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Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan)
Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun, usually heated. Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or part of a long bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never heated. Grinder - basically a sub on which the bread/bun was buttered with butter and/or mayonase half of the fillings on each half of the bun and run face up through the broiler before the salad is added. Obviously always served hot |
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![]() > wrote in message ... > Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan) > > Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun, > usually heated. > > Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or > part of a long > bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never > heated. > > Grinder - basically a sub on which the bread/bun was buttered with butter > and/or > mayonase half of the fillings on each half of the bun and run face up > through the > broiler before the salad is added. Obviously always served hot > > Wow, what a load if misinformation. Hoagies go on a good Italian bread type of roll. Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all that often. The Sub definition is close. |
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Then what is a Grinder ??
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Fred Jones wrote:
> Then what is a Grinder ?? > A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold sliced meats/cheese and is never heated. |
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On Jun 21, 9:43 am, (Fred Jones) wrote:
> Then what is a Grinder ?? Usually, but not exclusively, built on a sliced French roll, slathered with mayo, stacked high with thin slices of chunked ham and provolone cheese. Sliced tomatoes and onions are placed between the cheese and ham. Several splashes of olive oil finish off the "condiments." It's a term found in the US Midwest and several New England states. If you're not working to dislocate your jaw while biting into it, it's not a grinder. The Ranger |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > wrote in message > ... > >>Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or >>part of a long >>bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never >>heated. > > > Wow, what a load if misinformation. Hoagies go on a good Italian bread type > of roll. Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all that often. The Sub > definition is close. I would even dispute the sub definition. Hot meatball subs are a staple in NJ where I'm from. |
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![]() "George" > wrote in message ... > Fred Jones wrote: >> Then what is a Grinder ?? >> > A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold > sliced meats/cheese and is never heated. Here is CT, thousands of grinders are sold every day and never heated or toasted. Made the same way as a hoagie. Only difference is that in Philly the stores could get better rolls to put them on giving "most" hoagies a better rating, IMO. . |
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Edwin Pawlowski > wrote in message
... > "George" > wrote in message > ... >> Fred Jones wrote: >>> Then what is a Grinder ?? >>> >> A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is >> made using cold sliced meats/cheese and is never heated. >> > Here is CT, thousands of grinders are sold every day > and never heated or toasted. Made the same way as > a hoagie. Only difference is that in Philly the stores > could get better rolls to put them on giving "most" > hoagies a better rating, IMO. . Is there a difference in whether it's on an Italian or French roll? The Ranger |
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![]() > wrote in message ... > Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan) > > Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun, > usually heated. > > Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or > part of a long > bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never > heated. > > Grinder - basically a sub on which the bread/bun was buttered with butter > and/or > mayonase half of the fillings on each half of the bun and run face up > through the > broiler before the salad is added. Obviously always served hot Bzzzzt! Wrong! A classic hoagie is capicolla, hard salami, genoa salami, provolone, lettuce , tomato, onion, on a long hard roll with oil, basil, and oregano. Different meats and cheeses can be used, or even tuna salad. Some people like mayo but that's not a real haogie, IMO. Hot dog roll and butter? Where'd you get that? :-/ A grinder is a hoagie that's been toasted in an oven. Here, a sub is the same thing as a hoagie, but we don't really use the term sub here in the Philly area. |
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![]() > wrote in message ... > Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan) > > Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun, > usually heated. > > Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or > part of a long > bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never > heated. > > Grinder - basically a sub on which the bread/bun was buttered with butter > and/or > mayonase half of the fillings on each half of the bun and run face up > through the > broiler before the salad is added. Obviously always served hot Your information source is flawed: -- Old Scoundrel (AKA Dimitri) hero sandwich This huge sandwich goes by many names, depending on where it's made. Among its aliases are submarine, grinder, hoagie and poor boy (or po' boy ). Generally, the hero sandwich consists of a small loaf of Italian or French bread (or a large oblong roll), the bottom half of which is heaped with layers of any of various thinly sliced meats, cheeses, tomatoes, pickles, lettuce, peppers - anything for which the cook is in the mood. © Copyright Barron's Educational Services, Inc. 1995 based on THE FOOD LOVER'S COMPANION, 2nd edition, by Sharon Tyler Herbst. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary Main Entry: 2submarine Function: noun Date: 1703 1: something that functions or operates underwater; specifically : a naval vessel designed to operate underwater 2: a large sandwich on a long split roll with any of a variety of fillings (as meatballs or cold cuts, cheese, lettuce, and tomato) -called also grinder, hero, hoagie, Italian sandwich, po'boy, sub, torpedo |
