0500:

>> On Fri 20 Jun 2008 10:19:51a, Kathleen told us...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, I wouldn't. However, I see no reason why whites would
>>>> necessarily celebrate the end of slavery. We weren't
>>>> slaves.
>>>
>>> Not *then*. But it's certainly a scourge that might have
>>> spread based on various bogus racial or socio-economic
>>> standards.
>>
>> I doubt that would have ever happened in the South where
>> black slavery predominated and there was far more racial
>> distinction than class distinction.

> But what happens when racial lines blur? There were slaves
> whose fathers and grandfathers were white.

A well-known example is Mr. Jefferson's mistress Sally Hemmings who was
his late wife's half sister.
--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:13:57 -0400, "Virginia Tadrzynski"
> wrote:

>
>"George Shirley" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Giusi wrote:
>>> > ha scritto nel messaggioOn Jun 20, 12:01?am, "modom
>>> (palindrome guy>
>>>> I for one have observed Juneteenth annually as a part of my American
>>>> heritage for decades. ?The white v black presumption is bogus and only
>>>> serves to perpetuate divisiveness among our people. >
>>>
>>> As long as Blacks insist on having separate holidays for just
>>> themselves and as long as there's groups like the NAACP, the ACLU, The
>>> United Negro College Fund, etc. and as long as there's affirmative
>>> action there's going to be divisiveness between Blacks and Whites.
>>> It's the Blacks who are the cause of the divisiveness between Blacks
>>> and Whites.
>>>
>>> You need an attitude adjustment. You are aware that if someone infringes
>>> YOUR civil rights, the ACLU will fight the case for you? I guess black
>>> people should just shut up and take whatever falls from the table?
>> It wasn't too long ago that the ACLU went to court to protect a Ku Klux
>> Klan rally's right to march and protest. The ACLU is a PITA to most of us
>> but occasionally they do something right.
>
>I remember that, George, it was in Skokie, IL. The Klan applied for a legal
>permit to march and were denied. The ACLU took their case and won it for
>them stating they did everything correctly by asking for the permit. It
>wasn't up to the granting authority to like what they were doing just make
>sure it was done legally. There was a dust up, but the march never would
>have gotten half the press if they didn't appeal the decision and file with
>the ACLU.
>-ginny
>

i don't think you can blame the a.c.l.u. for the attendant publicity.
the march in skokie was tasteless in the extreme, but still within the
rights of the klan group. the a.c.l.u. was right to defend them.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:28:33 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Ginny wrote:
>
>> I can't stand someone who hates another because of his skin color or his
>> religion.......dislike someone because they act like assholes, not
>> something they can't change
>
>My Psych 101 course taught that xenophobia is a basic primate instinct, and
>more pronounced among males than females. In society, anyone "different"
>will be looked upon with a jaundiced eye until they somehow establish
>themselves within the community. The problem as I see it is that NOBODY
>makes an effort to assimilate anymore; today's watchwords are
>multiculturalism and celebration of diversity -- but those fly in the face
>of our instincts.
>
>Bob
>

well, we don't groom each other by picking off lice and eating them,
either. at least not in my neighborhood.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:26:33 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> Virginia wrote on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:13:57 -0400:
>
>
>> "George Shirley" > wrote in message
>>> It wasn't too long ago that the ACLU went to court to protect
>>> a Ku Klux Klan rally's right to march and protest. The ACLU
>>> is a PITA to most of us but occasionally they do something
>>> right.
>
>>I remember that, George, it was in Skokie, IL. The Klan applied for a
>>legal permit to march and were denied.
>
>
>I have been a member of the ACLU for a long
>time. Even if their precise priorities are not always mine and I don't
>always agree with their positions or even some of the causes they
>defend, I believe they serve a very useful function in resisting state
>control.

