On Sat 21 Jun 2008 10:19:20a, George Shirley told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sat 21 Jun 2008 06:58:06a, jmcquown told us...
>>
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>> On 2008-06-20, mequeenbe.nospam > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> live in socal, i'll come & help you cook for a dinner
>>>>>> party/breakfast party/bunch over for lunch...name it.
>>>>> Ahh... Harriet, you are such a sweetheart. I would love to take you
>>>>> up on you gracious offer, but I live over a thousand miles away.
>>>>> I'm sure it's just a short-lived state of mind due to being so far
>>>>> away from my daughter and GDs and long time CA friends. There are
>>>>> other issues, but I'll not bore you with them. Thank you.
>>>> Have you thought of taking up walking? Get an ipod shuffle or
>>>> a walkman and you'd be surprised how much better you feel
>>>> after walking a mile or three listening to music. How about biking?
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of taking up walking or getting a bicycle but it's so
>>> friggin hot (tropical hot) here in South Carolina I'd probably faint
>>> dead away before I made it around the block. I don't have much
>>> tolerance for this climate. It's humid in the Memphis area, sure, but
>>> somehow it's different down here surrounded by salt water marshes.
>>> Even when it's only in the 80's temperature-wise it's extra sticky.
>>> Almost feels like I'm back in Bangkok. (I didn't fare very well there,
>>> either.)
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Of course it's a "dry heat" here in AZ <g>, but the only time I see
>> people biking, walking, jogging, etc., is around 6:00 a.m. or earlier,
>> before the heat really comes out. At 8:00 a.m. this morning, it was
>> already 97°F. This entire week has been a succession of 112, 113, 113,
>> 112, 113, 114, beginning with Sunday.
>>
> That's why so many folks go to Arizona in the wintertime. We've been
> thinking about a winter trip to Stanton to metal detect for gold
> nuggets. Might even have to wear a long-sleeved shirt then. <VBG>

Yes, we have a lot of snowbirds that winter here, but the window of their
stay varies considerably. Some come just for the winter and others stay
the entire year except for the summer. And, yes, you might just need a
long-sleeved shirt in Stanton during the winter.

I spent several separate weeks up in Payson during January training some
our staff at one of our sites. I never needed a coat, although sometimes
they do up there. There were threats of snow storms, but I never saw one
during my stay.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Saturday, 06(VI)/21(XXI)/08(MMVIII)
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I'm just a revved up youth on a
thrill-kill rampage.
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Goomba wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> >Nancy Young wrote:
>>
I hear you. I have no tolerance for hot humid weather and
I certainly don't want to walk around in it. I walk at night
for that reason but I know it's not for everyone
>
> I'm thinking of taking up walking but it's so
> friggin hot (tropical hot) here in South Carolina I'd probably faint
> dead away before I made it around the block.

> > when it's only in the 80's temperature-wise it's extra sticky. �Almost
> > feels like I'm back in Bangkok. (I didn't fare very well there, either.)
>
> Weren't you only 7 or so years old? I never noticed �heat and weather
> back then, thankfully. If you're getting hot flashes, I imagine that
> would make it all the more miserable now? �

Why don't yoose gals get together nights to do your streetwalking?

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> Car door handles? Notice how many are now made out of some
> synthetic materials? They don't burn when you touch them.

I was just thinking a good feature for the next
Mercedes or BMW would be refrigerated door handles.
Perhaps a solar-powered thermoelectric refrigerator,
so it doesn't run down the battery. Moisture
condensation might be a problem. Nobody likes
a wet door handle.

Mark "Achtung" Thorson wrote:
>
> I was just thinking a good feature for the next
> Mercedes or BMW would be refrigerated door handles.
> Perhaps a solar-powered thermoelectric refrigerator,
> so it doesn't run down the battery. �Moisture
> condensation might be a problem. �Nobody likes
> a wet door handle.

Are you kidding, it's mostly winter in Bavaria... and anyway, Krauts
live for pain... they wear frostbite amputations as a badge of
courage, or they would have long ago had heated door handles.