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![]() "The Ranger" > wrote in message >> Only difference is that in Philly the stores >> could get better rolls to put them on giving "most" >> hoagies a better rating, IMO. . > > Is there a difference in whether it's on an Italian or French roll? > > The Ranger Reality is there is not that much difference in the breads, but in Philly, there are more Italian bakeries than French. |
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On Jun 21, 1:37�pm, RegForte > wrote:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote: > > > wrote in message > .. . > > >>Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or > >>part of a long > >>bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never > >>heated. > > > Wow, what a load if misinformation. �Hoagies go on a good Italian bread type > > of roll. �Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all that often.. �The Sub > > definition is close. > > I would even dispute the sub definition. Hot meatball subs are a staple > in NJ where I'm from. In Brooklyn it's a Hero, could be cold but just as popular are hot heroes; meat-a balles, saw-seege-a, veal-a parm, eggplant (mulonjhon)parm, could be w/peppers or not... always on 'talian bread. In Brooklyn there are only Sicilians and the Jews who protect them in court... all others are illegal aliens. |
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![]() "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > > "George" > wrote in message > ... >> Fred Jones wrote: >>> Then what is a Grinder ?? >>> >> A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold >> sliced meats/cheese and is never heated. > > Here is CT, thousands of grinders are sold every day and never heated or > toasted. Made the same way as a hoagie. Only difference is that in > Philly the stores could get better rolls to put them on giving "most" > hoagies a better rating, IMO. . There's supposed to be something in the local Philly water that gives bread and rolls a certain quality that makes them perfect for hoagies and cheesesteaks - hard crust, chewy inside, great flavor. |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote: > "George" > wrote in message > ... > > Fred Jones wrote: > >> Then what is a Grinder ?? > >> > > A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold > > sliced meats/cheese and is never heated. > > Here is CT, thousands of grinders are sold every day and never heated or > toasted. Made the same way as a hoagie. Only difference is that in Philly > the stores could get better rolls to put them on giving "most" hoagies a > better rating, IMO. . Ed, you are right on! I once spent 6 months in southern Conn. (Groton) and ate grinders almost daily. They were never heated, UNLESS, you got the meatball grinder, but that's another subset. The most popular regular grinder was the Italian Combo: Genoa salame, ham, mortadella, and coppacolla with shredded lettuce, sliced tomato and onion, and seasoned oil on a soft Italian roll. That was mighty fine pizza country also. D.M. -- greatvalleyimages.com |
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On Sat 21 Jun 2008 05:54:02p, Donald Martinich told us...
> In article >, > "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote: > >> "George" > wrote in message >> ... >> > Fred Jones wrote: >> >> Then what is a Grinder ?? >> >> >> > A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using >> > cold sliced meats/cheese and is never heated. >> >> Here is CT, thousands of grinders are sold every day and never heated >> or toasted. Made the same way as a hoagie. Only difference is that in >> Philly the stores could get better rolls to put them on giving "most" >> hoagies a better rating, IMO. . > > Ed, you are right on! I once spent 6 months in southern Conn. (Groton) > and ate grinders almost daily. They were never heated, UNLESS, you got > the meatball grinder, but that's another subset. The most popular > regular grinder was the Italian Combo: Genoa salame, ham, mortadella, > and coppacolla with shredded lettuce, sliced tomato and onion, and > seasoned oil on a soft Italian roll. That was mighty fine pizza country > also. > > D.M. I wish I knew of a really good place to get a decend authentic grinder in Phoenix. I detest anything Subway has to offer, and while I don't mind some of the things Quizno's has, it's not what I want. Real Italian meats and cheeses don't seem to appear in many places here, unless I just don't know where to go. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Saturday, 06(VI)/21(XXI)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Both of his feet are firmly planted in the air. ------------------------------------------- |
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Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
6.120: > unless I just don't > know where to go. > > I've always wanted to tell you where to go...Seriously, there must be a little Italy section in Phenix, deli's, restaurants, etc...there is in every other city. -- The house of the burning beet-Alan |
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![]() "Fred Jones" > wrote in message ... > Then what is a Grinder ?? > A toasted hoagie. -g |
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![]() "dejablues" > wrote in message ... > > "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "George" > wrote in message >> ... >>> Fred Jones wrote: >>>> Then what is a Grinder ?? >>>> >>> A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold >>> sliced meats/cheese and is never heated. >> >> Here is CT, thousands of grinders are sold every day and never heated or >> toasted. Made the same way as a hoagie. Only difference is that in >> Philly the stores could get better rolls to put them on giving "most" >> hoagies a better rating, IMO. . > There's supposed to be something in the local Philly water that gives > bread > and rolls a certain quality that makes them perfect for hoagies and > cheesesteaks - hard crust, chewy inside, great flavor. > > > Amoroso's. Brick oven baked. -ginny |
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On Sat 21 Jun 2008 08:57:52p, hahabogus told us...