****in' a.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:58:14 -0500, "modom (palindrome guy)"
> wrote:

>
>OBFood: I gave sprouted stalks of lemongrass to two of my friends
>yesterday. I bought the stalks at an Asian market in suburban Dallas
>a few weeks ago and sprouted them in water. They have a nice brace of
>roots on them now and are ready to plant in sunny spots in the yard. I
>love lemongrass. My friends have greener thumbs than I and I'm
>counting on them to raise a fine batch this summer for us all to play
>with in the kitchen. Two more stalks are still trying to root at my
>house tonight. I'm hoping they make it.

that would be a nice plant to have.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:53:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Fri 20 Jun 2008 09:45:07p, modom (palindrome guy) told us...
>
>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:01:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> As a fellow southerner, I'm surprised to hear this news. I became
>>>> aware of Juneteenth when I was a kid and the Beatles were not famous
>>>> and GM still made Corvairs. Perhaps because it arrives a day after my
>>>> birthday, I'm more attuned to the observance?
>>>
>>>Michael, I didn't grow up in the South, my parents did. I was there
>>>often enough, but I really don't recall anyone ever mentioning it. How
>>>long has it been celebrated as "Juneteenth"?
>>
>> Sorry Wayne, I thought your Mississippi roots were more direct. How
>> long has it been observed as Juneteenth? I don't know. It started in
>> 1865 when Gen. Granger arrived in Galveston and announced that slavery
>> had been abolished in the United States. The celebration named
>> Juneteenth appears to be almost that old. There's a Wikipedia entry
>> on the topic if you are at all interested:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
>
>That's quite a long history. I am surprised that I never heard of it
>during the many times I spent in Mississippi, and certainly some of those
>times were in June.

in mississippi, they didn't want word of the emancipation to get
around.

your pal,
blake

modom (palindrome guy) wrote:

> OBFood: I gave sprouted stalks of lemongrass to two of my friends
> yesterday. I bought the stalks at an Asian market in suburban Dallas
> a few weeks ago and sprouted them in water. They have a nice brace of
> roots on them now and are ready to plant in sunny spots in the yard. I
> love lemongrass. My friends have greener thumbs than I and I'm
> counting on them to raise a fine batch this summer for us all to play
> with in the kitchen. Two more stalks are still trying to root at my
> house tonight. I'm hoping they make it.


I've tried that several times and I've never been able to get them to root.

Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>
>> OBFood: I gave sprouted stalks of lemongrass to two of my friends
>> yesterday. I bought the stalks at an Asian market in suburban Dallas
>> a few weeks ago and sprouted them in water. They have a nice brace
>> of roots on them now and are ready to plant in sunny spots in the
>> yard. I love lemongrass. My friends have greener thumbs than I and
>> I'm counting on them to raise a fine batch this summer for us all to
>> play with in the kitchen. Two more stalks are still trying to root
>> at my house tonight. I'm hoping they make it.
>
>
> I've tried that several times and I've never been able to get them to
> root.
> Bob

I've got a pot of lemongrass growing outside my door. Not only do we like
it, but the stray cats take a nibble now and then, too! LOL. When Nick and
Jun were here a couple of years ago, Jun planted it for us. It's still
going strong.

kili

On Sat 21 Jun 2008 08:30:29a, blake murphy told us...

> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:53:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>On Fri 20 Jun 2008 09:45:07p, modom (palindrome guy) told us...
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:01:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> As a fellow southerner, I'm surprised to hear this news. I became
>>>>> aware of Juneteenth when I was a kid and the Beatles were not famous
>>>>> and GM still made Corvairs. Perhaps because it arrives a day after
my
>>>>> birthday, I'm more attuned to the observance?
>>>>
>>>>Michael, I didn't grow up in the South, my parents did. I was there
>>>>often enough, but I really don't recall anyone ever mentioning it. How
>>>>long has it been celebrated as "Juneteenth"?
>>>
>>> Sorry Wayne, I thought your Mississippi roots were more direct. How
>>> long has it been observed as Juneteenth? I don't know. It started in
>>> 1865 when Gen. Granger arrived in Galveston and announced that slavery
>>> had been abolished in the United States. The celebration named
>>> Juneteenth appears to be almost that old. There's a Wikipedia entry
>>> on the topic if you are at all interested:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth
>>
>>That's quite a long history. I am surprised that I never heard of it
>>during the many times I spent in Mississippi, and certainly some of those
>>times were in June.
>
> in mississippi, they didn't want word of the emancipation to get
> around.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