Sky wrote:
> Dimitri wrote:
>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2008-06-21, sf <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He's caring for his mother... the woman of many appliances.
>>> nb
>> If you don't mind my asking how old is she?
>>
>> We care for my MIL who is 92. She has some problems ergo 5 small meals a
>> day allows her to keep food down.
>>
>> I'll prepare something nice and the boss will say " how hungry are you mom?
>> " If she ever answered other than "A LITTLE:" you'll have to pick me up
>> off the floor.
>>
>> Cooking for old folks can be a real PITA.
>>
>> Thank goodness we/she has company quite often so I can do some cooking.
>>
>> --
>> Old Scoundrel
>>
>> (AKA Dimitri)
>>
>
> One of the problems my late grandmother had was she completely lost her
> sense of taste. Definitely made eating a chore for her, instead of the
> pleasure it should've been. Is it rather common for older folks to lose
> their sense of taste?
>
> Sky
>
Yes, it is very common for older folk to lose their sense of taste. I
noticed that as a younker in both my paternal grandmother and paternal
greatgrandmother. then later my own mother and father started losing
their sense of taste in their seventies. MIL is soon to be 100 and still
has her sense of taste so it varies from person to person.

It can't be much fun when everything tastes the same.

Goomba wrote:
> George Shirley wrote:
>> Goomba wrote:
> I know that where my folks
>>> retired to (The Villages, FL) folks are up and busy very early than
>>> retreat into the house and lay low until happy hour....
>>
>> And happy hour starts when?
>
> 5 PM....nightly in the town square. Music and dancing and drinks at half
> price. My liver couldn't handle living there, I tell ya!
> This is a book review from the NYTimes recently which highlighted these
> crazy retired folks... LOL
> Adult Disneyworld, I tell ya!!
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/bo... t&oref=slogin
>
Friend of ours worked in a nursing home for several years. I won't
mention the hijinks most of them were up to. Just imagine if you were
single again and not subject to pregnancy, STD's, and someone invented a
nice little purple pill to make you happy. Our friend had dozens of
jokes about old folks in a home.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 21 Jun 2008 09:46:40a, notbob told us...
>
>> On 2008-06-21, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> heat really comes out. At 8:00 a.m. this morning, it was already 97°F.
>>> This entire week has been a succession of 112, 113, 113, 112, 113,
>>> 114, beginning with Sunday.
>> Yes, I remember Phoenix in Aug quite vividly. It would be 105 by 10am
>> and then whether the temps would rise to 113 or 118 was a daily crap
>> shoot. I didn't mind too much, being young and just down from IL, where
>> humity sometimes hit 102%! Plus, I'm from CA, where they have a few
>> hot-spells over 100, sometimes 110+. But, to put up with that kind of
>> heat, day and day out, no thanks. It became quite tedious to have to
>> open your car door with a rag or whatever to avoid a first degree burn.
>> Who wants to live like that? I know, I know..... Arizonians. Go
>> figure.
>>
>> nb
>
> As of 11:15 (right now) it is 106 and climbing. It will peak around 2:30
> this afternoon (forecasat is 112). I think most people living in the hot
> desert areas of Arizona live somewhat in reverse of everwhere else. When
> we lived in Ohio we pretty much avoided the winter months outdoors as much
> as possible, enjoying the spring, summer (except for the humidity), and
> fall. In Arizona, we avoid the heat of the summer months outdoors as much
> as possible, and enjoy the fall, winter, and spring. Most of those months,
> even in winter, it's shirt sleeve weather.
>
> Car door handles? Notice how many are now made out of some synthetic
> materials? They don't burn when you touch them.
>
You ain't lived until you've crawled into a car sitting out in the heat
while wearing shorts and no shirt. Particularly if it had vinyl seats.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 21 Jun 2008 10:19:20a, George Shirley told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Sat 21 Jun 2008 06:58:06a, jmcquown told us...
>>>
>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>>> On 2008-06-20, mequeenbe.nospam > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> live in socal, i'll come & help you cook for a dinner
>>>>>>> party/breakfast party/bunch over for lunch...name it.
>>>>>> Ahh... Harriet, you are such a sweetheart. I would love to take you
>>>>>> up on you gracious offer, but I live over a thousand miles away.
>>>>>> I'm sure it's just a short-lived state of mind due to being so far
>>>>>> away from my daughter and GDs and long time CA friends. There are
>>>>>> other issues, but I'll not bore you with them. Thank you.
>>>>> Have you thought of taking up walking? Get an ipod shuffle or
>>>>> a walkman and you'd be surprised how much better you feel
>>>>> after walking a mile or three listening to music. How about biking?
>>>>>
>>>>> nancy
>>>> I'm thinking of taking up walking or getting a bicycle but it's so
>>>> friggin hot (tropical hot) here in South Carolina I'd probably faint
>>>> dead away before I made it around the block. I don't have much
>>>> tolerance for this climate. It's humid in the Memphis area, sure, but
>>>> somehow it's different down here surrounded by salt water marshes.
>>>> Even when it's only in the 80's temperature-wise it's extra sticky.
>>>> Almost feels like I'm back in Bangkok. (I didn't fare very well there,
>>>> either.)
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Of course it's a "dry heat" here in AZ <g>, but the only time I see
>>> people biking, walking, jogging, etc., is around 6:00 a.m. or earlier,
>>> before the heat really comes out. At 8:00 a.m. this morning, it was
>>> already 97°F. This entire week has been a succession of 112, 113, 113,
>>> 112, 113, 114, beginning with Sunday.
>>>
>> That's why so many folks go to Arizona in the wintertime. We've been
>> thinking about a winter trip to Stanton to metal detect for gold
>> nuggets. Might even have to wear a long-sleeved shirt then. <VBG>
>
> Yes, we have a lot of snowbirds that winter here, but the window of their
> stay varies considerably. Some come just for the winter and others stay
> the entire year except for the summer. And, yes, you might just need a
> long-sleeved shirt in Stanton during the winter.
>
> I spent several separate weeks up in Payson during January training some
> our staff at one of our sites. I never needed a coat, although sometimes
> they do up there. There were threats of snow storms, but I never saw one
> during my stay.
>
Don't mention snow please. I won't go anywhere that white stuff falls or
where anything freezes outside of the freezer compartment of a
refrigerator. I turned down a very lucrative job in Alaska because they
said I would have to winter over on the North Slope.