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote in > 6.120: > >> unless I just don't >> know where to go. >> >> > > I've always wanted to tell you where to go...Seriously, there must be a > little Italy section in Phenix, deli's, restaurants, etc...there is in > every other city. > Alan, I'm sure if anyone could tell me where to go, it would be you. :-) Seriously, I did find one small Italian deli that had wonderful meats and cheeses and would make various sandwiches. They also had wonderful fresh made mozzarella and ricotta. Unfortunately, where I live now, it's a 65 mile drive to get there. Hardly worth it at current gas prices. Guess I'll have to keep looking. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Saturday, 06(VI)/21(XXI)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- Why are they called 'apartments' when they are all stuck together? ------------------------------------------- |
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![]() "Virginia Tadrzynski" > wrote in message ... > > "dejablues" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> ... >>> >>> "George" > wrote in message >>> ... >>>> Fred Jones wrote: >>>>> Then what is a Grinder ?? >>>>> >>>> A grinder is heated in the oven after prep. A hoagie is made using cold >>>> sliced meats/cheese and is never heated. >>> >>> Here is CT, thousands of grinders are sold every day and never heated or >>> toasted. Made the same way as a hoagie. Only difference is that in >>> Philly the stores could get better rolls to put them on giving "most" >>> hoagies a better rating, IMO. . >> There's supposed to be something in the local Philly water that gives >> bread >> and rolls a certain quality that makes them perfect for hoagies and >> cheesesteaks - hard crust, chewy inside, great flavor. >> >> >> > Amoroso's. Brick oven baked. > -ginny Conshohocken Italian Bakery! |
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"Sheldon" > ha scritto nel messaggio news:3b91375f-eebd-
In Brooklyn there are only Sicilians and the Jews who protect them in court... all others are illegal aliens. How strange, then, that I know a very waspy family with a 4 million dollar home over looking Manhattan from Brooklyn, and not far from them is a black family the husband of which is a composer and conductor. You are such a bigot. |
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:37:40 -0700, RegForte > wrote:
>Edwin Pawlowski wrote: > >> > wrote in message >> ... >> > >>>Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread bun or >>>part of a long >>>bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never >>>heated. > >> >> >> Wow, what a load if misinformation. Hoagies go on a good Italian bread type >> of roll. Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all that often. The Sub >> definition is close. > > >I would even dispute the sub definition. Hot meatball subs are a staple >in NJ where I'm from. when you're talking about purely local terms, it's kind of silly to say 'subs are never heated' or 'hoagies are on italian bread,' unless you preface it with 'in hoagiestan....' your pal, blake |
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:03:43 -0400, George >
wrote: wrote: >> Defimitions: (I'm from Michigan) >> >> Hoagie - Two or more kinds of lunchmeat and cheese on a hotdog bun, usually heated. > > >Sounds like something featured at subway? Real hoagies are made on a >long roll similar to a baguette (crispy crust/soft interior) > ooh, i missed the hotdog bun reference. sounds vile, call it what you may. your pal, blake |
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On Jun 22, 4:27�am, "Giusi" > wrote:
> "Sheldon" > ha scritto nel messaggio news:3b91375f-eebd- > > �In Brooklyn there are only Sicilians and the Jews who protect > them in court... all others are illegal aliens. > > How strange, then, that I know a very waspy family with a 4 million dollar > home over looking Manhattan from Brooklyn, and not far from them is a black > family the husband of which is a composer and conductor. �You are such a > bigot. You don't know Brooklyn or you'd not ever think that... you are such a dumb ****. |
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hahabogus wrote:
>Duh'Whine Boatwright wrote > > �unless I just don't > > know where to go. > > I've always wanted to tell you where to go...Seriously, there must be a > little Italy section in Phenix, deli's, restaurants, etc...there is in > every other city. All one needs is to find a deli that sells Boar's Head. |
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blake murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:37:40 -0700, RegForte > wrote: > >> Edwin Pawlowski wrote: >> >>> > wrote in message >>> ... >>> >> >>>> Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread >>>> bun or part of a long >>>> bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never >>>> heated. >> >>> >>> >>> Wow, what a load if misinformation. Hoagies go on a good Italian >>> bread type of roll. Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all >>> that often. The Sub definition is close. >> >> >> I would even dispute the sub definition. Hot meatball subs are a >> staple in NJ where I'm from. > > when you're talking about purely local terms, it's kind of silly to > say 'subs are never heated' or 'hoagies are on italian bread,' unless > you preface it with 'in hoagiestan....' Especially as 'sub' is short for submarine, so-called because of the shape of the bread. There are hot and cold subs, the ingredients don't make it a sub, the sub bread does. nancy |