Shhh... Don't tell. I remember all too well.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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kilikini wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
>> modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>>
>>> OBFood: I gave sprouted stalks of lemongrass to two of my friends
>>> yesterday. I bought the stalks at an Asian market in suburban Dallas
>>> a few weeks ago and sprouted them in water. They have a nice brace
>>> of roots on them now and are ready to plant in sunny spots in the
>>> yard. I love lemongrass. My friends have greener thumbs than I and
>>> I'm counting on them to raise a fine batch this summer for us all to
>>> play with in the kitchen. Two more stalks are still trying to root
>>> at my house tonight. I'm hoping they make it.
>>
>> I've tried that several times and I've never been able to get them to
>> root.
>> Bob
>
> I've got a pot of lemongrass growing outside my door. Not only do we like
> it, but the stray cats take a nibble now and then, too! LOL. When Nick and
> Jun were here a couple of years ago, Jun planted it for us. It's still
> going strong.
>
> kili
>
>
We've got a clump growing out behind the greenhouse that's been there
about ten years IIRC. Seldom use it anymore but we've given starts away
by the hundreds. Local Vietnamese family runs, of all things, a Cajun
restaurant. Offered them some lemon grass as they mentioned they had
been buying it in a nearby city. They jumped on the deal and now have a
lot of it growing behind the restaurant.

On Sat 21 Jun 2008 05:51:43a, Kathleen told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Fri 20 Jun 2008 10:19:51a, Kathleen told us...
>>
>>
>>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, I wouldn't. However, I see no reason why whites would necessarily
>>>>celebrate the end of slavery. We weren't slaves.
>>>
>>>Not *then*. But it's certainly a scourge that might have spread based
>>>on various bogus racial or socio-economic standards.
>>
>>
>> I doubt that would have ever happened in the South where black slavery
>> predominated and there was far more racial distinction than class
>> distinction.
>
> But what happens when racial lines blur? There were slaves whose
> fathers and grandfathers were white.

For many years I believe there was a law that a certainly very low
percentage of "black" made you totally black. This was true long after the
Emancipation.



--
Wayne Boatwright
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Is numbness a feeling?
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All Southerns should celebrate!!!
It gave us a chance to send black criminals
to Baltimore, Cleveland and Detroit...
How's crime in those cities today? !!!!
I'm having grits and gravy and ya'll should
too !!!

blake murphy wrote:

> i would reverse that. only *very* occasionally do they [ACLU] do
> something irritating; ninety-nine percent of the time they're on the
> right side of things. they favor the constitution, in particular the
> first ten amendments. i know that is somewhat out of fashion in the
> current administration - 'a goddamn piece of paper' - but it's what
> we have, and ignored at out peril.
>


Minor correction: They support the 1st, and the 4th thru 8th
amendments. (don't know about the 3rd, it hasn't come up.) They are
ambivalent about the 2nd amendment, that's why we have the NRA and the
Second Amendment Foundation. I think everybody has given up on the 9th
and 10th.

It'll be interesting to see what changes after the SC announces the
Heller decision (possibly on this-coming Monday)

Bob

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 21 Jun 2008 05:51:43a, Kathleen told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri 20 Jun 2008 10:19:51a, Kathleen told us...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> No, I wouldn't. However, I see no reason why whites would necessarily
>>>>> celebrate the end of slavery. We weren't slaves.
>>>> Not *then*. But it's certainly a scourge that might have spread based
>>>> on various bogus racial or socio-economic standards.
>>>
>>> I doubt that would have ever happened in the South where black slavery
>>> predominated and there was far more racial distinction than class
>>> distinction.
>> But what happens when racial lines blur? There were slaves whose
>> fathers and grandfathers were white.
>
> For many years I believe there was a law that a certainly very low
> percentage of "black" made you totally black. This was true long after the
> Emancipation.
>
>
>
It was certainly true in New Orleans until well into the Twentieth
Century. White and black could not marry, even if the so-called "black"
had only 1/64th black blood.