Sheldon wrote:
>
> Mark "Achtung" Thorson wrote:
> >
> > I was just thinking a good feature for the next
> > Mercedes or BMW would be refrigerated door handles.
> > Perhaps a solar-powered thermoelectric refrigerator,
> > so it doesn't run down the battery. �Moisture
> > condensation might be a problem. �Nobody likes
> > a wet door handle.
>
> Are you kidding, it's mostly winter in Bavaria... and anyway, Krauts
> live for pain... they wear frostbite amputations as a badge of
> courage, or they would have long ago had heated door handles.

I was thinking about their overseas sales,
for example to the Persian Gulf states.
But you raise an important point -- handles
should be both heated and cooled, depending
on ambient conditions. A thermoelectric
refrigerator is therefore even more appropriate
in this application, because it can be run
in reverse to provide heating.

A genuine luxury car will have both of these
features, as well as this:

http://www.bmweducation.co.uk/coFact...arqueWiper.asp

On 2008-06-21, George Shirley > wrote:

> refrigerator. I turned down a very lucrative job in Alaska because they
> said I would have to winter over on the North Slope.

LOL...

There's Winter and then there's WINTER! I now live in a snowbird park in
CO (Summer end). We have a real Winter here and most birds fly
south. It's not much of a winter, 3-5 feet of snow (this was a real bad
year!). But, Alaska!? Forget that. Only crazy ppl live in Alaska.

nb

Dimitri wrote:
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2008-06-21, sf <> wrote:
>>
>>> He's caring for his mother... the woman of many appliances.
>
>
>> nb
>
> If you don't mind my asking how old is she?
>
> We care for my MIL who is 92. She has some problems ergo 5 small
> meals a day allows her to keep food down.
>
>
> I'll prepare something nice and the boss will say " how hungry are
> you mom? " If she ever answered other than "A LITTLE:" you'll have
> to pick me up off the floor.
>
> Cooking for old folks can be a real PITA.
>
> Thank goodness we/she has company quite often so I can do some
> cooking.