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Sheldon wrote:
> hahabogus wrote: >> Duh'Whine Boatwright wrote >>> ?unless I just don't >>> know where to go. >> >> I've always wanted to tell you where to go...Seriously, there must >> be a little Italy section in Phenix, deli's, restaurants, >> etc...there is in every other city. > > All one needs is to find a deli that sells Boar's Head. Boar's Head is strictly East Coast. kili |
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kilikini > wrote in message
om... >> All one needs is to find a deli that sells Boar's Head. > > Boar's Head is strictly East Coast. The three Left Coast grocers I visit regularly selling it out of their deli counters might disagree with you. ![]() The Ranger |
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in
: > blake murphy wrote: >> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:37:40 -0700, RegForte > wrote: >> >>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote: >>> >>>> > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>> >>> >>>>> Sub (Submarine Sandwich) - Pretty much anything on a long bread >>>>> bun or part of a long >>>>> bread loaf always with lettuce and other salad acompaniments, never >>>>> heated. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wow, what a load if misinformation. Hoagies go on a good Italian >>>> bread type of roll. Grinders are sometimes heated, but not all >>>> that often. The Sub definition is close. >>> >>> >>> I would even dispute the sub definition. Hot meatball subs are a >>> staple in NJ where I'm from. >> >> when you're talking about purely local terms, it's kind of silly to >> say 'subs are never heated' or 'hoagies are on italian bread,' unless >> you preface it with 'in hoagiestan....' > > Especially as 'sub' is short for submarine, so-called because > of the shape of the bread. There are hot and cold subs, the > ingredients don't make it a sub, the sub bread does. > > nancy > I believe the hero sandwich was the forerunner of the other sub type sandwich types, even though a hero doesn't have to be made with long skinny torpedo shaped buns. I feel the hero is the elder or grandfather of these styles and can be made from smallish round peasant loaves or largish round buns...way larger than your standard hamburger bun. This is a personal unreasearched gut feeling...so is possibly wrong. I believe somebody with hero sandwich knowledge and french bagette access made food history. Somewhat like being too lazy or rushed to melt the chocolate beforehand when making chocolate cookies led to the much loved toll house chocolate chip cookies. -- The house of the burning beet-Alan |
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The Ranger wrote:
> kilikini > wrote in message > om... > >>> All one needs is to find a deli that sells Boar's Head. >> >> Boar's Head is strictly East Coast. > > The three Left Coast grocers I visit regularly selling it out > of their deli counters might disagree with you. ![]() > > The Ranger Really!?!!? I couldn't find it in California at all or in Hawaii! I was so happy to see it when I moved to Florida. Maybe they just recently started shipping it to the left (which is the *right* coast, IMO) coast? kili |
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On Jun 22, 9:48*am, "kilikini" > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote: > > hahabogus wrote: > >> Duh'Whine Boatwright *wrote > >>> ?unless I just don't > >>> know where to go. > > >> I've always wanted to tell you where to go...Seriously, there must > >> be a little Italy section in Phenix, deli's, restaurants, > >> etc...there is in every other city. > > > All one needs is to find a deli that sells Boar's Head. > > Boar's Head is strictly East Coast. We have Boar's Head in St. Louis. > > kili --Bryan |
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"kilikini" wrote:
> The Ranger wrote: > > kilikini wrote > >> Sheldon writes: > >>> All one needs is to find a deli that sells Boar's Head. > > >> Boar's Head is strictly East Coast. > > > The three Left Coast grocers I visit regularly selling it out > > of their deli counters might disagree with you. ![]() > > > The Ranger > > Really!?!!? �I couldn't find it in California at all or in Hawaii! �I was so > happy to see it when I moved to Florida. �Maybe they just recently started > shipping it to the left (which is the *right* coast, IMO) coast? Boar's Head has been widely available throughout the US for many years now. Isn't Hawaii ALL coast? Anyways, the only cold cut sold at Hawaiian delis is Spam. hehe |
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kilikini > wrote in message
om... [Boars Head Deli Meats Available Nationwide] > Really!?!!? I couldn't find it in California at all or in > Hawaii! I can believe it didn't make it to Hawaii... But every (I've been) deli that sells Saag's also sells Boar's Head. The three I shop also sell non-Columbus sausage varieties. > [..] Maybe they just recently started shipping it to > the left (which is the *right* coast, IMO) coast? I don't *think* so but their website isn't so helpful, either. The Ranger |
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On Sun 22 Jun 2008 07:48:23a, kilikini told us...