zxcvbob wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> i would reverse that. only *very* occasionally do they [ACLU] do
>> something irritating; ninety-nine percent of the time they're on the
>> right side of things. they favor the constitution, in particular the
>> first ten amendments. i know that is somewhat out of fashion in the
>> current administration - 'a goddamn piece of paper' - but it's what
>> we have, and ignored at out peril.
>>
>
>
> Minor correction: They support the 1st, and the 4th thru 8th
> amendments. (don't know about the 3rd, it hasn't come up.) They are
> ambivalent about the 2nd amendment, that's why we have the NRA and the
> Second Amendment Foundation. I think everybody has given up on the 9th
> and 10th.
>
> It'll be interesting to see what changes after the SC announces the
> Heller decision (possibly on this-coming Monday)
>
> Bob
The Supreme's certainly screwed up by offering terrorists the same
rights as Americans. I can just see the trial lawyers lining up for Al
Qaeda money for defending the terrorists now.

On Sat 21 Jun 2008 10:14:44a, George Shirley told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sat 21 Jun 2008 05:51:43a, Kathleen told us...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri 20 Jun 2008 10:19:51a, Kathleen told us...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I wouldn't. However, I see no reason why whites would
>>>>>> necessarily celebrate the end of slavery. We weren't slaves.
>>>>> Not *then*. But it's certainly a scourge that might have spread
>>>>> based on various bogus racial or socio-economic standards.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt that would have ever happened in the South where black
>>>> slavery predominated and there was far more racial distinction than
>>>> class distinction.
>>> But what happens when racial lines blur? There were slaves whose
>>> fathers and grandfathers were white.
>>
>> For many years I believe there was a law that a certainly very low
>> percentage of "black" made you totally black. This was true long after
>> the Emancipation.
>>
>>
>>
> It was certainly true in New Orleans until well into the Twentieth
> Century. White and black could not marry, even if the so-called "black"
> had only 1/64th black blood.

Yep, that's the fraction I couldn't remember.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Saturday, 06(VI)/21(XXI)/08(MMVIII)
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'It's as BAD as you think, and they
ARE out to get you.'
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:34:21 -0500, (Fred Jones)
wrote:

>All Southerns should celebrate!!!
>It gave us a chance to send black criminals
>to Baltimore, Cleveland and Detroit...
>How's crime in those cities today? !!!!
>I'm having grits and gravy and ya'll should
>too !!!

We've had such a festival filled week -- anniversaries, birthdays,
Juneteenth, the solstice, and now National Chucklehead Day!
--

modom
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:53:07 -0500, zxcvbob >
wrote:

>modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>
>> OBFood: I gave sprouted stalks of lemongrass to two of my friends
>> yesterday. I bought the stalks at an Asian market in suburban Dallas
>> a few weeks ago and sprouted them in water. They have a nice brace of
>> roots on them now and are ready to plant in sunny spots in the yard. I
>> love lemongrass. My friends have greener thumbs than I and I'm
>> counting on them to raise a fine batch this summer for us all to play
>> with in the kitchen. Two more stalks are still trying to root at my
>> house tonight. I'm hoping they make it.
>
>
>I've tried that several times and I've never been able to get them to root.
>
It's always dicey when I try. Of the last three attempts only this
most recent was successful. The other two ended in rotten lemongrass.
I believe what helped this time was the fact that the lemongrass I
bought at the Asian market was very fresh.
--

modom
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Sat 21 Jun 2008 10:14:44a, George Shirley told us...
>
>
>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat 21 Jun 2008 05:51:43a, Kathleen told us...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri 20 Jun 2008 10:19:51a, Kathleen told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, I wouldn't. However, I see no reason why whites would
>>>>>>>necessarily celebrate the end of slavery. We weren't slaves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not *then*. But it's certainly a scourge that might have spread
>>>>>>based on various bogus racial or socio-economic standards.
>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt that would have ever happened in the South where black
>>>>>slavery predominated and there was far more racial distinction than
>>>>>class distinction.
>>>>
>>>>But what happens when racial lines blur? There were slaves whose
>>>>fathers and grandfathers were white.
>>>
>>>For many years I believe there was a law that a certainly very low
>>>percentage of "black" made you totally black. This was true long after
>>>the Emancipation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>It was certainly true in New Orleans until well into the Twentieth
>>Century. White and black could not marry, even if the so-called "black"
>>had only 1/64th black blood.
>
>
> Yep, that's the fraction I couldn't remember.
>

I guess the modern day equivalent would be the Cherohonkee - a white
person with a teaspoonful of native american blood going around wearing
buckskin, beads and braids.