Bless you for your wonderful care.

After living twenty frozen years in Minnesota,
I'll never complain about the Arizona heat.


Old friends ask;
"When it gets so hot, how can you stand it"

I reply;
"When it's twenty below, how can you stand it" ?

--
<rj>

<RJ> wrote:
> After living twenty frozen years in Minnesota,
> I'll never complain about the Arizona heat.
>
>
> Old friends ask;
> "When it gets so hot, how can you stand it"
>
> I reply;
> "When it's twenty below, how can you stand it" ?
>
Living just off of Interstate 10 we can always tell when it's starting
to get cold up in Minnesota, Wisconsin and those other places in
Southern Canada. The RV's driven by snowbirds start coming down the
highway heading west. We've even got some that stop off here and clog up
the cafeterias and cheap cafes.

When we lived in South Texas we didn't have snow, the white we saw was
hair on old Snowbirds heads. Most were nice folks but they sure brought
a lot of grumpy ones with them.

l, not -l wrote:

> A minimum 30 minute walk, 6 days-a-week has dropped my blood
> pressure, my cholesterol and made me smile a little more. YMMV, but
> its been good to me.

(nodnodnod) When I pick up the walking routine after
a break, I wonder why, because it makes me feel so much
better.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> l, not -l wrote:
>
> > A minimum 30 minute walk, 6 days-a-week has dropped my blood
> > pressure, my cholesterol and made me smile a little more. YMMV, but
> > its been good to me.
>
> (nodnodnod) When I pick up the walking routine after
> a break, I wonder why, because it makes me feel so much
> better.

I love walking, but in Chicago it was almost impossible this past winter
with all the snow and cold. I like to walk at least 20 blocks per day - a
bit over two miles - which is easy to do, just get off of the bus a few
blocks early on the way from work or whenever. And the park along Lake
Michigan is glorious in summer, albeit a bit crowded...

OT, Nancy, but at this moment I am watching an early _Beverly Hillbillies_,
someone has just rung their doorbell and they are wondering where all that
"music" comes from...it's an episode where Granny and Cousin Pearl are
trying to get Sonny Drysdale and Jethrine betrothed...

I've seen these episodes a million times, but in retrospect they are pretty
brilliant. Almost as brilliant as the _Green Acres_ episode with Arnold
Ziffel the Pig wearing a beret whilst Mr. Douglas is getting a call from his
mother in Paris...the Ziffels are listening in on the party line, natch.

[Paris, FRANCE, not Paris, Kentucky...lol...]

Okay, time to get off me butt and get walking on this nice evening, I've
spent the afternoon prepping for some sweet 'n sour pork I'm making for
tomorrow, lol...


--
Best
Greg

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> Dimitri wrote:
>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2008-06-21, sf <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He's caring for his mother... the woman of many appliances.
>>
>>> nb
>>
>> If you don't mind my asking how old is she?
>>
>> We care for my MIL who is 92. She has some problems ergo 5 small
>> meals a day allows her to keep food down.
>>
>> I'll prepare something nice and the boss will say " how hungry are
>> you mom? " If she ever answered other than "A LITTLE:" you'll have
>> to pick me up off the floor.
>>
>> Cooking for old folks can be a real PITA.
>>
>> Thank goodness we/she has company quite often so I can do some
>> cooking.
>
> Bless you for your wonderful care.

Not only blessings, but kids who will do the same for you.