> Sheldon wrote: >> hahabogus wrote: >>> Duh'Whine Boatwright wrote >>>> ?unless I just don't know where to go. >>> >>> I've always wanted to tell you where to go...Seriously, there must >>> be a little Italy section in Phenix, deli's, restaurants, etc...there >>> is in every other city. >> >> All one needs is to find a deli that sells Boar's Head. > > Boar's Head is strictly East Coast. > > kili > > I can get Boar's Head deli meats at Fry's in Phoenix. However, I don't think of that as thetype of serious deli meat I'd expect from an Italian deli. -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Sunday, 06(VI)/22(XXII)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- If God dwells within us, I hope He likes enchiladas, because that's what He's getting. ------------------------------------------- |
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kilikini wrote:
> The Ranger wrote: >> kilikini > wrote in message >> om... >> >>>> All one needs is to find a deli that sells Boar's Head. >>> >>> Boar's Head is strictly East Coast. >> >> The three Left Coast grocers I visit regularly selling it out >> of their deli counters might disagree with you. ![]() >> >> The Ranger > > Really!?!!? I couldn't find it in California at all or in Hawaii! I was so > happy to see it when I moved to Florida. Maybe they just recently started > shipping it to the left (which is the *right* coast, IMO) coast? Los Angeles checking in: It's all over the place in Ralph's and How's, the two Totally Mainstream supermarkets I frequent. And it's not new there. -- Blinky Is your ISP dropping Usenet? Need a new feed? http://blinkynet.net/comp/newfeed.html |
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On Jun 22, 12:27�pm, "The Ranger" > wrote:
> kilikini > wrote in message > > om... > [Boars Head Deli Meats Available Nationwide] > > > Really!?!!? �I couldn't find it in California at all or in > > Hawaii! > > I can believe it didn't make it to Hawaii... But every (I've > been) deli that sells Saag's also sells Boar's Head. The three > I shop also sell non-Columbus sausage varieties. > > > [..] Maybe they just recently started shipping it to > > the left (which is the *right* coast, IMO) coast? > > I don't *think* so but their website isn't so helpful, either. It's web site (two words) and there's no comma after helpful. What in particular isn't helpful about the Boar's Head web site, it is very easy to navigate and contains useful information. They have a faq, you can sign up for their newsletter, and they give a toll free phone number for asking questions, what more do you need? |
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![]() "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message > > I can get Boar's Head deli meats at Fry's in Phoenix. However, I don't > think of that as thetype of serious deli meat I'd expect from an Italian > deli. > > -- > Wayne Boatwright When I go to Providence, RI you can get the real deal. Good imported prosciutto, (either coto or crudo), salami from a half dozen different regions, mortadella with pistachios, etc. By comparison, Boar's Head is third rate. Oh, did I mention they also cut it properly? Salami is cut on the bias giving a nice sized slice, very thin. |
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On Sun 22 Jun 2008 11:05:49a, Edwin Pawlowski told us...
> > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >> >> I can get Boar's Head deli meats at Fry's in Phoenix. However, I don't >> think of that as thetype of serious deli meat I'd expect from an >> Italian deli. >> >> -- >> Wayne Boatwright > > > When I go to Providence, RI you can get the real deal. Good imported > prosciutto, (either coto or crudo), salami from a half dozen different > regions, mortadella with pistachios, etc. By comparison, Boar's Head > is third rate. Oh, did I mention they also cut it properly? Salami is > cut on the bias giving a nice sized slice, very thin. > > > I'm jealous! -- Wayne Boatwright ------------------------------------------- Sunday, 06(VI)/22(XXII)/08(MMVIII) ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- If a fly has no wings would you call him a walk? ------------------------------------------- |
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On Jun 22, 8:07 am, "The Ranger" > wrote:
> The three Left Coast grocers I visit regularly selling it out > of their deli counters might disagree with you. ![]() And the South Central states ... I could find it quite easily when I lived there. Boar's Head is very common. --Lin |
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