Kathleen wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Sat 21 Jun 2008 10:14:44a, George Shirley told us...
>>
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat 21 Jun 2008 05:51:43a, Kathleen told us...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri 20 Jun 2008 10:19:51a, Kathleen told us...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I wouldn't. However, I see no reason why whites would
>>>>>>>> necessarily celebrate the end of slavery. We weren't slaves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not *then*. But it's certainly a scourge that might have spread
>>>>>>> based on various bogus racial or socio-economic standards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt that would have ever happened in the South where black
>>>>>> slavery predominated and there was far more racial distinction than
>>>>>> class distinction.
>>>>>
>>>>> But what happens when racial lines blur? There were slaves whose
>>>>> fathers and grandfathers were white.
>>>>
>>>> For many years I believe there was a law that a certainly very low
>>>> percentage of "black" made you totally black. This was true long after
>>>> the Emancipation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It was certainly true in New Orleans until well into the Twentieth
>>> Century. White and black could not marry, even if the so-called
>>> "black" had only 1/64th black blood.
>>
>>
>> Yep, that's the fraction I couldn't remember.
>>
>
> I guess the modern day equivalent would be the Cherohonkee - a white
> person with a teaspoonful of native american blood going around wearing
> buckskin, beads and braids.
>
Yeah, what was that perfesser in Colorado who was adopted by some tribe
and then wore the costume. I think he ended up getting fired for
plagiarizing someone.

I'm one-quarter Cherokee, one-quarter Choctaw, and one-half English and
I just look and dress like the average white southerner. Don't speak any
Native tongues at all. My NA ancestors never were on a reservation and
went white way back when. Seemed an easier way to survive in the white
European world.

On Sat 21 Jun 2008 02:15:14p, Kathleen told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Sat 21 Jun 2008 10:14:44a, George Shirley told us...
>>
>>
>>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat 21 Jun 2008 05:51:43a, Kathleen told us...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri 20 Jun 2008 10:19:51a, Kathleen told us...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, I wouldn't. However, I see no reason why whites would
>>>>>>>>necessarily celebrate the end of slavery. We weren't slaves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not *then*. But it's certainly a scourge that might have spread
>>>>>>>based on various bogus racial or socio-economic standards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I doubt that would have ever happened in the South where black
>>>>>>slavery predominated and there was far more racial distinction than
>>>>>>class distinction.
>>>>>
>>>>>But what happens when racial lines blur? There were slaves whose
>>>>>fathers and grandfathers were white.
>>>>
>>>>For many years I believe there was a law that a certainly very low
>>>>percentage of "black" made you totally black. This was true long after
>>>>the Emancipation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>It was certainly true in New Orleans until well into the Twentieth
>>>Century. White and black could not marry, even if the so-called "black"
>>>had only 1/64th black blood.
>>
>>
>> Yep, that's the fraction I couldn't remember.
>>
>
> I guess the modern day equivalent would be the Cherohonkee - a white
> person with a teaspoonful of native american blood going around wearing
> buckskin, beads and braids.
>

It's easy to witness that in the Phoenix area.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Cats must chew holes in the bags of
clean kitty litter and spread it on
the floor.
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George Shirley wrote:

> We've got a clump growing out behind the greenhouse that's been there
> about ten years IIRC. Seldom use it anymore but we've given starts away
> by the hundreds. Local Vietnamese family runs, of all things, a Cajun
> restaurant. Offered them some lemon grass as they mentioned they had
> been buying it in a nearby city. They jumped on the deal and now have a
> lot of it growing behind the restaurant.

In the Houston area, my lemongrass grew without a problem. Here in
Louisiana, it is was 5 degrees colder over the winter, and it died back.
It grew back in the spring and it looks great.

One of the golfers, driving by on the cart path, asked me if it was
Pampas grass.

Becca