Felice

On Jun 21, 8:36*am, notbob > wrote:
> [snips]. *I want to try
> the bread maker, a vert model. *Any suggestions on prefab mixes? *I'll start
> with a couple of those before trying a home-made recipe.
>
Krusteaz makes prefab bread mixes. My recollection from several years
ago is that the sourdough mix was surprisingly good. -aem

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> l, not -l wrote:
>>
>>> A minimum 30 minute walk, 6 days-a-week has dropped my blood
>>> pressure, my cholesterol and made me smile a little more. YMMV,
>>> but its been good to me.
>>
>> (nodnodnod) When I pick up the walking routine after
>> a break, I wonder why, because it makes me feel so much
>> better.
>
> I love walking, but in Chicago it was almost impossible this past
> winter with all the snow and cold.

That's how I fall out of the routine, a stretch of too hot
or too cold weather.

> I like to walk at least 20 blocks
> per day - a bit over two miles - which is easy to do, just get off of
> the bus a few blocks early on the way from work or whenever. And the
> park along Lake Michigan is glorious in summer, albeit a bit
> crowded...

Nice opportunity. I have to convince myself to get up and
out to walk. Once I get out there, I'm good for the 4 miles
no problem.

> OT, Nancy, but at this moment I am watching an early _Beverly
> Hillbillies_, someone has just rung their doorbell and they are
> wondering where all that "music" comes from...

Next thing you know, someone's a knockin at the door!

>it's an episode where
> Granny and Cousin Pearl are trying to get Sonny Drysdale and Jethrine
> betrothed...
>
> I've seen these episodes a million times, but in retrospect they are
> pretty brilliant. Almost as brilliant as the _Green Acres_ episode
> with Arnold Ziffel the Pig wearing a beret whilst Mr. Douglas is
> getting a call from his mother in Paris...the Ziffels are listening
> in on the party line, natch.

Heh. I don't know why, I don't think I've seen much Green Acres.
I just know a bit of the song ... Greeeen Acres! is the place for me ...

> [Paris, FRANCE, not Paris, Kentucky...lol...]
>
> Okay, time to get off me butt and get walking on this nice evening,
> I've spent the afternoon prepping for some sweet 'n sour pork I'm
> making for tomorrow, lol...

There you go, walk it off first!

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> l, not -l wrote:
>>>
>>>> A minimum 30 minute walk, 6 days-a-week has dropped my blood
>>>> pressure, my cholesterol and made me smile a little more. YMMV,
>>>> but its been good to me.
>>>
>>> (nodnodnod) When I pick up the walking routine after
>>> a break, I wonder why, because it makes me feel so much
>>> better.
>>
>> I love walking, but in Chicago it was almost impossible this past
>> winter with all the snow and cold.
>
> That's how I fall out of the routine, a stretch of too hot
> or too cold weather.
>
>> I like to walk at least 20 blocks
>> per day - a bit over two miles - which is easy to do, just get off of
>> the bus a few blocks early on the way from work or whenever. And the
>> park along Lake Michigan is glorious in summer, albeit a bit
>> crowded...
>
> Nice opportunity. I have to convince myself to get up and
> out to walk. Once I get out there, I'm good for the 4 miles
> no problem.
>
>> OT, Nancy, but at this moment I am watching an early _Beverly
>> Hillbillies_, someone has just rung their doorbell and they are
>> wondering where all that "music" comes from...
>
> Next thing you know, someone's a knockin at the door!
>
>>it's an episode where
>> Granny and Cousin Pearl are trying to get Sonny Drysdale and Jethrine
>> betrothed...
>>
>> I've seen these episodes a million times, but in retrospect they are
>> pretty brilliant. Almost as brilliant as the _Green Acres_ episode
>> with Arnold Ziffel the Pig wearing a beret whilst Mr. Douglas is
>> getting a call from his mother in Paris...the Ziffels are listening
>> in on the party line, natch.
>
> Heh. I don't know why, I don't think I've seen much Green Acres.
> I just know a bit of the song ... Greeeen Acres! is the place for me ...

New York is where I'd rather be...


--
Blinky
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Need a new feed?
http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html

Felice wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dimitri wrote:
>>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 2008-06-21, sf <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> He's caring for his mother... the woman of many appliances.
>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> If you don't mind my asking how old is she?
>>>
>>> We care for my MIL who is 92. She has some problems ergo 5 small
>>> meals a day allows her to keep food down.
>>>
>>> I'll prepare something nice and the boss will say " how hungry are
>>> you mom? " If she ever answered other than "A LITTLE:" you'll have
>>> to pick me up off the floor.
>>>
>>> Cooking for old folks can be a real PITA.
>>>
>>> Thank goodness we/she has company quite often so I can do some
>>> cooking.
>>
>> Bless you for your wonderful care.
>
> Not only blessings, but kids who will do the same for you.

Indeed!

Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> OT, Nancy, but at this moment I am watching an early _Beverly
> Hillbillies_, someone has just rung their doorbell and they are
> wondering where all that "music" comes from...it's an episode where
> Granny and Cousin Pearl are trying to get Sonny Drysdale and Jethrine
> betrothed...
>
> I've seen these episodes a million times, but in retrospect they are
> pretty brilliant. Almost as brilliant as the _Green Acres_ episode
> with Arnold Ziffel the Pig wearing a beret whilst Mr. Douglas is
> getting a call from his mother in Paris...the Ziffels are listening
> in on the party line, natch.
>

We bought the first 3 episodes of Beverly Hillbillies on DVD and they're
hysterical. Nothing like the later episodes. I never liked that show, but
since I married a hillbilly, I can now, sort of, appreciate the series.
LOL.

kili

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:09:04 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote:

>Sky wrote:
>> Dimitri wrote:
>>> "notbob" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 2008-06-21, sf <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> He's caring for his mother... the woman of many appliances.
>>>> nb
>>> If you don't mind my asking how old is she?
>>>
>>> We care for my MIL who is 92. She has some problems ergo 5 small meals a
>>> day allows her to keep food down.
>>>
>>> I'll prepare something nice and the boss will say " how hungry are you mom?
>>> " If she ever answered other than "A LITTLE:" you'll have to pick me up
>>> off the floor.
>>>
>>> Cooking for old folks can be a real PITA.
>>>
>>> Thank goodness we/she has company quite often so I can do some cooking.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Old Scoundrel
>>>
>>> (AKA Dimitri)
>>>
>>
>> One of the problems my late grandmother had was she completely lost her
>> sense of taste. Definitely made eating a chore for her, instead of the
>> pleasure it should've been. Is it rather common for older folks to lose
>> their sense of taste?
>>
>> Sky
>>
>Yes, it is very common for older folk to lose their sense of taste. I
>noticed that as a younker in both my paternal grandmother and paternal
>greatgrandmother. then later my own mother and father started losing
>their sense of taste in their seventies. MIL is soon to be 100 and still
>has her sense of taste so it varies from person to person.
>
>It can't be much fun when everything tastes the same.

you might also look at any medications she may be taking. they can be
responsible for loss or alteration of taste.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:00:09 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> fired up random neurons and synapses to
opine:

>Could be. I haven't had a PB&J in a long time. I never did like jelly
>on a peanut butter sandwich.

The DH's favorite comfort food sammidge is PB & Butter. And I mean
butter, not the take stuff. And the assembly must include cutting the
butter sticks while they're cold into 1/8" slices. Peanut butter must
be Jiff extra crunchy. But he's not fussy. Just ask him :-)
>
>Is this what growing old is? Maybe. My sniffer doesn't work like it
>used to. I think I can still taste stuff okay, though.

I quit smoking in 1991 and ever since then, my sniffer and taster work
better than ever, dammit. (Limoncello in cupboard, working its pretty
heart out. 10 days to go)

--

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

"Some weasel took the cork out of my lunch!"

-- W.C. Fields

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:36:46 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> I want to try
>the bread maker, a vert model. Any suggestions on prefab mixes? I'll start
>with a couple of those before trying a home-made recipe.
>
>nb

When I first got a bread maker I tried a few mixes but soon figured
out is was the same money than a bought loaf. I did try Krusteaz and
it was good. But I soon got a few books and haven't bought a mix in a
dozen years.


http://www.krusteaz.com/brands/krust...machine_mixes/

Lou